MCN Scrambler Group Test | Review | Motorcyclenews.com
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- We take 3 of the latest Scramblers to the North of Italy and put them through their paces on road and off road to find out which carries the Scrambler name best.
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Awesome, you read the comments and slowed your speech. Huge difference compared to the first reviews and I can actually understand every word you spoke! Keep up the good work
First time watching this guy and This is slowed..wow? He really needs to work on his delivery and articulation...you'd think they could pick up someone a bit better for camera work.
Most of the people that diss the Scramblers are the same that buy a 1200GS and ride it 99% on freeways. The ones that have MX bikes, I won't say nothing about them, because style is definitely not important for them (not that is something bad). The irony is that the Street Scrambler looks more like a classic desert sled than the Ducati Desert Sled. Either way, all 3 are beautiful bikes. To each his own.
Although you know we have come a long way when it comes to specialised sector bikes you must remember back in the day Triumph T120 TT,/R , TR6Cs, BSA Hornets were all raced off road quite successfully so all these bikes are capable, it's just there are fully dedicated dual sports that can do better.
Not sure the desert sled scrambler is fair comparison to the other two bikes. This model Ducati was design to address complaints of the stock scrambler not being off road enough.
Thanks for the review. As a side comment I will just say that in many reviews that I have watched involving BMW's parallel twin I have never ever seen a reviewer (or a bike magazine) stating a very particular feature of BMW's engine: an amazing safety feature on a T-shunt and the only reason why I still have a right leg on my body...and this raises another matter: almost no reviews if any at all do focus any content on safety and that can go from lights (lumens/distance of front lights for example) to how their brake / ABS (non-ABS) systems perform...or anything else involving safety.
Excellent review, your a brilliant reviewer you talk with a lot of passion, very thorough. We defiantly need to see more of you. Keep up the good work!
Only one for me. The desert sled.
agreed
kind of sad how triumphs scrambler is a joke compared to the desert sled, always loved triumph it’d be nice if these other companies actually tried to make a bike that looks great and can actually do everything.
The price difference between these bike in Australia is HUGE. You could buy the triumph and a z650 for the price of the BMW, and the ducati is in the middle.
Scrambler is $19,000 ride-away... I'd prefer the BMW.
@mark dark But that makes no sense, since the Triumph is the prettiest and the BMW the ugliest. So the prices should be the other way around.
@@1985cactus the triumph was before they wanted to pretend it could go offroad
@@depress0coffee Crazy, here in Canada a desert sled is 14 out the door.
Desert sled 🔥
Reviews should always list the price of each bike.
its gives you a comparision between the bikes.
I own a ducati scrambler, have done for 2 years and still love it, puts a grin on my face everytime, I've had the suspension reworked by maxton and it really has made a massive difference, just enough power to excite and handling to match. mega bike.
I've got a Full throttle for a year now and I've also love it. Engine is great, power is just right on the road, lacking a bit top end crazyness but that's what you'd expect from a 75hp bike. I just put Diablo Rosso II on it and they perform really really well. Used the Bike for everything, going to work, having fun on the weekend, it never let me down, even at 4°C it was doing good.
Impressed with the review .... a little while since it was posted ..... but relevant to me; thanks.
would you recommend the Ducati for a Roadtrip around Europe? No highway, only national road and of course some offroad riding. I would ride around 300km per day.
his getting better this guy, i changed my mind don't sack him LOL
The presenter's speech got much clearer. Well done!
There are still a few spots where his words got mashed up together due to higher speech "cadence", but it's a step in the right direction. Maybe some speech coach could help. After all, it's a skill like any other and it can be learned/trained.
You heard it here, from an englishman no less.
Ducati = Real Scrambler / off-roader.
BMW = Best on street.
Triumph = Hipster bike
paradigmshift7 Really? After all these years, people still use the term "hipster"? You do realize you are judging style, which is ok, as long ase you don't define it.
Hey, if the flannels, beards, and the goggles fit ... that's your prerogative. All jokes aside though, what does the Triumph offer aside from cashing in on the retro scene? "Scrambler" in name only.
paradigmshift7 They're pulling the same trick with the Scrambler as they are with the Bobber... It's all a marketing exercise. I'd take the Ducati or the R Nine T over the Triumph any day.
They are all hipster bikes.
+Torgny Haartveit Oh yeah? What do you ride? Bikes on Mariokart don't count.
Love my Desert Sled! Though I hardly take it off-road. Mostly city riding, and every so often a day trip into the mountains. It actually works quite well as a supermoto.
I'm thinking of getting one! Can you put some luggage on it for urban driving?
@@2011FcPorto SW-Motech has some luggage options for the Sled. I don't have them on my Sled, but generally, they make good stuff.
Hot hot does the engine get because I have heard it gets really hot and makes the rider too hot..Only heard it on one review so might not be a valid criticism
@@Markdmarque When you're stopped in traffic in the summer, yes, it's get a little hot, but not unbearably so.
@@arjenbootsma6881 thanks.I love the look of the bike because of its retro styling and a good useful engine size.My only other concern is the servicing costs because I have heard that it can be expensive plus no way to easily reset service warning indicator
LOL! A Desert Sled 'is a proper off-road bike' only if you don't compare it to any proper off road bikes. At 203kgs and 200mm wheel travel it's up there with the new Africa Twin or a KTM Adventure in terms of suspension but lighter in weight - more like a Hypermotard. However, real dirt bikes like the WR250R or the KTM 500 EXC (which are also road legal) have 275mm-330mm wheel travel and weigh 130kgs or less. As soon as you venture beyond flatish gravel & dry grass, you'll appreciate the difference immediately.
A Hughes: yet those bikes are near the duc in price but have a smaller fuel tank and have a much higher seat height; those 3 things are the biggest reason for me in going with a non traditional Enduro or dirt bike
The desert sled is more oriented for and "all rounder" rather than pure off road. The suspension is decent, it has 19 inch instead of 21 and weights around 210kg. These stats don't scream off road but they certainly manage better than road suspension set-up, 17 inch street tires 220+kg. Of course a dual sport like a crf250 would be better off road but the Duc is decent enough to be able to go while still being better on the highway or on twisty roads
Good to see the "newbie" improving!
Does the Ducati feel under powered compared to the much bigger engines BMW?
If we're going to make distinctions between scramblers and ADV bikes, isn't there a need to distinguish between "off road" - I.E. gravel/fire roads and "off pavement" - I.E. one trackers?
This ducati is an amazing bike. My problem is I'm only 5 7" so bit too big for me
I think if you're talking a Scrambler bike which suggests it should be able to handle on road as well as off road then really there's only one real option from your comments and that is the Desert Sled.BMW for some stupid reason persist with 1200 cc where what is required if they want a flat twin Scrambler that is able to go on / off road then they need to shed some weight. They need to go down to at least 600-800 cc. I think for agility overall you're really looking at 400-500 cc. If you can't pick it up then you have a problem-it needs to feel comfortable and manageable off road.
they're just lovely
3 bikes only?
Great review
this is a fantastic review.
Desert Sled Owner here and it's a Really Good Bike
Hey up! Mumbles is back. I'm warming to him actually. haha
Nice review - well done! Would love to see a comparison - on and off road - of the Ducati with the new Honda CRF250 Rally. The Duc is twice the price, is it twice the bike?
No
If you wanted the perfect blend of on-road / off-road capability why bother with a "scrambler"? BMW F800GS or Triumph Tiger Xc? Or are we all waiting for the KTM 800 which is bound to be awesome.
Agreed. Initially I when I saw ads that these Scramblers are coming with very affordable price tag, I actually thought "one of those might be nice second bike to buy". Now when they're here, at least in Finland ie. Desert Sled is priced new at around 16 000 euros. Absolutely fucking ridiculous. I was most definitely not expecting them to fell into that price range.
When that music plays i expect a fat guy in Eastern Europe chopping up a wrecked BMW lol
David C .whats the song called?
I love this review.
I picked the Sled
The triumph is a city bike only? it's not.
You can apparently use it in towns too.
KrisMOTO23 Also rideable through dark alleys
Well it will certainly be better in a city than knobby tires and high suspension or a 1200cc boxer motor poking at the sides
Go off-road with that triumph you’d soon lose that rear brake caliper
Not much off road in England, unless you include Tesco car parks!
I'm surprised he's surprised that "ducauti" is competent off road
Vapid. Buy them all. They’re all lovely. Now please pay me.
Steve mcqueen rode Triumph scramblers. Good enough for the king of cool. Definitely good enough for me . Triumph all the way. 👍
I'd love to see the Desert Sled compared to supermotos.
Like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Off road the Duc might stand a chance because of traction issues on street tires by the supermotos, but on street the engine isn't massive and the weight difference of the summos will probably make them more fun anyways. It's a very good all rounder though, probably one of the best bikes to own if you want something that can do everything quite well
The Hyper is a better compare to the true sumos.
DS for me!!!
Simply the Ducati for genuine off road work and if you have lots of money the BMW. The one that does it all (not serious off road though) is the Street Scrambler. I would say Triumph do take this off road at their training camp; new knobblies and Fox suspension make the Triumph into a real off road beast - so it can go off road. I use my own Triumph Street Scrambler 95% on road and in this environment it excels. I have a centre stand and fender extender fitted; these are nice extras plus the Triumph fly screen keeps some wind off and doesn't detract from the bikes looks. Has to be the Triumph for me it has my vote! But the other 2 are really good looking bikes too. Ducati and BMW have produced good looking and able products so not in any way knocking either of them. The new 2019 onward Sreet Scramblers have 10 hp extra and Brembo brakes so you might want to consider this, but for me horse power is irrelevant; it's all about real world torque and the pre 2019 Street Scrambler and the 2019 onward ones both have the same torque.
Which model shocks did you use? I have the 2019 and haven't upgraded the shocks yet.
@@PercyJackson93 no still have the standard ones fitted only
The lower Weight and cost clearly go with the Ducati! Why even have that ton of bricks Triumphs and BMW in the contest this is basically marketing. 525lbs Triumph. Ducati comes the closest to a desrt scrambler400lb Ducati.
Desert scrambler of the 60's like the gold standard Norton P-11 390 lbs. Norton P-11's were probably the original all around bike to but without a starter. P-11's were raced on the desert, cafe and flat track. My father raced his P-11 in scramblers. He went on trail rides in the Sierras along some nasty canyon trails around what is now the Molakof diggins state Park. he later converted it to street with cafe bars and seat. The Ducati is the only real only you get a warrantee, starter disc brakes less vibration etc etc. DUCATI!
RnineT big??!! I find the Triumph way clunkier and bulkier. You can really flick the BMW around the road. way more nimble.
You should've brought the triumph XE
These seem to be purely an aesthetic styling exercise.
waiting for the ninja 1000 sx review.
They already did that though.
not a proper one..it was in complete rain somewhere in europe.
Just looking at them you know the Duke would be the best off road. Beemer to heavy, low. Triumph is an atheistic scrambler.
YAMAHA SCR?
No Yamaha XSR 900!?
ThaKenMan I would never take my XSR off road!
There wouldn't be any around to admire it or hear the badassery of my IXIL pipes! :)
Ducati ❤
I think the Triumph is more capable than the BMW offroad
Honestly if motorcycle companies truly wanted to make a scrambler get some small (250-650)cc bike such as yamaha's r3 engine, hondas 500cc and others
The proposed Norton Scrambler may do the trick?
@@dave6467 May have done, if Norton hadn't gone bankrupt.
@@arjenbootsma6881 I'd forgotten all about this comment from 2 years ago. Yes, it's a shame.
What a great Ducati ad! Oh wait...
R90 😍😍
I'd be put off the Triumph and Ducati by the tubed tyres.
Has the Ducati Scrambler been proved to be reliable?
1990 As far as i know the Ducati has tubeless tyres.
Only the Ducati Scrambler models with cast wheels have tubed tyres.
1990 I just confirmed, the tyres on this Desert Sled are tubeless!🙂
1990 The Classic and Enduro tyres have tubes.
That's interesting. Good to know. I wouldn't want a bike with tubed tyres.
I have been looking at all types of bikes, tourers, sport, adventure and supermotos.
These so called Scramblers are just a waste of money unless u have a lot and want a fashion statement.
They are not made for nothing apart going around town on hot sunny day n sitting outside a coffee shop next to it and then ridding home.
Then you havent tried one... It can go everywhere. And its very very fun
triumph
1- looks triumph. but too heavy and underpowered and heavy compared to the ducati. the bimmer heavy, ungly terrible looks
so for me dutati is the go
first,,,
beautiful review guys.
Motoguzzi, scratch the B
The BMW looks like crap
knobbly tires
Save $10,000 and buy a Honda XR650L..
What a boring bike, gutless wonder.
Ducati is a "proper off road bike" k...
Believe me ive done some off road in my time and i wouldn't pick any off them. Africa Twin much better all round
True, but I'd say the Africa Twin is more comparable to a Tiger 800 XC or F800 GS. The Desert sled fits in between a traditional scrambler and those other adventure bikes.
Totally agree mate. I just cant understand anyone wanting to take any of these bikes off road when there are much better bikes out there which are a lot better built for the purpose, hence the Africa Twin or XT for example. These bikes are basically hipster fashion bikes
I'd want to see a comparison between an Urban G/S with the (no extra charge) spoked rims and knobblies and the Desert Sled. Actually scratch that, I can tell you right now
Desert sled is lighter, more practical for trails
G/S is heavier, better for adventure/rally type stuff
I hate when u call triumph cheap
All Euro bikes.. 2 made in Asia. Not sure the Beemer. None of the are true offroaders. All pretty. But knowing this they might as well of added the Benelli.. Indians off-road that Italian road bike made in China all day...
R9T is made for midgets sadly. At 6”1 I couldn’t bare my scrambler anymore.
Where is the yamaha? Lol
still waiting for someone to buy it.
Pretty much. They would of been better off using the MT/FZ07 as a base for a scrambler rather than the bolt. Check out the concept for the Yam T7, they could quite nicely create a retro/hertiage take on that
At the local moto show they even had a Fz07 based custom built scrambler there. 20 feet away the actual one they still try to sell :D
You don't need to be an expert to say which one is for offroad and for city. Thanks for nothing
Now that ducati has the desert scrambler nobody is gonna buy the "normal" scrambler anymore. it's by far the best choice over the standard model. also: i find so stupid and counterintuitive that among their line they made a "cafe racer" ducati SCRAMBLER...c'mon they are different things. maybe the name scrambler for the base model it's a bit of a bad marketing choice since i see the desert sled as the real scrambler.
I would have bought the Ducati had they not put those idiotic low pipes on them.
You can get a high pipe for them if you want.
So there terrible on long trips on the highway & there not that good off road.
I dont see the point of these bikes. Perfect for Middle aged hypsters with too much money
well, 690/710 are the real scrambler
Cut the crap music, we want engine noise.
Sadly the Triumph badge is just that, a badge. The triumph is poorly finished compared with BMW.
Nyan cat.
MCN dude, you are speaking from pre conceived notions based on marketing and clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Triumph and the BMW...
Ehhhhh "modern Scramblers" if you want a Scrambler then make one yourself otherwise it's not a Scrambler it's a half ass "Scrambler look"
where can I get the old good Yamaha 1972 RT2 360 scrambler these bikes are road bikes scrabble bullshit
Ducati only , rest old man 👴 bikes junk ….
the term "city bike" or "great for going around towns" is pretty lame. says nothing other than its not a Ducati 916 og Boss Hoss wich are very bad at going around towns.
Distance on the R9T …. I managed 50 painful miles…. Shocking suspension!