Why you NEED to Remove DoD | RPM S7 E31
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2019
- On Today's Episode of the RPM Web Series, we finish up tuning the 5th gen camaro and c6 z06 from the last Episode. We also go into some more tuning specific details for cars and Fran's Zr1 goes back together in preparation for Street Car Shootout on August 10th.
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The best thing about AFM DoD is taking it all the way out of the engine, not simply shutting it off. It also provides a excellent excuse to add a better cam, larger injectors and a supercharger or turbo!
One of first mods was turning AFM off on my 2014 Silverado. On hwy still can get well over 20mpg. It's all gimmick. Great vids guys!
Completely understand Matt's frustration with the wiring on that Camaro. I've had to fix multiple "geniuses" attempts at wiring up stock systems, performance systems, and systems that didn't even belong. Those are the times you just want to duck tape the person to a chair and have Elmer fudd slap the crap out of them. Because even he knows better.
Damn that's a good improvement 80hp with just heads and tune.
“I’m sure you saw that gold tape and got hyped” lmao
The reason I always hated cylinder deactivation was that it's hugely inefficient from both a valvetrain and bottom end perspective. You shut down those cylinders but then you have dead weight in the rotating assembly that you still have to move. That means the other cylinders are now doing more work than normal which requires more fuel. So basically, like Fran alluded to, it's a corporate gimmick used to get around CAFE standards but doesn't work in the real world.
So not true. My 18 2ss on highway on touring mode gives me 35 mpg. I drove from NY to VA 2 times back and fourth. And the car only consumed half the tank. I drive in NY from Queens to Manhattan or queens to NJ and I loose half a tank in 1.5 to 2 days. Just making those short trips.
Highway vs city. But touring mode with cylinder deactivation doesn't work in the city it's bs.
@@JsBlazIN I understand, but you didn't do a comparison of that same trip without deactivation. I know guys with cars running factory cam profiles or similar making around 500 whp that get over 30 mpg hwy with the right tune. You might eek out a few more mpg but it's not worth the loss in around town mpg.
I learn something new every episode. Good shit!
Thanks for the lunch time upload!! Killer content as always
DFM or Dynamic Fuel Management is out now also. It can disable any of the 16 lifters.
Good point about the MAF sensor plug!
I want a set of those rpm valve covers too!
Interesting on 2015 Camaro SS LS3, sport mode , rev limiter 5800, top speed 141, drive mode down shift to 3rd and accelerate rev limiter is now 6300 and top speed 155 and a cute little sign appears telling you , you have reached top speed. Crazy as hell.
My MPG actually went up .2 after putting a AFM disabler on my ‘11 SS. Crazy...
You fellas are killing it😜
The blue 1le stage 5 is the reason why I didn't do the work my self on my white 1le ! Just take your car to RPM let them do it right from the gate .
I need that tune on my 5th gen
RPM , Have y'all ever thought of building a GM 8.1/496?
I mean technically it's just an LS big block built for truck applications and low rpm. But, with the amazing skill set in your shop aaannnddd your connections to have parts made to order🤔🤔.
I just wondered how much power you could ACTUALLY pull out of that forgotten middle stepchild of Chevy engines😏😎.
Dodge has that same cylinder deactivation crap when you’re cruising it goes to 4 cylinders makes my car drone like crazy but if you drive the car “manual” shift the gears yourself it won’t do it
My LH6 had that DOD with a bad lifter. Replaced cam with Howard’s ASA cam and LS6 and made 375 hp with 2.5” exhaust and Hooker cast manifolds
Just had Chevy fix a stuck lifter in my 15’ Tahoe . Definitely a issue.
Fran for president 2020
Seeing a C6 Z06 on the dyno and hearing it go through the rpm range. Sounds so sweet especially when it hits 7K. That blue on the Camaro looks really good. Its funny how people think they will be saving tons of money by doing the work themselves and then end up having to bring it in anyway. It takes money to make power. Doing it right the first time saves you the most amount of money.
6:30 lol i totally understand where Fran is coming from and i have my own experience with this lol 😂
Yup def a 2v mustang, parted out an 01 Bullitt I had that got totaled and was the biggest pain in the ass to get that starter off
This is a older video but for anybody that wants info you can perform 1 downshift from being in 2nd in "M" manual mode on 2012 L99 auto and it will automatically turn off AFM/DOD and it will never come on again as long as you leave it in manual using paddle shift. If you move it out of "M" manual it will return to AFM/DOD until you do that again. I have a convertible 2012 L99 2SS Brembo's package with Stainless Works Retro Chambered cat back system, NGK plugs, and Moroso wires. Other than that it's bone stock including tune. It won't even powerbrake. The computer from factory settings doesn't allow it. Hope this helps anybody..
I just bought my 10 ss with long tube headers,cai,and a custom dyno tune and it has cat delete.also has a stock exhuast I'm going to look for a exhuast to get and add the cat back on there and go stage 1 or 2 cam and do 3.91 gears and upgrad ethe torque converter.he said it's on all 8 cylinders costed him 550 in his tune but the cam and lifters are the same.its at 108k miles rn...decision decisions
What do you recommend as well ls7 heads? I'm looking for 500 to 530 crank hp
@@mikehogan5087 Hello, I forgotten all about this it's a couple years old. As far as adding a k&n air filter it's still stock. I'm over 50 my wife is getting close to it. We do have big plans for the drivetrain but it's still a couple years out. It's approaching 140,000 miles and it runs great. It has just started the 10 to 20 second lifter death tap on a cold start. It's faint but it's getting time to tear the block down and get into it. I can only suggest what we are looking at it's not a race car it's a convertible and we just enjoy cruising. I am going Texas Speed all the way with their heads and cam package. The package also deletes AFM/DOD. TCI or something similar transmission with a carbon fiber driveshaft. There is a performance shop near route 66 drag strip that's going to do the whole package when we get to it. Some paint and body work to get it looking new again. I might post a video online when it's complete and we get a dyno and everything. Just keep looking on TH-cam for something a couple years out from now. Happy cruising..😎
My family's old '09 Yukon XL had AFM, and one of the lifters went bad. I'm not sure which cylinder it wend bad on, but I have a feeling it was either cylinder 4 or 6. Not long after that issue presented itself, they traded it in on a new GMC Terrain lease. Tiny little turbocharged 4-cylinder, with the god-awful start-stop "feature". I hate it.
I used a super chip to disable the AFM. Increased gas mileage.
What kind of rwhp does the 1LE pick up with
Rotofab cai
Equal length longtubes (kooks) or (corsa)
And a tune?
I'm curious, just bought a new 2020 Camaro 1ss 1LE. There are a lot of Mustangs around where I live here in southern Ohio.
4v. Not a big deal, extensions through front to reach starter bolts. Just like the top bell housing bolts too
How much are you leaving on the table with catted headers vs cat-less
I know exactly what Ford starter he’s talking about, changed one on an F150 and the rear bolt was already out from whoever changed it before lol
The way matt looks when Steve corrects him is priceless watched it 100 times still dieing
Intertweened??
Blink face
I’ve never heard of intertweened...
Blink face
Ok, continue.
Not just the startup, it takes much more fuel etc.. To restart the damn thing!
Funny how this throwback is exactly what happened to my car and i had to figure it out myself.
Previous owner put a cam in my 2016 chevy ss but didnt do valve springs, lifters or anything else so 30k miles later theres a collapsed lifter. i ordered the dod delete kit as soon as i got the cash, now to just get the labor done and my car wont be a 4 cyl. i told my gf this too lol.
As a 25 year technician people need to understand just because we've done a job 100 times shouldn't have any relevance on the cost to do it. Just because we have become efficient at something we should charge them less. They should think that we have a great amount of experience with the job so they know it will be performed correctly and in a timely manner and that is what they are paying for. Just my 2 cents!
9:35 was Matts "fuck you" face to Steve. Classic!
Yep I have the same problem with my 11 2ss it ticks when u start it up I need to pull the intake and check and see if the bolts for the dod plate are loose I really want to do a cam and delete long tubes and tune
Cost me 5000 to fix my g8 when the dod failed put in a btr stage 3 cam
Fran looks like the Giants off of Clash of Clans
That stock c6z with only heads holy fuck thats awesome
Yup. 4.6 Fords. I never put that 3rd one back in. It's insanely difficult to reach. They could have put that one bolt in reverse and it would have still been easier.
Edwin Lomonaco Ive gotten it off ez a couple times with a few extension and no problems
a back yard mechanic showed me how
@RaceProvenMotorsports Top notch work as always guys!
It is the 2v mustang. You make some new words when removing the starter lol
Amigo, acabo de comprar el KIT DOD DELETE, necesito alguna reprogramación para después de instalarlo? o puedo hacerlo y posteriormente llevarlo al taller? o no puede conducirse si antes no reprograma?
Man I remember my starter went out on my 83 mk2 supra and noticed the top bolt was left off. Needless to say when I changed it out I left that bolt off too bcs it was impossible to do. Lol
Saw you guys along Delaware river Sunday evening. Hope white Vette was ok.
Are any of the LS engines available without AFM? I hate that you have to take the heads off to replace lifters that was never the case with old V8s. I don’t know much about these new engines but I hope those plastic sleeves aren’t the only thing that keeps the roller lifters from spinning. Because I’ve heard where that has happened to almost new engines.
the worst thing about fricken stop start cars is when I am behind them at a set of lights and the light goes green and I have to wait 2 hours for the fucker to get moving while I am holding my clutch at the friction point.
I'm sure I watched something about this start/stop shit a while back and that same question was asked about wearing the starter motor out and I think they said there's a separate starter for the stop/start function...lets add more weight then? Genius! I drive my car in sport mode so my stop/start is disabled through that thankfully!!! I'm on team Steve...BMW :D
You've got more stuff to worry about if you drive a BMW.
@@jacobcurtis6849 like? 🙄
Except we have a Hurts Donuts here.... LOL
I was so excited to try those, I like Krispy Kreme more.
Agreed but I only lost 2 mpg by doing a tune on mine. I didn't buy the car to look at a gas needle. I love mine that has it turned off now n it doesn't sound like a damn Subaru.
I resonate with this on a spiritual level. 19:50
RPM, To the camera operator/producer/editor. @ 14:50 it may have looked nice to have a "side to side before and after slide transition?" to really show off his nit pick work🤔🙂
As always though, great work👍
I've never put that top bolt back in on those Ford starters.. lol 🤣😂
My radio for my C6 has its own speaker for the ding's and the volume is adjustable.
If you have aftermarket radio yeah. sadly oem didnt do that.
I’m so glad I got my turned off too lol so annoying.. next is the conversion and then cam it up!
Did yours vibrate or shutter when it was active ?
@@triggas80 no it just droned so it sounded obnoxious when you cruised. But I finally finished my cam swap and got rid of all that stuff.
I'm just curious mine seems to studder when I'm barely pressing the gas just cruising. Seems to only do it when they 4 cylinder is active. Goes away when it kicks into all 8
I can drive it in paddle shift mode and it never does it. Rides smooth
@@triggas80 ahhh yea I did hear if you run it in paddle mode it locks out DOD and keeps it off.
They get it. I said the same about start/stop cars. I hate it. Doesn’t make sense. Unnecessary wear. Chevy needs to discontinue that cylinder shutoff mechanism. GM always creating unnecessary problems with these concepts. Do what works and reliable and let it be
They integrate that bs into cars but they discontinue the Camaro smh
So guy that did stage 5 himself basically just messed up 2 things but know will pay how much in repair?
The DoD system sounds like it works like a jake brake on a diesel and no, not the "exhaust" brake on your brodozer that's just a flap in the exhaust.
Mustang starters: Yup, your right on that extra bolt. Screw it, its not needed and a PITA to put back in. You need an extension that extends to the accessory belt and beyond.
Curious, how much does the technicians get paid a week for their skills?
Barely enough to get by . The shop owners are making the big bucks. So if it's a slow shop mechanic getting commission may only make 100 to. 200 weekly if it's a good shop. Maybe 600 to 800. Including dealership mechanics.
@@juanlanda2441 wowwwwwww😱
My moms 2017 jeep she owned had the start stop thing and they have 2 starters for it although it's still very annoying
Damnnn wtf! I got the same mods and I only made 370 rwhp… I’m tryna get that tuner
I was wondering I have a tr 6060 it feels funny could I bring it in and get it checked out
Can you do a 5th gen Camaro with on3 turbo kit in one of your videos
Being disabled I have to drive an auto. What's an average cost to get the DoD removed because I've heard it fails after so many miles.
Do you guys work on old vettes? 1979 coupe to be exact
thumbs up right at 56 seconds
I’ve replaced countless afm lifters in the 5.3s it’s usually cyl 7. Always replaced the vlom since they are controlled by oil pressure. Bad design
The start stop jokes 😂😂💯
My Charger has cylinder deactivation too and I hate it. When I do a cam it will be gone, but for now if I run in sport mode, or use the ZF-8 in manual mode it doesn't kick in. There has been some speculation too that it is linked to the dropped valve seat issue some 345 hemi's have had and the very light 5w-20 oil that has to be used for the cylinder deactivation to work properly causing the lifter issues.
The amount of HEMI cam/lifter failures we've seen is insane. This is part of the reason why we now offer lifters for Gen III/IV HEMI's and just released a new line of cams for them.
@@Compcams1976 do you this these failures could be related to the thin 5w20 oil need for the cylinder deactivation?
@@ryotaryuu partially, but a lot of people seem to attribute it to the lifters themselves.
What if I like racing with 4 cylinders 🤪
OnlineCarShow then get a Focus RS, BTW love your channel.
Get a Civic.
Adam Griffin lol. Yeah already have the focus ST daily. 😂👌. Can’t wait to delete the DOD on mine. Thanks btw 🙏
Captain 345 okay I traded my 2018 camaro SS 1LE for a 93 civic. What now? 😬
@@OnlinecarshowNet1 ler the VTEC kick in.
Wow didn't know DoD was that intrusive. Any mods and they're coming out. F-that. That red Camaro made 60 ft. lbs (+42 hp) on a tune and headers alone. That's impressive. You guys know what you're doing 👍🏼 What makes this video better is that Matt explained some technical things on the blue Whipple Camaro that you might not hear about. Pretty cool. Keep doing that.
Do the 6th gen 1LE's have DoD?
The auto do (6gen)
Great info and great channel.
Can you please let me know how much it cost for the build on the blue camaro at the end of the video?
Call or email the shop if you are serious about a build
@@RaceProvenMotorsports ,
The shop owner looks like Fidel Castro. ☺ Just kidding.
Love your videos, looking forward to having my ZL1 stage 4 done by RPM. 👍
Hey Fran I have been subscribed for a while now I don't talk much if anybut I am a gm guy throw and throw but I do work for gm I to have notice a louder noise from aftermarket stereos now tech 2 is for gm cars that are 2012 to 13 and below and anything that is more than that is gds2. And the answer is no you can not lower the beep sound beleive me I have tried just pull the radio fuse then you will not have to worry about it
Yes I know. I have an MDI module also. Just never tried to lower it or look into it
SS sounding mean at the end 🤤
My 2012 Caprice has it, and if you put it in engineering mode, you can see that it barely even goes into to 4cylinder mode. So no, it really doesn’t save any gas.
Mine like jumped in and out of it multiple times a minute. The fuel efficiency bounces between 18 and 30 on the highway. Turned it off because I imagine that working as a oil pump straight out the exhaust pipe
what that dod never caused issues for years or anything >.>
C7 ZR1 update in the future?
I imagine your driver seat was never the same
Hahah @5:07 “wtf is that?” Hahah same shit i do..
When I replace head units in GM vehicles I wrap the chime box with several wraps of electrical tape....problem solved
He named all modular based engines in mustangs. Yes you leave that FUCKING bolt out lol
Matt with that look! lol
I hate start stop. You can shut it off in a lot of cars but a lot make you turn it off every damn time you restart the car. They make a cheep plug in module that kills it. I hate where cars are going
Can you just tune the DOD delete out instead of having to buy whole kit & cam?? Really didn’t wanna buy a cam just yet😂😞
Yes but that doesn’t remove the afm lifters they can still fail.
When my afm lifter failed, I did a l99 to ls3 conversion
I love it my guys rpm keep up work and love video and I love Camaro ss bad ass me Chevy gang all day for life 💯💯💯💯💯👍
Does a 2015 GMC Sierra 5.3 have AFM/DOD? I'm looking at a couple, but don't want this sh!t to deal with.
Then get a diesel. Problem solved...
@@brandoncaldwell95 I don't want or need a diesel.
@@RL-RL I didnt need one either but it helps get away from the bullshit. DEF is easy to delete. Truck also lasts 4x longer.
AFM most certainly is a sales ploy. It DOES NOT improve gas milage. My '14 silverado lifted and 33.6 off road tires getting 19+ mpg. I rest my case.
Lolllll
A good excuse to put a nice cam in the engine.
Mmmmmm l have a nice cam in mind.
Some of the crane retrofit cams work well for a street engine one in particular comes to mind 216-224 115 lsa.
😈😈😈😈😈
How much does a dod delete with a ls3 cam cost?
Around $2600 for a stock LS3 cam
So... the square CAN fit in the circle... WTF WHIPPLE?!?!?!
It’s the ford 6.4 diesel
Do the LT engines have DOD?
Lt1 based motors have dod lt2 have dfm or dynamic fuel management
@@Bmackins94 what's the difference?
@@rafatrill the dfm can run on one cylinder at a time while the afm runs on four
@@Bmackins94 do they both have those spring weird lifters?
@@rafatrill yep
Yep mod motor starters suck.
Yeah it's just them trying to get parts like the lifters to fail so you have to buy more parts. Who in the world is buying a camaro to save gas?
Got to love snobby mechanics that don't want to work on your car because it's too difficult for their manicured nails. LOL
Intertweened is what I said!