The Ultimate Solution to Expensive Apple Storage! - UGREEN NAS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2024
- My one major gripe with Apple products is the increasingly expensive internal storage! Our channel partner UGREEN has launched their first NAS lineup which, in my opinion, offers the ultimate fix! I am stoked to share this with you because I am genuinely excited about this machine how it can make investing in Apple products infinitely cheaper!
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Can you ask, or do you know if they will make a DAS version of this? Thanks
I was waiting for this video for a while.....nice job. Those look awesome indeed. You Rock!
Thanks dude!
Been looking at a NAS for a while now but haven't done enough due diligence.
Great information!
Glad it was helpful!
This UGREEN NAS is like the superhero we needed for our Apple storage woes.
Interesting. Didn’t know much about NAS until your video
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Just a friendly reminder by someone from the I.T. industry to always back up your important files in an off-premise cloud as well such as Google Drive or iCloud. Things happen. Having your super important files on at least 3 locations where at least one is off premise ensures you don't lose data that was one of a kind.
I bought 2 NAS one in my primary home in Texas and another at my other home cross country. But after reading I believe Urgent offers a cloud service also
Absolutely.
Absolutely , nothing i mean nothing beats cloud back like MS / Google. We had a similar system at our organization and both the main and the mirror failed and we lost a lot of important data. That's when we decided that never again will we rely on hard disk backup!
seems rather out of touch comment to me and not useful for the everyman. especially if the video even said he had to ‘scrape together enough money to get’ something
@@jkspepper05 Have fun with your data
Thank you very much, I understand NAS systems a bit more now.
Thanks for watching, Leah 🙌
@@PatrickRambles you’re welcome
NAS is the best way to go if you are a content creator in multiple areas.
This is what I have been looking for all this time. Thanx for this review Patrick.
Thanks for watching 🤝
Hello, Thank You For Sharing and Update. I got it. I am impressed. It is interesting. Thank You again
Very good review!
Thanks!
That really is a good looking NAS!
Right?
Thanks for this but I want to ask does this solution provide provenance and data traceability. I guess not but Irys provide both along with pay once and store forever facility.
Have you checked out Irys?
Very informative and well explained video @Patrick . It's so refreshing watching a YT creative that doesn't talk down to there audience.
Thank you, I appreciate that 🤝
Haha I’ve been seeing this NAS everywhere!! I currently use a synology ds923+ but I’m really interested in this nas
The hardware is great! I am really looking forward to the software getting better - a winner.
Some great cinematography, trying to make a NAS look interesting is not easy!
Thank you sir 🤝
Dude, that bad ass boy is beautiful! Checking it now! Thanks for all the info!
I really like it. It's so easy to use that I ordered 4x18TB beefy drives to make it my main NAS
@@PatrickRambles Nice, you'll have storage for years!
This sounds perfect for my studio. I'm going to get in the Kickstarter on the ground floor. Question: can you chain more than one unit together?
Normally you can daisy chain NAS systems, yes. Could be worth making sure with UGREEN. I know some functionality is still being rolled out pre-shipping.
Great video Patrick, quick question can you connect the ethernet cable into a TP Link Powerline plug from a room upstairs or does it have to go directly into the Router?
Great question. I would assume you could, perhaps at lower speeds, depending on the connection.
This is good for archiving
Yes it is.
Can you share how you archive?
Nice review. I use the DS1522+ of Synology. But for a starter on the NAS market, this looks really nice. Maybe if I need a second NAS, I will consider it.
I think that’s exactly right. It’s a low threshold machine with a small learning curve.
@@PatrickRambles It is good to have Nas equipment available for people who want it but do not want to go deep. We agree.
CVan you talk about the TB4 interface?
Two questions: 1) How sturdy are the actual drive bays? You mentioned the case in anodized aluminum and very sturdy, but how are age bays made, how solid do the drive bays feel? 2) Is the SD card slot UHS II spec or only UHS I? Any idea what transfer speeds are like?
I have a Synology but that one looks nice, the OS looks clean.
Agreed. I like the look of the hardware especially 👌
Looks brilliant, do you know when the shipping list for the kickstarter will expand past just Germany and USA?
I don't know - I share the frustration though. I am based in Belgium so, ironically, I would not be able to pre-order it.
Can I used as a server for my hosting website?
I almost bought the Kickstarter but honestly the software is immature, hardware is Ugreen solid. The NAS landscape is changing. The N100 NAS boards that are easy to get are really disrupting the lower end. At the upper end people are going to want ZFS or something like Unraid. The Ugreen NAS is based on Debian so it should ultimately be flexible.
I've heard this gripe from others too. It's early days, perhaps enough people will request it for UGREEN to open it up.
@@PatrickRambles I'm pretty sure they'll have the software humming along soon enough. You can fix young software but you cannot fix poor performing hardware as easily.
@@hmurchison8123 Worst case scenario, you can take out the OS SSD and install your own software solution here. It's a steal for the discounts they are offering.
Thank you for great showcase , a UGreen fan as well but a allow me a question off topic. I just got the M3 14” semi maxed out (similar to your case). I have some remorse as I picked it over the 16” but I value portability based on my daily usage and having large monitors at omw. Any reflection or thoughts on the topic? Thank you :)
Hey man. I have zero remorse about my 14". Like you I use external monitors all the time and the 16" is too cumbersome to lug around.
Hello all. Can I get some thoughts between this and synology? Thanks
What were the dimensions of the shipping box or even the box it came in?
I’m looking at getting it forwarded from the US and could really use those numbers to get an estimate on shipping.
Hey there. This feels like a Google kind of question.
Sweet looking NAS. Used to own a 2-bay Synology but thinking of repurposing one of my desktop computers. Does the i5 processor support QuickSync?
Good question and I don't know since currently this NAS only runs the native software
Thanks for the review Patrick. I trust UGREEN quality and this is a good looking device, but it's definitely overkill for my needs.
I totally understand
They have smaller ones that use SSD. Check their website.
@@barbancourt69 4xNVME I believe. Looks pretty cool.
How did u get it early? Thank you for the review
Ugreen sent it to me for review.
Thanks for this! Is it no longer available for purchase?
It is but as far as I understand the market for pre-order is limited to certain countries.
Great video Patrick! Question, how's your long term experience been using the drive with the thunderbolt port? Are they fast enough to edit off of?
Thanks Kirk! The model I've reviewed is the non-TB model, which isn't suitable for editing straight off the NAS.
Cheers mate!
I really need to consider a NAS at some point. This one does look pretty sharp.
I feel like such a basic b** for caring about the looks, but I do 😅
@@PatrickRambles in a closet like you say I wouldn’t care, but on my desk, definitely.
A NAS is great, but always remember...If you have ONE copy of a file, then you have ZERO copies. A NAS protects you against drive failure, but does NOT protect against NAS failure. Your house could be burgled, or burn down, etc. Or the NAS itself can fail (It does happen). So, it does not eliminate the need for cloud storage, or at least a SECOND NAS offsite at another location!
100%
Does a NAS need to be Ethernet connected to your modem or router or can it connect to your WiFi wirelessly? I understand that wire is always faster, but is wireless practical? I want to be able to remotely upload pics/video and download for editing using adobe . Thank you.
It needs to be connected via ethernet. I don't think it has its own wifi module.
there is a synology that can connect to wifi, but i also think one of nas from this lineup can too
hi can i know what is the drawer storage at 0:37 u are using? that looks really cool
It's a storage unit by HBM machines. In the US similar ones sell under the name of Husky
Insane looking office. Any plan to do a video tour in the future?
Thanks! Yep it's on the list :)
Hi! I'm confused about Ugreen's max storage, THIS 22T*4+4T*2 thing cofuses me. I have a quick question if anyone may happen to know it; it would help a lot so I can get the NAS before the Kickstarter ends.
Would I be able to use the 4 bay plus version with 4 of these HDDs (Seagate Exos X18 18TB Enterprise HDD)? My budget is short so I would be buying one at a time. No backup up necessary, I just need external, server-like storage and when one drive starts to decay I will put another and copy everything there. Thank you
Hey Andrew, it means you can add a max of 22 Terabyte times 4 plus another 4 Terabyte times two in the form of NVME SSD. I run 4x18TB ironwolf drives and they run very well (and loud 😂). I understand the cost issue and you can populate the bays one by one, but since HDD drives can also fail suddenly, it's risky not to run it in a RAID configuration.
@@PatrickRambles Thank you very much!! Patrick, this was super helpful! currently planning my NAS config and buying it before the kickstarter ends. Have a great one!
Can you connect your iPhone without internet?
Does it have hardware raid?
Nice product Bro 👌. One question i am weak in tech knowledge 😊 . How does it works when we are at very far location ? . Do we need to connect using internet that time ?
Yep, distance doesn't matter. You just use the internet to log in :)
@@PatrickRambles 😊Thanks bro for sharing 🙏
Why should I choose this over the Synology NAS?
Comparing it with Synology, which system do you recommend.?
That's tough. Ugreen definitely has the better bang for buck hardware. Synology has the track record and more mature software. I went with Ugreen and I'm happy to grow with the software.
LOL! I cant believe the Dislikes! Its almost like APPLE BOTS came over to dislike this video cause you cost them money LOL! I completely support what you are talking about here and EVERYONE should switch to this instead of keeping your private info on THEIR systems (Cloud) >;)))
I’m not a fan of supporting kickstarter projects in general let alone a large established company. Either way I’m all set with the Unraid server I built from an old desktop but that’s not for everyone I get it. Unraid has been simple and rock solid for me though I highly recommend it.
How do i buy this?
Can this be accessed directly (via Thunderbolt cable) and NAS at the same time?
This NAS doesn't have a thunderbolt port. the USB C ports is 2.0.
@@PatrickRambles Thanks for the quick response. I guess what I meant is can it be plugged directly to MBP for instance to access the files directly (Not via network as a typical NAS)
I would like to have built-in support for a site-to-site VPN between two or more NAS systems, with automatic sync between them, making them appear to the user as a single system. Does this system support that? I know how to set this up with strongswan, and rsync, etc. I have never seen a system that makes it easy to do by default.
At this time it doesn’t allow third party software or apps. I don’t know about the future.
@@PatrickRambles Then, I fear, I would not buy it. PCs running Linux would make a much more practical NAS. Or FreeNAS.. One of our offices fell into that trap recently, when the office NAS died, taking with it a great deal of crucial data. They didn't have another copy, thinking that if it was on the NAS, it was "safe." I spent many hours trying to recover the data, got some of it, but unfortunately, the NAS took a couple of crucial folders with it when it died. Bye-bye. A NAS needs backup too.
100% a NAS needs backup. And yes there are much more open options like building your own. I think this NAS is built for people who want the benefits of a NAS but don’t want to dive deep into it. It’s almost plug and play.
@@PatrickRambles Agreed, and there is a place for it. But what bothers me about this is these inexpensive standalone NAS systems create a trap that unwary, or unknowledgeable users can fall into all too easily, thinking that if they have a NAS, they are safe, or that a NAS is a replacement for cloud storage. The very title of this video propagates that idea, and that is simply false. A single NAS is NOT a replacement for cloud storage. You need multiple NAS, cloud storage or some other means to backup the NAS. That's my objection, my point, that the video propagates a false sense of security, implying that a single local NAS is a viable alternative to an off-site storage system of some type. It isn't, and by definition, cannot be. I have a NAS, and I use it. But I also have cloud storage, and, frankly, quite a lot of it. The cloud storage backs up my NAS, and my NAS backs up the cloud storage. Yes, your cloud storage needs a backup too! Just because you have iCloud, or G-Drive, or OneDrive does not mean you are safe. While rare, cloud storage does fail too. Simple human error can cause loss of data stored "safely" in the cloud. If you have ONE copy of a file, then you have ZERO copies.
@NathanGregoryAuthor I don’t really see how my title propagates this. I compare NAS storage to internal Mac storage, not cloud storage. It goes without saying that important files need more than one backup.
Can you use this as DAS using the usb c / thunderbolt port
not this model, but the models up from this have TB
Hadn't considered a NAS before but this does look like a really cool solution. Would be cool to hear if those enterprise HDDs make a difference.
Watch this space :)
What are transfer speeds over WiFi? Didn’t hear you mention them.
Depends on your connection.
Hello! I have a question. I’m planning on ditching google photos and get myself one of these.
My question is : since you can create user profiles. If two different users backup their photos, will they be stored in the same photo library ? Or will each user have their own ?
For example say I have a 100 picture of a dog and my wife has 100 pictures of a cat, when I open the photos app. Will I see 200 pictures under my account ?
You can create folders and assign them to different users. You can set it up so that only the user has access. The roles every user has are customizable.
@@PatrickRambles I think understand but I heard from other reviewers that if you use the ugreen app to back up photos they get sent to a default folder into to the nas.
I just would like to know if each user will have its own set of photos. The same way google photos is with different gmail accounts.
For truly professional workloads, the lackluster storage is a bit more defensible as external and networked storage options exist are are getting cheaper year over year... I have like 470 gigs of my one terabyte space on OneDrive used up, and 90% of that is photos and videos from my camera and phone. Turns out, games aside, 1 terabyte is kinda hard to fill unless you have a TON of high-quality video content, either as your own production or a media library of lossless Blu-Ray rips.
It's incredibly easy to full up a terabyte with raw video footage. Cloud storage is not fast enough.
Interesting!! But, I need to know more, I also need to know how it works with Windows/Android. I'm OS agnostic and use multiple in my office.
Hey Robert, there's a couple of good reviews by windows users as well, may be worth having a look!
@@PatrickRambles Thanks Patrick, I use both Windows and Mac, so a NAS for me has to be usable on both at the same time.
Do all HDD have to be the same size? Or is that flexible? ie, drive 1 can be 20 TB, drive 2 can be 10 TB, etc?
Hey! Good question. It's possible to mix and match but the space on each drive will be determined by the smallest drive. It's not recommended to get drives of different speeds because they will operate at different vibrations.
@@PatrickRambles that's the beauty of synology nas. They have a raid type called 'SHR' which allows a mix of HDD with different sizes.
@PaulEddie that's quite interesting! I'm not 100% sure whether this or one of the other NAS UGREEN's lineup offers that option. I'll check.
How can you have it in another room? Doesn't it need to be wired to the modem/router? Sorry, not too tech savvy myself. I would like to keep it away in another room, but didn't think it was an option
Do you keep your modem next to your computer ?
@@PatrickRambles I do not, I keep it by my TV and gaming consoles
I have been thinking of getting a NAS system. I want to get to my files and pictures remotely. I use a Raspberry Pi for my home automation. It is not the most stable platform for me. A NAS would be much more stable. Thanks for the review.
Thanks Steve! I think NAS systems are perfect for archiving
Very interesting. The 4 Bay would be my thing. But unfortunately no Thunderbolt ports. Too bad... maybe next year 🙈
The model up from this one has TB ports.
@@PatrickRambles I know. But I don't need more than 4 drives 😁
Yeah, it's a pity, would have been nice to be able to use it as a DAS.
Do you need to be connected to the same network>
Nope. An internet connection is all you need. However, if you are on the same network, transfer speeds will be higher.
I'm assuming that this is more Apple/Mac friendly? How compatible is it with PC and Samsung Galaxy devices?
Not at all , PC and android as well :)
I appreciate the info!
I will not be using it as a NAS. I'm planning to use it as a TB4 storage drive. Can you talk about integrating to the Mac using the TB4 interface?
Unfortunately only the pro model has TB so I can't say much about that.
Can we use this as DAS? Without network attached?
Not this model. I believe the thunderbolt models are supposed to get this functionality.
@@PatrickRambles qnap 472 xt?
Is there a question in there?
I'm never going back to Apple's storage prices after seeing this NAS.
What about security issues? anything that is on cloud is prone to hacking isn't?
Anything that is connected to the internet is susceptible to hacking. Storage companies spend a lot of resources on making their products and applications as robust as possible.
Can someone paste the kickstarter link? I tried finding it in the massive description, or a pinned comment, but use VoiceOver and got overwhelmed. tia :)
It's right at the top :) - bit.ly/3IWcfcP
Yes cloud storage cost is horrendously expensive; however the biggest pro for cloud storage is that it is off site. Therefor if for some reason your home/business were to encounter a catastrophic event (like fire) your data is safe off site. So how do you addressing this using NAS?
Most NAS systems come with cloud backup. If never recommend keeping all you data in one place. With that said, I was referring to the price of internal Apple SSD, rather than cloud storage.
@@PatrickRambles Ah I understand. Is there a cost associated with cloud storage or is it included in the cost of the NSA? I see 12TB iCloud option plans. 16TB with Apple if it is available must cost close to $100 per month.
I second that!
With how fast the transfer rates are, just wondering if you could run games off it
Probably not from this one. Maybe from the TB version, but I haven't tested that one.
your mind was so somewhere else when you said ...up to 46GB lol
Looks like a great product and I got really excited about it when I first heard about it, until I found out that you can only back it if you live in the US or Germany :(
Yeah I saw that too. Absolute bummer, I hope that opens up to more markets soon!
One problem with that, can’t install programs on it. Otherwise a good solution
No third party software (yet). But a lot of people are complaining about it so who knows.
i think WD started it 1st.. they had wirelss HDD.. you can access via wifi..
The ugreen product needs a lot of time to mature before even using it for data storage, go with a mature company link synology or qnap. The software on the nas is not very good and missing a lot of features.
thats why im getting one to support the cause. we need more nas providers.
@@TheFreestyleStorm I own two Synology NAS'es but I backed this one too on Kickstarter not as a replacement but as an extra media server. Those specs are hard to beat at that price. As much as I like my Synology NAS'es, we need more competition on the NAS department and I hope U green succeeds. 😗
@xellaz I love that approach. The more players, the better for the consumer. It keeps brands on their toes and fosters innovation.
@@xellazfor real the specs are unreal in this space. i have 2 synology nases as well. my issue lies in the fact that the synology software is great yet is hindered by the fact the hardware is so slow.
Why even have a good vm manager if i have a slow dual core cpu and 2GB of ram? I can only hope ugreen will have long term support for their software.
@@TheFreestyleStorm Yea man! Most of Synology NAS'es are weak on hardware and the decent ones are too expensive! For the price I paid for my 6-bay DS1621xs+ I could have gotten myself an 8-bay and a 6-bay UGreen NAS at those super early bird pricing and with better hardware and connections! Front SD card reader and dual thunderbolt 4 ports on the higher models! Not to mention dual 10GBe too! That would cost you a fortune if Synology included all those. 😅
I’m not a techie, I’m a photographer. Currently running two 10TB drives in raid. Can I run a NAS straight off a laptop. I’d love to ditch my giant windows tower. Hope this makes sense….
Hey Dave, you can even run a NAS off your smartphone, as long as it's hooked up to your modem or router.
@@PatrickRambles😮 - I’m so out of touch!
I always find my Synology absurdly non-intuitive to use, I mean its software UI and ways to configure stuff.
This UGreen seems better to use.
It is definitely very easy to use.
What if you are ipad only?
Would probably be a bit overkill I think.
@@PatrickRambles I should’ve worded it better but can you set up the Nas if you’re only iPad only. Does it have to be set up on a computer?
Not available in the UK!!!?? 😠
Sadly not the kickstarter. Hopefully it will become more widely available soon.
Ugreen need to mature their software for sure , we don’t need an another player in the market that use a OS that is mature as Qnap security. You know what I mean.
Yep, the software needs work, they know it and are working hard on that. It's part of why it's a kickstarter project. The hardware is fantastic so as far as I'm concerned it can only get better. Let's see 😊
I own a Synology dual bay for many many years. It has a more mature software. Keep in mind that every few years you have to replace one or more disks.
@@PatrickRambles 100% agree with you . Their hardware is a killer feature.
damn those guns 😅
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By the way the smalest version is near same price like an 256Gb upgrade..so why not to buy..its far better usable..
I'm not sure what you're saying.
Synology is a lot better!
Based on what?
Soon you will add more and more to NAS...just like I did...you will need an 8 bay NAS soon. lol
Most likely. I already fitted this one with 4x18TB in a RAID 5 configuration. Seems like a lot but with all these video files it will fill up.
no negatives???
Like I said, the software needs to mature. In terms of hardware : none.
how silent is it_?
Depends on the drives you put in. WD Red : super quiet. Seagate Iron Wolf Pro : Loud as hell.
I place an order DXP2800 perfect for my need
ok i want
Hey bro - I genuinely love it. It's very low threshold if you're just getting into NAS.
HDD's use a lot of energy and are slow a/f. ancient technology. also network delay is prolly to high to run program off of it. so idk what to do with it really.
Yeah - of course you can stick SSDs in there for higher speeds but for me this is mainly video storage, I'm not about to edit off of a NAS.
Software seems weak...
The more logical solution for me would be not buying an Apple product at all. My Windows notebook came with 1 TB of storage and two years later I added another 2 TB for just around 120 Euros. I might replace the 1 TB module by a 4 TB module one day. That is so convenient. Of course I could also use external storage, but I already use external storage for backup.
Apple pricing is an insult to its consumers. It should not be possible that Apple uses the fact that the storage is soldered to the board against its own consumers. Consumer protection in the US leaves a lot to be desired. US authorities usually protect the interest of companies, not the consumers.
I agree it's ridiculous that we can't upgrade. With that said, Apple is obsessed with quality control and simply won't allow any tinkering. They do abuse this fact by overcharging.
No Datas usb
Not this model
Kickstarter..🙂↕️🙂↕️
Shame they're only shipping to the USA and Germany. UK, the rest of Europe and the World aren't given a look in on what looks a nice product unfortunately.
Agreed. Hopefully soon
That is really dangerous to recommend NAS technologies to average consumer. Their data are at stakes, so you would better insist on NAS backup using external SSD plugged to the unit and/or scheduling cloud backup. Ugreen should plan that as well in their offer IMHO.
Of course, great review. Maybe having a NAS at everyone’s home will become finally a trend 🤞
Hello, affordable NAS.
Apple storage is highway robbery. It’s crazy.
S3…...
How ludicrous! This is ancient history.
What is.