Equipped bench is such a weird thing compared to squat suits and deadlift suits. Bench is the only one where you put on the shirt and it just a totally different lift in every way
Ive tried single ply in all 3 lifts. Bench-shirts is the hardest to master. When I was competing international I was using a friends benchshirt once, I was 75kg, he was 100kg. Same height. Other then that ive only used an EHPHD shirt, added around 20kg to my bench.
@@Asiansxsymbol absolutely nothing like that at all, you're absurdly confused. Benching shirts are not stretchy at all. There are some unlimited fed shirts that are literally just a slingshot like insert, but there is absolutely nothing slingshot like about a katana bench shirt
@@KaokashinPlays you say they're not stretchy at all....what do you think is happening to the shirt on the descent? Is it tearing or is it stretching? Youre absurdly confused 😆
i remember dave tate talking about snapping their triceps or even breaking forearms with equiped bench, because how heavy the overload is at lockout...crazy stuff
Even if equipped isn't your cup of tea you need to respect Tiny Meeker , the man is absolutely insane when it comes to anything lifting . He's been competing since his 20's and still going strong . You can see just how strong he is in a lot of the assistance movements that he posts or older videos .
Yeah, no. I’m sure he’s a nice guy but I can’t respect a form of lifting where you wear assistance suits that increase your pressing power and where you move the barbell 4 inches down and 4 inches up.
@@joys8634 It doesn't magically repair joints and grow new cartilage, though. As I get older, I'm limited more by joint damage, RSI and injuries than by muscles and testosterone (although those do have noticeable decreases as well)
@@matthewjefferys1855 Not sure what studies they are, but cartilage erodes over time and age. If there is any "thickening" it's not going to be enough to offset the natural degradation of the cartilage. Cartilage does not have its own blood supply, so once damaged, it is unable to heal itself or regenerate, which is the cause of the erosion over time, which causes arthritis and other joint-related issues.
Tiny meekers bench just happened. The record he took was jimmy Kolb’s which isn’t comparable because jimmy benched 1,120 in a SINGLE ply poly shirt and tinys bench was 1,125 in a 4ply rubber band shirt which is unlimited division NOT multiply
@@kennethmoore-cq7bj he’s been known for a horrible lockout his whole career. Look up his 1,102 bench which he actually did in a multiply poly shirt. But it’s no where close to locked out.
Wrist wraps shouldn't even be counted as "not too much". My wrists literally explode when I press 50lbs dumbbells for warmup without wraps while I can bench 290lbs on the barbell with wraps. I legit have my 60yo mom's frail girly wrists.
@@marsh00n135 I'm born with wristbones that aren't packed tightly enough. Can't do nothing about skeletal deficiencies. My grip strength is plenty fine, so musculature and tendons are ok. It's just the skeletal structure is busted. It's also not an injury waiting to happen. I know they would explode pressing 50lbs dumbbells because I did injure my wrists like that a couple years ago 😅
@@littlethuggie wrist wraps have 0 effect on bench strength. They're protective gear. Belts are also protective and don't really generate force, but you could argue that easier bracing gives your CNS more breathing room to focus on generating force. Knee wraps/sleeves are a bit dodgy though.
@@JosephQPublic you have to get used to it and train with it, but none of the guys benching 500kg with that thing is as strong as julius, and is nowhere near his bench
@@dennisruud825 Completely false. Look at elite equipped lifter's raw and equipped lifts - they still have exceptional raw strength. To say 'none of the guys benching 500kg with that thing....' is ridiculous. Nowhere near? Don't be foolish.
@@topemeister3000 im saying in the realm of bench world records they are relatively far away from a 355kg bench. Ofc they are incredibly strong and many are over 300kg bench, but none are 340kg plus
I like the 1970's powerlifting - a singlet and a belt and maybe weightlifting shoes (or not), pure unadulterated strength. Doug Young, Larry Pacifico, Lamar Gant, Jim Williams, John Cole, Doug Reinhoudt, too many too count.
To support 1100 pounds on your bones equipped or not Is absolutely insane !! But you'd be surprised how much less he could bench raw , I'm guessing somewhere I the 600's maybe. Because equipped lifting is a skill of its own and its so much different mastering it takes dedication and time and raw lifting is so much different. Same with Julius Maddox he probably couldn't even do 950 equipped because he doesn't practice it
The equipped bench didn't look good. He didn't appear to lockout before bringing the weight to the supports. There is supposed to be a very short pause.
Most of the hate is brought on by equipped lifters themselves. I know plenty who act like they are the shit and way stronger then they are because of their equipment. I myself think equipped lifting is great and makes plenty of sense. Using all the gear (equipment) under the sun to lift as much weight as possible is certainly a cool concept. It’s just the people who act like it’s comparable to raw lifting and more impressive bring a lot of hate to it. I myself compete classic raw
It's not even that I dont like raw, that's how I primarily train It's just to me seeing completely geared out monsters lift inhuman weights is so fucking cool.
just look the form of most fo the equipped lift and you'll understand why it's hated, it need to die and let place to raw only, just a recall equipped is the reason everybody out of the powerlifting community is making fun of this sport
I don't understand equipped bench. What's stopping you from using a spring-like suit that pushes upwards with a force of 2000 pounds, then loading up 2050 pound and essentially doing a 50 bound bench press? It looks like a category that will keep increasing as our technology gets better.
because your body is still the thing supporting all of that weight. you cant throw the shirt on the bench and have it lift 2000 pounds. a person has to be in that shirt and they have to use all of their muscles to keep that weight in control. Tiny can still raw bench more than most people can deadlift.
The technique used in equipped lifting and raw are so fundamentally different that the skill doesnt really even translate between the two. Especially a specialist like these two, Julius might be able to bench more raw than he can with a shirt, assuming he's never done it before.
Doesn't even make sense how you'd get that conclusion that it's even remotely possible he'd bench less with a shirt. Slap a slingshot on and he has at least AT THW VERY MILDEST 30lbs more
Very odd conclusion. It's like you almost got the point and then just abandoned it. If Julius spent the time to hone his technique with a bench shirt, he would be able to life more than his raw personal record. That's just a fact.
@@topemeister3000 what? Yes ofc he would? Anyone would? I said its not transferable, as in the raw recordholder wont be able to slap on a shirt and even get close to the equipped record just because he is the raw WRH, and vise versa, because the lifts are fundamentally different. if he honed his skill and got good at it, he would be good at it.....that goes without saying. I even specified: Assuming he's never done it before, as in not honed his skill.
@@immasurvivor No. You didn't say that at all. You only said that it's not transferable. Your actual explanation didn't come until just now, so I don't really understand your surprise. What's the point in saying that somebody who has never practiced a movement could not beat the world record in said movement? Is that news? That's the thing, you're saying things like 'slap on a shirt' - implying that somebody who had never used one would just put one on, throw the world record weight on the bar, and have a go. Obviously that wouldn't work would it? That goes without saying. It's like saying to somebody who has only ever lifted conventional to go and pull sumo and beat the world record. No shit they couldn't do it.
@@longitudinalwelle8374 The guys a bullshit artist and a clown and always with the sycophants trailing behind. At the time of that video that was 30 pounds more then the all time record. So why didn't he compete?Because there wasn't even 600 pounds on that bar!
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even with a suit i cant imagine that much stress on your hands and wrist / joints etc. that is seriously some soul crushing fucking weight. humans r just insane
Equiped bench ist a dad sport with dad rock in the background and people drinking beer after the lift. The older you get, the more shirts you wear to keep the numbers up.
I feel like many people get the impression that just putting on a bench shirt instantly raises your bench max by 100 kg. If you took someone who never benched in a shirt before and just stuffed them in a shirt and had them bench, they would either fail and have to dump the bar on their neck/pelvis. It takes weeks to months of pressing to boards before you could even get a touch. I love this analogy; raw bench is to equipped bench as high jump is to pole vault. Just as you couldn't give a high jumper a pole and have them immediately vaulting, it takes time to get used to a shirt. Yes the shirt is doing much of the work, but needing to re-learn how to brace properly, how to pull the bar down, and the proper bar path takes time. I wish people would learn to respect raw and equipped lifting equally, as is done for high jump and pole vault.
The only problem I have with "equipped" benchers is when responding to "How much can you bench?" they always respond with what they can when equipped, while not saying that is when equipped, and also then not saying what they can do raw. 99% of the time the person asking the question is assuming that is what they can bench wearing a tee-shirt. They never say what they can bench un-equipped. 99.9% people don't care what you bench wearing the silly-suit. The want to know what you as a regular person going to a gym can bench.
how u can argue u can bench press a certain weight and then explain you used a suit, wrist straps and a belt is nuts its like no u didnt lift that weight half of is was of all the shit you used
what is even the point of equipped lifting lmao i don't get it, its just being able to lift hundreds of pounds more because of a product and not actually your strength, like who finds that interesting or cool?
I know some people are gonna be butthurt by this comment but i really don't care, it's the truth, keep your ego's in check and actually lift what you're capable of without the aid of equipment.
"Hundred of pounds more because of some product and not your strength" thst is true but you could say exactly the same about steroids, however no one criticizes that anymore
I don't really care for equipped lifting, but I think it is interesting to fans in the same way that motorsports are to some people. People on motorcycles or racecars aren't using their own speed, but instead they're operating these devices with skill at an elite level to out pace their competition and that can be fascinating to watch. Same thing here.
One competition I had at regionals..guy benched 600+ equipped..he told me he could only bench 405 raw..he also used single ply..I wonder how much a multi-ply set up could add on a good bencher
It varies person to person. In traditional style shirts 300-350 lbs. In these new rubber band shirts, God knows. They're new enough that guys haven't even scratched the surface of potential, IMO
What is it with this hateful herd mentality towards equipped lifting? Just let them do their thing, no need to regurgitate your hate at another community. No matter how you twist or turn it, what they do is very impressive
As someone said, it's completely different exercise, something like running and motorsports or high jump and pole vault. So saying it's cheating is stupid. But if someone does equipped lifting and claims it to be raw then he's an idiot.
@@luishernandez8121 I wouldn't say they're completely different exercises, I would say they're different classes of the same exercise, similar to weight classes. If you're competing in a 100kg weight class for example, it's completely moronic to claim that people in the SHW class are cheating because they're allowed to be bigger, and to me it's just as stupid to call equipped lifters cheaters because they're allowed to wear gear
@@branominal yeah not exactly completely different but I've seen many videos of normal gym bros trying to do equipped bench press and they failed miserably
Equipped bench shouldn't even be in the category of sports/fitness. It's in the tech field. A man bench pressing more than Eddie Hall and Hafthor can deadlift is proof that it's not about human power.
It sure is about human power - just not only power. It's very technical. It's like comparing go-cart til Formula 1. You go a lot faster, you have much more power, but you need insane skill to master it.
Equipped lifting is so dumb. Imagine you had it in other sports like long jump but just before you jump, you catapult yourself off a trampoline instead. There's a reason it doesn't exist in any other sport...
Nobody cares about dat, like everybody is stupid or something. I dont know why strongman do this bullshit. Everybody ia talking about 501 dead, but it was equiped too, so it does not count... its just stupid as hell, like you said.
The ratio seems to be around 2:3.... AKA, if I can push 300 raw, then with some training, 450 equipped; some more anecdote; the only equipped bench contest I ever saw, the winner did 675; and he warmed up by popping up a quick double w/405 raw...
whatever the people say, when you bench 510kg you are not a shrimp!!! whatever the figures of the shirt helping or not, even cut 100kg it is insane...that would still be a 410kg...just nuts! these guys are strong!
For an elite level lifter a bench shirt can add 45kg+ to their bench. Then the slingshot they use adds 15-25% (maddog level 4) (according to Mark Bell who invented it) The more weight you can bench the more it helps. For absolutely top tier he said it's 25% more. So if we take the 355 RAW and add the basic minimum for elite lifters for the shirt thats 45kg more so 355+45=400x0.25=500. Now taking into account skill level bench shirt can be more effective. Without the slingshot and bench shirt your body needs to handle all the controlling and stabilizing for the weight. Stability control makes a massive difference. (If you don't believe me take whatever your max weight is divide that by 4 and put that much weight dangling from a barbell via a chain or something and see for yourself how much the increased movement effects your bench. Equipped benchers at the top are very strong obviously or they wouldn't be there. But it's unrealistic to think they can bench more RAW than the RAW bench press record. I would say that the equipped bench press world record holders RAW bench is probably somewhere between 280-310KG. (Don't take what I'm saying as law or holy writ, I am just voicing my opinion based on what we know about the equipment used and how the body works.)
The truth is its just a hell of alot more fun equipment benching than raw..Most people don't understand benching in a shirt adds to your raw bench&its a rush for me easily push into the 700s+ while doing 500 raw..This "debate"between the 2 does nothing but hurt our sport
Equipped lifting is very niche as well. I'd say that 95% of powerlifters are raw lifters these days, meaning that the pool of competitors for equipped lifting is low.
As of this post, 4/02/2023, there's an unofficial, but well-credentialed 804 lb raw BP, & an official 1129 suited record, a 325 lb difference, but it's two different men, so it doesn't equate to a 325 lb advantage. It actually indicates a much HIGHER difference; it's unlikely that the suited record-holder can press even 700 raw. Granted the skills are different, but proper rehearsal raw is considered in my estimate. nonetheless, let's give him the 700; thus a 429 lb suit advantage; well over 50%. If you didn't put at least 300 lbs on the bar, the spotters probably wouldn't be able to force it down to the lifters chest, & if less than 400, it'd pop back up on it's own. What nonsense.
Equipped lifting is just a joke and these people are deservedly ridiculed by most people. Having said that I would be curious whether Julius could do a higher % of Tiny's record equipped, or Tiny could do a higher % of Julius record raw.
There isn't a equipped lifter on the planet for bench press that can come close to the raw record. Period. The bench shirts can give 5-6 hundred pounds of assistance. An anyone that thinks they can't is simply wrong. I wore a single ply shirt from 2005 an i personally got 100-150 lbs out if it an i am not a good bencher to begin with. Back then the best shirts with the best pressers of the time were giving them 350-400+ lbs of assistance for some an others maybe 250-300 lbs. Either way simply put the shirts got better. Thats it.
Equipped bench is such a weird thing compared to squat suits and deadlift suits. Bench is the only one where you put on the shirt and it just a totally different lift in every way
Ive tried single ply in all 3 lifts. Bench-shirts is the hardest to master. When I was competing international I was using a friends benchshirt once, I was 75kg, he was 100kg. Same height. Other then that ive only used an EHPHD shirt, added around 20kg to my bench.
There's nothing weird about it. Bench shirts have sleeves that are like sling shots (or rubber bands) that catapult the arms up.
@@Asiansxsymbol depends on the shirt. I couldn't deal with katana at all! Kept flipping!
@@Asiansxsymbol absolutely nothing like that at all, you're absurdly confused. Benching shirts are not stretchy at all. There are some unlimited fed shirts that are literally just a slingshot like insert, but there is absolutely nothing slingshot like about a katana bench shirt
@@KaokashinPlays you say they're not stretchy at all....what do you think is happening to the shirt on the descent? Is it tearing or is it stretching? Youre absurdly confused 😆
i remember dave tate talking about snapping their triceps or even breaking forearms with equiped bench, because how heavy the overload is at lockout...crazy stuff
yea its crazy to think human bones can withstand holding 1100 lbs of force
Even if it's equipped, just imagine to be able to bench press the world record deadlift lol
The equipped bench press wr is 510 kg, the deadlift wr is 500 kg
@@davdaboss that’s literally what he said…
It’s actually 501kg
@@davdaboss deadlift WR is 502.5kg
@@f4llenhite955 no it’s not official since it wasn’t in a competition, it was just in training. Wr is 501kg
Imagine just being able to hold 1000+ pounds like that. Jesus that is out of this world.
I'm gonna need some wrist wraps made of adamantium lol
@@yatzyac 🤣🤣
Exactly 😂, I have trouble picking up the dumbbells for dumbbell bench press
Unfathomable strength
Even if equipped isn't your cup of tea you need to respect Tiny Meeker , the man is absolutely insane when it comes to anything lifting . He's been competing since his 20's and still going strong . You can see just how strong he is in a lot of the assistance movements that he posts or older videos .
Ok but how much he bench (raw that is)?
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Its hard to respect something that looks so incredibly stupid. Im sure Tiny is a nice person, idk, but he lifts like a douche.
I don't "need" to respect shit
Yeah, no. I’m sure he’s a nice guy but I can’t respect a form of lifting where you wear assistance suits that increase your pressing power and where you move the barbell 4 inches down and 4 inches up.
The equipped bench is one of the craziests lifts to hold a record in
It's a cheat lift might as well just have ur friend lift it with ya
@@circuitrex go do it then.
Not only Maddox was raw, look at the range of motion, incredible
As someone approaching 50, that lift, even with a suit is pretty darn amazing.
juice negates strength loss even at 60
@@joys8634 It doesn't magically repair joints and grow new cartilage, though. As I get older, I'm limited more by joint damage, RSI and injuries than by muscles and testosterone (although those do have noticeable decreases as well)
@@mayssm Studies show joint cartilage thickens with appropriate loading stressors
@@matthewjefferys1855 Not sure what studies they are, but cartilage erodes over time and age. If there is any "thickening" it's not going to be enough to offset the natural degradation of the cartilage. Cartilage does not have its own blood supply, so once damaged, it is unable to heal itself or regenerate, which is the cause of the erosion over time, which causes arthritis and other joint-related issues.
I wonder if big benchers move into equipped bench as they grow older to save on the joints etc.
Tiny meekers bench just happened. The record he took was jimmy Kolb’s which isn’t comparable because jimmy benched 1,120 in a SINGLE ply poly shirt and tinys bench was 1,125 in a 4ply rubber band shirt which is unlimited division NOT multiply
1,120 in single ply is just madness tbh, even holding 1000+ lbs in your hands in a benchpress, single/multiply etc is madness.
@@kennethmoore-cq7bj he’s been known for a horrible lockout his whole career. Look up his 1,102 bench which he actually did in a multiply poly shirt. But it’s no where close to locked out.
@@budadi 100%
how is this even judged properly 😂
@@bojanvelkoski3275 equipped judging is pointless. They just say close enough so people get massive numbers.
I like how powerlifting definition of raw is « equipped, but not too much » ahah
Wrist wraps shouldn't even be counted as "not too much".
My wrists literally explode when I press 50lbs dumbbells for warmup without wraps while I can bench 290lbs on the barbell with wraps.
I legit have my 60yo mom's frail girly wrists.
@@Shvabicu You know you can get your wrists stronger. Prolly should since what you're saying sounds like an injury waiting to happen
@@Shvabicu wraps of any kind, belts, etc should *NOT* be considered raw, as they're literally the definition of supportive gear.
@@marsh00n135 I'm born with wristbones that aren't packed tightly enough. Can't do nothing about skeletal deficiencies. My grip strength is plenty fine, so musculature and tendons are ok. It's just the skeletal structure is busted.
It's also not an injury waiting to happen. I know they would explode pressing 50lbs dumbbells because I did injure my wrists like that a couple years ago 😅
@@littlethuggie wrist wraps have 0 effect on bench strength. They're protective gear. Belts are also protective and don't really generate force, but you could argue that easier bracing gives your CNS more breathing room to focus on generating force. Knee wraps/sleeves are a bit dodgy though.
Record on incline without wrist wraps is my 855 for reps.
hell yeah
Kgs i hope?
@@НиколайТобиас tons
You lift reord numbers because your belly reaches all the way up to the bar.
Don’t really understand the desire to lift with equipped gear but I think it’s one hell of fashion statement. I dig that sagging shoulders look.
to prepare you central nervous system to be able to even hold the weight equipped guys do is insane...
Yeah it's kind of confusing, to be fair. Thanks for always reporting, mate.
difference is huge, might just e me but I don't get equipped lifting the equipment carries so much weight
Eh, put a bench shirt on the bench and it won’t lift the weight.
@@JosephQPublic not saying you don’t have to be strong but a near 200kg difference is more than most peoples deadlifts
@@JosephQPublic you have to get used to it and train with it, but none of the guys benching 500kg with that thing is as strong as julius, and is nowhere near his bench
@@dennisruud825 Completely false. Look at elite equipped lifter's raw and equipped lifts - they still have exceptional raw strength. To say 'none of the guys benching 500kg with that thing....' is ridiculous. Nowhere near? Don't be foolish.
@@topemeister3000 im saying in the realm of bench world records they are relatively far away from a 355kg bench. Ofc they are incredibly strong and many are over 300kg bench, but none are 340kg plus
equipped is probably best thing to see in men's meddle weight categories IMO
The fact that hes 50 is nuts for this guy
Why people be doing equipped, i just dont get it?
It's like putting on an exoskelleton iron man suit and let the machine do the work to an extent.
does using a deadlift jack count as an equipped deadlift?
I know he has multiple suits and stuff but 510 is still amazing
I like the 1970's powerlifting - a singlet and a belt and maybe weightlifting shoes (or not), pure unadulterated strength. Doug Young, Larry Pacifico, Lamar Gant, Jim Williams, John Cole, Doug Reinhoudt, too many too count.
They did have knee wraps. Shitty knee wraps, but they did use them. I do like that era.
To support 1100 pounds on your bones equipped or not Is absolutely insane !! But you'd be surprised how much less he could bench raw , I'm guessing somewhere I the 600's maybe. Because equipped lifting is a skill of its own and its so much different mastering it takes dedication and time and raw lifting is so much different. Same with Julius Maddox he probably couldn't even do 950 equipped because he doesn't practice it
The equipped bench didn't look good. He didn't appear to lockout before bringing the weight to the supports. There is supposed to be a very short pause.
Bro the hatred for equip lifting makes me so sad
Most of the hate is brought on by equipped lifters themselves. I know plenty who act like they are the shit and way stronger then they are because of their equipment. I myself think equipped lifting is great and makes plenty of sense. Using all the gear (equipment) under the sun to lift as much weight as possible is certainly a cool concept. It’s just the people who act like it’s comparable to raw lifting and more impressive bring a lot of hate to it. I myself compete classic raw
It's not even that I dont like raw, that's how I primarily train It's just to me seeing completely geared out monsters lift inhuman weights is so fucking cool.
Yeah, I'll probably never train full equipment, but I could see why people would be into it.
@@alexrandazzo195 Same. I'm never going to bother with equipment, but it's fascinating to me watching other people do it.
just look the form of most fo the equipped lift and you'll understand why it's hated, it need to die and let place to raw only,
just a recall equipped is the reason everybody out of the powerlifting community is making fun of this sport
I don't understand equipped bench. What's stopping you from using a spring-like suit that pushes upwards with a force of 2000 pounds, then loading up 2050 pound and essentially doing a 50 bound bench press? It looks like a category that will keep increasing as our technology gets better.
For real
Because they all use the same gear in the same divisions
been like that for years
Your body can only handle so many different forces at once
because your body is still the thing supporting all of that weight. you cant throw the shirt on the bench and have it lift 2000 pounds. a person has to be in that shirt and they have to use all of their muscles to keep that weight in control. Tiny can still raw bench more than most people can deadlift.
Jimmy kolb not getting the recognition he deserves…
Biggest single ply shirted bench of all time 1120 (if I’m not mistaken)
No need for comparison since raw and equipped are totally different lifts 💯
When is the forklift bench press competition anyways? Been waiting on that because it takes effort from the one managing the vehicle!
Comparison would be interesting if the equipped lifter tries raw
The older guy`s forearm is the biggest one I have seen in my 43 years in the sport.
That forearm dwarfs Ronnie in his prime.
If you like forearms go check out armwrestling like Levan
The technique used in equipped lifting and raw are so fundamentally different that the skill doesnt really even translate between the two. Especially a specialist like these two, Julius might be able to bench more raw than he can with a shirt, assuming he's never done it before.
Doesn't even make sense how you'd get that conclusion that it's even remotely possible he'd bench less with a shirt. Slap a slingshot on and he has at least AT THW VERY MILDEST 30lbs more
Very odd conclusion. It's like you almost got the point and then just abandoned it. If Julius spent the time to hone his technique with a bench shirt, he would be able to life more than his raw personal record. That's just a fact.
@@monkeyhater4203 slingshot and shirt is not the same at all. But yes, i maybe exaggerated abit, but not much, the movement changes completely.
@@topemeister3000 what? Yes ofc he would? Anyone would? I said its not transferable, as in the raw recordholder wont be able to slap on a shirt and even get close to the equipped record just because he is the raw WRH, and vise versa, because the lifts are fundamentally different. if he honed his skill and got good at it, he would be good at it.....that goes without saying. I even specified: Assuming he's never done it before, as in not honed his skill.
@@immasurvivor No. You didn't say that at all. You only said that it's not transferable. Your actual explanation didn't come until just now, so I don't really understand your surprise. What's the point in saying that somebody who has never practiced a movement could not beat the world record in said movement? Is that news?
That's the thing, you're saying things like 'slap on a shirt' - implying that somebody who had never used one would just put one on, throw the world record weight on the bar, and have a go. Obviously that wouldn't work would it? That goes without saying.
It's like saying to somebody who has only ever lifted conventional to go and pull sumo and beat the world record. No shit they couldn't do it.
There's an older video of tiny supposedly doing 750 raw
That was bullshit,the video only showed him before and after the lift.It never showed the actual lift!
Tiny never pressed even close to that raw lol.
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@@longitudinalwelle8374 yeah, that looks legit... (obviously isn't lmao)
@@longitudinalwelle8374 The guys a bullshit artist and a clown and always with the sycophants trailing behind. At the time of that video that was 30 pounds more then the all time record.
So why didn't he compete?Because there wasn't even 600 pounds on that bar!
that equipped bench getting white lights is ridiculous, I swear those elbows weren't locked
i feel like a single ply comparison would’ve been more adequate
Thank God there's the subtitles because I can barely even understand what you were saying.
I'm gonna help my lift with a forklift and then just pretend it's a new equipped division, why not?
As a 90s powerlifter, it's crazy to me that the geared lifts are the aberration. Everything was a geared lift before about 2010.
because thing just go so absurd ...
Hey man, please never hire a voice actor. I always look forward to your uploads when I sign in. I've heard your voice for so long it's like catching up with a buddy at the end of the day. Plus your accent makes me smile haha :-) Keep making these videos.
A year and a half later and the equipped record is up by 126kg (636kg)
Equipped bench is ridiculous. No touches and soft lockouts all the time
Julius Maddox is the only one who does the Raw Bench Press motions correctly. Full Range of Motion IMHO.
even with a suit i cant imagine that much stress on your hands and wrist / joints etc. that is seriously some soul crushing fucking weight.
humans r just insane
I'll never understand the point of equipped lifting, but goddamn. Holding 500kg above you is crazy
Equiped bench ist a dad sport with dad rock in the background and people drinking beer after the lift. The older you get, the more shirts you wear to keep the numbers up.
I feel like many people get the impression that just putting on a bench shirt instantly raises your bench max by 100 kg. If you took someone who never benched in a shirt before and just stuffed them in a shirt and had them bench, they would either fail and have to dump the bar on their neck/pelvis. It takes weeks to months of pressing to boards before you could even get a touch. I love this analogy; raw bench is to equipped bench as high jump is to pole vault. Just as you couldn't give a high jumper a pole and have them immediately vaulting, it takes time to get used to a shirt. Yes the shirt is doing much of the work, but needing to re-learn how to brace properly, how to pull the bar down, and the proper bar path takes time. I wish people would learn to respect raw and equipped lifting equally, as is done for high jump and pole vault.
I'm sorry, but the equipped Bench is a joke. No disrespect to those Ultra Strong guys but for me, the Raw Bench is the Real Bench Press.
Danial Zamani has a 350kg RAW bench, close to Julius Maddox. I'm sure he can bench 360kg soon!
Raw is the only record that matters I just don't see the point in equipped lifting ,if you want to use equipment to move weight just use a forklift
Bill Gillespie has the the multi ply bench press record now, he’s 62 years old man.
Just holding 510 kg it's impressive, I don't care what everyone says, it's a great lift
Yeah, absolutely insane. Even having that on your back would be spine breaking weight
Its truly impressive, would be cool to see what force these dudes generates at the top of the lift (benchshirt dont help so much at the top).
Bench press without the pressing, how about calling it isometric barbell flat bench hold?
The only problem I have with "equipped" benchers is when responding to "How much can you bench?" they always respond with what they can when equipped, while not saying that is when equipped, and also then not saying what they can do raw. 99% of the time the person asking the question is assuming that is what they can bench wearing a tee-shirt. They never say what they can bench un-equipped. 99.9% people don't care what you bench wearing the silly-suit. The want to know what you as a regular person going to a gym can bench.
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Wait I am confused, Is Jimmy kolb still a record holder?
In single ply
@@mateiconstantinescu3445 oh I see, thanks
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how u can argue u can bench press a certain weight and then explain you used a suit, wrist straps and a belt is nuts its like no u didnt lift that weight half of is was of all the shit you used
what is even the point of equipped lifting lmao i don't get it, its just being able to lift hundreds of pounds more because of a product and not actually your strength, like who finds that interesting or cool?
Beacuse its fun, thats it
You just don't know history of powerlifting.
I know some people are gonna be butthurt by this comment but i really don't care, it's the truth, keep your ego's in check and actually lift what you're capable of without the aid of equipment.
"Hundred of pounds more because of some product and not your strength" thst is true but you could say exactly the same about steroids, however no one criticizes that anymore
I don't really care for equipped lifting, but I think it is interesting to fans in the same way that motorsports are to some people. People on motorcycles or racecars aren't using their own speed, but instead they're operating these devices with skill at an elite level to out pace their competition and that can be fascinating to watch. Same thing here.
One competition I had at regionals..guy benched 600+ equipped..he told me he could only bench 405 raw..he also used single ply..I wonder how much a multi-ply set up could add on a good bencher
It varies person to person. In traditional style shirts 300-350 lbs. In these new rubber band shirts, God knows. They're new enough that guys haven't even scratched the surface of potential, IMO
What is it with this hateful herd mentality towards equipped lifting? Just let them do their thing, no need to regurgitate your hate at another community. No matter how you twist or turn it, what they do is very impressive
As someone said, it's completely different exercise, something like running and motorsports or high jump and pole vault. So saying it's cheating is stupid. But if someone does equipped lifting and claims it to be raw then he's an idiot.
Yes, it's very impressive what people can lift with equipment like with a forklift for example you can even lift 5 tons.
Yes and WWE is also impressive but still a circus act.
@@luishernandez8121 I wouldn't say they're completely different exercises, I would say they're different classes of the same exercise, similar to weight classes. If you're competing in a 100kg weight class for example, it's completely moronic to claim that people in the SHW class are cheating because they're allowed to be bigger, and to me it's just as stupid to call equipped lifters cheaters because they're allowed to wear gear
@@branominal yeah not exactly completely different but I've seen many videos of normal gym bros trying to do equipped bench press and they failed miserably
Equipped bench shouldn't even be in the category of sports/fitness. It's in the tech field. A man bench pressing more than Eddie Hall and Hafthor can deadlift is proof that it's not about human power.
It sure is about human power - just not only power. It's very technical. It's like comparing go-cart til Formula 1. You go a lot faster, you have much more power, but you need insane skill to master it.
Equipped lifting is so dumb. Imagine you had it in other sports like long jump but just before you jump, you catapult yourself off a trampoline instead. There's a reason it doesn't exist in any other sport...
Nobody cares about dat, like everybody is stupid or something. I dont know why strongman do this bullshit. Everybody ia talking about 501 dead, but it was equiped too, so it does not count... its just stupid as hell, like you said.
The ratio seems to be around 2:3.... AKA, if I can push 300 raw, then with some training, 450 equipped; some more anecdote; the only equipped bench contest I ever saw, the winner did 675; and he warmed up by popping up a quick double w/405 raw...
Soon we will witness people breaking world records in Tonnes in equipped benching, they will be allowed to use forklift
I thought James was going to die before being able to rack the barbell
hahhahaha, i nearly died yeah haha
Hello, what about Jimmy Kolb?
Ryan Kennelly 487.6 kg
Will Barotti 503.4 kg
Tiny Meeker 510.2 kg
Jimmy Kolb 598.7 kg
At the beginning of the video it looks like the one spotter sniffs an ammonia tab right before Julius starts lol it wouldn't surprise me
whatever the people say, when you bench 510kg you are not a shrimp!!! whatever the figures of the shirt helping or not, even cut 100kg it is insane...that would still be a 410kg...just nuts! these guys are strong!
The shirt is helping even more than 100kg, he is probably a 650lb raw lifter so its adding like 40% to his total.
Just imagine Julius in multi ply meet with 2 bench shirts on…. He would crush 600kgs
to even attempt to hold over half a ton above your face is impressive enough
For an elite level lifter a bench shirt can add 45kg+ to their bench. Then the slingshot they use adds 15-25% (maddog level 4) (according to Mark Bell who invented it) The more weight you can bench the more it helps. For absolutely top tier he said it's 25% more. So if we take the 355 RAW and add the basic minimum for elite lifters for the shirt thats 45kg more so 355+45=400x0.25=500. Now taking into account skill level bench shirt can be more effective. Without the slingshot and bench shirt your body needs to handle all the controlling and stabilizing for the weight. Stability control makes a massive difference. (If you don't believe me take whatever your max weight is divide that by 4 and put that much weight dangling from a barbell via a chain or something and see for yourself how much the increased movement effects your bench. Equipped benchers at the top are very strong obviously or they wouldn't be there. But it's unrealistic to think they can bench more RAW than the RAW bench press record. I would say that the equipped bench press world record holders RAW bench is probably somewhere between 280-310KG. (Don't take what I'm saying as law or holy writ, I am just voicing my opinion based on what we know about the equipment used and how the body works.)
0:45 I thought he was gonna say "to help us get to 69.420" and he should've
It's so weird how the equipped bench press is more than the equipped deadlift
There's an absolutely ridiculous video of Tiny attempting 1420lb with 1 board in training. Dude. Is. A. Freak.
Random gym bro: Hey mann whats your bench?
This dude: Eh its alright lately just like 12 plates
Who got the answer to that equipment vs raw calculation.
Equipped bench is total bs, you may as well claim your leg press as a squat...........
what is the point of equipped lifting lol. Might aswell attach hydraulics to your suit then and lift 2 tons.
I believe Bill Gillespie just hit 1129 in Multi-Ply in a 365Strong Meet. Crazy how these happened all so close!!
And at 62 years old!
The truth is its just a hell of alot more fun equipment benching than raw..Most people don't understand benching in a shirt adds to your raw bench&its a rush for me easily push into the 700s+ while doing 500 raw..This "debate"between the 2 does nothing but hurt our sport
SlingShot🤫🤣 vs REAL SHOT💪🏻🤯
That squat was not even close to parallel.. still strong af nonetheless
yeah only been training 1 year and still trying to find what works for me, ive done 250 to depth though just recently
Equipped lifting is very niche as well. I'd say that 95% of powerlifters are raw lifters these days, meaning that the pool of competitors for equipped lifting is low.
I want a marriage as strong as these bars man.
Does Equipped “Multi-Ply” bench press include belt? Does belt make it easier to bench?
As of this post, 4/02/2023, there's an unofficial, but well-credentialed 804 lb raw BP, & an official 1129 suited record, a 325 lb difference, but it's two different men, so it doesn't equate to a 325 lb advantage. It actually indicates a much HIGHER difference; it's unlikely that the suited record-holder can press even 700 raw. Granted the skills are different, but proper rehearsal raw is considered in my estimate. nonetheless, let's give him the 700; thus a 429 lb suit advantage; well over 50%. If you didn't put at least 300 lbs on the bar, the spotters probably wouldn't be able to force it down to the lifters chest, & if less than 400, it'd pop back up on it's own. What nonsense.
I can't comprehend what 510kgs feels like
Lmao the last dude squatting so low it's hard rerack.
Equipped lifting is just a joke and these people are deservedly ridiculed by most people. Having said that I would be curious whether Julius could do a higher % of Tiny's record equipped, or Tiny could do a higher % of Julius record raw.
Cuando se trata de esas camisas de lastico y esas fajas para el pecho es lo más ridiculo q se puede ver nada que ver como un levantamiento limpio
I can only imagine the pain from holding over 1000lbs in your hands.
to hell with holding it in your hands much less holding it over your face
I had to check out the speed at which I was runing the video, thought it was at .75
Me too🤣
Imagine holding 500 + kg without your arms snapping and shoulders exploding.
As someone who doesn’t compete, may I ask what the point of “equipped” competition is? Seems like a regular lift with extra steps
Raw lifts are the King hands down.
Can you imagine what Julius could do in a bench shirt with some practice and coaching? I'd love to see him try in the future.
This dude 100% deserves a sub
That equipped lift was a joke, no lock out
There isn't a equipped lifter on the planet for bench press that can come close to the raw record. Period. The bench shirts can give 5-6 hundred pounds of assistance. An anyone that thinks they can't is simply wrong. I wore a single ply shirt from 2005 an i personally got 100-150 lbs out if it an i am not a good bencher to begin with. Back then the best shirts with the best pressers of the time were giving them 350-400+ lbs of assistance for some an others maybe 250-300 lbs. Either way simply put the shirts got better. Thats it.
Yea exactly. im all for equipped but the ply thing gets so dam confusing
Why is a bench shirt even a thing? Lets add a category where the spotter gets to help put too then?
Tiny has a gym here in Kingwood Tx
People will criticize you for using equipment to help you but don't care about people on steroids competing against naturals
You forgot about scott Mendelson 1000pd equipped bench
The question is what does the other guy press raw