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Dear LG, here's how to sell more OLEDS. Bring back the A series and make it everything the B Series is but with no TV tuner or Smart features. Then sell me a 77 inch for $1400. Everyone's happy!
They can't afford to do that because as Fomo says, they've eliminated LCD products from their range almost entirely. They have ignored Mini-LED while other brands are cleaning up at the big-size end of the market at amazing prices. LG have painted themselves into a corner here, putting all their eggs into the OLED basket and being unable to offer 77"/83" at a significantly cheaper price. They NEED to reduce prices significantly if OLED stands a chance of surviving, otherwise it IS eventually going to go the way of Plasma, but it's hard to see how they can possibly afford to drop prices enough to make a difference at this point - they'd just lose even more. And producing anything affordable above 83" is obviously not going to happen, so Mini-LED will continue to dominate at those 98"-100" sizes, while the technology improves and gets even cheaper. I love OLED, but it's in big trouble. The purists and die-hard fans won't be enough to save it.
I own a LG C2 83" OLED that is installed in the living room for two years now. I just bought an Hisense U7K 100" for the home theater room. The picture from the Hisense looks surprisingly similar to the LG OLED quality when viewed in a dark room, but the immersion due to the size is amazing experience. When you compare an OLED TV side by side to an LCD, the OLED will always look better, but having both TV's I will definitely preferer the Hisense due to the size and great picture quality.
Thank you in advance for covering large screens, we know OLED's are the best tech however some of us (who can fit them) are ok with 85-90% performance with 150% immersion of 98 panels. 98/100" is the new 65" (remembering way back when at the time I got one of the first 65" plasma and everyone gauking at the size of the TV lol). Btw, really like your new format!
@@PSYCHOV3N0M false. he's talking abot plasma, with 1080p, so long time ago. itsthe reality and maybe more difference what was a giant tv in 2008 and now. when you say 98/100" is the new 85" its just few years ago, before giant tvs are a bit lower price and people want bigger size last years
I think when you’re talking 100 inch 8K will be enough that it’ll be identical to the resolution you get out of a 35 mm film strip, so it’s actually really cool they’re getting to be sizes of a 100 inch
Could be a great thing for LED tvs to stay relevant going against OLEDS at this very large size. The immersiveness alone is a plus factor. Imagine if 100 inch tvs become the new normal size everyone starts buying especially if the price is between $3500 to 5000 dollars. Hummm something to think about. 😊
To be honest the TVs are so good now, that the small difference of MiniLED in shadows detail is easily made up by immersion due to size and vivid HDR colors. Plus at 100'' size, the MiniLED are small enough to have minimal blooming, if not any with good software. For me at 9-11 feet distance, perfect size is ca. 80-100 inches. So that would be perfect! I will take 8K Mini LED 120hz VRR ALLM 100% DCIP3 2000 dimming zones 100'' TV over 77'' S90C which I got for 2000€ any day.
I would still pick the 83in oled over the 100in. Infinite contrast and blacks all day. But yeah just the average Joe looking to buy may pick the bigger set. They don't know any better.
Most reviewers - "Sony OLED is the best tv of 2023", (forgetting to mention the size limiting factor) maybe at the 65" size but doesn't even compete in the larger sizes. Thanks to Fomo for shedding light on the larger panels, maybe not OLED tech but today's Mini LED's are very close and many would choose emersion in the larger panels versus getting the best tech in what is today a small panel.
this won't be a "review" but more of a business strategy discussion! ALTHOUGH I will have the Sony 98" in for review I won't have anything next to it for comparison LOL
Im ready to pull the trigger on a 98" / 100". This is going to help in a big way for my decision making. There are some serious deals going on right now!
Agreed, I'm in the UK selling TVs, I sell Hisense a lot because the price to picture and sound quality ratio can't be beat by any brand. When the 85 and 100" U7K came out we sold all the stock within the retailer I'm based in in the first week. Now its constantly a forward order because they get bought as soon as they come back into stock, this is in a small shop of the chain I work in, I can't imagine what it would be like if I was in a "superstore". It costs £3500 here currently, if price drops to price of a 77" C3 ie £3000 then I will fly them out the door.
well, i don't think i can fit anything bigger than a 90" in my living room, but they better make 100 & 110" OLEDs fast, so that the smaller sizes will drop in price too
Appreciate the video. 100 inch is great. I’m giving up my 4k 120 inch projector for the Hisense mini LED tv. So I can watch tv anytime. Currently I can only watch the projector at night. Back in the days, a 100 inch tv was £100,000.
Oleds only do certain things well, overall I still prefer a stupid bright lcd. I want the Chinese versions of TVs like their 115”. Bigger is always better
Well you have to wait for Hisense or TCL. Because I'm pretty sure they will release 115" TV. It all depends on if enough people are people buying their 98-100" TV. That and, whether they can production of the screen cheaper.
When 110" 8K is available in the USA I'll be very happy to get by until the OLED or equivalent is available. Very exciting, but probably still wish the 97" OLED would come out in 8K thou also might be even better since the Hisense is still very noisy with eye strain in comparison.
I have a lg c8 and a vizio OLED. Once it’s time to upgrade the basement tv to a larger size I’m thinking of going for the 100” due to size. A gigantic tv for sports and video games sounds amazing. Half the time with kids I don’t get to watch stuff that utilizes the superior image quality anayway.
As much as I've been a projector enthusiast, it's days are numbered. I'm sure the Hisense at least is on par with a JVC and likely far superior in HDR.
Projectors can do 150-inches or more. You're delusional if you think its days are numbered. 🤣🤣🤣 UST projectors are growing in popularity year after year. I now own a Sony A95L but it still doesn't provide IMMERSION like a projector can.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M they can of course do 150" or more, but unless you are using a projector like the Sony GTZ and spending $80k+ you're getting nowhere near the brightness for HDR that you can with a flat panel. I own both a projector and an OLED and for $4k if something comes close to size with superior performance, it will become harder to justify.
My experience is that people care more about the combo of size and price. Hisense 100" U7K is cheaper than even their own 100" L9H projector and blows the PQ of it out of the water, this year there will be 110" from Hisense so I just don't see the point of Laser TVs/projectors especially when they have fixed screens.
@@stopthefomo but you also have to explain why. Unfortunately, the A80L isn't any better overall. In addition, 83 inch panels still have the problem with DSE! The A80L is also not future-proof for 2023, for example in terms of brightness, on the contrary, it is disappointing. So I don't understand your recommendation? an A90J is from 2021, but a new model doesn't mean better and an A80L certainly doesn't.
I still don't really see a need for 8k, I mean a 4k 100 inch is the exact same pixel density as a 50 inch 1080p...honestly, there really isn't any need to go to 8k unless you are sitting really really close to your TV. And getting good HDR out of a 4k is a lot easier than out of 8k. How close are people sitting to their TV's??
Ok, lets get in to it. First Sony and LG did not abandon LED, they never tried with full array/mini LED Tech. In 2016 when oled hit, Sony responded a year later with the beautiful E 900 and Z9D and never did any better than that. Than Sony went oled completely and gave us washed out colored led Tv's after, and has limped on ever since. LG has never had a decent led tv that they did not have to over hype to sell, when you talk about crap, that has always been LG style with LED. Now there is a more advanced form of HDR coming soon, and knowone is talking about it. From what it looks like the only Brands preparing for it is TCL and hisense, this HDR will be 3000 and up of the nit brightness that oled tech can not and won't ever be able to hit not even quantum oled with out over heating. You think TCL and Hisense put out there prototype 5000 nit tv's this year just because. No it's bcause the advanced HDR will be 3000 and up. As of 2025 any tv that can't hit 3000 and up will not support the new HDR coming soon. All LED needs to do is produce 12/16 bit color and improve there picture processing and oled will be what it has been from the beginning, an ageing technology. As for contrast/black levels, LED has been 75 percent there for the last 2 years and has been getting better, a great exsample, the TCL Q7, standard full array with high contrast and is 25 percent behind oled black levels. All TCL and Hisense need to get right in 2024 is better BT2020 coverage and step up there processing alittle more, there very close behind Sampsung when it comes to picture detail and clarity. I think if Sony and LG want to make tsome money back, they need to try TCL and Hisense hard with there LED TV's. I mean every year when Sony LG and Sampsung don't step up, TCL and Hisense are just getting closer and the premium prices are becoming devalued. There letting the under dogs set the line of diminish and returnes.
I'd have a hard time not going with the 100" hisense at that price. I have a 65" Hisense u8g and a 55" Sony a80j. Nothing beats an oleds pictute quality but size does matter.
But it doesn't end there. They are also moving forward with much brighter miniLED and also more zones. 5000 nits, 5000 zones and imagine that in 85" and 100" TVs and they have better price points. Imagine strong enough Sony processing handling 5,000 zones. It would be game over for OLED IMO. There would be virtually no blooming, and micro-contrast with that amount of zones will be close to OLED. Also shadow detail in real life means the "ultra contrast" of an OLED isn't even realistic. They have issue with near black because of inability to light them up but so little they only display near black. It either becomes all black or too lifted.
Here in Canada I spent some time with the 98” Samsung Q80C and the 98” Sony X90L and both are pretty darn decent and I can get the Q80C for $7800 CAD and the Sony for $9600 my cost these TVs have come down a lot in price to an affordable range and I suspect they will go even lower. I didn’t have the chance to go to Best Buy and see the TCL so I can’t comment on that one but when I can get the 98” Q80C slightly cheaper than the 85” QN900C that tells you just how much large TVs have come down.
I'm a Sony fan boy and I would definitely buy a 100" U8K (or even U7K) over the 98" X90L. There just aren't enough dimming zones in the Sony to give great dark scenes. The Samsung is an epic ripoff with only 120 zones are 98", that is extremely poor for the price you pay. At least the Sony has the Sony image processing pedigree, still far far too expensive, it should be 5000 max when you get what you get from Hisense for 4000 and less.
Always wanted a 98/100 tv but after viewing the TCL 98C735K when it was first released in the Uk I wasn’t that impressed I loved the size but not so much the PQ so ended up with the 85 QN900B which is amazing Now the new models are getting so much better I’m really tempted to sell my 83 C1 a go with the 100 inch hisense or the TCL X955 when it’s released Waiting patiently on the price hopefully it will be this year
Unfortunately it's not on display anywhere in the UK afaik but the 100" U7K is amazing for the money (currently 3500), TCL has a 98" with a slightly lower but similar spec for 3200 but the problem is their uspcaling, motion and gradient handling sucks vs 2023 Hisense so sub 4K looks crap on such a large screen. I definitely recommend taking a look at a 65" U7K somewhere for a reference for the picture quality, he 100" is even higher spec with many more zones and more brightness so if you're happy with the 65" image quality (99% of people i show it are amazed considering the price, eg £600, £849 and £1300 for 55-75") then you'll love the 100" even more. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have about it here, cheers 🍻
Oh I forgot, the 75" U7K is in many shops of major retailers around the UK but don't use it as a reference cause its got a different (lower native contrast) panel to all the other sizes so 65" is your best bet to see the proper black level and blooming performance for the 100" model.
@stopthefomo By that time Hisense will have released their 110-120" TVs and will be half the cost of a 97" OLED. Hisense made a great business decision to focus on these large LED TVs.
That's a tough choice of whether the immersion experience is worth sacrificing great picture quality. Saw my first 98" TLC TV at my buddies house and was blown away with the great immersion but I'm a picture quality guy and couldn't watch it very long on regular content because of the crappy picture quality! Gonna have to wait for another 5 years till a 98" Sony comes out that looks like the picture quality of a Sony A95L. Fomo, you are so right that tons of people are going to buy these cheap, crappy looking 85" and 98" TVs instead of the great 65" and 77" TVs. And one of these crazy people just might be me! Thanks for your great future analysis that bigger is better.
That 98 TCL your friend has is probably an entry level model, Hisense U7K and U8K look amazing at 100" with 1500+ dimming zones and 1500 nits of brightness. I definitely recommend the U7K, I have very happy customers sending me pictures of them in their house saying its amazing and immersive.
@jrerobert once u get up to the top end flagships from samsung and sony, anyone will be impressive. The best looking TV I've ever seen is the samsung s90c OLED, but QN95C should be good as long as it's a VA panel.
Great video. Slightly unrelated question to the video but I’m looking to upgrade from my qn94a as I want more than one hdmi 2.1 input. Obviously you’ve got the big 3 LG G3 Sony A95L S95C also S90C but I’m conflicted on what to get. It will primarily be used for gaming as well as the odd movie or tv show. I pretty much want something that can do it all and not just succeed in one category. Any one have any suggestions I’d be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Hey @Stop the FOMO do you think highsense would do well to resurrect the U9DG dual cell design at 100 inch? I feel like it’s lack of motion. Clarity wouldn’t really detract much because at 100 inch you’re talking cinematic experiences. Think of a 100 inch dual cell LCD at say $7500 up against a 98 inch OLED for $10,000 My current set up for projection is a pair of Nebra Anybeam, MEMS, laser projectors in Nvidia surround. I get about a 109 inch image out of that and it’s capable of infinite contrast ratio and comparable motion. Clarity to an old-school CRT running at 60 frames per second
Dual cell is dead because diminishing returns - too expensive to set software up properly and not bright enough to even beat OLED? Not worth the premium
LG is doing the same big mistake like they did with smartphones !!! From 2021 they are not producing smartphones anymore !!! They are going in the same wrong direction with tv’s !!! THEY ARE NOT THINKING AT ALL !!! 😢
Sony is overpriced! I wonder how many of their A95L King of TV they are going to sell? Not many especially because most people can’t afford them! Size is king! Hisense understands it!
I’m surprised more hasn’t been said of the demise of projectors with tv coming in at these sizes. Factor in that TV at that size will bring in more color and daytime view ability to picture (pun intended) unless you want to rock a 150-200 inch screen, I say it’s a wrap.
I got the 55 inch U8K this week from Walmart. It was on sale for $698.00 and they also added an additional 30.00 of Walmart cash that reduced the price to $668.00.
Damn 😢 and i’m waiting for one of you guys to finally review it. We have it in Europe, seen it in the shop and now got me thinking Sony’s 77A95L, 83A80L or TCL X955 98”.
Hello FOMO, very informative all your videos. Looking for some guidance: I presently have a Samsung 75" UHD (UN75RU9000FXZA), connected to my Denon AVR-S750H receiver which I have connected my Fire Stick 4kMAX. With all the QLED, Mini-QLED, Neo-Qled and OLED not user which route to take. As many user looking to get the most bang for my buck, yet want Quality! I am not a gamer, but would take advantage in the future and purchase a gaming console. I mainly watch my tv channels via a streaming app, as well as watch TH-cam content and Prime video. Since BIG is the new norm, looking at either 85" or 98". Guidance Please!! Thanks in advance, keep those reviews coming !!
@stopthefomo This is like comparing a Toyota or Honda to a Kia or Hyundai. You might not get the best engine from a Toyota or Honda but you’re definitely getting so much more with a kia or Hyundai…
Hyundai , Kia. Poached d TOP enginners from Luxury brand : INFINITI/ LEXUS. Over Decade ago. N they re designed all the Kia n Hyundai from scratch. Almost modeled after d Luxury Infiniti/Lexus but put “cheap car body” to mass sell , to corner the market . Ppl used to Hyundai/Kia nowadays. If they want to “upgrade” , try BMW X3 X5, Mecedes c300, Audi A3, Lexus r300….they will be like “this SUCKS, bumpy, small, over priced, premium gas/ insurance, n feel like in a HOnda Civic paying 3X price. WHY is Subaru Impreza WRX so bumpy?? Why is Mecedes 8 Seater G wagon so stiff??” And Kia Hyundai used to be d 2 Worst Brands, now since they RE vamped their design/quality ,,,they are d PREFEREd brands. A LOT of ppl PREFER HYNDAI/KIA over entry /mid level “premium cars”. Because u sit INSIDE d cars when driving. What looks outside doesn’t matter it gets old quick. U sit long enough u ar used to butter fluid comfort, Intuitive handling…NO bumpy , less swing in stop n go traffic. U cant go back to bumpy Glorified “premium CARS”. I always always always vomit in my friends’ BMW/MECEDES. I have gotten into Mecedes G wagon in Uber .worst car ever so ugly n stiff. D thing is ppl drove those cars, they have NO been in HYNDAI/Kia, they ar NOT going to WANT to bother trying it out, cuz its like :”how is it possible” ???
Didn’t care about 8k up to 85 inches… but once you get to that 100 I think I’ll want to wait for 8k since I like to lay very close for the full immersion
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FOMO, I have an opportunity to get a Sony A90J 65" for $1780 New, should I do it? Or should I get a newer TV? HELP!
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I know 3 families who recently bought 85-98 inch tvs recently here in Sweden. Definitely picking up the pace these large screens. 😍
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Dear LG, here's how to sell more OLEDS. Bring back the A series and make it everything the B Series is but with no TV tuner or Smart features. Then sell me a 77 inch for $1400. Everyone's happy!
Yes, and being is an 83” for $2500 and it would sell like hotcakes. Or even $3000
They can't afford to do that because as Fomo says, they've eliminated LCD products from their range almost entirely. They have ignored Mini-LED while other brands are cleaning up at the big-size end of the market at amazing prices. LG have painted themselves into a corner here, putting all their eggs into the OLED basket and being unable to offer 77"/83" at a significantly cheaper price. They NEED to reduce prices significantly if OLED stands a chance of surviving, otherwise it IS eventually going to go the way of Plasma, but it's hard to see how they can possibly afford to drop prices enough to make a difference at this point - they'd just lose even more. And producing anything affordable above 83" is obviously not going to happen, so Mini-LED will continue to dominate at those 98"-100" sizes, while the technology improves and gets even cheaper. I love OLED, but it's in big trouble. The purists and die-hard fans won't be enough to save it.
I own a LG C2 83" OLED that is installed in the living room for two years now. I just bought an Hisense U7K 100" for the home theater room. The picture from the Hisense looks surprisingly similar to the LG OLED quality when viewed in a dark room, but the immersion due to the size is amazing experience. When you compare an OLED TV side by side to an LCD, the OLED will always look better, but having both TV's I will definitely preferer the Hisense due to the size and great picture quality.
Thank you in advance for covering large screens, we know OLED's are the best tech however some of us (who can fit them) are ok with 85-90% performance with 150% immersion of 98 panels. 98/100" is the new 65" (remembering way back when at the time I got one of the first 65" plasma and everyone gauking at the size of the TV lol). Btw, really like your new format!
I remember when some people thought a 32 inch tv was big. This is many many years ago. 😊😮😮
False.
98-100 is the new 85.
85 is the 65.
65 inch TV's look small now.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M false. he's talking abot plasma, with 1080p,
so long time ago.
itsthe reality and maybe more difference what was a giant tv in 2008 and now.
when you say 98/100" is the new 85" its just few years ago, before giant tvs are a bit lower price and people want bigger size last years
I am loving this fomo show concept. Especially ones talking about future tech.
Me too😊😮😊
@@michaelwyckoff7593 Me too
I think when you’re talking 100 inch 8K will be enough that it’ll be identical to the resolution you get out of a 35 mm film strip, so it’s actually really cool they’re getting to be sizes of a 100 inch
Could be a great thing for LED tvs to stay relevant going against OLEDS at this very large size. The immersiveness alone is a plus factor. Imagine if 100 inch tvs become the new normal size everyone starts buying especially if the price is between $3500 to 5000 dollars. Hummm something to think about. 😊
To be honest the TVs are so good now, that the small difference of MiniLED in shadows detail is easily made up by immersion due to size and vivid HDR colors.
Plus at 100'' size, the MiniLED are small enough to have minimal blooming, if not any with good software.
For me at 9-11 feet distance, perfect size is ca. 80-100 inches. So that would be perfect!
I will take 8K Mini LED 120hz VRR ALLM 100% DCIP3 2000 dimming zones 100'' TV over 77'' S90C which I got for 2000€ any day.
I would still pick the 83in oled over the 100in. Infinite contrast and blacks all day. But yeah just the average Joe looking to buy may pick the bigger set. They don't know any better.
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It's about time some reviewer start reviewing the larger TVs. Mostly all you can find on youtube is 65" tv reviews! Thanks
In layman’s terms reviewed a 100” TV a long time ago.
Most reviewers - "Sony OLED is the best tv of 2023", (forgetting to mention the size limiting factor) maybe at the 65" size but doesn't even compete in the larger sizes. Thanks to Fomo for shedding light on the larger panels, maybe not OLED tech but today's Mini LED's are very close and many would choose emersion in the larger panels versus getting the best tech in what is today a small panel.
this won't be a "review" but more of a business strategy discussion! ALTHOUGH I will have the Sony 98" in for review I won't have anything next to it for comparison LOL
Im ready to pull the trigger on a 98" / 100". This is going to help in a big way for my decision making. There are some serious deals going on right now!
While the TV is not in stock, Walmart is currently listing this 100U8K at $2998 ! Imagine how many units they could move at that price point.
Agreed, I'm in the UK selling TVs, I sell Hisense a lot because the price to picture and sound quality ratio can't be beat by any brand.
When the 85 and 100" U7K came out we sold all the stock within the retailer I'm based in in the first week. Now its constantly a forward order because they get bought as soon as they come back into stock, this is in a small shop of the chain I work in, I can't imagine what it would be like if I was in a "superstore".
It costs £3500 here currently, if price drops to price of a 77" C3 ie £3000 then I will fly them out the door.
@@Kuranghi For some reason Walmart only sells the U8K online, it's not available in the store.
Totally agree with what you are saying...however, I am going to buy a 55 inch LG G3...still good buy?
You can’t go wrong with any G3
a fine selection and easily enjoyable for HDR and sports and gaming!
well, i don't think i can fit anything bigger than a 90" in my living room, but they better make 100 & 110" OLEDs fast, so that the smaller sizes will drop in price too
I just got an A80L 77” should I return it for a S90C?
The 100" is now only $3k helluva deal
Appreciate the video. 100 inch is great. I’m giving up my 4k 120 inch projector for the Hisense mini LED tv. So I can watch tv anytime. Currently I can only watch the projector at night. Back in the days, a 100 inch tv was £100,000.
Oleds only do certain things well, overall I still prefer a stupid bright lcd. I want the Chinese versions of TVs like their 115”. Bigger is always better
Well you have to wait for Hisense or TCL. Because I'm pretty sure they will release 115" TV. It all depends on if enough people are people buying their 98-100" TV. That and, whether they can production of the screen cheaper.
When 110" 8K is available in the USA I'll be very happy to get by until the OLED or equivalent is available. Very exciting, but probably still wish the 97" OLED would come out in 8K thou also might be even better since the Hisense is still very noisy with eye strain in comparison.
Interesting, but if you have OCD about your TV being perfect I'd hate to deal with returning it.
I have a lg c8 and a vizio OLED. Once it’s time to upgrade the basement tv to a larger size I’m thinking of going for the 100” due to size. A gigantic tv for sports and video games sounds amazing. Half the time with kids I don’t get to watch stuff that utilizes the superior image quality anayway.
Is the 100” Hisense good for next gen gaming (PS5)?
As much as I've been a projector enthusiast, it's days are numbered. I'm sure the Hisense at least is on par with a JVC and likely far superior in HDR.
Projectors can do 150-inches or more.
You're delusional if you think its days are numbered. 🤣🤣🤣
UST projectors are growing in popularity year after year.
I now own a Sony A95L but it still doesn't provide IMMERSION like a projector can.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M they can of course do 150" or more, but unless you are using a projector like the Sony GTZ and spending $80k+ you're getting nowhere near the brightness for HDR that you can with a flat panel. I own both a projector and an OLED and for $4k if something comes close to size with superior performance, it will become harder to justify.
My experience is that people care more about the combo of size and price. Hisense 100" U7K is cheaper than even their own 100" L9H projector and blows the PQ of it out of the water, this year there will be 110" from Hisense so I just don't see the point of Laser TVs/projectors especially when they have fixed screens.
No way. 😂... Only if tv can get to around 120 to 135". I own a projector and 100" is small for movie. Good for TV show
Hey FOMO ,would you buy a Sony A90J in 2023 ?
No, for a similar price/size I'd get the A80L at 77" or 83"
@@stopthefomo but you also have to explain why. Unfortunately, the A80L isn't any better overall. In addition, 83 inch panels still have the problem with DSE! The A80L is also not future-proof for 2023, for example in terms of brightness, on the contrary, it is disappointing. So I don't understand your recommendation? an A90J is from 2021, but a new model doesn't mean better and an A80L certainly doesn't.
I still don't really see a need for 8k, I mean a 4k 100 inch is the exact same pixel density as a 50 inch 1080p...honestly, there really isn't any need to go to 8k unless you are sitting really really close to your TV. And getting good HDR out of a 4k is a lot easier than out of 8k. How close are people sitting to their TV's??
Hisense u8k 100 inch dropped to $3000 from Best Buy…so it or Sony 85 inch x95l? That’s my dilemma.
Is the PQ on the 100” U8K the same as on their 65”?
I am still seeking reviews on this matter. So far I see 1 bad review on customer purchase on best buy
I got the 100u8k currently and i prefer it over my quality 65 c1
Ok, lets get in to it. First Sony and LG did not abandon LED, they never tried with full array/mini LED Tech. In 2016 when oled hit, Sony responded a year later with the beautiful E 900 and Z9D and never did any better than that. Than Sony went oled completely and gave us washed out colored led Tv's after, and has limped on ever since. LG has never had a decent led tv that they did not have to over hype to sell, when you talk about crap, that has always been LG style with LED. Now there is a more advanced form of HDR coming soon, and knowone is talking about it. From what it looks like the only Brands preparing for it is TCL and hisense, this HDR will be 3000 and up of the nit brightness that oled tech can not and won't ever be able to hit not even quantum oled with out over heating. You think TCL and Hisense put out there prototype 5000 nit tv's this year just because. No it's bcause the advanced HDR will be 3000 and up. As of 2025 any tv that can't hit 3000 and up will not support the new HDR coming soon. All LED needs to do is produce 12/16 bit color and improve there picture processing and oled will be what it has been from the beginning, an ageing technology. As for contrast/black levels, LED has been 75 percent there for the last 2 years and has been getting better, a great exsample, the TCL Q7, standard full array with high contrast and is 25 percent behind oled black levels. All TCL and Hisense need to get right in 2024 is better BT2020 coverage and step up there processing alittle more, there very close behind Sampsung when it comes to picture detail and clarity. I think if Sony and LG want to make tsome money back, they need to try TCL and Hisense hard with there LED TV's. I mean every year when Sony LG and Sampsung don't step up, TCL and Hisense are just getting closer and the premium prices are becoming devalued. There letting the under dogs set the line of diminish and returnes.
I'd have a hard time not going with the 100" hisense at that price. I have a 65" Hisense u8g and a 55" Sony a80j. Nothing beats an oleds pictute quality but size does matter.
It's 3,500 now
I have scREEN RECOEDED SOME 100” u8k in home 🏡 review pic/ short videos on Asian site . I wonder if I should upload it lol😅
But it doesn't end there. They are also moving forward with much brighter miniLED and also more zones. 5000 nits, 5000 zones and imagine that in 85" and 100" TVs and they have better price points.
Imagine strong enough Sony processing handling 5,000 zones. It would be game over for OLED IMO. There would be virtually no blooming, and micro-contrast with that amount of zones will be close to OLED.
Also shadow detail in real life means the "ultra contrast" of an OLED isn't even realistic. They have issue with near black because of inability to light them up but so little they only display near black. It either becomes all black or too lifted.
Here in Canada I spent some time with the 98” Samsung Q80C and the 98” Sony X90L and both are pretty darn decent and I can get the Q80C for $7800 CAD and the Sony for $9600 my cost these TVs have come down a lot in price to an affordable range and I suspect they will go even lower. I didn’t have the chance to go to Best Buy and see the TCL so I can’t comment on that one but when I can get the 98” Q80C slightly cheaper than the 85” QN900C that tells you just how much large TVs have come down.
We cant get the 85” UX. So sad this yr. 😮
I'm a Sony fan boy and I would definitely buy a 100" U8K (or even U7K) over the 98" X90L. There just aren't enough dimming zones in the Sony to give great dark scenes.
The Samsung is an epic ripoff with only 120 zones are 98", that is extremely poor for the price you pay. At least the Sony has the Sony image processing pedigree, still far far too expensive, it should be 5000 max when you get what you get from Hisense for 4000 and less.
Me too,quallity over immersion by me,if set is not too small.
Always wanted a 98/100 tv but after viewing the TCL 98C735K when it was first released in the Uk I wasn’t that impressed I loved the size but not so much the PQ so ended up with the 85 QN900B which is amazing
Now the new models are getting so much better I’m really tempted to sell my 83 C1 a go with the 100 inch hisense or the TCL X955 when it’s released
Waiting patiently on the price hopefully it will be this year
A 100” screen is the best way for everything
Gone with the 100 inch hisense m8 being delivered next week @@michael-4k4000
Unfortunately it's not on display anywhere in the UK afaik but the 100" U7K is amazing for the money (currently 3500), TCL has a 98" with a slightly lower but similar spec for 3200 but the problem is their uspcaling, motion and gradient handling sucks vs 2023 Hisense so sub 4K looks crap on such a large screen.
I definitely recommend taking a look at a 65" U7K somewhere for a reference for the picture quality, he 100" is even higher spec with many more zones and more brightness so if you're happy with the 65" image quality (99% of people i show it are amazed considering the price, eg £600, £849 and £1300 for 55-75") then you'll love the 100" even more.
I'm happy to answer any questions you might have about it here, cheers 🍻
Oh I forgot, the 75" U7K is in many shops of major retailers around the UK but don't use it as a reference cause its got a different (lower native contrast) panel to all the other sizes so 65" is your best bet to see the proper black level and blooming performance for the 100" model.
@@Kuranghi we could have a Gamechanger here boys!
Too bad the 97” OLED is still priced for the 0.1% of the population!
should be under $12K in 3 years!
@stopthefomo By that time Hisense will have released their 110-120" TVs and will be half the cost of a 97" OLED. Hisense made a great business decision to focus on these large LED TVs.
@@stopthefomo lol
That's a tough choice of whether the immersion experience is worth sacrificing great picture quality. Saw my first 98" TLC TV at my buddies house and was blown away with the great immersion but I'm a picture quality guy and couldn't watch it very long on regular content because of the crappy picture quality! Gonna have to wait for another 5 years till a 98" Sony comes out that looks like the picture quality of a Sony A95L. Fomo, you are so right that tons of people are going to buy these cheap, crappy looking 85" and 98" TVs instead of the great 65" and 77" TVs. And one of these crazy people just might be me! Thanks for your great future analysis that bigger is better.
That 98 TCL your friend has is probably an entry level model, Hisense U7K and U8K look amazing at 100" with 1500+ dimming zones and 1500 nits of brightness. I definitely recommend the U7K, I have very happy customers sending me pictures of them in their house saying its amazing and immersive.
Fomo nice video buddy. Fomo please advise if you feel the X90L is better than the QN95C?
I very much doubt it.
Not better, the X95L is a better comparison but for that $$ I'd pick the S90C over the QN95C
It depends on the use case. It has a better processor for streaming and a lower price, so that's 2 wins 😂.
@jrerobert once u get up to the top end flagships from samsung and sony, anyone will be impressive.
The best looking TV I've ever seen is the samsung s90c OLED, but QN95C should be good as long as it's a VA panel.
@@stopthefomo Thankyou Fomo. Love these videos! Keep em coming!
What are the chances Hisense will make a
110 inch mini led TV in the near future? If so I'm in.
Great video. Slightly unrelated question to the video but I’m looking to upgrade from my qn94a as I want more than one hdmi 2.1 input. Obviously you’ve got the big 3 LG G3 Sony A95L S95C also S90C but I’m conflicted on what to get. It will primarily be used for gaming as well as the odd movie or tv show. I pretty much want something that can do it all and not just succeed in one category. Any one have any suggestions I’d be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
If gaming is your priority, get the samsung s90c, it’s the best gaming tv that u can buy right now.
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Hey @Stop the FOMO do you think highsense would do well to resurrect the U9DG dual cell design at 100 inch?
I feel like it’s lack of motion. Clarity wouldn’t really detract much because at 100 inch you’re talking cinematic experiences.
Think of a 100 inch dual cell LCD at say $7500 up against a 98 inch OLED for $10,000
My current set up for projection is a pair of Nebra Anybeam, MEMS, laser projectors in Nvidia surround. I get about a 109 inch image out of that and it’s capable of infinite contrast ratio and comparable motion. Clarity to an old-school CRT running at 60 frames per second
Dual cell is dead because diminishing returns - too expensive to set software up properly and not bright enough to even beat OLED? Not worth the premium
Are the superbowl prices somewhat similar to black friday deals fomo ?
LG is doing the same big mistake like they did with smartphones !!! From 2021 they are not producing smartphones anymore !!! They are going in the same wrong direction with tv’s !!! THEY ARE NOT THINKING AT ALL !!! 😢
Be careful with Samsung I don't think any of there TV's support Dolby vision
Sony is overpriced! I wonder how many of their A95L King of TV they are going to sell? Not many especially because most people can’t afford them! Size is king! Hisense understands it!
Even I was thinking about getting the LG QNED 85
I’m surprised more hasn’t been said of the demise of projectors with tv coming in at these sizes. Factor in that TV at that size will bring in more color and daytime view ability to picture (pun intended) unless you want to rock a 150-200 inch screen, I say it’s a wrap.
Will be there to check this one out buddy. 😊
Hope you enjoy
But I change my mind and went to Hisense
I prefer qled to oled
100 inch $5000 Hisense or 77 inch $5000 Sony a95l?
now 100" U8K is $3500, that's crazy
Want to buy a tv for Black Friday and I keep hearing about tcl qm8 and Hisense u8k
Hisense U8k is the "best bang for the buck" tv.
I got the 55 inch U8K this week from Walmart. It was on sale for $698.00 and they also added an additional 30.00 of Walmart cash that reduced the price to $668.00.
What about new TCL X955 with 5000 nits? when review?
Not available in the USA hopefully next year?
Damn 😢 and i’m waiting for one of you guys to finally review it. We have it in Europe, seen it in the shop and now got me thinking Sony’s 77A95L, 83A80L or TCL X955 98”.
$3,499.99 RN @BB still unavail but price dropped
Hello FOMO, very informative all your videos. Looking for some guidance: I presently have a Samsung 75" UHD (UN75RU9000FXZA), connected to my Denon AVR-S750H receiver which I have connected my Fire Stick 4kMAX. With all the QLED, Mini-QLED, Neo-Qled and OLED not user which route to take. As many user looking to get the most bang for my buck, yet want Quality! I am not a gamer, but would take advantage in the future and purchase a gaming console. I mainly watch my tv channels via a streaming app, as well as watch TH-cam content and Prime video. Since BIG is the new norm, looking at either 85" or 98". Guidance Please!! Thanks in advance, keep those reviews coming !!
samsung s90c using the same panel as the Lg c3 ?? no way!
Only at the 83 inch size
The 77 inch is using QD OLeD tech
A peak brightness pushed to 3000 cd/m² and not 4000nits em 2024 lg samsung sony 😢
Damn another great video FOMO. You make thee strong points. 👍😎
@stopthefomo This is like comparing a Toyota or Honda to a Kia or Hyundai. You might not get the best engine from a Toyota or Honda but you’re definitely getting so much more with a kia or Hyundai…
Not sure I understand what you’re saying
Hyundai , Kia. Poached d TOP enginners from Luxury brand : INFINITI/ LEXUS. Over Decade ago. N they re designed all the Kia n Hyundai from scratch. Almost modeled after d Luxury Infiniti/Lexus but put “cheap car body” to mass sell , to corner the market . Ppl used to Hyundai/Kia nowadays. If they want to “upgrade” , try BMW X3 X5, Mecedes c300, Audi A3, Lexus r300….they will be like “this SUCKS, bumpy, small, over priced, premium gas/ insurance, n feel like in a HOnda Civic paying 3X price. WHY is Subaru Impreza WRX so bumpy?? Why is Mecedes 8 Seater G wagon so stiff??”
And Kia Hyundai used to be d 2 Worst Brands, now since they RE vamped their design/quality ,,,they are d PREFEREd brands. A LOT of ppl PREFER HYNDAI/KIA over entry /mid level “premium cars”. Because u sit INSIDE d cars when driving. What looks outside doesn’t matter it gets old quick. U sit long enough u ar used to butter fluid comfort, Intuitive handling…NO bumpy , less swing in stop n go traffic. U cant go back to bumpy Glorified “premium CARS”. I always always always vomit in my friends’ BMW/MECEDES. I have gotten into Mecedes G wagon in Uber .worst car ever so ugly n stiff. D thing is ppl drove those cars, they have NO been in HYNDAI/Kia, they ar NOT going to WANT to bother trying it out, cuz its like :”how is it possible” ???
Now i realized what is means by bigger siže is everything bought 2times 65 now I need 77
No 8K No sale.....especially for the price you are paying......
really? 8K is still a thing??
Didn’t care about 8k up to 85 inches… but once you get to that 100 I think I’ll want to wait for 8k since I like to lay very close for the full immersion
Yeah....I may go with an 8K tri-Laser Short Throw at 120 inches......@@tylermarie4118
Samsung Q990C exists lol, tho for $35000 I think most people would buy a small car before a 100 inch 8K tv
The Chinese might be 2 steps behind now, but 💵 to 🍩 next year they may only be 1 step.
Someone buy my qm8 85😢
Oled is horrible
Hisense working some qled sorcery
Hisense is jumping in leaps and bounds. 😊
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