The NBA is nearly unwatchable. Games are extremely sloppy, slow (too many soft fouls and reviews), and boring. Travels and carries no longer exist. The "superstars" flop around like soccer players. It's a shame what it's become.
You are just wrong. Clearly you've never actually watched NBA basketball "back then." The 60's, 80's and 70's were the 3 highest scoring decades in league history. Ever hear of the Magic Johnson led Lakers? They were not slow. The league back then was rough and a little dirty, yes, but that's because the last 20 years of NBA players are way softer and the league as a whole became way softer due to incidents such as the Malice at the Palace. I can name at least 20 superstars outside of the Bulls. @@chrisuncleahmad
The old NBA was much tougher than it is now. Today's NBA players have become weak due to load management. Many NBA players from the 1980s and 1990s played in every game.
Yeah but its like, everyone always talks about how "physical" old schools guys like Bird were, but like, imagine him trying to match up with Giannis? Wtf would Bird do lmao, Giannis is bigger, faster, and stronger.
To me, after watched 40+years of NBA, the 80s and 90s were the most entertaining period. You could almost see fires for players eyes. Teams literally wanted to destroy each other. Every franchise player had shown leadership and never gave up on every single game. That broil my blood. Scores seems lower but way more physical and and the tough shots are really "tough".
The younger generation is easily offended. They’ll only accept humanity collectively sharing their delusions. Anything short of that will be met with a spirit of spoiled brat.
@@markbantz9699 you mean flopping muscles? World championship of what? You didn't get any metal in the fiba world cup and you will say world championship?? That's funny!
We win an Olympics in 1984 with Jordan and COLLEGE players and lose the 2023 world championship to teams with nba bench players and players who aren’t in the nba.
Remember MJ explained he doesn't look to shoot 3s because it takes away from his aggression at driving and slashing? Guess it's no surprise that the increase in shooting 3s correlated with an increase in soft rules and soft mentalities.
I only started watching the NBA since 2010 and enjoy studying the history and evolution of the NBA. I agree that today's NBA is missing what made the past eras great -- guys playing hard, guys playing with passion and pride in their game, superstars asking for the challenge of guarding the opposing superstar, men battling it out in pursuit of being the alpha, men rising up to the physical challenge instead of foulbaiting and flopping.
I started consciously watching the NBA in 1991 as I was too young to remember anything before that and to me the mid-90's to mid/late 2000's was the peak for basketball. The game doesn't need to go back to that level of physicality to be enjoyable again, but it certainly needs refs to ease off on the foul calling and rein back on the player empowerment that has nurtured the current breed of stars in the league. There are only a handful that share the mentality and attitude of the old NBA as far as competitiveness and earning their stripes.
WRONG. NBA basketball is the worsted sport to watch since 2000. LeFlop ruined basketball. There isn't one player now that could play in the 80s and 90s. Or they would be bench players.
I'm in my 50s and I can't jump (knees). I still love to go out on the court and bang it up with the youngsters. I've twisted my ankles so many times that I've lost count, broken a couple of fingers and had stitches in my head. It's just part of the game.
I am 38 and I can still jump and play but these kids make me hate playing basketball ,I don't know how you do it they don't think at all, basketball IQ -20 and playing with them is watching them taking turns who is gonna pick more dumber shots than the other one and at 38 I play more defence then all of them which is sad considering that I was averige defender in my 20s
@@Rad--ls7gp Maybe your defense is getting better? Age does make you smarter. My lack of spring in my knees has caused me to improve my bank shot to make up for my reduced in-the-paint game.
Today's NBA is softer than baby poop 👶 💩 . The 80'-90's NBA was brutal; that's what makes Michael Jordan the GOAT 🐐 because he accomplished everything he did in such a tough league where players would tear your head off in that era. Remember the "Jordan Rules" when the Pistons were trying to hurt MJ because he was such a threat on the hardwood? I would say the end of the tough era in the NBA was maybe around 2003. Yea, today's game is Johnson & Johnson baby powder.
Didn't MJ contribute to the rule changes because of the physicality of the Pistons? Didn't he also disregard them for there tough play? You calling the league "soft" changes nothing, and that is what I think the biggest problem is. FANS! We want gladiators and not skill. We could care less if these players drop dead as long as they entertain us by being hyper-agressive, and that is sad in my opinion.
MJ never load managed. What are you talking about? He tried to play in every game for multiple reasons, one is that he knew fans were buying tickets to show up to see just him. So he tried to bring his best every night for that one fan that might only be able to afford to go to one game in their city an they bought tickets to the one time Chicago would visit their city that whole year. An they might have bought those tickets months in advance. He tried to play every game of every year. He played in all 82 nine of the fifteen he played in, 80 in one season 81 in another an 78 in another. The only times he played below 78 was his second year when he broke his foot, the 94/95 season when he came back from baseball an one year with the Wizards when he was injured. MJ never load managed, never! He was also too competitive to do that. After his broken foot healed the team load managed him an he hated it, absolutely hated it. Couldn't wait to get back on the court. I don't know where you heard that load of nonsense that he load managed more than someone else, but it is pure nonsense. You clearly didn't watch MJ an you also clearly don't know what kind of player he was. He personally never load managed, the Bulls made him do it during a part of one season an he fought against it to a point where his coach could have got fired had he gave in to what Jordan wanted. Which was to be put in the game more than Bulls management would allow. Whoever told you that I highly recommend you stop listening to.@@PIP...33
IMO, this is the end result of a cumulation of things done by the league to create the next MJ. Gradually keep making scoring easier over the years to the point where international players say the game is harder overseas. Combine this with the higher salaries and on-court friendliness the players have for each other and here we are.
@@chrisuncleahmad that’s your opinion. And no, MJ wasn’t the only one that could score. He just happened to be the best. Personally, I like when teams play defense and players take pride in playing defense. So much time has passed that people forget what competitive basketball even looks like.
80's was great but a little too tough I think, they'd straight throw punches pretty often then. That's too much. Loved me some 90's but a lot of that was because my Sonics were good during that time I'm sure.
Great channel. I haven't watched since Sprewell attacked his coach. It felt like players were trending toward that attitude. Seeing what it is now, I don't think I was wrong to walk away. I would gladly return to watch anything that reassembled that 80s/90s style.
What's funny is, theres more rules to protect the players, more science to enhance the players, and yet guys back in the day had less injuries lol It's almost as if the strong men created good times which created weaker men.
Nowadays NBA is... Boring af. That's all. They converted the game into a playground for kids and not a sport. And don't get me wrong: some of the players have great talent, but... Wouldn't last a minute on 70s, 80s, 90s or early 2000s, if they had to play. MJ, AI, Barkley, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Magic, Bird... Would shatter these kids like a rock hitting a window glass.
There are a lot of reasons why I hate today's NBA: flopping, players chucking a lot of 3s (even 7 footers), superteams, awful officiating, and so on. Kinda off topic here but I also hate the NBA media. I don't like hearing a lot of people "hyping" certain players, like this Victor (whatever his last name is) dude. He's just a rookie and they're already saying he might be the next GOAT?! Come on, its too early to tell. Just watch the man just play
Yep, that could wind up being pressure put on that kid as well. Way too early to tell. They did the same thing with Luka comparing him to Bird (because they're both white) an I was thinking "slow down, let's see if he can even get a team to the finals before comparing him to an all time great". It's all about money an getting people to watch so they make up stories to tell. It can be a beautiful game without all that. Wen or Wembanyana, something like that. He's a leader in blocks already but still only 19 I think, they should definitely slow down on all the hype.
There's a reason that when knowledgeable basketball fans debate who the best 5 man team would be they always ask "which era rules are we playing by?" If you don't play physical defense and get to travel with the ball it really changes the conversation.
I don’t care what anyone else thinks. If lebron was drafted in 1985, he probably wouldn’t have lasted 10 years. Simply because his longevity is partly due to the softness of todays game. He may be big and strong. But in the 80’s and 90’s…. Everyone was. It was an all out war of stamina, skills and pure desire. The game has lost that edge. Where if you weren’t hurting, you weren’t playing. Those battle scars were earned. Period.
The game used to feel more exciting to watch and I can't put my finger on it. The players as a whole are more skilled but it doesn't seem as fun, or am I missing something?
As a millennial that really got into basketball probably in the early to mid 2010s, I was used to seeing the game pretty much in it's modern form. Recently I went back to see what was the skillset that made Jordan the greatest of all time. I was absolutely shocked to see that Jordan's bread and butter was pretty much back to the basket, bumping the defender and then hitting a turnaround jump shot. Kobe was pretty much the same. That of course was mixed with great driving, dunking, passing etc. It's just interesting to me that the mid range mastery is what made the greatest player of all time, and players these days are keying on either shooting the 3 or driving for a layup.
I've been a Chicago Bulls fan since their inception, 1966-67. I've played and watched a lot of basketball but as of today, I no longer watch the NBA! Forced shots, a disdain for offensive rebounds, shooting mostly 3's, not running a formal offense like the triple post, celebrating a dunk 2 minutes into a game, coaches not actually coaching, (they have become expensive "time out callers"), nonchalant defense, etc. This game used to be somewhat strategic, now it's like a gym class where the teacher rolls out a rack of basketballs and say pick teams and go! The NBA is now one giant "pick up," game with each player being an independent contractor, playing for his next contract! R.I.P NBA!
When I was a kid I remember hearing a lot of old guys complaining about changes and that in their day things were better. Now that I'm older I understand where this was coming from and it's when you don't have an option for your preferences. There isn't another big basketball league to watch and you're stuck with what seems permanent changes you don't like.
The worst part is they have no fundamentals and everybody is at the 3 point line in the playoffs I seen a Miami player literally trip over the 3 point line when a loose ball was 3 ft from him. He acted like he was on the edge of the out of bounds line and the other team had 20 sec to come get ball bc he was wanting to shoot it. 90% of the players travel. I seen lebron in two different plays walk the entire length of the floor without dribbling the ball and the flops and crying and throwing your self in the ground like a kid is a joke. You a grown ass man. Todays era sucks
My dad's been watching the NBA since Magic/Bird's era and he said the NBA probably got too physical in the 90s. But he's also become less of an NBA fan in recent years so I think the pendulum has swung too far towards softness.
Another great take Sean. I need to hear your opinion on this... Do you feel the European style of play influenced a "softer" NBA? Or Do you feel the European style of play is a bi-product of rule changes and softer players?
It is. 4 players stand around the 3 point line . And they pass the ball around the perimeter and jack up the three. The players look the same and play the same.
The game today makes you wanna watch Tom & Jerry cartoons. The 1980s and 1990s games makes you wanna stick it out and watch the whole season every year.
started watching early 90’s, this is way better than the stagnant standing around offence that was run before, just waiting fir the big guys in the post to feed them for that running hook😂, it was physical but that doesn’t mean a good defense, players this era have to move there feet very well to defend and not easily hand check
Today's NBA ratings are at an all time low . People actually ran offensive set in the old school . They actually knew how to play basketball and every team did not play the same style . The Lakers ran the floor but the Celtics were basically half court . The bulls played a different game and they had rim protectors . Today if you beat your man it's a layup because the big man is 20bfeet from the rim .
@@saburrashid5566 makes it more challenging to defend since they bring the best rim protectors to go 20 ft out, since bigs now can really shoot it, it was just post up plays or transition back then, i saw utah consistently running plays and side actions, bulls got the triangle
@@marksines1246 nonsense when you are a big you negate your size advantage when you play on the perimeter . 7 foot but you shooting threes that's why the NBA sucks today . It is a three point contest . Nobody has a unique game everybody plays the same way . Dribble step back shoot a 3 that's not real basketball . Proof ? Ratings keep going lower and lower . Nobody hustles , boxes out or guards the ball and nobody can play the midrange game . The problem is they let a corny white man tell them to obey a computer how to play the game . That's why intelligent play is an afterthought . Nobody thinks the game anymore it's pathetic .
The rebounding stat and the assist stat are the 2 biggest overrated stats in the league. 4 offensive players are out at the 3 point line, the shot gets chucked up, clangs off the rim , and falls into the lap of one of the defense and he gets credit. No boxing out , no having to fight for the ball. A guy hands a ball to some one or passes it to him 5 feet away. That guy goes up for a three , makes it, and the other guy gets an assist. Ridiculous
Not just soft they don't play defense so the scores are crazy high now. Back in the day, the scores were low like the high 80s and mid-90s but the defense players played made getting your shot a lot more work.
I tried hard to like this new NBA too. But I've been "trying" for 10 years now. And I have yet to watch a full game. Even the highlights are boring to me now. Personally its just the same junk over and over again. I do miss the 90s NBA era too.
Do it bro, 20 min video of modern day vs back in the day. So many times while watching ball the last couple years. That some of these guys dominating today wouldn’t be $hit
I was born in 81 so missed out on the Celtics and lakers, remember the bad boys and of course the Knicks, pacers, bulls of the east, great physical rivalries in the nineties, miss those days, haven't really watched basketball since
I'll tell you what Mr.David. set up a 3 game series with old school and New age NBA players.slap some mediocre rules and set em out on the floor. Should be epic.
Today's players can't compare to the older players. Compare a player like Ben Simmons to a player like Isiah Thomas of the Detroit Pistons. When The Pistons played the Lakers in the NBA finals Thomas severely sprained his ankle. He was hellbent on playing the next day. It was painful to watch him run hard on his ankle. Back then players sacrificed their bodies. Nowadays a player stubs his toe and he's out for the season.
I dont need to tell you Shawn: how honest these many ex NBA players were in your segment. Truth is just: the truth. The vast majority of Newbes to the game, can't see it--because this current NBA Era is all they've ever known. After those "Old Skool" guys era ended: real defence became the first casualty of the League--till now, any modern player who displayed the average skill sets of that previous era; is now called a "Two-way player." Amazing, when in the previous era, you where consider just a "complete player" that ALL player strived to be then.
Soft rules and shooting 3's with 29 seconds left on the shot clock is not worth watching. And the nba knows it. They allow traveling now to encourage player to get up in it.
The referees I think hold the most responsibility. Imagine if they didn’t make these weak calls and refused to call and acknowledge all the flops 🤷🏻♂️
@@mj23goat3 The league as well. They tell the refs how to call it. Seems like their goal was to increase scoring and showboating which took away from the game, and then there were also a few BIG fights in the 1980s and 1990's (as I recall), and so the league wanted to decrease some of the aggressiveness. Around 1990, I once said to a coworker who played minor league ball for a while that the NBA/basketball wasn't as much of a contact sport as say the NFL, and he removed his teeth. It was damn physical back then.
I love watching old basketball games can’t watch new games… personally I feel replays and stuff ruined sports there to much looking back at thing the sports used to be what happens happens call a penalty/ foul or don’t and move on!
Im 70 ..so in the 60's i started playing Hoops..max out 70's Without a doubt much more physical then.if you didn't BANG . your were not on the court period . In Indiana they Beat the "softness out of you.Indiana High School Basketball back then was BRUTAL and the best.
I grew up watching 90s and i don't miss unsportmanlike, career threathening fouls.. BUT 1. I WANT GUYS TO PLAY, not SIT. 2. PLEASE, Contest the layups, and don't just be a p***y and be afraid of contact. 3. BRING BACK TECHNICALS when players bitch at the refs all the time. Yeah, I know Luca will foul out each game (and I'm a fan). 4. Let players wave finger or taunt opponents.. That's ok. But, we don't need dirty plays.. just contest the shots and play physical by TRYING HARD!
Top video mate, I agree with you. I can’t watch the nba anymore it’s “bore-ball” I don’t wanna watch 30+ plus 3 point attempts a game from one team flopping is out of control…the salary’s are a big problem and why these players actually run the league now and this whole trade me mentality coz had a tiff with a fellow team mate or the management boo fn hoo! SOFT NBA
100% agree! Not only is the lack of physicality weakening the game and the players, but the constant whistle blowing also allows increased rest time while on court! Anyone who has played knows what that extra 30secs to catch your breath can do! It's harder than watching a bunch of 60yr olds playing a scrimmage and trying not to get injured! Yeah, we have our Westbrooks who hustle, our Kawhi's who play both ends, but that extra knock in the key, that final wall you hit when driving the basket, those are serious obstacles that vastly change the trajectory of the game! What is super annoying is that these rules and paths of ease have allowed a player like lebron to dominate statistically, and now at the end of his tenure they're slowly plugging back into some of the old way, thus ensuring lebron remains elevated in stats (not chips)! As far as I'm concerned it is all far too obviously orchestrated.
You had to really know how to play in the 90s. I see it when Team USA plays and gets beaten. The world is tougher on the court than we are right now. Sad.
Riddle me this: how come it feels like modern players get a minor injury and are out for weeks if not months, collecting their pay-checks. While in the 80's where people played for peanuts in comparison and way more physical, you had no load management, no modern tech, how did people played more games?
The NBA is nearly unwatchable. Games are extremely sloppy, slow (too many soft fouls and reviews), and boring. Travels and carries no longer exist. The "superstars" flop around like soccer players. It's a shame what it's become.
Yeah the foul quantity kills the pace
True Dat..!
You are just wrong. Clearly you've never actually watched NBA basketball "back then." The 60's, 80's and 70's were the 3 highest scoring decades in league history. Ever hear of the Magic Johnson led Lakers? They were not slow. The league back then was rough and a little dirty, yes, but that's because the last 20 years of NBA players are way softer and the league as a whole became way softer due to incidents such as the Malice at the Palace. I can name at least 20 superstars outside of the Bulls. @@chrisuncleahmad
Not to mention that the best players are ‘load managing’ and half the teams and intentionally trying to lose the games.
I just watched a game. I'm assuming you're born after 2000.
They're a reflection of the soft AF society we let ourselves slip into.
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Bunch of guys raised in beauty shops. Femininity is what they were exposed too because "men ain't shit". No masculinity to be found.
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Exactly
Today’s NBA is a no defense 3pt contest. Players just cry about fouls and wear colorful shoes
Man if the 90s basketball came back id go back to watching basketball so fast. Now a days it feels so boring.
You can see it in kids playing and pick up ball… the culture of it is pervasive. Bad attitudes and no sense of toughness as a virtue.
The old NBA was much tougher than it is now.
Today's NBA players have become weak due to load management.
Many NBA players from the 1980s and 1990s played in every game.
Yes indeed!
So very much true.
there are way too many games now.
John Stockton and AC Green dude. Stock played every game for 17 of his 19 seasons! He only missed 22 games in those other 2 seasons combined
@@sp4604It’s the same amount of games fool (82)
I love when people say guys like Larry couldnt play today. Without the physicality? Man, larry would go for 60 without even needing to rest his back
Yeah but its like, everyone always talks about how "physical" old schools guys like Bird were, but like, imagine him trying to match up with Giannis? Wtf would Bird do lmao, Giannis is bigger, faster, and stronger.
@@maxdurk4624why would he be matched up with him?
@@maxdurk4624 so was almost every player Bird beat.
"We went through way worse shit when we was broke."
Preach.
To me, after watched 40+years of NBA, the 80s and 90s were the most entertaining period. You could almost see fires for players eyes. Teams literally wanted to destroy each other. Every franchise player had shown leadership and never gave up on every single game. That broil my blood. Scores seems lower but way more physical and and the tough shots are really "tough".
Yep. Back in those days, New Jersey hated New York, Miami hated Atlanta etc, but at the end of those games, they'll shake hands in sportsmanship
The younger generation is easily offended. They’ll only accept humanity collectively sharing their delusions. Anything short of that will be met with a spirit of spoiled brat.
Truth be told
Today's NBA era is the softest era of all time
We got muscled in the world championship!!
@@markbantz9699 you mean flopping muscles?
World championship of what?
You didn't get any metal in the fiba world cup and you will say world championship?? That's funny!
not th enba.... the actual generation is soft
We win an Olympics in 1984 with Jordan and COLLEGE players and lose the 2023 world championship to teams with nba bench players and players who aren’t in the nba.
Not just the NBA players as the new generation in general.
It sucks
UFC is not as dangerous anymore too
And pro football is trash also. All the sub . 500 record teams and these rules to restrict the defenses
Remember MJ explained he doesn't look to shoot 3s because it takes away from his aggression at driving and slashing? Guess it's no surprise that the increase in shooting 3s correlated with an increase in soft rules and soft mentalities.
I only started watching the NBA since 2010 and enjoy studying the history and evolution of the NBA. I agree that today's NBA is missing what made the past eras great -- guys playing hard, guys playing with passion and pride in their game, superstars asking for the challenge of guarding the opposing superstar, men battling it out in pursuit of being the alpha, men rising up to the physical challenge instead of foulbaiting and flopping.
I started consciously watching the NBA in 1991 as I was too young to remember anything before that and to me the mid-90's to mid/late 2000's was the peak for basketball. The game doesn't need to go back to that level of physicality to be enjoyable again, but it certainly needs refs to ease off on the foul calling and rein back on the player empowerment that has nurtured the current breed of stars in the league.
There are only a handful that share the mentality and attitude of the old NBA as far as competitiveness and earning their stripes.
WRONG. NBA basketball is the worsted sport to watch since 2000. LeFlop ruined basketball. There isn't one player now that could play in the 80s and 90s. Or they would be bench players.
The league is SOFT
I'll add QUEEN James to adding that to come into the league now with his soft ass........
NBA was already unwatchable almost a decade ago. I used to watch highlights since then but now i already stop watching it altogether.
Basketball today is straight yawn status
The game reflects society aka the audience. Weak, entitled, more for less. It's our fault for allowing it. Reap what you sow!
Facts..sissy booty ninjas swearing to be gangsters....
I'm in my 50s and I can't jump (knees). I still love to go out on the court and bang it up with the youngsters. I've twisted my ankles so many times that I've lost count, broken a couple of fingers and had stitches in my head. It's just part of the game.
Allen Iverson is this your burner account? 👀
@@HeathOverledger LOL!!!!!
@@HeathOverledger Haha! I wish :)
I am 38 and I can still jump and play but these kids make me hate playing basketball ,I don't know how you do it they don't think at all, basketball IQ -20 and playing with them is watching them taking turns who is gonna pick more dumber shots than the other one and at 38 I play more defence then all of them which is sad considering that I was averige defender in my 20s
@@Rad--ls7gp Maybe your defense is getting better? Age does make you smarter. My lack of spring in my knees has caused me to improve my bank shot to make up for my reduced in-the-paint game.
Today's NBA is softer than baby poop 👶 💩 . The 80'-90's NBA was brutal; that's what makes Michael Jordan the GOAT 🐐 because he accomplished everything he did in such a tough league where players would tear your head off in that era. Remember the "Jordan Rules" when the Pistons were trying to hurt MJ because he was such a threat on the hardwood? I would say the end of the tough era in the NBA was maybe around 2003. Yea, today's game is Johnson & Johnson baby powder.
JORDAN LOAD MANAGED MORE THAN 450 GAMES THATS MORE THAN KAWHI LEONARD.
REMEMBER THAT U R DERANGED BECAUSE MAGIC BIRD BARKLEY CALLED MJ SOFT
Didn't MJ contribute to the rule changes because of the physicality of the Pistons? Didn't he also disregard them for there tough play? You calling the league "soft" changes nothing, and that is what I think the biggest problem is. FANS! We want gladiators and not skill. We could care less if these players drop dead as long as they entertain us by being hyper-agressive, and that is sad in my opinion.
Lmao truue
MJ never load managed. What are you talking about? He tried to play in every game for multiple reasons, one is that he knew fans were buying tickets to show up to see just him. So he tried to bring his best every night for that one fan that might only be able to afford to go to one game in their city an they bought tickets to the one time Chicago would visit their city that whole year. An they might have bought those tickets months in advance. He tried to play every game of every year. He played in all 82 nine of the fifteen he played in, 80 in one season 81 in another an 78 in another. The only times he played below 78 was his second year when he broke his foot, the 94/95 season when he came back from baseball an one year with the Wizards when he was injured. MJ never load managed, never! He was also too competitive to do that.
After his broken foot healed the team load managed him an he hated it, absolutely hated it. Couldn't wait to get back on the court.
I don't know where you heard that load of nonsense that he load managed more than someone else, but it is pure nonsense. You clearly didn't watch MJ an you also clearly don't know what kind of player he was.
He personally never load managed, the Bulls made him do it during a part of one season an he fought against it to a point where his coach could have got fired had he gave in to what Jordan wanted. Which was to be put in the game more than Bulls management would allow.
Whoever told you that I highly recommend you stop listening to.@@PIP...33
The ratings are down 66% since 1998. That is a fact. No one wants the current NBa expect LeKaren and Crying Joel Embiid fans.
NOPE RATINGS ARE DOWN BECAUSE TOO MANY WARS AND COVID ETC. AND NOW BASKEBTALL CAN BE SEE ON PIRATED INTERNET STREAMS. BACK IN DAYS ONLY TV WAS OPTION.
LeKaren, lol. Noice!
Lmao. Word!!
Lequeen is way worse than Embiid
I haven't watched an NBA game in some years now. It has gotten too watered down, the players are good but, are not phenomenal like those of the past.
“They don’t produce cloth like that no more” CHURCH!
They have all been coddled from an early age. They also never played on asphalt and concrete and outside and on bad rims and nets.
Chain nets!
@@stevenbelow2502 I 'member
@@stevenbelow2502even rims with no nets or basketball courts with uneven surface.
IMO, this is the end result of a cumulation of things done by the league to create the next MJ. Gradually keep making scoring easier over the years to the point where international players say the game is harder overseas. Combine this with the higher salaries and on-court friendliness the players have for each other and here we are.
The NBA was not better when nobody could score besides MJ. I don’t miss the days of first to 80 wins.
@@chrisuncleahmad that’s your opinion. And no, MJ wasn’t the only one that could score. He just happened to be the best. Personally, I like when teams play defense and players take pride in playing defense. So much time has passed that people forget what competitive basketball even looks like.
@@halfpricesushi The 90s Knicks never won a title because they were too obsessed with defense that they forgot how to score
@@chrisuncleahmad sorry, the Knicks never won because they faced MJ and Shaq and Penny then Olajuwon. No shame in that.
Let's be honest! 80's was the Golden, 90's was good. The last good NBA era was the early 2000's. Then it became unwatchable!
Totally agreed.
80's was brutal, loved it.......and I totally took it for granted. Never cared for the sport.
80's was great but a little too tough I think, they'd straight throw punches pretty often then. That's too much.
Loved me some 90's but a lot of that was because my Sonics were good during that time I'm sure.
Shawn, you are ABSOLUTELY correct about today’s NBA!!!
You're not wrong, Sean. Keep it up.
Great channel. I haven't watched since Sprewell attacked his coach. It felt like players were trending toward that attitude. Seeing what it is now, I don't think I was wrong to walk away. I would gladly return to watch anything that reassembled that 80s/90s style.
What's funny is, theres more rules to protect the players, more science to enhance the players, and yet guys back in the day had less injuries lol
It's almost as if the strong men created good times which created weaker men.
Nowadays NBA is... Boring af. That's all.
They converted the game into a playground for kids and not a sport.
And don't get me wrong: some of the players have great talent, but... Wouldn't last a minute on 70s, 80s, 90s or early 2000s, if they had to play.
MJ, AI, Barkley, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Magic, Bird... Would shatter these kids like a rock hitting a window glass.
shaq and kobe would run rings around todays players nevermind the guys you mentioned
1:50 dude can't help but laugh 😂
soft like Charmin as Kobe would say.
"I could literally do a 20 minute video on the physicality alone" - we'd love to see it!
Season just started and Phoenix suns have Bradley Beal and Devin Booker out already
Exactly. What are these 2 meatheads already load managing for ?
This shit started in the 90's with Jordan. They had to make sure their cash cow didn't get injured.
Dude get beaten up by pistons, wtf are you talking about?
@@detectivemarkseven They started beating his ass in the 80's then he started crying to David Stern. 😭
AGREED...
Thanks for this video nothing but the truth !!!!
There are a lot of reasons why I hate today's NBA: flopping, players chucking a lot of 3s (even 7 footers), superteams, awful officiating, and so on.
Kinda off topic here but I also hate the NBA media. I don't like hearing a lot of people "hyping" certain players, like this Victor (whatever his last name is) dude. He's just a rookie and they're already saying he might be the next GOAT?! Come on, its too early to tell. Just watch the man just play
Yep, that could wind up being pressure put on that kid as well. Way too early to tell.
They did the same thing with Luka comparing him to Bird (because they're both white) an I was thinking "slow down, let's see if he can even get a team to the finals before comparing him to an all time great".
It's all about money an getting people to watch so they make up stories to tell. It can be a beautiful game without all that.
Wen or Wembanyana, something like that. He's a leader in blocks already but still only 19 I think, they should definitely slow down on all the hype.
This is where it's at. Nice job .
I understand your feelings about today's game. Growing up I think I would like the late 90s/2000s maybe pre Warriors era
There's a reason that when knowledgeable basketball fans debate who the best 5 man team would be they always ask "which era rules are we playing by?"
If you don't play physical defense and get to travel with the ball it really changes the conversation.
I don’t care what anyone else thinks. If lebron was drafted in 1985, he probably wouldn’t have lasted 10 years. Simply because his longevity is partly due to the softness of todays game. He may be big and strong. But in the 80’s and 90’s…. Everyone was. It was an all out war of stamina, skills and pure desire. The game has lost that edge. Where if you weren’t hurting, you weren’t playing. Those battle scars were earned. Period.
Thanks for making this video, someone had to say this.
The game used to feel more exciting to watch and I can't put my finger on it. The players as a whole are more skilled but it doesn't seem as fun, or am I missing something?
As a millennial that really got into basketball probably in the early to mid 2010s, I was used to seeing the game pretty much in it's modern form. Recently I went back to see what was the skillset that made Jordan the greatest of all time. I was absolutely shocked to see that Jordan's bread and butter was pretty much back to the basket, bumping the defender and then hitting a turnaround jump shot. Kobe was pretty much the same. That of course was mixed with great driving, dunking, passing etc. It's just interesting to me that the mid range mastery is what made the greatest player of all time, and players these days are keying on either shooting the 3 or driving for a layup.
Yea, today's game is garbage ball.
How you a millennial getting into basketball in the 2010's. So you just ain't watch basketball for the first part of your life?
@jonathanhighsmith9289 yea basketball wasn't big to me growing up. I played in leagues when I was a kid but never followed the NBA.
then :you gotta get stronger young fella.
Now: Its ok to be weak young fella.
I've been a Chicago Bulls fan since their inception, 1966-67. I've played and watched a lot of basketball but as of today, I no longer watch the NBA! Forced shots, a disdain for offensive rebounds, shooting mostly 3's, not running a formal offense like the triple post, celebrating a dunk 2 minutes into a game, coaches not actually coaching, (they have become expensive "time out callers"), nonchalant defense, etc. This game used to be somewhat strategic, now it's like a gym class where the teacher rolls out a rack of basketballs and say pick teams and go! The NBA is now one giant "pick up," game with each player being an independent contractor, playing for his next contract! R.I.P NBA!
I haven't watch 1 NBA game in 15 years. No way I'm paying to support a bunch of soft babies
When I was a kid I remember hearing a lot of old guys complaining about changes and that in their day things were better. Now that I'm older I understand where this was coming from and it's when you don't have an option for your preferences. There isn't another big basketball league to watch and you're stuck with what seems permanent changes you don't like.
The worst part is they have no fundamentals and everybody is at the 3 point line in the playoffs I seen a Miami player literally trip over the 3 point line when a loose ball was 3 ft from him. He acted like he was on the edge of the out of bounds line and the other team had 20 sec to come get ball bc he was wanting to shoot it. 90% of the players travel. I seen lebron in two different plays walk the entire length of the floor without dribbling the ball and the flops and crying and throwing your self in the ground like a kid is a joke. You a grown ass man. Todays era sucks
My dad's been watching the NBA since Magic/Bird's era and he said the NBA probably got too physical in the 90s. But he's also become less of an NBA fan in recent years so I think the pendulum has swung too far towards softness.
Another great take Sean. I need to hear your opinion on this...
Do you feel the European style of play influenced a "softer" NBA?
Or
Do you feel the European style of play is a bi-product of rule changes and softer players?
If u watch euro ball , defensively it really isn’t soft . It’s always been more finesse that atheltic
That why I play with classic on 2k I hate how they make the classic Legends weak and scared to attack the basket and slow. I miss Live 97
Todays NBA is like watching paint dry.
It is. 4 players stand around the 3 point line . And they pass the ball around the perimeter and jack up the three. The players look the same and play the same.
Make the video on the physicality Sean. Love your perspective.
The game today makes you wanna watch Tom & Jerry cartoons.
The 1980s and 1990s games makes you wanna stick it out and watch the whole season every year.
✅😄😄😄
I like Tom & Jerry as much as 90's NBA ... Top cartoon & top NBA
Don't get how players today think the best to play couldn't play today?
That makes zero sense.
started watching early 90’s, this is way better than the stagnant standing around offence that was run before, just waiting fir the big guys in the post to feed them for that running hook😂, it was physical but that doesn’t mean a good defense, players this era have to move there feet very well to defend and not easily hand check
Today's NBA ratings are at an all time low . People actually ran offensive set in the old school . They actually knew how to play basketball and every team did not play the same style . The Lakers ran the floor but the Celtics were basically half court . The bulls played a different game and they had rim protectors . Today if you beat your man it's a layup because the big man is 20bfeet from the rim .
@@saburrashid5566 makes it more challenging to defend since they bring the best rim protectors to go 20 ft out, since bigs now can really shoot it, it was just post up plays or transition back then, i saw utah consistently running plays and side actions, bulls got the triangle
@@marksines1246 nonsense when you are a big you negate your size advantage when you play on the perimeter . 7 foot but you shooting threes that's why the NBA sucks today . It is a three point contest . Nobody has a unique game everybody plays the same way . Dribble step back shoot a 3 that's not real basketball . Proof ? Ratings keep going lower and lower . Nobody hustles , boxes out or guards the ball and nobody can play the midrange game . The problem is they let a corny white man tell them to obey a computer how to play the game . That's why intelligent play is an afterthought . Nobody thinks the game anymore it's pathetic .
The rebounding stat and the assist stat are the 2 biggest overrated stats in the league. 4 offensive players are out at the 3 point line, the shot gets chucked up, clangs off the rim , and falls into the lap of one of the defense and he gets credit. No boxing out , no having to fight for the ball.
A guy hands a ball to some one or passes it to him 5 feet away. That guy goes up for a three , makes it, and the other guy gets an assist. Ridiculous
“Without anymore blah blah” lol I feel like you haven’t said that in a long time
I've been watching the NBA since 1975 up till about 6 years ago can't watch a full game anymore, it's boring!
Not just soft they don't play defense so the scores are crazy high now. Back in the day, the scores were low like the high 80s and mid-90s but the defense players played made getting your shot a lot more work.
I suggest dunks become 3 points and behind the line 2 points.
I tried hard to like this new NBA too. But I've been "trying" for 10 years now. And I have yet to watch a full game. Even the highlights are boring to me now. Personally its just the same junk over and over again. I do miss the 90s NBA era too.
I remember watching A.I. wanting to have that dog, even watching the commercials of his shoes wiht the injuries he had, those were badges of honor...
The euro step is simply traveling giving the offensive players the edge Oscar would kick ass just like he did in his area
And euro step is easier to stop of you're a good to great defensive player than trying to stop someone using hop step.
Euro step is not always a travel, but most of the time it is in the NBA.
Simmons was never Broke, his Dad was one of the best players of all time in Australia's NBL
Do it bro, 20 min video of modern day vs back in the day. So many times while watching ball the last couple years. That some of these guys dominating today wouldn’t be $hit
Spot on!
They have girls in them and not a Viking in them as men
I was born in 81 so missed out on the Celtics and lakers, remember the bad boys and of course the Knicks, pacers, bulls of the east, great physical rivalries in the nineties, miss those days, haven't really watched basketball since
This is why no players that came in the league after they took out hand checking are in the top 10.
White Chocolate is out of his mind. Oscar Robertson could absolutely play today and be great. Come on, man.
I'll tell you what Mr.David. set up a 3 game series with old school and New age NBA players.slap some mediocre rules and set em out on the floor. Should be epic.
haven't watched the nba since 2003.. nothing compares to 90s basketball
NBA changed to bring in more euro league players!🤔
Ironic because its all the americans that are flopping lol.
The best visual of today's game @ 8:51
I strongly agree ‼️🤦🏽♂️😆
They missed their calling, they should have gone for diving at the college
Like bowling pins lol
This Why NBA's Rating At All Time Low
No soft players on that BTM intro no doubt
Not many championships in that intro either.
Today's players can't compare to the older players. Compare a player like Ben Simmons to a
player like Isiah Thomas of the Detroit Pistons. When The Pistons played the Lakers in the NBA
finals Thomas severely sprained his ankle. He was hellbent on playing the next day. It was painful
to watch him run hard on his ankle. Back then players sacrificed their bodies. Nowadays a player
stubs his toe and he's out for the season.
I dont need to tell you Shawn: how honest these many ex NBA players were in your segment. Truth is just: the truth. The vast majority of Newbes to the game, can't see it--because this current NBA Era is all they've ever known. After those "Old Skool" guys era ended: real defence became the first casualty of the League--till now, any modern player who displayed the average skill sets of that previous era; is now called a "Two-way player." Amazing, when in the previous era, you where consider just a "complete player" that ALL player strived to be then.
Another great video!!!
Soft rules and shooting 3's with 29 seconds left on the shot clock is not worth watching. And the nba knows it. They allow traveling now to encourage player to get up in it.
The referees I think hold the most responsibility. Imagine if they didn’t make these weak calls and refused to call and acknowledge all the flops 🤷🏻♂️
You really should look into this thing called the NBA Players Association (aka, Union). The refs have _zero_ power.
@@mj23goat3 The league as well. They tell the refs how to call it. Seems like their goal was to increase scoring and showboating which took away from the game, and then there were also a few BIG fights in the 1980s and 1990's (as I recall), and so the league wanted to decrease some of the aggressiveness.
Around 1990, I once said to a coworker who played minor league ball for a while that the NBA/basketball wasn't as much of a contact sport as say the NFL, and he removed his teeth. It was damn physical back then.
I love watching old basketball games can’t watch new games… personally I feel replays and stuff ruined sports there to much looking back at thing the sports used to be what happens happens call a penalty/ foul or don’t and move on!
If Embiid is injury-prone in this era, imagine how short his career would have been back in the day (Greg Oden 2.0).
Im 70 ..so in the 60's i started playing Hoops..max out 70's
Without a doubt much more physical then.if you didn't BANG . your were not on the court period . In Indiana they
Beat the "softness out of you.Indiana High School Basketball back then was BRUTAL and the best.
This is a big reason why the regular season has become so mundane and hard to watch.
Adam Silver has ruined the NBA
They have been killing the game by continuously trying to make it a better family show.
I grew up watching 90s and i don't miss unsportmanlike, career threathening fouls.. BUT
1. I WANT GUYS TO PLAY, not SIT.
2. PLEASE, Contest the layups, and don't just be a p***y and be afraid of contact.
3. BRING BACK TECHNICALS when players bitch at the refs all the time. Yeah, I know Luca will foul out each game (and I'm a fan).
4. Let players wave finger or taunt opponents.. That's ok.
But, we don't need dirty plays.. just contest the shots and play physical by TRYING HARD!
Top video mate, I agree with you. I can’t watch the nba anymore it’s “bore-ball” I don’t wanna watch 30+ plus 3 point attempts a game from one team flopping is out of control…the salary’s are a big problem and why these players actually run the league now and this whole trade me mentality coz had a tiff with a fellow team mate or the management boo fn hoo!
SOFT NBA
100% agree! Not only is the lack of physicality weakening the game and the players, but the constant whistle blowing also allows increased rest time while on court! Anyone who has played knows what that extra 30secs to catch your breath can do!
It's harder than watching a bunch of 60yr olds playing a scrimmage and trying not to get injured! Yeah, we have our Westbrooks who hustle, our Kawhi's who play both ends, but that extra knock in the key, that final wall you hit when driving the basket, those are serious obstacles that vastly change the trajectory of the game! What is super annoying is that these rules and paths of ease have allowed a player like lebron to dominate statistically, and now at the end of his tenure they're slowly plugging back into some of the old way, thus ensuring lebron remains elevated in stats (not chips)!
As far as I'm concerned it is all far too obviously orchestrated.
The game has become younger so the level of mental maturity and competitive mindset has changed drastically. IMHO
In 20 years, they're gonna be talking about how tough Draymond was.
That has to stop.
Nothing but facts man
You had to really know how to play in the 90s. I see it when Team USA plays and gets beaten. The world is tougher on the court than we are right now. Sad.
It's not only the rules that made players soft. It's the money. They make too much, too fast. They don't have to work for it anymore.
Riddle me this: how come it feels like modern players get a minor injury and are out for weeks if not months, collecting their pay-checks.
While in the 80's where people played for peanuts in comparison and way more physical, you had no load management, no modern tech, how did people played more games?