Exaclty. Ultimates arent difficult but getting 7 other knucklheads that are competent, willing to clear instead of being a week 1 meme party, and consistent are the true difficulty
eden (verse and promise) was my first raid tier and i am beyond excited for FRU. can't wait to see light rampant 2.0 electric boogaloo and quadriple apoc!!
I am glad you give alpha omega its deserved props, I've been told by a lot of people its their least favorite simply because the enrage is boring but honestly the entire phase is terrifying and requires you to make 0 mistakes which makes it that much more threatening/intense. I think either square doubles down on the debuff vomit or they just give people overhead tells sort of like playstation to resolve the mechs whether people admit it or not PF is integral to the game I'll still always prefer to be in a voice chat when progging. However, I would like there to be some sort of organization. You can definitely still make a mechanic difficult but know what you have to do with what debuff you're given just like Nidstinien. DSR is the perfect example of what a ultimate is and should be. Yes PF still uses melon for wroth flames but if AM were to disappear tomorrow there is definitely ways to self mark and indicate what your position will be before the first wroth flames stack. Really interested to watch you prog FRU and I hope you get the time to go over each phase and strats you and your team are able to come up with in a future video, goodluck on your guys clear!
It is definitely very hard to convince anyone that isn’t into raiding, and even some that are, why you would subject yourself to an ultimate. 100% agree that feeling of clearing one is amazing. The weapons and titles are sometimes cool but they’re nothing compared to the clear itself.
Honestly getting a competent group together is the hardest part about doing one. The fights themselves arent bad because of the whole FFXIV philosophy of song and dance If mech were done in random absolutely ultimates would be the hardest thing ive done in a video game
You can tell by the dragon positioning that the lightning adds in Fatebreaker don't go off at the same time. The one hidden at the back has a dragon already encircling it while the one on the right, the dragon has only just spawned and is coming down from the top. This second dragon looks like it's more related to the middle one but it is actually related to the one on the right because that's how the dragon entrance animation looks. So even without cast bars you can tell a degree that these don't necessarily all play out simultaneously. Also the spell effects around Gaia during that Quad Apoc is the effect for spell in waiting... so Quad Apoc + Spell in waiting at the same time gg can't wait :D
Criterion savage is also a good way to prep your mind for ulti, makes you respect every mech even the simplest ones and be focused the entire pull as one death is reset much like large portions of DSR/TOP.
The Quad Apoc has Spell in Waiting as well, she has the effect around her; the question is if the apoc is part of the Spell in Waiting, either all of them or a couple at a time....or if the Spell in Waiting is part of a second mechanic that happens after Quad Apoc. Either way, can't wait for FRU, it's going to be awesome.
im sick of argeuements that boil down to "I shouldnt be in a VC to clear mmo hard content". I think mmos are generally anti social now and wanting things to be easy for PF hurts what makes this genre special to lots of people. I like having to work with my group.
I've always wondered what's going to happen when they eventually catch up with expansions in terms of ultimates, when they've exhausted all the options available are we gonna get an ultimate with completely new bosses and mechs?
I can't wait to see what the devs included for fru sadly won't be doing fru myself as this is my first tier so still slightly new to the hardcore end game content but someday will do fru and can't wait for that live letter
I think we'll get the Stormblood Story Ultimate together with Dawntrail Story Ultimate culminating on the level 90 duel with Zenos and maybe bringing Hydaelyn and Zodiark into it between Shinryu and Zenos Viator Galvus
When i Played the game i wanted to do all of the ultimates in chronological order so i started from UCoB, as much as i foundly remember the attempts and hours spend on doing it, the fact it was taboo to tell someone they sucked made the collapse of the team afterwards very sad experience, and made me attempts to find next premade demoralizing.
I’m going to be progging it blind with everyone who’s racing on week one and then plan to raid once a week with my group till we clear with the possible exception of Christmas vacation
If they give it the LHW treatment by making it fall over in a fraction of the expected time, it’ll spell catastrophe because it’ll show SE isn’t interested in making content that actually challenges us
Im kinda disappointed they skipped a stormblood story ultimate tbh. I know stormblood was super disjointed and often poorly written, but it still had some good moments. Also, a lot of the same criticism apply to ARR, and we still got UWU. Eden does have some potential to be cool though, many cool mechanics there, and the ending cutscene of E12s has Gaia saying “I will return” that never really got followed up on, so there is potential here. It would be interesting to see a followup to E12s’s alternate story.
People speculate that they skipped the SB MSQ ultimate because it will have to include shinryu in it, and they want to save that for the EW MSQ ultimate, as the final phase vs Zenos. just speculation tho
Will you be doing a video on TEA in the same style of DSR/TOP if you haven’t already? They’re really fun to listen to and generates a lot of hype in me \o/
Kind of disappointed that going right to Eden means we're likely never going to get a Four Lords ultimate. Seems the perfect setup for an ultimate, letting the players go through the four lords then actually get to face off against Koryu instead of watching a cutscene.
i think there are still a possibility, assuming that ultimates weapons are reprints of their respective expansion relic or last savage weapon (like FRU will possibly be Eden12 weapons) and we still can see Stormblood relics weapon being reprinted in an ultimate! (i forgot top are from stormblood lol)
Ultimates has not been about optional trials. Its always been about the Final boss of the expansion or the raid boss. If we get the other Stormblood ultimate. It would be Zenos and maybe Yotsuyu
My counterargument for AM and someone manually marking that in either case you, as a player, don't have agency in this mechanic as someone decides for you where to go, you are not allowed to solve it for yourself. This is because you share your need to get dynamis stack with multiple people all the time so some system is needed so people don't pick the same position. While its possible to solve that with priority system, its not reliable enough for something so deep in the fight given ppl still mess up prio in looper. As for AM itself, it is abused for the mechs where Square Enix puts debuffs in party list with no visual indication on characters, so people do the latter part themselves. Hello Word in TOP is fun to do when you see visually what everybody has, this is how such mechs should be.
You could use other methods to solve Omega without relying on 1 person. Everyone can manually mark themselves 1-8 beforehand. When debuffs appear, if you have HW1 you remove your assigned number. The healers can each mark 2 monitors with different icons (top to bottom or bottom to top like using Esuna in TEA). The remained 4 people spread relatively N-S from lower to higher number. There's a way for every will and an excuse for lack thereof.
I wouldnt say the shiny weapons aint sheit, its the trophy that symbolises all the good and hard work that was acheived with the clear. Anyone I see that has it has walked that hard road as some of us have
It's not a trophy when people are buying clears. However, it's a slightly different story if you see them in the first few weeks of an ultimate release.
@@Corvus7159 idk I think way too many are giving into insecurity over other people cheating. I still feel proud of clearing why should I care about some rando thinking I had to of cheated too. Being annoyed by other people cheating is different from feeling like your clear is worthless because you think everyone else thinks you cheated too lol
Idea: What if we got an ultimate for another time called Stories of another reflection [Placeholdername: FF6] Ultimate. Would be kinda neat and fresh imo! If they wanted to like do a bit of fan service (more then usual). Lol
I dislike the idea of ultimate raids, not because I dislike the idea of having something that challenging, but because I dislike the idea of needing to be friends with (or at least on good terms with) over half a dozen other people who can not only all play at the same time alongside you but also have what it takes to clear it. I wouldn't mind trying to get BiS gear, turn my rotation into muscle memory, and just generally get better at the game, were it not for the fact that you need to find seven other people who are not only willing to do the same but also have clear enough schedules that you all actually have that 100+ hours to bash your heads against the same brick wall together simultaneously. And did I mention that you need to actually like them all enough to want to play in a group with them and have them all like you enough as well?
I can tell you that in my experience helping friends in Aether PF it is really not bad at all. I just recently was able to help a friend clear DSR in PF through a C41, he did all the studying all the leg work and he cleared. I promise you on content ulti raiding is what you're describing, this is why Rinon says in the video that if that isn't your style simply just wait until there are more solid/consistent strats and the fight is solved. You aren't required to like anyone in PF, and if you prog with a friend in PF it's equally as fun and exciting to tackle that content with someone who is like-minded and fresh. The only thing keeping people from ulti raiding is their mindset, you can go into ucob right now after watching a guide and get past the first 2 phases if you really put the effort in, it's no different than watching a hector guide and doing an extreme. Apply yourself and you can do it.
All I want is the first phase to not be a snoozer. I haven't finished DSR because starting with a trio phase is just not good and haven't finished TOP because program loop is p8s snakes but longer and with mind numbing music and pantokrater isn't much better give me something fun and dynamic in the first phase and that alone will make me want to see it through to the end
Just a quick thing on the suggestion of doing MINE: You don't need to do that. You can do the fight unsynced, remove echo and use a gearset that "simulates" the min ilvl stats while keeping the level 100 rotation. I don't remember the name of the challenge/spreadsheet but Xeno did it recently and it was quite fun to watch.
Right I think ultimate's are cool but as a filthy casual I have no interest in doing them (love watching and cheering on though). But if it was Zenos I would suffer ultimate's for it. Closest thing im going to get to my Vegeta style Zenos arc
DSR and TEA will be hard to top (no pun atrended) But yes community gemerally love those two Uwu is the most accessible and honestly just a lighter savage nowadays, ucob is rather boring, and TOP was a janky mess filled with rng based on your role
Technically they do get *a little* easier over time due to certain jobs and stat shenanigans, just not to the extent an unsync ex/savage would be. Allowing unsync for ultimate would ruin the entire point of ultimate imo
Depends if Perfect Alexander shows up.
ult players have one joke and its funny every time
Every phase is Perfect Alexander. Perfect sweep.
@musicvogeladeline ult players have one goat and he's perfect every time
Truly, the best thing about FRU is that once you have cleared all the ultimates, including FRU you can officially call yourself a sex legend
finding 7 friends is the hardest phase to prog by far
Seven likes on the comment 😅 looks like you're good 😂
Exaclty. Ultimates arent difficult but getting 7 other knucklheads that are competent, willing to clear instead of being a week 1 meme party, and consistent are the true difficulty
Nah there's like a million statics looking for people in the various ultimate discords. Made some great friends that way.
Still very hard to find ppl you rlly match with@@ArborusVitae
I can’t wait for the recap video!
Other people are excited to actually watch the race, I’m excitied for the hour-long Rinon documentary about the race
Spell in waiting and light rampart will totally be there at the same time
Gonna spell in waiting the light rampant while another mechanic is going on (probably a junction)
Triple Apoc Rampant
we will see, TOP had a hello world that was 10x times easier than both in o12s
Whatever the fight does, I look forward to the inevitable plugin drama that will happen. o7
Plugin drama, world first witch hunting, maybe another footage leak, etc.
They still wont admit to being cheaters we wont be able to call a spade a spade because of ego.
like 80% of the raiding community uses? lmao
When there is a pixel in the sky of paradise ruining what is otherwise a perfect run:
eden (verse and promise) was my first raid tier and i am beyond excited for FRU. can't wait to see light rampant 2.0 electric boogaloo and quadriple apoc!!
Hell yeah!
I am glad you give alpha omega its deserved props, I've been told by a lot of people its their least favorite simply because the enrage is boring but honestly the entire phase is terrifying and requires you to make 0 mistakes which makes it that much more threatening/intense. I think either square doubles down on the debuff vomit or they just give people overhead tells sort of like playstation to resolve the mechs whether people admit it or not PF is integral to the game I'll still always prefer to be in a voice chat when progging. However, I would like there to be some sort of organization. You can definitely still make a mechanic difficult but know what you have to do with what debuff you're given just like Nidstinien. DSR is the perfect example of what a ultimate is and should be. Yes PF still uses melon for wroth flames but if AM were to disappear tomorrow there is definitely ways to self mark and indicate what your position will be before the first wroth flames stack. Really interested to watch you prog FRU and I hope you get the time to go over each phase and strats you and your team are able to come up with in a future video, goodluck on your guys clear!
It is definitely very hard to convince anyone that isn’t into raiding, and even some that are, why you would subject yourself to an ultimate. 100% agree that feeling of clearing one is amazing. The weapons and titles are sometimes cool but they’re nothing compared to the clear itself.
Honestly getting a competent group together is the hardest part about doing one. The fights themselves arent bad because of the whole FFXIV philosophy of song and dance
If mech were done in random absolutely ultimates would be the hardest thing ive done in a video game
You can tell by the dragon positioning that the lightning adds in Fatebreaker don't go off at the same time. The one hidden at the back has a dragon already encircling it while the one on the right, the dragon has only just spawned and is coming down from the top. This second dragon looks like it's more related to the middle one but it is actually related to the one on the right because that's how the dragon entrance animation looks.
So even without cast bars you can tell a degree that these don't necessarily all play out simultaneously.
Also the spell effects around Gaia during that Quad Apoc is the effect for spell in waiting... so Quad Apoc + Spell in waiting at the same time gg can't wait :D
this will be my first ultimate on patch. i'm terrified and excited! >:)
I had fun trying to clear dsr in pf but I wish I had 7 other friends to try and actually clear an ultimate.
Nice video, can you link that gear synch sheet? Thanks :)
Criterion savage is also a good way to prep your mind for ulti, makes you respect every mech even the simplest ones and be focused the entire pull as one death is reset much like large portions of DSR/TOP.
It would appear the answer is no, not quite.
I don't know if it will live up to DSR, but as long as it closer to DSR then TOP I'll be happy.
The Quad Apoc has Spell in Waiting as well, she has the effect around her; the question is if the apoc is part of the Spell in Waiting, either all of them or a couple at a time....or if the Spell in Waiting is part of a second mechanic that happens after Quad Apoc. Either way, can't wait for FRU, it's going to be awesome.
>teenage girliepops
why is that so funny and so real
We wont see Zenos Ulimate for another 10 years i think. We gona see him return> Defeat him>Wait 2 expacs> Zenos Ultimate.
I bet the next ultimate is Zenos/shinryu + zodiark + hydaelyn + meteion
im sick of argeuements that boil down to "I shouldnt be in a VC to clear mmo hard content". I think mmos are generally anti social now and wanting things to be easy for PF hurts what makes this genre special to lots of people. I like having to work with my group.
I've always wondered what's going to happen when they eventually catch up with expansions in terms of ultimates, when they've exhausted all the options available are we gonna get an ultimate with completely new bosses and mechs?
You know what...
I'm looking forward to seeing the girliepop oracle fusion cutscene...
I can't wait to see what the devs included for fru sadly won't be doing fru myself as this is my first tier so still slightly new to the hardcore end game content but someday will do fru and can't wait for that live letter
I think we'll get the Stormblood Story Ultimate together with Dawntrail Story Ultimate culminating on the level 90 duel with Zenos and maybe bringing Hydaelyn and Zodiark into it between Shinryu and Zenos Viator Galvus
On mobile, on the thumbnail the video's time hides a part of the R so it looks like a P
Dragonsong's Peprise
When i Played the game i wanted to do all of the ultimates in chronological order so i started from UCoB, as much as i foundly remember the attempts and hours spend on doing it, the fact it was taboo to tell someone they sucked made the collapse of the team afterwards very sad experience, and made me attempts to find next premade demoralizing.
Rinon may we have the gear sync spreadsheet for the eden raids? i am very curious!
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HjZB9wSokd5yZGgNwRlV4bbfCr3cXQLD5SMdArF0iS4/edit?gid=1997354076#gid=1997354076
So looking forward to it (also because of the insanely good music we'll likely get)
Im not sure if im gonna attempt, but im hyped AF to follow the event on stream !
youtube pushed e8s phase2, e11s, e12s phase 1 and 2 in "my mix" playlist by itself. youtube plans something
I have a feeling the Primals will end up showing up in a new ultimate themselves. It seems too good of an idea not to have an Ultimate like that.
Literally how would you know anything before it even comes out?
We'll find out when it drops, no point speculating.
If Ultimecia appears I'll shit myself.
I’m going to be progging it blind with everyone who’s racing on week one and then plan to raid once a week with my group till we clear with the possible exception of Christmas vacation
If they give it the LHW treatment by making it fall over in a fraction of the expected time, it’ll spell catastrophe because it’ll show SE isn’t interested in making content that actually challenges us
Im kinda disappointed they skipped a stormblood story ultimate tbh. I know stormblood was super disjointed and often poorly written, but it still had some good moments. Also, a lot of the same criticism apply to ARR, and we still got UWU.
Eden does have some potential to be cool though, many cool mechanics there, and the ending cutscene of E12s has Gaia saying “I will return” that never really got followed up on, so there is potential here. It would be interesting to see a followup to E12s’s alternate story.
Uhm, Omega Protocol? Omega is a Stormblood raid.
@@ProtossOP I think they meant the Stormblood MSQ Ultimate like UWU and DSR are to ARR and HW.
People speculate that they skipped the SB MSQ ultimate because it will have to include shinryu in it, and they want to save that for the EW MSQ ultimate, as the final phase vs Zenos. just speculation tho
@@pitta3114 That would motivate me to try ultimates even though I have no interest but love cheering on others/watching.
Will you be doing a video on TEA in the same style of DSR/TOP if you haven’t already? They’re really fun to listen to and generates a lot of hype in me \o/
I'd love to do harder content but finding a group is the harder parts, I can do the voice calls and such but idk how to get into groups minus PF.
It’ll be the best one if ryne & gaia kiss at the end or smth then it’ll be peak (also the glams will probably look absolutely amazing)
I’m not ready to relive lights rampant. 😭 I just know that it will paired up with something like relativity.
it probably won't be no DSR but i expect it to be on the same tier as the endwalker ultimates (S tier)
Kind of disappointed that going right to Eden means we're likely never going to get a Four Lords ultimate. Seems the perfect setup for an ultimate, letting the players go through the four lords then actually get to face off against Koryu instead of watching a cutscene.
i think there are still a possibility, assuming that ultimates weapons are reprints of their respective expansion relic or last savage weapon (like FRU will possibly be Eden12 weapons) and we still can see Stormblood relics weapon being reprinted in an ultimate! (i forgot top are from stormblood lol)
That would be cool even though I think the Eden idea is also cool.
Ultimates has not been about optional trials. Its always been about the Final boss of the expansion or the raid boss. If we get the other Stormblood ultimate. It would be Zenos and maybe Yotsuyu
My counterargument for AM and someone manually marking that in either case you, as a player, don't have agency in this mechanic as someone decides for you where to go, you are not allowed to solve it for yourself.
This is because you share your need to get dynamis stack with multiple people all the time so some system is needed so people don't pick the same position.
While its possible to solve that with priority system, its not reliable enough for something so deep in the fight given ppl still mess up prio in looper.
As for AM itself, it is abused for the mechs where Square Enix puts debuffs in party list with no visual indication on characters, so people do the latter part themselves. Hello Word in TOP is fun to do when you see visually what everybody has, this is how such mechs should be.
You could use other methods to solve Omega without relying on 1 person. Everyone can manually mark themselves 1-8 beforehand. When debuffs appear, if you have HW1 you remove your assigned number. The healers can each mark 2 monitors with different icons (top to bottom or bottom to top like using Esuna in TEA). The remained 4 people spread relatively N-S from lower to higher number.
There's a way for every will and an excuse for lack thereof.
jokes on me...still struggling with m4s...
I wouldnt say the shiny weapons aint sheit, its the trophy that symbolises all the good and hard work that was acheived with the clear. Anyone I see that has it has walked that hard road as some of us have
I've slowly seen ultimate weapons become mentor tier in terms of people don't care and actually think you're probably bad if you have it equipped* 😂
@ Yes it’s notable that legends often become complacent when doing easier content that they are the ones dying to mundane mechanics.
It's not a trophy when people are buying clears. However, it's a slightly different story if you see them in the first few weeks of an ultimate release.
@@Corvus7159 idk I think way too many are giving into insecurity over other people cheating. I still feel proud of clearing why should I care about some rando thinking I had to of cheated too.
Being annoyed by other people cheating is different from feeling like your clear is worthless because you think everyone else thinks you cheated too lol
Idea: What if we got an ultimate for another time called Stories of another reflection [Placeholdername: FF6] Ultimate. Would be kinda neat and fresh imo! If they wanted to like do a bit of fan service (more then usual). Lol
I dislike the idea of ultimate raids, not because I dislike the idea of having something that challenging, but because I dislike the idea of needing to be friends with (or at least on good terms with) over half a dozen other people who can not only all play at the same time alongside you but also have what it takes to clear it. I wouldn't mind trying to get BiS gear, turn my rotation into muscle memory, and just generally get better at the game, were it not for the fact that you need to find seven other people who are not only willing to do the same but also have clear enough schedules that you all actually have that 100+ hours to bash your heads against the same brick wall together simultaneously. And did I mention that you need to actually like them all enough to want to play in a group with them and have them all like you enough as well?
I can tell you that in my experience helping friends in Aether PF it is really not bad at all. I just recently was able to help a friend clear DSR in PF through a C41, he did all the studying all the leg work and he cleared. I promise you on content ulti raiding is what you're describing, this is why Rinon says in the video that if that isn't your style simply just wait until there are more solid/consistent strats and the fight is solved. You aren't required to like anyone in PF, and if you prog with a friend in PF it's equally as fun and exciting to tackle that content with someone who is like-minded and fresh. The only thing keeping people from ulti raiding is their mindset, you can go into ucob right now after watching a guide and get past the first 2 phases if you really put the effort in, it's no different than watching a hector guide and doing an extreme. Apply yourself and you can do it.
Coffee Biscuit (Ultimate)
Simple it has oppai thus it is the best automatically
All I want is the first phase to not be a snoozer. I haven't finished DSR because starting with a trio phase is just not good and haven't finished TOP because program loop is p8s snakes but longer and with mind numbing music and pantokrater isn't much better
give me something fun and dynamic in the first phase and that alone will make me want to see it through to the end
lmao jus say you have a skill issue bro
"the friends" *proceeds to show lalas*
There's an issue here
I really want to do these fights...but none of my friends want too 😅
Not sure the stated ratio of 1:1 for people interested in ultimates vs those thinking it is waste of dev is really accurate.
yeah probably more like 10:1 or even less
Part of me wants Shadow Master to show up, but that's just because I want the gender assumption jokes to come back.
Could be based on the music alone.
Based
They mostly skip Stormblood ultimate to keep it for Endwalker I think
No reason to go back? That disrespect on the Four Lords, for shame. I want to fight ultimate reunited Tenzen
Why am I watching this? I haven't even done an extreme... lol 😂😂
Just a quick thing on the suggestion of doing MINE: You don't need to do that. You can do the fight unsynced, remove echo and use a gearset that "simulates" the min ilvl stats while keeping the level 100 rotation. I don't remember the name of the challenge/spreadsheet but Xeno did it recently and it was quite fun to watch.
This is exactly what I’m referencing and the link to the sheet is in the description LOL
@@RinBanana Oh. Oops. Sorry.
Talk to me when there's a Zenos ultimate
Right I think ultimate's are cool but as a filthy casual I have no interest in doing them (love watching and cheering on though). But if it was Zenos I would suffer ultimate's for it. Closest thing im going to get to my Vegeta style Zenos arc
DSR and TEA will be hard to top (no pun atrended)
But yes community gemerally love those two
Uwu is the most accessible and honestly just a lighter savage nowadays, ucob is rather boring, and TOP was a janky mess filled with rng based on your role
We must prepare for the Giga Fusion Lesbian we will get as a final phase.
I kinda made a descision way back that I would never do Ultimate nor Extreme unless it becomes either easier or I can clear it with unsync.
Technically they do get *a little* easier over time due to certain jobs and stat shenanigans, just not to the extent an unsync ex/savage would be. Allowing unsync for ultimate would ruin the entire point of ultimate imo
@Corvus7159 That is most certainly fine with me.
No it won't, because TOP exists
no
Uses picture of lalas as friends... smfh
well i think it'll be the worst one