What is "Salvation"? (w Prof. Khaled Anatolios)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- in this Christmas Special, Sister Vassa interviews Rev. Prof. Khaled Anatolios of the University of Notre Dame about his recently-published book, Deification Through the Cross.
Rev. Prof. Khaled is an old and dear friend of mine from when he lived in Toronto in the 1980's and 90's. It was great to see him. Thanks for having him, Sr. Vassa!
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THANK YOU!
I appreciate the explanation of Jesus' baptism very much because I never understood the purpose. His insight is deeply satisfying and revealing.
Thank you for the blessing Father. Merry Christmas.
A beautiful expression of salvation!
Very informative discussion! Thank you both.
Excellent- thank you for this interview!
Watching the recording and giggling - Little Drummer Boy is one of my top fave Christmas songs... and at the bottom of the rest of my family's list. ^^
I would have been curious to hear more on his take on juridical understandings of salvation, including appeasing the wrath of the Father, but I definitely agree with him on the frustration that the cross is “de emphasized” in some eastern circles. Good talk!
I'm reading his book and he dialogues with J. I. Packer's understanding of Penal Substitution theory of the Atonement. He opines, that the he thrust of this theory is scriptural and this language is in Father's also. His problem is that there is no transformation of the penalty of human sin placed on Christ. In his framing this is enfolded into the love of God through the doxological contrition of Christ on our behalf.
@@scottwatson8659 thank you for that! Very interesting!
@@scottwatson8659 interesting. I should pick this volume up at some point. Certainly the attempt to water down the atonement/the cross in some eastern Christian churches is deeply disturbing
@@TheCopticParabolanos , Yes, F. Anatolios emphasizes that any theology of the " atonement" must take seriously scriptural warrant, be absolutely grounded in the Conciliar tradition of Christological and Trinitarian thought, which he says presupposes deification as the mode and goal of salvation, and must be situated in Christian experience via the Liturgy, from which he gets his understanding of doxological contrition. A great, integrated treatment.
Comedians and public speakers will talk about a tough audience. Some rare public speakers can hit the inner core of people where they're at and then bring them to that joy. It seems that joy is the end result of a journey into acknowledgement of darkness, pain, communion in pain and suffering, tension, catharsis, and then joy. Stories with truth, depth, humor and communal recognition of our connection to each other and the moment of our suffering as humans, can lead to a sense of joy if it touches the heart and breaks down the walls. Stories that touch the heart, take us on our journey of our pain, mixed with humor, can take us to a point of salvation recognition and joy. Not an easy task but worth studying. Mark Twain was a master at some of this and would even joke that he was conducting a preaching event.
Wow Sr Vassa, you threw out many strands there, can he pull them all together?
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Was very disappointed with it sadly. Respectfully asked Sister whether it was her place to espouse US intervention in the affairs of other countries as part of her Lent liturgy series.
Rather than answer intelligently, the comment was withdrawn.
It’s not good when clergy don’t take questions from the lay community seriously & openly, especially when they’re asked with respect & appreciation.
Not the first time hve pulled back from the RO tradition to let them sort out their own politics.
Gratefully there’s lots of sources of sustenance online now & we all need to find our own safe place.
I’m a huge fan of Fr. Anatolios’ work.
I’m guessing his ancestors are of Levantine Catholic origin who immigrated to Egypt? I don’t think he’s an ethnic Copt, as we never give our children the name of the “Sahaba”
Thank you. I believe Orthodoxy can benefit from a type of legal understanding under a Restorative Justice view rather than retributive
Constructive criticism, no offence intended but why put the word salvation in italics in the title?
It isn't in italics.
She avoided your question on a technicality. It's not in italics, of course, it's in quotation marks. And in English usage, that often indicates hesitancy, doubt or skepticism of a word, especially when it is a common word like salvation. So yes, why is that word in quotation marks? Would she do that with "Orthodoxy"?
@@polemeros While the use of quotation marks around a word is used in the manner you suggest- so called "scare quotes"- they can also be employed in the manner I just used them, as a point of emphasis often highlighting the technical use of the word, without any implication of irony or skepticism.
what does this father think of the new mass, im a catholic and i do find the new mass too simple and underwhelming, id love something more poetic and beautiful, i dont think the text or than language is bad, but the way its presented is so plain. these small communities of Greek or traditional Catholics seem to be happy ignoring the rest of the church, they don't seem to care about the state of our mass, they're happy with just seemingly leaving us to our own devices
they feel like little outposts of a different religion, their experience is far from us, he fits in much more with you. i wonder why he's a catholic, what does he like about our church today ? what does he believe that makes him more catholic than orthodox? and why should i be catholic rather than orthodox if this supposedly amazing liturgy isnt what im getting where i am?
is it simply a cynical move, he can play out his orthodoxy in a bigger church with more connections? what makes him more connected to a regular sunday catholic whose worship looks nothing like his, whose theological traditions are nothing like his?
Might I suggest Mother Lois Farag (Coptic nun and patristics scholar) as a potential future guest? Christ is Risen!
Fr. Khaled is a wonderful scholar and a faithful man who has done some amazing work, but Sr. Vassa is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The sound of her voice makes my skin crawl these days.
@Premodern Prejudices, the problem with this kind of a post is that it is without content. It anonymously offers defamatory name calling and the over sharing of a personal medical condition without any assertion, argument or reference to the Truth. It is self indulgent and useful to no one. It is right on about Fr. Khaled though.
@@johnlaodicean7862, I know her personally and have experience with her that would justify my sharing much more than what I said here, which was minuscule by comparison. She’s poison. And I don’t have to qualify that to a stranger, although I will at least provide a warning.
@@premodernprejudices3027 Thx for the warning. However, you have taken the position of posting a public statement, about personal experience that is offered without content or context, and then assert that you need not "qualify that to a stranger". If you don't wish to "qualify to a stranger" don't publicly post. What you offered is simply defamatory. It has no content for Sr. Vassa to respond to, to affirm or deny, and is simply a comment section drive-by. Cui bono?
@@premodernprejudices3027 you sound like a bit of trouble yourself! Who makes accusations like that without some really good evidence? You can keep your warnings to yourself , thank you very much.
@@4kassis look up “the secret subversion of American orthodoxy” on google and watch the documentary. Stop following deceivers. Ugh
it seems to me that the sadness he is mentioning is insurmountable in Christianity. Even after Christ's supreme sacrifice we supposedly remain poor miserable sinners. Seems like a power-game by clergy to me.