Legends say that during the conflict a blue and white Tiger with a unicorn on its tail appeared and downed half a dozen Fishbeds while Japanese music blared on the comms of both sides.
- mission fuga - awakening - temptation - we know what you did - on the move - Dogfight You could play any of them to that vid. they would all suit well. ;-)
yeah and legends say it was piloted by a 15 yo born in space too. In the real world between training and avionics the only time commie aircraft hold up to their western competition is in particularly favorable conditions IE numeric superiority, surprise, significant altitude advantage.
@@coolfungame8467 he's calling b.s. also I think he's referring to the complete fantasy that many nations suffer regarding their air power particularly in asia. The Chinese claim they can actively track all of our aircraft. I find that amusing considering we weren't capable of tracking our B2s. At the end of the day the Mig21 aka the fishbed is just fast. In every other sense particularly in avionics the F5 is a superior combat aircraft.
Certainly we hear from Northrop fighters. We hear from them all the time....kinda. McDonnell Douglas sort of stole the F-18 from them, eventually making it a Boeing product. The F-18 is a development of the F-5, via the YF-17 Cobra.
Interesting side note: After the fall of South Vietnam, the Russians had a fly-off between captured F-5A models and the MiG-21. While they expected that the MiG would win, the F-5 beat it in just about every category.
The F-5, is so good is still in service across the world, and heavily modernized. Even Irán copied it. The problem with the F-5 is that it is a light fighter with the shortcomings it means.
A fight between a heavily updated F-5E (Brazilian F-5EM/Thai F-5T) and a heavily updated MiG-21 (Romanian LanceR C) would look like any modern engagement.. BVR, then helmet-cued 60g HOBS missile.. man, modern electronics are very compact nowadays.. they can transform these things to a 4++ gen fighter.. provided the airframe has some life left.
I spent 2 months in Romania as an F-15C maintainer. It was great getting to watch the MiG's fly around and I got to watch a Romanian Air Show while I was there. Of course I also got close up looks at the MiG-21 LanceRs. That updated cockpit of theirs looked awesome! They have the best looking MiG-21's around. I have also been to Thailand, they had the first F-5's I ever got to see in person and the only JAS-39 Gripens I've seen too.
While i do think F5's are sexy as hell i doubt the modernized thai/brazilian ones are gen 4+ jets. Though i would really like to see them (in the form of the F-20)
Cool! I honestly had no idea these two aircraft ever encountered each other in real combat, you learn something new every day. The DCS engagement was a pretty interesting piece, too. Great vid.
A few years ago, I was in south Korea at kunsan for a few months. Usually nothing flying except F-16s that I was working on. One night I was launching my jet and got to watch a pair of F-5s takeoff followed shortly by 3 harriers. Those tiny little twin burners were quite impressive at night :)
I've been interested in the Ogaden War for a long time and I've never heard it come up unless I was specifically looking for information about it. I had no idea this video would be about this war and it's really a treat. Thank you!
I really enjoyed the airmanship. both the MiG 21s did the best to evade, engage and attack to kill. those two MiG pilots worked out their tactic. one being a bet and other taking down the attacker. Great video
@@PilotPhotog I enjoyed it with all my heart. Will love to see air battles of the middle east. Involving the Six Day War, Iran Iraq war, the Yom Kippur War. Top choices being aerial battles in dogfights between USAF, IAF and united Arab Air Forces. The crazy Egyptian MiG 21 fighter (split S at 3000 to 3500 ft) who was engaged by Giora Epstein, is the most memorable and heart pounding dogfight. Cheers.... 😎😍👍
The USAF quickly discovered the F5 has little chance of winning a 1v1 when fighting in the vertical. MIG pilots know this (ALWAYS ASSUME YOUR ENEMY KNOWS AS MUCH ABOUT YOUR AIRCRAFT AS YOU KNOW ABOUT HIS) the RP-21 radar the MIG does have a "look down" problem as it can not see an aircraft due to reflections from the ground. (GROUND CLUTTER.)
Your analysis of the MiG-21 sounds more like a MiG-21S or M than a MiG-21bis, which was/is capable of carrying up to SIX air to air missiles, including all-aspect R-60M's. Unless the Somali MiG's were less well equipped? I've no idea about this specific scenario. Either way, great video! *edit - Somali's in '77, probably MiG-21M's, right? Think they got the Bis in '79
Yeah your MiG 21 video was amazing but this was also an amazing video. It would be nice if PilotPhotog released a separate vid on the Fishbet because it's just such a historical aircraft
@theScottishKoala I do believe the Somali Air Force was operating the M version...Cap and the Reapers flew the bis version as that is what is in DCS...Cap mentioned the disparity but I should have been more clear with the description. Thanks for commenting and looking forward to working with you!
@@PilotPhotog So far I know they operated the MF version (izd.96F) so with better engine than M but worse than bis. And AAMs - I think they had only R-3S the original Atoll missiles, Ethiopians had AIM-9Js and Israeli pilots in cockpits. Anyway. F-5 was better in combat, Soviets themself compared them (they got some F-5 from Viewtnam after the war - one F-5 even got into the Czechoslovakia, non flying condition, but in Aero they did some reverse-engeneering on it. Now it is in the Museum in Prague.
The fact remains , victory in any dog fight largely depends on the skill and aggressiveness of the fighter pilot , this fact has been proven since WW1 .
You do know it was originally called the f17 cobra right? It competed against the f16 for the next light aircraft for the air force. The f16 eventually won out but the Navy saw a lot of promise in f 17. They had it modded for carrier duties.
Thank you for your service and I just watched a NASA T-38 take off at Ellington Field near Houston. My next video is about the Advanced Tiger and a company that is performing upgrades to F-5s as part of a modernization effort. Should be out Wednesday. Check it out when you can and let me know what you think!
Well it's all about how you train your pilots ! In the recent past , a Mig 21 Bison (upgraded Mig 21) of the Indian Air Force shot down an F 16 of the Pakistani Air Force ... So it's not just the planes , but also the hours you spent day and night getting to learn about your plane and get the best out of it !
@@leadsonline149 I remember very well , it was a Mig 21 Bison that was shot down . And the fact that , restrictions imposed from the US itself (you'd probably know the reasons) , caused no major upgrades in the fleet of Pakistani Air Force's F 16 which made the dog fight between them not so one sided , so !! And the fact that Balakot was not even in POK but Pakistan and India bombed it makes it much clear about how Pakistan uses its "Chinese" resources !
F16 and MiG 21 has too big a gap to make pilot skill compete effectively. Pakistan AF are also professionally trained, and no one would let a rookie out with their important asset in a war. 2 Migs down is the more probable outcome. Real life isn’t Ace combat
Leads Online 2 Migs down where reported, but it is possible one of downed was an Su30. This could not make to the news due to sever geopolitical consequences
@@MNanme1z4xs Mig 21 Bison is not even close to F 16 . Not in even , one single aspect ! It was guided by the Mirage 2000s and backed by Su 30 MKIs . These are the planes which have the mettle to shoot down an F 16 . It was just , the Bison was the one who took the shot at the very moment , it got an opportunity ! And , any dumbster knows , there is a generation gap between these planes , but it would be false to say that one day , in a dog fight any 4th gen fighter would be unable to take down an F 22 or an F 35 !!!
For more information on the Ogaden War: African nations organized the OAS (Organization of African Unity) in Addis Ababa (Ethiopia) in 1963. There, representatives of the states agreed on the "sanctity of (colonial) borders" (successfully limiting the number of INTERSTATE wars in Africa). This however, meant that along the line of Saharan Africa (roughly between Islam/Christianity), there would be a number of conflicts (South Sudan, Nigerian Civil War, etc). Even then, Somalis expressed their desire that Somali majority areas in Kenya (Northern Province) and Ogaden (in Ethiopia) should be united with their brethren in Somalia, which was immediately censured by the Ethiopian host. Somalis bid their time, trying to unify their state (which didn't work out too well), until a military coup put in place a Marxist government of Siad Barre. Barre, eager to exploit a similar internal conflict in stagnating Ethiopia (Marxist military junta Derg vs Emperor, insurgencies in Eritrea and Ogaden), and gain legitimacy, invaded Ethiopia, seeking Ogaden annexation. Soviets, unable to stop the conflict, and finding more Derg more radical and useful, switched to supporting Ethiopia (hitherto an American client), prompting Americans (and Chinese, since they did anything to hurt Soviets) to switch to Somalis. Biggest influence, however, were Cubans: they had just recently more or less fully expelled the South Africans from Angola, and now switched their expeditionary forces (30k soldiers, IIRC) into Ethiopia, quickly collapsing the Somali successes (which had been retarded, in any way, by Ethiopian air supremacy). After the defeat, Somali junta didn't last long, and when it fell apart, so did Somalia, leading to a great movie, Black Hawk Down.
Thank you for the excellent synopsis...the conflict was a convoluted one with major powers switching sides and the effects are still felt today in that part of the world.
At the reenactment beginning (min 8:27) the #1 and #2 are taking off in a wrong position, #1 must be on the runway left side (not in the middle) the whole time and #2 starts ok at the right side of the runway but don't mantain this position during the whole launch run and starts deviation to the left, that's why he felts turbulence at the moment that he is behind #1 in the middle of the runway and yet not correct, surprisingly #3 is correct during the whole launch run.
Great Video man. i think you should do more collabs with some Dcs Ytbers and more Battle Recreation, even it didnt go as expected, great Video, and lots of cool shots on the dogfight
Awesome idea for a video, man! I would love it if you did this with all sorts of 60s (light) fighters, even ones that didn't find each other on opposite sides; eg. Mirage III-V vs F5E II, which are said to both be "low priced" (American Congress hearings available on google books state Mirage price to be between $4-5 million, and F5E price to be $2.6 million).
Interesting historical note: The Soviets were able to acquire a F-5E Tiger II from Vietnam after the end of the war, and did a thorough evaluation of it, including several mock dogfights against the MiG-21. In the hands of experiences Soviet test pilots, the F-5E consistently dominated the Fishbed. Because of this, the representatives from MiG insisted that they put it up against the MiG-23, a significantly more technologically advanced fighter, to the protest of the engineers running the test. The result was that the F-5 won against the MiG-23 in their first dogfight. You can read the english translation of the article by searching "A Soviet test pilot F-5E evalution" to find the post on the Combat Ace forum, with a link to the original russian-language article.
The other funny thing about this is that the 23 should be a wildly successful plane - design-wise, it's got lot going for it. But it suffers BADLY in air-to-air combat. It's the TIE fighter of Earth.
@@warbuzzard7167 from what I understand, the engineers were sure the 23 would win, because statistically it should've; the reason it didn't was because the wing sweep was entirely manual and the pilots just couldn't keep their wings at the optimal sweep for every situation in the middle of an intense fight (rightfully so, I imagine it would be extremely difficult) and so the 23 underperformed compared to its theoretical maximum performance
They could do a DCS for the JF-17 also, as it is in DCS. It has a nasty habit of killing the pilot on takeoff due to oxygen system issues. not sure if this is a game issue that is yet to be fully solved, or just lack of training (each plane in DCS has a full manual). You probably have to be very specific in startup for one. I Know the F-5 is fairly difficult to start as well, but wont kill you in that manner.
"The Mig-21 is easy to fly" Not in a rate or radius fight with an F-4, not when enemies have long-range FOX-1 or FOX-3 missiles, not when a plane is on your 6 (there's pretty much zero rear visibility for the pilot), not when you need to make a snapshot with the guns (it has limited forward visibility), not when using your slow muzzle velocity guns (only 710 m/s and they don't have a lot of ammo), not when your plane has to make high-g turns (it bleeds speed really quickly and it doesn't turn well at low speeds), not when you're approaching supersonic speeds (cockpit vibration is so bad that it can cause additional fatigue), not when you don't at least have R-60 missiles, not when you can't use terrain as cover (you'll probs get picked off by previously mentioned radar-guided missiles), not if you need to rely on having good radar, not if you need to attack ground targets, not if you don't want to worry about pilot safety issues (especially when landing), and not if you don't have strength in numbers.
the mig21 in conflicts was many times plagued by substandard pilot training compounded by yesterdays tech. A jet engine with a cockpit attached, good speed, acceleration and climb and very little else.
I fought the F-5s would have the edge (just by a bit) but goes to show that at the end of the day, how you use your machine matters as much as the machine itself .
@@PilotPhotog Hahaha mmm thay are good but not that good. But i know what you're saying.. I feel great when fighting against AI but scared to death to fight another human in DCS hahaha
@@carloolivier1940 I just don't have time to dedicate to DCS...I make videos and have an unrelated fulltime job so not much time left over. I am working on learning the F-18 since it can pretty much do everything I want to do in DCS
@@PilotPhotog I hear you it's difficult. Also a big fan of the Hornet. Most versatile jet. But thank anyways for your time and effort for the videos and feedback! I learn so much.
Awesome vid. Is the F5 a less stable gunnery platform, or was that less-than-perfect shooting from our F5 pilot? As I noticed the MiGs seemed to take advantage in this combat.
the odds were against the 21s, the f5 was loaded with aim9p5. The Soviet counter (r60m) that was not loaded on the 21. Cap wouldn’t have been able to dodge the missiles so easily. Good video though
Next time, if you want a more realistic and capable scenario recreated, use growling Sidewinder...you two would match perfectly together! He is a great dogfighter who really knows what he’s doing...nothing against grim reapers btw, they do really have their place in the dcs community and I appreciate them. But I think you and growling sidewinder would be the better match up
Alternatively, Growling sidewinder is great but if he doesn't contact you back try C.W lemoine, an ex f-16 and f-18 pilot who plays dcs and is excellent also. Grim reapers are great for fun factor and a laugh but absolutely hopeless at dogfighting, tactics or proper use of their aircraft. Great video though love the idea behind it 👍
F-5A were capable of air to air missions although they were not equipped with radar. Maybe Ethiopian air-force was not willing to operate them in that role due to the availability of F-5E.
Indeed- the F-5A could equip the AIM-9 Sidewinder for WVR engagements. And as you say having the more advanced and radar equipped E’s made the difference. Thanks for commenting!
I've heard that the major complaint of the F5 was low power. I thought it was an exaggeration until watching this video. I see now that the Mig's ability to climb away from the F5 was an advantage for the Mig. The Mig's tactics seemed to mimic the F4 Phantoms in Vietnam, where the F4 could climb away from most of it's adversaries. Except maybe for the Mig 21. Gomer glasses, lol. With newer smaller jets available now, could it be possible to mount more powerful engines in the same space?
@@napoliansolo7865 the GE 404 engine (same as the F/A-18) in the F-20 produced 60% more thrust than the twin engines of the F-5E...the F-20 was built as a true multi-role fighter with all the capabilities of the F-16 & F-18 except weapons load capacity. I had a childhood friend who's Dad was one of the test pilots for the Tigershark
That was definitely interesting. Good job. I'm still curious about how a NATO trained pilot flying a MiG-21 would do against a Soviet trained pilot flying an F-5.
İ wasn't expecting that it was like maverick had been killed in top gun movie. Again this simulation reminded us life is not a movie heros and good people can be killed and bad guys can win.
Thanks for commenting, I plan on a dedicated video on the MiG-21 as well as all of the other MiG fighters, this was just a great chance to work with the Reapers.
Awesome video, nice DCS. I really enjoyed your synopsis of head to head F-5 vs MiG-21. I’d love to hear about more real life scenarios regarding dogfights.
@@PilotPhotog Yeah, cheers. Thanks for not getting all offended. This was my first video I've seen of yours, you've got yourself a new subscriber. Looking forward to seeing more!
Planning on doing any WWII Warbird vids? I have tuned motors for decades but was surprised to find out they were using water and alcohol injection back then. F-22 vs J-20 "4++" vs SU-57 F-35 vs SU-35
Interesting. But why do a dogfight with afterburners fully on the whole time. Or did it just look like that? If the F5 throttled back now and than, he would have been able to stay behind the mig, or did I miss something.
As a novice DCS player myself, I’m not sure if it has to do with a discrepancy between real life and the game’s physics, however when trying to keep energy up I find both myself, AI, and other players will use AB, however in some occasions throttling back does help. Still burns a TON of fuel though!
Nikhil Seenivas T K there is usually a good balance. Such as with the F-16, usually 400-500 range is good for hard maneuvering but it bleeds very quickly, and I’m not the best at energy retention, so I usually drop the throttle to enter the turn and bring up back up to full power after the turn is set
@@joeyhayes3137 yeah dropping down and then briniging ab back up during turn doesnt work that well, even in my mig29 with insane twr. go in afterburner, pull aoa to bleed speed then hold turn. also if you go min radius turn you will be bleeding speed
Hey PilotPhotog, I'm a regular viewer to the channel, and I love your videos. If you do another collaboration with some DCS youtubers, I would advise against the Grim Reapers. They don't have the best reputation in the DCS community and you will likely get a lot of unwarranted hate because of that (I already see a comment stating they disliked because GR was in the video). There are tons of great DCS youtubers out there and many would be happy to help you. Fly Safe!
The fact that somalians actually had any air force to speak of truly amazes me or even a radar station and that they had any pilots to fly them even amazes me there abunch of pirates and rebel forces that's barley organized at all
Legends say that during the conflict a blue and white Tiger with a unicorn on its tail appeared and downed half a dozen Fishbeds while Japanese music blared on the comms of both sides.
- mission fuga
- awakening
- temptation
- we know what you did
- on the move
- Dogfight
You could play any of them to that vid. they would all suit well. ;-)
I have that game!
yeah and legends say it was piloted by a 15 yo born in space too. In the real world between training and avionics the only time commie aircraft hold up to their western competition is in particularly favorable conditions IE numeric superiority, surprise, significant altitude advantage.
i dont get it
@@coolfungame8467 he's calling b.s. also I think he's referring to the complete fantasy that many nations suffer regarding their air power particularly in asia. The Chinese claim they can actively track all of our aircraft. I find that amusing considering we weren't capable of tracking our B2s. At the end of the day the Mig21 aka the fishbed is just fast. In every other sense particularly in avionics the F5 is a superior combat aircraft.
you must all be blind. that is two migs fighting. i heard the f5 mig once went inverted with a tomcat
Yes....that was the MiG-28 version, very classified though...lol and thanks for commenting!
Northrop F-5 is an American Fishbed so yeah. It seems like Northrop-Grumman is the MiG of US since we barely hear any new fighters made by them today.
Certainly we hear from Northrop fighters. We hear from them all the time....kinda. McDonnell Douglas sort of stole the F-18 from them, eventually making it a Boeing product. The F-18 is a development of the F-5, via the YF-17 Cobra.
yeah and all four catapults failed on a nuke carrier at the same time too.
@leeboy29680-ol7gf Yeah, and I hear that there's a pretty cool Polaroid picture out there somewhere of that incident.......
Interesting side note: After the fall of South Vietnam, the Russians had a fly-off between captured F-5A models and the MiG-21. While they expected that the MiG would win, the F-5 beat it in just about every category.
Which MiG-21?
There is a pretty big difference between a Bis and a F13 for istance.
@@majo3488 Not exactly sure but I would imagine whichever model was in front-line squadron service circa 1970-71.
@@robertschumacher2707 is it true that the Soviets also had it fly off against a mig-23m and it won?
The F-5 was so good in fact that the short lived Mig-28 Fakeout was heavily based on the platform.
The F-5, is so good is still in service across the world, and heavily modernized. Even Irán copied it.
The problem with the F-5 is that it is a light fighter with the shortcomings it means.
F5: Dodge that!!!
Mig 21: Dodges that...
The fact that people fly these things and fight each other in the sky is absolutely mind-blowing.
going hundreds of miles an hour...it truly is amazing - and dangerous.
A fight between a heavily updated F-5E (Brazilian F-5EM/Thai F-5T) and a heavily updated MiG-21 (Romanian LanceR C) would look like any modern engagement.. BVR, then helmet-cued 60g HOBS missile.. man, modern electronics are very compact nowadays.. they can transform these things to a 4++ gen fighter.. provided the airframe has some life left.
I spent 2 months in Romania as an F-15C maintainer. It was great getting to watch the MiG's fly around and I got to watch a Romanian Air Show while I was there. Of course I also got close up looks at the MiG-21 LanceRs. That updated cockpit of theirs looked awesome! They have the best looking MiG-21's around. I have also been to Thailand, they had the first F-5's I ever got to see in person and the only JAS-39 Gripens I've seen too.
While i do think F5's are sexy as hell i doubt the modernized thai/brazilian ones are gen 4+ jets. Though i would really like to see them (in the form of the F-20)
Cool! I honestly had no idea these two aircraft ever encountered each other in real combat, you learn something new every day. The DCS engagement was a pretty interesting piece, too. Great vid.
Glad you enjoyed it!
THIS WAS AN AMAZING VID! You gotta do more of the same.
Thank you and will do!
A few years ago, I was in south Korea at kunsan for a few months. Usually nothing flying except F-16s that I was working on. One night I was launching my jet and got to watch a pair of F-5s takeoff followed shortly by 3 harriers. Those tiny little twin burners were quite impressive at night :)
That must have been an awesome sight, thanks for commenting and thank you for your service!
I've been interested in the Ogaden War for a long time and I've never heard it come up unless I was specifically looking for information about it. I had no idea this video would be about this war and it's really a treat. Thank you!
Figured it had to be this or perhaps Iran/Iraq. Also have read some speculation about Israeli instructors flying the F 5's.
Just shows how important the tactics and training is to the aircraft success. I’d say this proves the value of EWAC.
Peak 3rd gen fighters... Both fantastic looking aircraft, and workhorses of the export market.
Truly great planes
I really enjoyed the airmanship. both the MiG 21s did the best to evade, engage and attack to kill. those two MiG pilots worked out their tactic. one being a bet and other taking down the attacker. Great video
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
@@PilotPhotog I enjoyed it with all my heart. Will love to see air battles of the middle east. Involving the Six Day War, Iran Iraq war, the Yom Kippur War. Top choices being aerial battles in dogfights between USAF, IAF and united Arab Air Forces. The crazy Egyptian MiG 21 fighter (split S at 3000 to 3500 ft) who was engaged by Giora Epstein, is the most memorable and heart pounding dogfight. Cheers.... 😎😍👍
Nice collaboration vid with the Reapers!!!! Would love to see more like this with other planes!!! Love it!!!!
Thanks! Will do!
The USAF quickly discovered the F5 has little chance of winning a 1v1 when fighting in the vertical. MIG pilots know this (ALWAYS ASSUME YOUR ENEMY KNOWS AS MUCH ABOUT YOUR AIRCRAFT AS YOU KNOW ABOUT HIS) the RP-21 radar the MIG does have a "look down" problem as it can not see an aircraft due to reflections from the ground. (GROUND CLUTTER.)
Mig 28 vs Mig 21. Talk to me Goose.
Top Gun has ALWAYS annoyed me for the ONE detail. Call them MiG 21, call em MiG 23, but MiG haven't used even numbers since the MiG 8 back in the 40s.
this is gonna be an enjoyable comparsion to see f-5 vs mig-28 in this channel :)
Well it might go down to being able to do a 4G negative dive
Great video. Really enjoyed how the simulation complemented your initial analysis of both planes.
Thank you and thanks for commenting!
Your analysis of the MiG-21 sounds more like a MiG-21S or M than a MiG-21bis, which was/is capable of carrying up to SIX air to air missiles, including all-aspect R-60M's.
Unless the Somali MiG's were less well equipped? I've no idea about this specific scenario.
Either way, great video!
*edit - Somali's in '77, probably MiG-21M's, right? Think they got the Bis in '79
Yeah your MiG 21 video was amazing but this was also an amazing video. It would be nice if PilotPhotog released a separate vid on the Fishbet because it's just such a historical aircraft
Thanks for commenting - I totally plan on doing a dedicated video on the MiG-21 and other MiG fighters as well.
@theScottishKoala I do believe the Somali Air Force was operating the M version...Cap and the Reapers flew the bis version as that is what is in DCS...Cap mentioned the disparity but I should have been more clear with the description. Thanks for commenting and looking forward to working with you!
@@PilotPhotog So far I know they operated the MF version (izd.96F) so with better engine than M but worse than bis. And AAMs - I think they had only R-3S the original Atoll missiles, Ethiopians had AIM-9Js and Israeli pilots in cockpits. Anyway. F-5 was better in combat, Soviets themself compared them (they got some F-5 from Viewtnam after the war - one F-5 even got into the Czechoslovakia, non flying condition, but in Aero they did some reverse-engeneering on it. Now it is in the Museum in Prague.
The fact remains , victory in any dog fight largely depends on the skill and aggressiveness of the fighter pilot , this fact has been proven since WW1 .
After watching the F/A-18 video I now know the F-5 is what it was based off of.
You do know it was originally called the f17 cobra right? It competed against the f16 for the next light aircraft for the air force. The f16 eventually won out but the Navy saw a lot of promise in f 17. They had it modded for carrier duties.
"based off of" is just the American butchering of "based on".
2 of my favourite channels working together. Great stuff.
Awesome, thank you!
In the USAF, 1964-68, did r/d on the T38- F5.
Love to see that they are still flying.
Thank you for your service and I just watched a NASA T-38 take off at Ellington Field near Houston. My next video is about the Advanced Tiger and a company that is performing upgrades to F-5s as part of a modernization effort. Should be out Wednesday. Check it out when you can and let me know what you think!
Well it's all about how you train your pilots ! In the recent past , a Mig 21 Bison (upgraded Mig 21) of the Indian Air Force shot down an F 16 of the Pakistani Air Force ... So it's not just the planes , but also the hours you spent day and night getting to learn about your plane and get the best out of it !
I think you wrong as per i know pak f16 shotdown two indian aircrafts
@@leadsonline149 I remember very well , it was a Mig 21 Bison that was shot down . And the fact that , restrictions imposed from the US itself (you'd probably know the reasons) , caused no major upgrades in the fleet of Pakistani Air Force's F 16 which made the dog fight between them not so one sided , so !!
And the fact that Balakot was not even in POK but Pakistan and India bombed it makes it much clear about how Pakistan uses its "Chinese" resources !
F16 and MiG 21 has too big a gap to make pilot skill compete effectively. Pakistan AF are also professionally trained, and no one would let a rookie out with their important asset in a war. 2 Migs down is the more probable outcome. Real life isn’t Ace combat
Leads Online 2 Migs down where reported, but it is possible one of downed was an Su30. This could not make to the news due to sever geopolitical consequences
@@MNanme1z4xs Mig 21 Bison is not even close to F 16 . Not in even , one single aspect ! It was guided by the Mirage 2000s and backed by Su 30 MKIs . These are the planes which have the mettle to shoot down an F 16 . It was just , the Bison was the one who took the shot at the very moment , it got an opportunity !
And , any dumbster knows , there is a generation gap between these planes , but it would be false to say that one day , in a dog fight any 4th gen fighter would be unable to take down an F 22 or an F 35 !!!
Honestly have been looking for content like this: documentary combo with historical demonstration on sim
Being able to say you gunned a MiG in air to air battle is pretty cool bragging rights.
Loved this format. Please make more. 😁👍
Great video, two of my favorite planes!
Mig 21 = Rocket.
*Missile
that was fun!
I enjoyed that!
I think my favorite part was the recreation not going to plan! haha!
For more information on the Ogaden War: African nations organized the OAS (Organization of African Unity) in Addis Ababa (Ethiopia) in 1963. There, representatives of the states agreed on the "sanctity of (colonial) borders" (successfully limiting the number of INTERSTATE wars in Africa). This however, meant that along the line of Saharan Africa (roughly between Islam/Christianity), there would be a number of conflicts (South Sudan, Nigerian Civil War, etc). Even then, Somalis expressed their desire that Somali majority areas in Kenya (Northern Province) and Ogaden (in Ethiopia) should be united with their brethren in Somalia, which was immediately censured by the Ethiopian host.
Somalis bid their time, trying to unify their state (which didn't work out too well), until a military coup put in place a Marxist government of Siad Barre. Barre, eager to exploit a similar internal conflict in stagnating Ethiopia (Marxist military junta Derg vs Emperor, insurgencies in Eritrea and Ogaden), and gain legitimacy, invaded Ethiopia, seeking Ogaden annexation. Soviets, unable to stop the conflict, and finding more Derg more radical and useful, switched to supporting Ethiopia (hitherto an American client), prompting Americans (and Chinese, since they did anything to hurt Soviets) to switch to Somalis.
Biggest influence, however, were Cubans: they had just recently more or less fully expelled the South Africans from Angola, and now switched their expeditionary forces (30k soldiers, IIRC) into Ethiopia, quickly collapsing the Somali successes (which had been retarded, in any way, by Ethiopian air supremacy).
After the defeat, Somali junta didn't last long, and when it fell apart, so did Somalia, leading to a great movie, Black Hawk Down.
Thank you for the excellent synopsis...the conflict was a convoluted one with major powers switching sides and the effects are still felt today in that part of the world.
That was fantastic! Thanks Boss!
At the reenactment beginning (min 8:27) the #1 and #2 are taking off in a wrong position, #1 must be on the runway left side (not in the middle) the whole time and #2 starts ok at the right side of the runway but don't mantain this position during the whole launch run and starts deviation to the left, that's why he felts turbulence at the moment that he is behind #1 in the middle of the runway and yet not correct, surprisingly #3 is correct during the whole launch run.
Great Video man. i think you should do more collabs with some Dcs Ytbers and more Battle Recreation, even it didnt go as expected, great Video, and lots of cool shots on the dogfight
Thanks and the Reapers did a great job with their flying as well as camera angles. More on the way!
@@PilotPhotog got it chief 👌🔥
Awesome idea for a video, man! I would love it if you did this with all sorts of 60s (light) fighters, even ones that didn't find each other on opposite sides; eg. Mirage III-V vs F5E II, which are said to both be "low priced" (American Congress hearings available on google books state Mirage price to be between $4-5 million, and F5E price to be $2.6 million).
Excellent collaboration!!!! Hope to see more like this.
More to come!
this was terrific !! - Thanks Photog !!
Interesting historical note: The Soviets were able to acquire a F-5E Tiger II from Vietnam after the end of the war, and did a thorough evaluation of it, including several mock dogfights against the MiG-21. In the hands of experiences Soviet test pilots, the F-5E consistently dominated the Fishbed. Because of this, the representatives from MiG insisted that they put it up against the MiG-23, a significantly more technologically advanced fighter, to the protest of the engineers running the test. The result was that the F-5 won against the MiG-23 in their first dogfight.
You can read the english translation of the article by searching "A Soviet test pilot F-5E evalution" to find the post on the Combat Ace forum, with a link to the original russian-language article.
The other funny thing about this is that the 23 should be a wildly successful plane - design-wise, it's got lot going for it. But it suffers BADLY in air-to-air combat. It's the TIE fighter of Earth.
@@warbuzzard7167 from what I understand, the engineers were sure the 23 would win, because statistically it should've; the reason it didn't was because the wing sweep was entirely manual and the pilots just couldn't keep their wings at the optimal sweep for every situation in the middle of an intense fight (rightfully so, I imagine it would be extremely difficult) and so the 23 underperformed compared to its theoretical maximum performance
Awesome video. Looking forward to more 😀
Thank you!
How about a video on The Indian HAL Tejas or the PAC JF-17. It would be nice because not many people make videos on these jets.
_That's because we all know what's gonna happen in the comments section._
@@randompheidoleminor3011 well your not wrong
They could do a DCS for the JF-17 also, as it is in DCS. It has a nasty habit of killing the pilot on takeoff due to oxygen system issues. not sure if this is a game issue that is yet to be fully solved, or just lack of training (each plane in DCS has a full manual). You probably have to be very specific in startup for one. I Know the F-5 is fairly difficult to start as well, but wont kill you in that manner.
Spartan945 is this an actual feature in DCS of killing the pilot????
@@joeyhayes3137 No he just doesn't know how to set up the oxygen right
What an excellent video. Loved it guys. Absolutely loved it. 👏👍👍
"The Mig-21 is easy to fly"
Not in a rate or radius fight with an F-4, not when enemies have long-range FOX-1 or FOX-3 missiles, not when a plane is on your 6 (there's pretty much zero rear visibility for the pilot), not when you need to make a snapshot with the guns (it has limited forward visibility), not when using your slow muzzle velocity guns (only 710 m/s and they don't have a lot of ammo), not when your plane has to make high-g turns (it bleeds speed really quickly and it doesn't turn well at low speeds), not when you're approaching supersonic speeds (cockpit vibration is so bad that it can cause additional fatigue), not when you don't at least have R-60 missiles, not when you can't use terrain as cover (you'll probs get picked off by previously mentioned radar-guided missiles), not if you need to rely on having good radar, not if you need to attack ground targets, not if you don't want to worry about pilot safety issues (especially when landing), and not if you don't have strength in numbers.
Ouch.
Cool that you collaborate with grim reapers 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video.
Great vid! Really enjoyed that guys!
Great video that... edge of the seat stuff!
An amazing video. Each week your videos get better. I watched it three times. Thanks, great work.
Glad you like them!
the mig21 in conflicts was many times plagued by substandard pilot training compounded by yesterdays tech. A jet engine with a cockpit attached, good speed, acceleration and climb and very little else.
The F5 is a underrated jet, which admittedly heavily modified still is a US frontline fighter in the Navy's F-18 Super Hornet.
I fought the F-5s would have the edge (just by a bit) but goes to show that at the end of the day, how you use your machine matters as much as the machine itself .
The best!!!
Great collaboration with GR! Love the video thanks! Why didn't you join them in the fight as the 3rd F-5?
Thanks for commenting...not a bad idea but I need to get my DCS skills WAY up before joining the Reapers on a mission.
@@PilotPhotog Hahaha mmm thay are good but not that good.
But i know what you're saying.. I feel great when fighting against AI but scared to death to fight another human in DCS hahaha
@@carloolivier1940 I just don't have time to dedicate to DCS...I make videos and have an unrelated fulltime job so not much time left over. I am working on learning the F-18 since it can pretty much do everything I want to do in DCS
@@PilotPhotog I hear you it's difficult. Also a big fan of the Hornet. Most versatile jet. But thank anyways for your time and effort for the videos and feedback! I learn so much.
Awesome vid. Is the F5 a less stable gunnery platform, or was that less-than-perfect shooting from our F5 pilot? As I noticed the MiGs seemed to take advantage in this combat.
Loved the vid, couldn't help but chuckle at Capp's accent at 12:54, sounded like missoo missoo missoo, chicken chicken chicken lol.
Very cool
Thank you!
Watching him shoot with the radar lock pipper setting... without a radar lock is frustrating hahah.
that was epic!
the odds were against the 21s, the f5 was loaded with aim9p5. The Soviet counter (r60m) that was not loaded on the 21. Cap wouldn’t have been able to dodge the missiles so easily. Good video though
DCS is one my list of stuff to get into👍
Do it! My advice: Start with the Flaming Cliffs 3 module - let me know how it goes!
Cool anoather excellent video!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Good opening presentation. Good editing during the dogfight. Why can't movies be edited this well?
Next time, if you want a more realistic and capable scenario recreated, use growling Sidewinder...you two would match perfectly together! He is a great dogfighter who really knows what he’s doing...nothing against grim reapers btw, they do really have their place in the dcs community and I appreciate them. But I think you and growling sidewinder would be the better match up
Thanks for commenting and I've reached out to Growling, let me try again.
Alternatively, Growling sidewinder is great but if he doesn't contact you back try C.W lemoine, an ex f-16 and f-18 pilot who plays dcs and is excellent also. Grim reapers are great for fun factor and a laugh but absolutely hopeless at dogfighting, tactics or proper use of their aircraft. Great video though love the idea behind it 👍
YESSSSSSSS GRIM REAPERS COLLAB
F-5A were capable of air to air missions although they were not equipped with radar. Maybe Ethiopian air-force was not willing to operate them in that role due to the availability of F-5E.
Indeed- the F-5A could equip the AIM-9 Sidewinder for WVR engagements. And as you say having the more advanced and radar equipped E’s made the difference. Thanks for commenting!
Awesome video and simulation :) Thanks for sharing.
13:22 a clean F-5 is a beautiful thing.
Wow, you showed footage of the chilean F-5s. Best regards from Chile!
Los F-5 de Chile, junto a los F-5 de Brasil, son los F-5 mas poderosos actualmente en el mundo.
That was an awesome video! I love the mix of your standard video style with the reenactment via DCS! Outstanding
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
I've heard that the major complaint of the F5 was low power. I thought it was an exaggeration until watching this video. I see now that the Mig's ability to climb away from the F5 was an advantage for the Mig. The Mig's tactics seemed to mimic the F4 Phantoms in Vietnam, where the F4 could climb away from most of it's adversaries. Except maybe for the Mig 21. Gomer glasses, lol. With newer smaller jets available now, could it be possible to mount more powerful engines in the same space?
There was the F-20 Tigershark. If it was mass produced it would've been the AK-47 of fighter aircraft...
@@hernanbasurto1704 Yeah, but since it wasn't used in this video I didn't mention it.
@@napoliansolo7865 the GE 404 engine (same as the F/A-18) in the F-20 produced 60% more thrust than the twin engines of the F-5E...the F-20 was built as a true multi-role fighter with all the capabilities of the F-16 & F-18 except weapons load capacity. I had a childhood friend who's Dad was one of the test pilots for the Tigershark
my country has both, both of them have carried out attacks on other countries, but now they are not operational
This vid gives me hope someday i'll get on DCS and get a proper HOTAS and the modules to be in badass dogfights like this.
The f5 is my favourite fighter,it's pure eye candy ! Looking at it, it's hard to believe it was designed in the 50s
Too nice video with clear explaining of characters of two opposites aircrafts thanks
Glad you liked it
@@PilotPhotog thanks friend
Andreas thank you for all of your comments and support!
That was definitely interesting. Good job. I'm still curious about how a NATO trained pilot flying a MiG-21 would do against a Soviet trained pilot flying an F-5.
That would make for an interesting experiment!
I know a guy who flew as Red Air and flew captured Mig-21s in the USAF. He said the Mig-21 was actually so good it would outdo the F-5 in every way
@@F22raptor46 Thank you. Not a surprise to me.
@@F22raptor46 so u knew a guy that knew a guy that knew a guy that knew another guy? Lmao
@@foreal69tu50 No I just know the guy who did that and no one else
The F5 looks like the single engine lil brother to the double engine F18!
If it had one engine....
İ wasn't expecting that it was like maverick had been killed in top gun movie. Again this simulation reminded us life is not a movie heros and good people can be killed and bad guys can win.
Don't call the russians bad guys.
Great video....but I was expecting something along the lines of what you did for the Gripen...but for the Mig-21.
Thanks for commenting, I plan on a dedicated video on the MiG-21 as well as all of the other MiG fighters, this was just a great chance to work with the Reapers.
F-5 ' MERICA! HELL YEAH!
Awesome video, nice DCS. I really enjoyed your synopsis of head to head F-5 vs MiG-21. I’d love to hear about more real life scenarios regarding dogfights.
Thank you, this was my first historical encounter video and I do plan on doing more, thanks also goes to the Grim Reapers!
I think you mean MIG 28 vs. MIG 21. Great content as usual, 👍 keep it up
Amazing video, but one nitpick; No one considers the MiG-21 a 'lightweight fighter.'
Thanks for commenting and fair point. Glad you enjoyed the video
@@PilotPhotog Yeah, cheers. Thanks for not getting all offended. This was my first video I've seen of yours, you've got yourself a new subscriber. Looking forward to seeing more!
@@I_am_not_a_dog Thank you much appreciated! I am always looking to improve, the X-15 video is coming up next, let me know what you think and cheers!
Damn, that mig took way too many rounds and is still flying.
The f5 is one of the best looking birds imo
Very good doku
Planning on doing any WWII Warbird vids? I have tuned motors for decades but was surprised to find out they were using water and alcohol injection back then.
F-22 vs J-20 "4++" vs SU-57
F-35 vs SU-35
Interesting. But why do a dogfight with afterburners fully on the whole time. Or did it just look like that? If the F5 throttled back now and than, he would have been able to stay behind the mig, or did I miss something.
As a novice DCS player myself, I’m not sure if it has to do with a discrepancy between real life and the game’s physics, however when trying to keep energy up I find both myself, AI, and other players will use AB, however in some occasions throttling back does help. Still burns a TON of fuel though!
when youre maneuvering , every deviation of stick costs energy, fastest way to regain/maintain it is afterburner
Nikhil Seenivas T K there is usually a good balance. Such as with the F-16, usually 400-500 range is good for hard maneuvering but it bleeds very quickly, and I’m not the best at energy retention, so I usually drop the throttle to enter the turn and bring up back up to full power after the turn is set
@@joeyhayes3137 yeah dropping down and then briniging ab back up during turn doesnt work that well, even in my mig29 with insane twr. go in afterburner, pull aoa to bleed speed then hold turn. also if you go min radius turn you will be bleeding speed
@@joeyhayes3137 i was able to do a 240kmph sustained turn full stick deflection with flaps and full ab in mig29 with a descent rate of about 15m/s
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Hey PilotPhotog, I'm a regular viewer to the channel, and I love your videos. If you do another collaboration with some DCS youtubers, I would advise against the Grim Reapers. They don't have the best reputation in the DCS community and you will likely get a lot of unwarranted hate because of that (I already see a comment stating they disliked because GR was in the video). There are tons of great DCS youtubers out there and many would be happy to help you. Fly Safe!
Thank you for the comment and feedback - I am open to many collaborations and have more ideas that I am working on.
@@PilotPhotog Hellreign likes F5Es.
Kind of funny though. Looks at the wing design for the proposed "MiG-21/93" model. The wing looks a lot like the F-5s.
Did the F-5A's still have the two 20mm cannons? I think they did and thought they had old AIM-9 capability as well.
Too nice video of successful manuuveribitliy of F 5 E against Mig21 showing victory of US producing aircrafts
The fact that somalians actually had any air force to speak of truly amazes me or even a radar station and that they had any pilots to fly them even amazes me there abunch of pirates and rebel forces that's barley organized at all
Times change. They had a functional state in the 60's and 70's supported by one, then another superpower.
Do mig 28 vs f 5
It would be a very close competition 😃
Did yall loaded the F5 with training belt or something lmfao, those migs are taking a shit tonna hits
I can't believe the AIM-9 could acquire from the front let alone engage! This was the 70's...
You should also check out Growling Sidewinders.
Both mig21 and f5 are almost a match come down to crew training
LOL! Cap from GR is such a bell end!
Cats playing with fish!
Brilliant!