I just picked up a mini excavator at auction. Mine is open so maybe your enclosed cab makes it feel more tippy because mine is surprisingly stable. I’ve driven mine down much steeper hills then you have. You just have to keep the bucket out and low to the ground so it can’t tip. Drag it a little if needed. You could have also used that trick to cross the culvert. People load them into trucks without a ramp. They are surprisingly nimble machines. That HF backhoe looks miserable to move around. I love my mini excavator.
No it’s not helpful when someone who doesn’t know what they are doing is the one comparing them. I’ve run those mini excavators and where he stopped and turned around isn’t going to make one tip over.
To keep from tearing up my yard, I ended up using my tractor to relocate my HF Backhoe to the work area. On flat ground and going downhill, the HF Backhoe is fine. I considered buying a mini excavator, but my property is too steep. I purchased the new version of the HF Backhoe for $3050 total delivered to my cabin. So far, I am pleased with its capabilities.
I have been considering 3rd function hydraulic actuating the outriggers on my Harbor Freight backhoe. This could also be done for the Chinese to add outriggers for more stability. The 3rd function valves and the cylinders are the expensive parts. Then some creative metal work which could be mostly bolted. When moving the excavator in sketchy areas... keep the boom downhill (the direction it is most likely to tip) and bucket nearly touching ground.
I'm also adding a pin to stop the Harbor Freight backhoe seat from swiveling, and a seatbelt, because I tend to slide on the seat. Watch your left foot so it doesn't go down beside the swing cylinder. I have a prosthetic left leg, it got in there and crushed the foot.
As for which machine is better. Its what you get comfortable using and what you like. And the big thing is how much you are willing to spend. As for the mini excavator you have to lurn to use the front blade. And the boom and bucket to keep from turning over
You can move the HF with the Mini and as far as the hill is concerned I have climed almost 45 with the boom out. I sold my HF last summer. No need for it when I have the mini. When you get more experience you will like both. They each can be very useful and again experience and patience will improve your skills with each.
It looked more like the hangup with backhoe was the small roller wheel catching the edge of the culvert. But, what I do with mine to prevent any type of interference from the tongue is that I remove the pin and slide the whole tongue out. So, I do not have it attached while I'm using mine. When I'm moving mine around the yard or anywhere that I prefer to tear up the ground as little as possible, I flip the outrigger legs over, so that the flat part of the feet are touching the ground as I crawl around. So, the points of the feet are up instead of digging into the ground. Then, once I'm at my dig location, I easily flip the outrigger legs back over for digging.
I thought it was very interesting. If the mini X had independently osolating tracks, it would feel more stable. Also, the controls seem to be all or nothing, making it harder to operate smoothly. Being trapped in the cab in a tip over would be a concern, too. You've accomplished enough with the backhoe already to become smooth and confident with it. And you've adapted to the idea it's not fast, but sure beats a shovel. I think if I was shopping, the backhoe would win not only for cost savings but for its simplicity. I think it would be more repairable. Finding parts for the excavator might be difficult, and it might require exact replacements that just can't be had. For the backhoe, a trip to Northern Hydraulics or Tractor Suppliy will find something that will make it work.
@@Old-Dog-Max everything you said here is correct. I’ll have to use the mini ex a little longer to get a true comparison, but so far for the money the harbor freight backhoe seems like the winner to me
Just got the HF backhoe. Was able to inch my way up a gnarly cliff here in Idaho that no tractor would have made it without tracks, and anything with tracks would have been too heavy. (*note: engine cuts out when you get about 45 degrees.)
I like this video. Mostly because it gave an up close view of what you have to deal with in the back of the house. I’d be interested to know the fuel consumption differences between the two. For that matter maintenance costs in general.
I have an AGT H15 which may be a tiny bit wider than yours but it's definitely no side hiller but it works great on flat ground and (straight) up and down small hills. It's not as strong as my old tractor mounted backhoe but I got it specifically to be able to move around easy (like rotating around a tree stump while breaking up the roots) which was a pain with the tractor backhoe.
Although your needs for just this specific property may not warrant it, I think a small tractor, like a Kioti CS series, would be an all around work horse with the available attachments. Very stable, mobile and versatile with backhoe, front bucket, mower etc. certainly a higher price point, but a used one might not be out of range. I suspect your driveway up the hill would have taken a quarter to third of the time.
@@DiminutiveMissCabbage that’s my end goal! I’m trying to generate some ad revenue income from these vids then sell both and buy a tractor with a loader backhoe combo
What you need to learn is to build a work pad for the machine with the machine,you have level the work area for these smaller machines. Use to backhoe till you get more use to the mini. Is there no way to get to the back of the house on the hill areato use the excavator to make a flat acces road? Keep up the good work.
By my experience, the danger in the backhoe stability is the control levers. They are too sensitive for their whole speed/strength. If we say that the whole lever scale is -100 to +100 and 0 is the center, then you have like 15-20% movement from center to direction before the hydraulic valve starts reacting, and you have very very narrow movement between very slow and fast, like about 1/4 to 1/2 degree tilting of the lever. It is so sensitive that you enjoy it when you are stable, put your fists close to the lever base supported and you can make very accurate movements. But the danger is that when you come to ANY situation where your body is unstable, and it can tilt one direction, you can end to escalating situation. And that is your machine does small sudden move, your body reacts to it in delay so your hand stays still and it will move the lever wrong direction, then your machine reacts to your hand and it gets faster movement and it repeats. Machine -> body -> machine -> body. So you are easily rocking the lever over the sensitive angle and machine starts to be like a wild horse. And solution to that is simply keep control lever from the base by fist, and support the fist to the base. So your hand can't move by your body. So don't keep from top of the lever, but from the base. And now you have far better control and avoid all escalation effects. It requires more strength as you don't have long lever, but it is safer.
You MUST use your blade for stability when ready to dig. When it was wobbling about putting the blade down would have stabilized it more than you think.
Excavators often have to level out the ground they're going to be sitting on in order to dig without rocking! Once you get used to the excavator you will love it much more than that little backhoe. Excavators have become much more common and favorable on job sites instead of backhoes.
Could you replace the engine of the backhoe to pump the fluid faster? A MUCH more ambitious project, What about using a hydraulic motor to drive the back wheels and use another set of wheels on the outriggers.
Not sure if the shaft would line up but I think the HF 58818 can squeeze onto the same mounting points as the engine I think is on there now (72928). Going from 8 to 16 HP I'm sure would make a tangible difference when it comes to speed. I'm no engineer so I could be way off base on this.
Ones best bet is a heavier excavator I’ve got a 1 ton and 1.5 ton, (they are not actual weights so I’m told) but I can tell you the 1.5 ton is much more stable then the 1 ton. It takes a long time to get the feel of what each excavator can handle. It’s scary at first then you start getting more comfortable, never! Get too comfortable/ over confident you will tip over, always wear seat belt tight regardless even if it feels more dangerous, never! Try to jump off if tipping over ,ride it down. I’ve taken my wobbly 1 ton down very steep but not angled hills , scary as F but it showed no signs of tipping in any direction. But use which digger your most comfortable with, as you did.
The miniX looks scarily top heavy. Is the fear of it tipping over the reason you have the door open? Quick exit? lol. Does your lawnmower have a hitch? If so could you haul the backhoe over closer to where you needed it to speed things up? Just curious...
@@SagebrushRambles I’ve mentioned in a couple videos the brakes on the lawnmower don’t work so i’m not gonna pull a 2,000 lb backhoe with it on my super sloped yard haha. I’d like to get a four wheeler or something at some point to pull it around with
I stopped the video at 15:44 to get a good idea of the slope and situation with the foundation / slab for the current bathroom . Using both of these machines and some creative cement block work , a very nice addition to that side of the house could be amazing ! That hillside slope looks to be about 10 or 12 degrees . Dig back to about the base of the concrete wall behind you - it looks to be about 6 feet ( or more ) . Is the property on the other side of the tangled fence part of your property ? Is that the location for a future garage / workshop ? Using the current bathroom space would make a nice landing leading up the hillside - five or six steps to a new split level addition with a new bath / laundry / master bed room . This hillside property has some great potential - the viewers are behind your projects .
.....also , that concrete culvert can be better landscaped to not be so in-your-face . Is there a plan to try and fill in the old septic tank ? still , a lot of possibilities .
@@urbanurchin5930 yes the uphill side of that fence is the field i’ve shown before. My next project is going to be excavating into that hill to correct the slope next to the house for better drainage. I know thats a big part of the cause of the settling problems. Yeah i definitely plan to add some stairs up there because i dont have a good walkway currently
Here's my question: Can the HF Backhoe be towed by an ATV or Gator? I'm thinking it would be faster to move it around the worksite if you had a small machine that could move it for you? Maybe even that Kubota tractor? Just wondering if an alternative like that would make it more practical for getting it into position to actually dig.
Yep, this is why I didn't buy the "mini". Being in the Blue Ridge mountains my HF Trencher goes everywhere and there is nowhere on my place that a "mini" could go. Well done!
The backhoe definitely looks more stable. Seems like they both have pros and cons. Probably a little bigger excavator has more weight to it that makes it more stable 🤷🏻♂️ looks like the backhoe might get more use for what your doing. Is that true? Good comparison!👍👍
Love what your doing. Please do take this as an offense but this 72 year old man would advise you to get rid of the Chinese Mimi excavator. I'm afraid it's an opportunity just waiting for an accident. Be careful and God bless you 🙏🏻
I own a Chinese excavator, that backhoe isn’t even close to the capabilities. You can’t compare a 2k lbs machine to that thing. I can and have picked up 800lbs of concrete and tracked it across my lot. I’ve dug out stumps and torn down massive bushes and bulldozered clay soil. The backhoe is not better, it is just easier to operate, the excavator will kill you if you push it to far but it’s a super capable machine.
A used tractor with a backhoe, bucket and auger attachment seems more practical. Probably twice the price, but it adds way more dimensions and better mobility. Maybe start by planting a money tree somewhere?🤣
@@gmel4967 I’m hoping to generate enough ad revenue with these from TH-cam that i can take that and then sell both of these and get a kubota tractor with a loader and backhoe
I have both. Mini excavator and sub compact tractor with backhoe. For digging the mini is the better. And can get into places you can't with tractor. The tractor is more for moving material.
That little backhoe is a piece of garbage. It's a paperweight compared to that excavator. Excavators can cross ditches, that little backhoe can't!!! Watch a lot of excavator videos. See what other other operators can do with an excavator that they cannot do with a backhoe. Learn the maneuvering tricks with an excavator.
i have seen so many vids with these cheap ass crappy chinese toys , i cant understand how many people buy that cheap junk . you gonna spend 5-6 grand for that pile of useless steaming crap , spend 10 - 12 grand and buy a decent used mini .
@@Lucygil9 your comment on my harbor freight video said you would have rather bought a chinese mini ex, then on this video you say you’d rather buy a used mini… where does it end?
@@marchingmoto you are right , i did say that . I was choosing the lesser of 2 evils of similar price points . To be real, if the ground work you needed/need to do is limited to really small projects like you have done , you should have just rented a mini for a few days , saved the extra cash and done the job faster/easier . I guess in your case 10 grand may not be a good investment because you dont really need a mini , but i really dont like either of those pieces of equipment to honest . Its all the rage to buy equipment these past few years with everyone and their uncle buying something , but if you dont have a homestead or a business use for it , it is just a money sink . No disrespect meant towards you at all , i really like your vids and work ethic .
I just picked up a mini excavator at auction. Mine is open so maybe your enclosed cab makes it feel more tippy because mine is surprisingly stable. I’ve driven mine down much steeper hills then you have. You just have to keep the bucket out and low to the ground so it can’t tip. Drag it a little if needed. You could have also used that trick to cross the culvert. People load them into trucks without a ramp. They are surprisingly nimble machines. That HF backhoe looks miserable to move around. I love my mini excavator.
I think these are such good videos for anyone in the market. I can see where they’d be helpful. 🍁🌻🍂😊
Hi Dalton, doing comparison is helpful to anyone looking what to buy. Very helpful
No it’s not helpful when someone who doesn’t know what they are doing is the one comparing them. I’ve run those mini excavators and where he stopped and turned around isn’t going to make one tip over.
Well.. that answers that. I’m saving up for a bigger machine lol. Those two are too sketch or too slow for my needs and patience 😂
To keep from tearing up my yard, I ended up using my tractor to relocate my HF Backhoe to the work area. On flat ground and going downhill, the HF Backhoe is fine. I considered buying a mini excavator, but my property is too steep. I purchased the new version of the HF Backhoe for $3050 total delivered to my cabin. So far, I am pleased with its capabilities.
I have the Jensen towable and this is valuable info.thanks
It looked like trying to ride a pray mantis! You are brave to do all that. For me it’s scary enough to watch it.🤣🤣 Love from France❤
I have been considering 3rd function hydraulic actuating the outriggers on my Harbor Freight backhoe. This could also be done for the Chinese to add outriggers for more stability. The 3rd function valves and the cylinders are the expensive parts. Then some creative metal work which could be mostly bolted.
When moving the excavator in sketchy areas... keep the boom downhill (the direction it is most likely to tip) and bucket nearly touching ground.
I'm also adding a pin to stop the Harbor Freight backhoe seat from swiveling, and a seatbelt, because I tend to slide on the seat.
Watch your left foot so it doesn't go down beside the swing cylinder. I have a prosthetic left leg, it got in there and crushed the foot.
As for which machine is better. Its what you get comfortable using and what you like. And the big thing is how much you are willing to spend.
As for the mini excavator you have to lurn to use the front blade. And the boom and bucket to keep from turning over
I didn't think there was anything slower than the Chinese mini excavators until I watched you crab walk that back hoe across the lawn! :D
Oh yeah it’s very slow lol
You can move the HF with the Mini and as far as the hill is concerned I have climed almost 45 with the boom out. I sold my HF last summer. No need for it when I have the mini. When you get more experience you will like both. They each can be very useful and again experience and patience will improve your skills with each.
It looked more like the hangup with backhoe was the small roller wheel catching the edge of the culvert. But, what I do with mine to prevent any type of interference from the tongue is that I remove the pin and slide the whole tongue out. So, I do not have it attached while I'm using mine.
When I'm moving mine around the yard or anywhere that I prefer to tear up the ground as little as possible, I flip the outrigger legs over, so that the flat part of the feet are touching the ground as I crawl around. So, the points of the feet are up instead of digging into the ground. Then, once I'm at my dig location, I easily flip the outrigger legs back over for digging.
I thought it was very interesting. If the mini X had independently osolating tracks, it would feel more stable. Also, the controls seem to be all or nothing, making it harder to operate smoothly. Being trapped in the cab in a tip over would be a concern, too. You've accomplished enough with the backhoe already to become smooth and confident with it. And you've adapted to the idea it's not fast, but sure beats a shovel. I think if I was shopping, the backhoe would win not only for cost savings but for its simplicity. I think it would be more repairable. Finding parts for the excavator might be difficult, and it might require exact replacements that just can't be had. For the backhoe, a trip to Northern Hydraulics or Tractor Suppliy will find something that will make it work.
@@Old-Dog-Max everything you said here is correct. I’ll have to use the mini ex a little longer to get a true comparison, but so far for the money the harbor freight backhoe seems like the winner to me
Just got the HF backhoe. Was able to inch my way up a gnarly cliff here in Idaho that no tractor would have made it without tracks, and anything with tracks would have been too heavy.
(*note: engine cuts out when you get about 45 degrees.)
I like this video. Mostly because it gave an up close view of what you have to deal with in the back of the house. I’d be interested to know the fuel consumption differences between the two. For that matter maintenance costs in general.
I have an AGT H15 which may be a tiny bit wider than yours but it's definitely no side hiller but it works great on flat ground and (straight) up and down small hills. It's not as strong as my old tractor mounted backhoe but I got it specifically to be able to move around easy (like rotating around a tree stump while breaking up the roots) which was a pain with the tractor backhoe.
Good comparison, I always worry about the safety of these sizes.
Yes that absolutely showed what was safer ! Each 1 has it's usefulness 's
Although your needs for just this specific property may not warrant it, I think a small tractor, like a Kioti CS series, would be an all around work horse with the available attachments. Very stable, mobile and versatile with backhoe, front bucket, mower etc. certainly a higher price point, but a used one might not be out of range. I suspect your driveway up the hill would have taken a quarter to third of the time.
@@DiminutiveMissCabbage that’s my end goal! I’m trying to generate some ad revenue income from these vids then sell both and buy a tractor with a loader backhoe combo
@@marchingmoto Great minds think alike!
What you need to learn is to build a work pad for the machine with the machine,you have level the work area for these smaller machines. Use to backhoe till you get more use to the mini. Is there no way to get to the back of the house on the hill areato use the excavator to make a flat acces road? Keep up the good work.
By my experience, the danger in the backhoe stability is the control levers. They are too sensitive for their whole speed/strength. If we say that the whole lever scale is -100 to +100 and 0 is the center, then you have like 15-20% movement from center to direction before the hydraulic valve starts reacting, and you have very very narrow movement between very slow and fast, like about 1/4 to 1/2 degree tilting of the lever.
It is so sensitive that you enjoy it when you are stable, put your fists close to the lever base supported and you can make very accurate movements.
But the danger is that when you come to ANY situation where your body is unstable, and it can tilt one direction, you can end to escalating situation.
And that is your machine does small sudden move, your body reacts to it in delay so your hand stays still and it will move the lever wrong direction, then your machine reacts to your hand and it gets faster movement and it repeats. Machine -> body -> machine -> body. So you are easily rocking the lever over the sensitive angle and machine starts to be like a wild horse.
And solution to that is simply keep control lever from the base by fist, and support the fist to the base. So your hand can't move by your body. So don't keep from top of the lever, but from the base. And now you have far better control and avoid all escalation effects. It requires more strength as you don't have long lever, but it is safer.
Yes I’ve noticed this a lot when I’ve tried to use it. The speed makes the controls really dangerous
You MUST use your blade for stability when ready to dig. When it was wobbling about putting the blade down would have stabilized it more than you think.
Excavators often have to level out the ground they're going to be sitting on in order to dig without rocking!
Once you get used to the excavator you will love it much more than that little backhoe.
Excavators have become much more common and favorable on job sites instead of backhoes.
Inch worm. Inch worm. Great job working with what you have.
Good afternoon Ms. Safety. Please please put cover over the septic tank hole with plywood/sheet of metal. Put a temporary fence around it.
Haha one of my first projects after the bathroom is going to be filling that tank in
Looking good our buttons are bursting off
I want one so bad i can't hardly stand it, mini
Could you replace the engine of the backhoe to pump the fluid faster? A MUCH more ambitious project, What about using a hydraulic motor to drive the back wheels and use another set of wheels on the outriggers.
Not sure if the shaft would line up but I think the HF 58818 can squeeze onto the same mounting points as the engine I think is on there now (72928). Going from 8 to 16 HP I'm sure would make a tangible difference when it comes to speed. I'm no engineer so I could be way off base on this.
Ones best bet is a heavier excavator I’ve got a 1 ton and 1.5 ton, (they are not actual weights so I’m told) but I can tell you the 1.5 ton is much more stable then the 1 ton. It takes a long time to get the feel of what each excavator can handle. It’s scary at first then you start getting more comfortable, never! Get too comfortable/ over confident you will tip over, always wear seat belt tight regardless even if it feels more dangerous, never! Try to jump off if tipping over ,ride it down. I’ve taken my wobbly 1 ton down very steep but not angled hills , scary as F but it showed no signs of tipping in any direction. But use which digger your most comfortable with, as you did.
The miniX looks scarily top heavy. Is the fear of it tipping over the reason you have the door open? Quick exit? lol. Does your lawnmower have a hitch? If so could you haul the backhoe over closer to where you needed it to speed things up? Just curious...
@@SagebrushRambles yeah. It doesn’t have a seatbelt so nothing will keep you out of the way of the rollbar if it turned over and the glass broke
@@SagebrushRambles I’ve mentioned in a couple videos the brakes on the lawnmower don’t work so i’m not gonna pull a 2,000 lb backhoe with it on my super sloped yard haha. I’d like to get a four wheeler or something at some point to pull it around with
@@marchingmoto I must have missed the brake issue or I have alztimers lol. I wouldn't haul it either!
@@SagebrushRambles haha yeah i just keep it in a low gear when i mow so it doesn’t get going too fast. Cheap facebook marketplace purchase
I stopped the video at 15:44 to get a good idea of the slope and situation with the foundation / slab for the current bathroom . Using both of these machines and some creative cement
block work , a very nice addition to that side of the house could be amazing ! That hillside slope looks to be about 10 or 12 degrees . Dig back to about the base of the concrete wall
behind you - it looks to be about 6 feet ( or more ) . Is the property on the other side of the tangled fence part of your property ? Is that the location for a future garage / workshop ?
Using the current bathroom space would make a nice landing leading up the hillside - five or six steps to a new split level addition with a new bath / laundry / master bed room . This
hillside property has some great potential - the viewers are behind your projects .
.....also , that concrete culvert can be better landscaped to not be so in-your-face . Is there a plan to try and fill in the old septic tank ?
still , a lot of possibilities .
@@urbanurchin5930 yes the uphill side of that fence is the field i’ve shown before. My next project is going to be excavating into that hill to correct the slope next to the house for better drainage. I know thats a big part of the cause of the settling problems. Yeah i definitely plan to add some stairs up there because i dont have a good walkway currently
Here's my question: Can the HF Backhoe be towed by an ATV or Gator? I'm thinking it would be faster to move it around the worksite if you had a small machine that could move it for you? Maybe even that Kubota tractor? Just wondering if an alternative like that would make it more practical for getting it into position to actually dig.
@@gfaithowens1790 yes it could. I’m going to get either a riding lawn mower with working brakes or an atv for it eventually
Yep, this is why I didn't buy the "mini". Being in the Blue Ridge mountains my HF Trencher goes everywhere and there is nowhere on my place that a "mini" could go. Well done!
The backhoe definitely looks more stable. Seems like they both have pros and cons. Probably a little bigger excavator has more weight to it that makes it more stable 🤷🏻♂️ looks like the backhoe might get more use for what your doing. Is that true? Good comparison!👍👍
@@Larry-325 depends on the task i guess! Like you said they’re just different pieces of equipment and better at some tasks than others
That thing looks like an elephant trying to ride a chihuahua 😂😱
I know if I paid more for a used mini Kubota ... I would never regret it.
@@percival23 working my way there
Love what your doing. Please do take this as an offense but this 72 year old man would advise you to get rid of the Chinese Mimi excavator. I'm afraid it's an opportunity just waiting for an accident. Be careful and God bless you 🙏🏻
Please DO NOT take this as an offense
@@kevinjohnson3012 haha yeah don’t worry i think you’re right. If feels like an accident waiting to happen as well
You look so big inside that excavator. I wonder where the excavator is intended to be used.
How about speed of digging a hole? One of them should be faster than the other.
I own a Chinese excavator, that backhoe isn’t even close to the capabilities. You can’t compare a 2k lbs machine to that thing. I can and have picked up 800lbs of concrete and tracked it across my lot. I’ve dug out stumps and torn down massive bushes and bulldozered clay soil. The backhoe is not better, it is just easier to operate, the excavator will kill you if you push it to far but it’s a super capable machine.
A used tractor with a backhoe, bucket and auger attachment seems more practical.
Probably twice the price, but it adds way more dimensions and better mobility.
Maybe start by planting a money tree somewhere?🤣
@@gmel4967 I’m hoping to generate enough ad revenue with these from TH-cam that i can take that and then sell both of these and get a kubota tractor with a loader and backhoe
Ill keep watching and liking your videos to help! Your work ethic is so good.
@@sabrinastroud9776 it helps a lot! Thank you!
I have both. Mini excavator and sub compact tractor with backhoe. For digging the mini is the better. And can get into places you can't with tractor. The tractor is more for moving material.
Terrifying to watch! You have nerves of steel!
That little backhoe is a piece of garbage. It's a paperweight compared to that excavator.
Excavators can cross ditches, that little backhoe can't!!!
Watch a lot of excavator videos. See what other other operators can do with an excavator that they cannot do with a backhoe.
Learn the maneuvering tricks with an excavator.
i have seen so many vids with these cheap ass crappy chinese toys , i cant understand how many people buy that cheap junk . you gonna spend 5-6 grand for that pile of useless steaming crap , spend 10 - 12 grand and buy a decent used mini .
Not everyone has 10-12k laying around.
I can see where it could get in small places though, between trees or buildings, where big equipment couldn’t go.
@@Lucygil9 your comment on my harbor freight video said you would have rather bought a chinese mini ex, then on this video you say you’d rather buy a used mini… where does it end?
@@marchingmoto you are right , i did say that . I was choosing the lesser of 2 evils of similar price points . To be real, if the ground work you needed/need to do is limited to really small projects like you have done , you should have just rented a mini for a few days , saved the extra cash and done the job faster/easier . I guess in your case 10 grand may not be a good investment because you dont really need a mini , but i really dont like either of those pieces of equipment to honest . Its all the rage to buy equipment these past few years with everyone and their uncle buying something , but if you dont have a homestead or a business use for it , it is just a money sink . No disrespect meant towards you at all , i really like your vids and work ethic .