How Accurate is FGO's Medea?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- How well does Fate/Grand Order portray Medea, the Witch of Colchis? How close is Medea's in-game version to her mythological counterpart? In this video we delve into her character design, in-game skills, and characterization in order to determine that, followed up by giving it a grade in terms of its historical accuracy. Was Medea truly a supremely talented sorceress who committed vicious murders and a brutal revenge against Jason? Find out here!
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00:00 Intro
00:15 Class
00:42 Character Design
02:22 Medea Skillset
04:45 Medea Lily Skillset
06:16 Noble Phantasms
08:22 Bond Craft Essences
10:05 Valentine CE’s
12:15 Medea in Greek Mythology
19:19 Medea in Fate/Stay Night
21:40 Medea in FGO
23:49 Conclusion
25:02 Final Grade - เกม
To me the most hilarious way Fate adapted Medea's traits is how the story of sending that poisoned dress to Jason's new bride implicitly is referenced in F/SN by Medea putting Artoria in a dress in UBW. By "Fate/hollow ataraxia", this evolved into a general interest in dressing up people (mostly Artoria). And Medea's implied offscreen counterpart in "Hana no Miyako" just works in fashion industry. She also has a daughter with Souichirou Kuzuki in that world.
Greek mythology, punishment for being an idiot is the most normal thing in history
Jason: "So there's a new problem, who's know how to solve it?"
Medea: *raised hand up*
Jason: "That doesn’t involved murder!"
Medea: *slowly putting hand down*
16:39 Because as we all know most of Greek mythology begins with five words: "Unfortunately Zeus was feeling horny."
I always assumed that Medea's NP Rule Breaker was a reference to the knife she used to cut her younger brother into pieces and threw those pieces into the sea in order to distract her father and allow the Argo to escape. Killing your sibling was heavily taboo especially in Ancient Greece as it was considered an affront to the gods so it was a huge 'breaking of the rules'. Conceptually, that knife gained not only the reputation for treachery but also defiance against both divinity and society.
That is possible, but the dagger in Rule Breaker is noticeably more for ceremonial purposes. It's not so good at actually being a dagger.
@@CrazyYurie That's true it isn't so practical as a dagger but there are several possibilities. The first possibility is that the original dagger didn't look like that until after the incident which warped its appearance. The second possibility is that it looked like that all along but as a magical tool its way more durable than a typical dagger. This means that it could still be used to kill and cut someone apart but it would be an extremely gruesome process which would further justify how horrified Jason was with her following this. The last possibility is that this isn't the original dagger at all but rather one she made with magecraft to symbolically represent what she did with the original dagger but in such a shape that she wouldn't be able to practically repeat the horrible crimes as a Servant that she committed with it in the past that ruined her life.
Ah Medea, she and Medusa are the actual best girls of the original Stay Night crew.
I love when we get to see her softer side in side media like Today's Menu or the Carnival Phantasm. She's surprisingly adorable and I like seeing her happy after all the crap she's been through.
Also I enjoyed her beating the hell out of Caren/Amor in that Valentine event.
I really wanted to talk about that Amor/Eros bit, but... I have to save that for the Amor/Eros video. Otherwise... there just won't be much to talk about with that character's screentime. x_x
@@CrazyYurie
To be honest, I’m not a fan of Kotomine’s batshit crazy daughter, so I was all aboard to let Medea vent and get some revenge on one of the gods that ruined her life.
@@Alexzander1989 I still have to play Ataraxia. I've had it on my list since the Valentine's event... when I was pondering doing a video on Bazett. x_x
@@CrazyYurie
No one ever seems to talk much about Ateraxia outside of the slice of life stuff or the r@pe scene at the church between Caren and the angry mango.
No one ever actual talks about the plot of what happens with Bazett, outside of the fact that it’s all taking place in her head in a repeating loop thanks to the angry mango.
So I honestly couldn’t tell you what happens plot wise since no one on any of the communities I’m part of actually talk about it.
Plus Nasu’s older writing is not my cup of tea, so his older VNs and novels are a pass from me.
@@Alexzander1989 Well, i'll see how it goes... eventually.
11:06 Least gruesome Greek tale:
Wahahaha
I wanna point out some of the stuff that do paint Medea as a good.
I wanna point out how in UBW she didn't actually anybody, she INTENTIONALLY avoided killing the people she took mana from, she only took enough to make them comatose. Which means Medea had planned to ensure her "battery" would survive and recover after she had won the war, as she is against unneeded casualties.
She had Kuzuki leave Shinji alive, they only targeted Medusa in that attack, meaning she was planning to avoid killing him regardless of his master status.
I forgot where, but it is mentioned in official material that a lot of Medea's more antagonistic and villainous behavior is a defensive mask, something stemming from how she had been treated by people since she left Colchis, having found herself playing into the perception of "The Witch of Betrayal" as a sort of defensive response, likely spawning from the trauma and manipulation endured during her time as an argonaut and with Jason.
The Fate version of Medea, the further and further ya look, is a good person, and it likely was the love curse being..... A bit overpowering that lead to a good chunk of the murdering. As for her kids, this is something more redeemable in some myths, as some depictions having bury them beneath a temple in order to plead to the god of that temple to return them and grant immortality. It didn't work.
Complete side note, but, she probably never was going to hurt Taiga, as this is something I realized rewatching it. She was trying to get Shirou to her side as she sees aspects of herself in him. She rejects Rin as she gravitated towards someone who's broken and hurting like her, she doesn't want him as a powerful ally, but a friend who might understand. She wanted someone else who's so broken and messed up.
Imagine being in your room than your daughters burst in wielding knifes and when you ask them what they're doing. They say we're going to make you young again... Honestly Greek Myth has so many foundations for some amazing potential horror stories. Killing someone with the possible chance to make them young seems like an amazing premise. If there's one thing the Greeks did best with their stories it was tragedy.
Greek Tragedy has endured for a reason. :D
Wait a minute maybe rule breaker is the knife she used to kill her sons that represent her treachery or Jason’s treachery thst made her the way she is
The blade for Rule-breaker is ceremonial... it's not very good at actually being a dagger.
Please, please, PLEASE give her a swimsuit version already!
Realy wish we would have gotten that Medea route. Shirou would be wary good fore Medea , and in generel she deserves far more attantion and love. Yes she clearly is a mentally instable person, but I think its somwhat clear that instability comes from Eros meddling. She after all never showed any signs of this instability before Jason arrived and she was forced to fall in love
I'd never heard there was a proposed Medea route - only an Illya one. :o
@@CrazyYurie Yeah there was apperently supposed to be a Medea route, but it was cut fore time constraints
If not that, I wish they had fleshed out her and Kazuki's relationship more.
Correction about medea lily, the joke about medea lily wasn’t exacly a joke a medea route was planned by nasu and co and cut in the development of stay night do to time, aka medea lily final design sure was fgo but the concept of her younger version was already planned before. Also one stuff u missed about medea is that she dosnt have divinity, why? Simple rule breaker is the manifestation of medea’s Divinity as an object, also medea can summon the dragon but she can’t controll it that’s why she dosnt cause it would cause a mess.
There was a planned Medea route? I only heard about a planned Illya route. :o
@@CrazyYurie yeh cause Medea route was cut way earlier than the Ilya route, Ilya route was cut close to release and fused with the Sakura route to get the heaven’s feel route we know today
There was a planned Medea route, but the design used for Medea Lily in FGO was a Magical Girl Medea joke draft.
I kinda expected the video to go something like: “and now with characterization!, ………, now my final score is-“
You mean... to skip all the character stuff?!?
@@CrazyYurie i was referring to the fact that regular Medea has so little screen time I thought it would be hard to take that into account
@@angelcarrasco7801 Well, she has plenty in FSN, so that's what I focused on. Edit: Also there's Medea Lily too.
I think a clear flaw in the Fate "Matrix System" is that, with Casters, it always falls short in the magecraft department.
Their spells and the like either get thrown into small simplifications with Divine Words or part of their Item Construction Skill, or they have to be lucky enough to be so specific about their magic they get an specific skill on their own that explains how their magic *doesn't* work like the rest, but in this particular way.
Magecraft as a skill is almost always only relegated to Servant who are *not* in the Caster class, as if that skill is a hidden one for Casters by default. If only there was a spell sheet like in the DnD counterpart Fate is so obviously based on.
I really dig witches. I'm the person who usually wants to play the caster type character in any game I play. Plus, purple is my favorite color. And Medea is adorable. But the thing that really gets to me and maybe talks to my own personal biases, is Ero's involvement. 9 times out of 10, in any story where a woman has been manipulated by or because of a man, she will get the most sympathy of any character from me, often regardless of other factors. Logically, I know her actions are pretty horrifying, and I don't want to excuse them, especially since it seems like she may have been prone to murderous tendencies regardless. But something in my brain gets flipped, and I can't help but view her as more victim than villain. And I'm glad that Fate does give her those few positive experiences.
The more I watch these videos I keep thinking are we sure they aren't all just Berserker class (because I really feel that's their true class) given basically everything that happens about these heroes seriously it all ends in mutually destruction every time there's probably a take away or something to be said about these which I'm sure must know without saying.
There is an argument for that, but berserkers are more about insanity/sudden homicidal rages rather than deliberate planning of the sort Medea gets up to. I should do more berserkers...
Honestly I don't blame anyone that isn't a greek god. Jason and Medea's relationship was bound to fail. Jason was too focus on completing the main mission to have tooken relationships seriously (hence his first relationship with Hypsipyle his first girlfriend/wife) and Medea just wanted to complete the subquests while living her best and happy life. Making them be together was obviously gonna fail.
Admittedly, I'm curious if Medea's relationship with Circe takes more inspiration from the sibling version you mentioned, just with their familial status being the regular aunt & neice version? I know the time they spent together was from before she met Jason.
And yes, as others have mentioned, Medea was supposed to have a route of her own where Shirou finds her instead of Kuzuki, we don't know much, but we know that she would've aged herself down to Medea Lily at some point, and the argon coin(/dragon?) Would've had a human form based off of Medea (or maybe her brother?), and would constantly annoy her, considering her his older sister. Presumably, this also would've dealt with how she COULD summon the dragon, but the necessary materials needed to CONTROL it just didn't even exist in the modern world, likely leading to Shirou tracing them, ala caliburn.
Stay night would've had 7 routes altogether if it was completed, being seperated into 2 disks, the other one being "Fate/Other Night" The cut routes included Illya, Medusa, Medea, and even Shinji, Illya got folded into Heaven's Feel, Medusa's was reworked for Hollow Ataraxia, and Shinji's was ironically left in Stay Night's data, but only 1 gag scene remains (Shirou choosing to team up with him over Rin)
The idea of a Shinji route terrifies me. Medusa though... I'd be totally into that. :D
@CrazyYurie Medusa's Route was at least reworked for her story in Hollow Ataraxia lol. As for Shinji, if i had to guess, it likely would've gone over how he actually used to be a good guy before Zouken messed him up, and presumably "saving" him, Hollow Ataraxia shows that after the Grail War, Shinji wasn't that bad, and he & Shirou's friendship rekindled (dramatically playing yugioh in the rain) and while this is just me guessing, I wouldn't be surprised if Fate/EXTRA Shinji was at least based off of his route. XD
@@eonnexus I don't think I could ever see Shinji as redeemable after Heaven's Feel.
7:30
Why didn't Medea developed aa Noble Phantasm; Debt Breaker 😅
Some people might be into that. :o
Finally a video on touko aozaki alter.
MY WIFE!!!! She's unfortunately been stuck at bond 15 for over half a year now, but I'll find a way to break the game and get more bond soon.
Reading through some of the comments, some things you missed have already been mentioned, though I still have some things I want to bring up. Her 3rd skill, Circe's Teaching, did not exist when she was introduced in Fate/stay night, and was only added to FGO because they needed every servant to have 3 skills, and I'm convinced that Nasu hates her too much to care about what year 1 development team did to it. I am 99% sure that Circe is never mentioned in Fate/stay night or Fate/hollow ataraxia outside of her cleansing, so that mistake was added on later by someone that probably didn't even do any research.
On a different note, Fate definitely takes a more sympathetic approach to the myth of Medea. Considering what we see Aphrodite do in Olympus, I'm inclined to not blame Medea for killing her brother, as I don't think she quite had control over that. Nasu's iteration of the myth is also explored more in depth in Fate/hollow ataraxia. The plan to kill King Pelias was made by Jason, and Medea shows signs of guilt regarding everything she did after she left Colchis and reluctance to carry out the plan during the demonstration with the sheep. The curse placed on her is broken immediately after the murder of King Pelias and his daughters, pushing her off the edge in terms of mental stability. Meanwhile, Jason condemns her, and even blames her for his failures, and then ultimately betrays her, saying that he never loved her. Despite all this, she's still a good person at heart, generally avoiding senseless murder and actually saving the kids from Atrum, her original master, though her experiences have desensitized her to the point where she will resort to killing if she can justify it, either with some genuine reason or her trademark emotional instability, since she is still characterized as a witch. Basically, my wife is a good person and amazing and cute and perfect and did absolutely nothing wrong.
As for why you'd want more than 100% battery,
To get overcharge,
To counter an np drain gimmick (even friendly ones like Summer Melt)
To counter np battery down gimmicks.
Also it's explicitly stated in an interlude that Medea trained under Circe, and Circe referred to Medea's father as something like "my idiot brother"
Her annoyance at being referred to as "auntie" is because it's got the connotations of being old
Circe's brother is indeed King Aeetees, Medea's Father. However, Circe and Medea did not meet until after the Argo's voyage during the actual myths about Medea. The whole point of these videos is comparing Fate's lore with the history/myths of our world.
@@CrazyYurie It was unclear if you understood why FGO Circe disliked being called auntie.
That's all
@@aredjayc2858 I said Circe was Medea's Aunt :/
@@CrazyYurie I thought you were talking about myth Medea and Circe, my bad
I like Medea a lot because I really like the trope of the character who is a very kind and loyal ally but a brutal enemy. Maayybeeee she gets a little carried away with the while dismemberment thing, but it's fiiiiiiine~ Why? Cause she's a baddie and she slays💅
The wedding dress torture thing with Saber was really weird but I'm willing to say that was just a really weird thing on the creator's end, and not a fully in character thing that Medea would do if that makes sense. That's my head cannon at least lol
Also, Avenger Medea when?????
There's actually another legend of Medea using healing magic. When she was on the run after killing her children, she runs into a rampaging Heracles (who also just killed his sons) and cures him of a curse that Hera placed on him. Its then speculated that she spent the night with him so to speak. 😅
I'd have to look at this. :o
Man this is good content
Thanks! :D
Medea Lily looks like a magical girls
hey Yurie, just saw you video. i really love these servant lore videos. was hopine one day you might cover my favorite servant super orion and by extension artemis someday. looking forward to more. Stay Golden :D
One day for sure!
I really wish in FGO we could have gotten the aspect of Divinity she has by being Helio's grandaughter. In her irl mytho she was lent the Chariot of The Sun so I hope if we an SSR of her (onore Medusa Saber) we get more insight of her Fate Mythos and more powerful skills.
ALSO SUMMER COPIUM 😩😩😩😩
I desperately want a video for Caligula
You do seem like a fan. :o
@@CrazyYurie lowkey yeah lol
25:08 wow apparently Jason and Medea are made for each other seeing how they got the same result a B.
IMO, Medea's revenge by killing her own son was absurd and extremely taboo, and there's nothing to be sympathetic with. However, she was able to get away with it largely because of Jason's affair with Glauce, which was a huge mistake since he was "blessed" by Hera of all people, down to his marriage to Medea. So it can be said that Hera allowed Medea, his wife, to do so for having "betrayed" her like that, and/or it was a mercy from Hera to Medea for being a good chess piece in her grand plan. After all, Hera did ask Aphrodite to make Medea fall in love with Jason in the first place so she would help Jason through all those trials and set her up to be a reward for Jason later on.
Indeed. The fact that Medea was given that Chariot to fly away with was making it clear that she had divine sanction for her actions. Rather different values from what we have today, for sure.
The in universe reason Medea cant summon the dragon that guarded the fleece is because it requires preparation and specific resources to cast. Resources that dont exist in the modern age
what hurts me the most is her np having aoe scaling until this day and no summer version, also, i gotta say, locusta pretty much feels like what medea should be as an assassin, i feel like this is a possible class for her, poisoning, slaying, tricking ppl into commiting murder, idk what you really have to do to qualify as an assassin, but i'm surprised you didnt metioned even a single possible remote chance of her being assassin class as well
She's more a magic user than someone who specializes in assassination/murder.
This might be incorrect but I'm pretty sure rule breaker is a kris dagger but the blade is Indonesian in origin and has no greek connections to my knowledge. so possibly the kris dagger was used as a base for rule breaker?
I would have to look into this. :o
So, I notice that you seem to only focus on the Servannt's Active Skills and seem to ignore other Personal Skills? Why's that?
Generally those skills tend to be more generic rather than character specific. I have mentioned some passive skills though, such as in my recent video on Muramasa.
11:12 ...I forgot that bit of the story. 😂 It stunlocked me a moment because of how stupid it sounds.
I still cry to this day that we didn't get that Medea route.
I only learned today that there even could have been a Medea route!
Dang if only there was a Greek god of counseling if there was Jason and Medea relationship maybe wouldn’t turn out as bad as it did 😢.
But then again who knows maybe the two of them secretly made for each other I don’t know 🤷?
Medea is a very interesting figure in Greek myths, and some consider Hercules to be a woman or a character who can act in any role
Wait, what?!?
@@CrazyYurie she is almost a goddess
@@Leonardovideogoes No I mean... what's this about Heracles?!?
Reminds me of the April fool's Azusa made with Herc.
@@CrazyYurie heracles You can participate in the story in any role, whether you want a story for the whole family, Hercules is your guy, or an acid comedy called Hercules, a melancholic story to reflect human nature, Hercules is your guy, and a Deus ex-machin for children, no. cry with a bad ending, call hercules
At least Medea is warming up to Ritsuka, however she's more like treating her Master like sibling (due to Ritsuka being a young adult) and there's her FGO material about her dislikes. (She's oddly not having fanart besides with Souichirou Kuzuki and despite being a MILF but we all know its Raikou or Tiamat for that part)
I honestly don't have much to say on Medea. However, my opinion on the whole Jason thing is that Jason did nothing wrong.
First off, the situation with Pelos could have been handled differently had Medea not jumped the gun and done what she did. Had she not done so, Hera, who's been in Jason's corner would have likely intervined on his behalf considering she went through the trouble of bringing him this far in the first place. Considering this, Medea potentially ruined Jason's life first. Now before you go on me saying Jason made Medea fall for him, he did not nor did he ask for it, the was all the Gods so Jason's not at fault there, he just took advantage of it as to not die.
Then there goes the married life she had with Jason. She loved him, but Jason likely did that out of obligation to the promise he made to marry her. We have no reason to believe he was happy with it before the oppertunity arose to get out of it. Considering the actions Medea took in her life, who's to say she wasn't overbearing.
Even in Fate, though she seems to have a regular relationship with Kazuki, the same cannot be said for the other person she holds affection for, our resident Saber, Artoria Pendragon. One of Artoria's dislikes happen to be being dressed up, this originates soley from Medea, who forcefully dressed her up in numerous outfits. Even in those spin offs, she actually stalks Saber and has a figurine collection of her. Considering what she did for Jason, I wouldn't be suprised if she behaved more like how she did with Artoria than Kazuki. Taking that into consideration, I'd bet alot of people would want to leave her too.
It is an interesting point. Though, if I was Jason, I'd have made my displeasure much more clear - and much earlier.
My ancestor!(I am Georgian)
Can you make a house accurate video of Attila, the Han a.k.a. Altera from fate Exstella
I meant Exstella
I very much want to, actually. Altera is a favorite character of mine - even if I know she veers quite a bit from Attila the Hun.
@@CrazyYurie will you still do her though someday
@@tonybufford93 I plan to do everyone who isn't a TM original.
@@CrazyYurie TM original?
Lets Go! Medea Best Girl! She's gonna be my first level 100 and 120.... When i touch the game again cuz i havent touched the game in 3 months.
Three months?!? But that means you missed out on a lotto event! O_O
@@CrazyYurie yeah I know I also probably missed out on alot of welfare servants too but it's just that the i hate having to go throught the story cause it takes forever especially since I wanna go through the important eor before starting the lostbelts which I have heard are the actually fun part of the story (arc 1 was ok imo since the first 3 were boring okeanos was okay London lost me half way through Camelot was cool but I didn't really care for since the knights of the round aren't my favourites I like percival but guess who's not in Camelot and babylonia was also just fine and Soloman had a bunch of references to event I hadn't played so aside from the gathering of the old singularities so I was like it's cool but I don't really care for dantes or the other nobu since I wasn't able to play the events
@@shubhpatel619 I would agree that the lostbelts are generally better than the Arc 1 stories, though Camelot and Babylonia were also pretty solid.
Question am I the only one who thinks that when fate has a servant who in their real life lore has done some awful things and they kind of just either act like it didn’t happen or they water it down to where they were the servant aren’t as bad they real life lore tells you I mean for servants like Medea it kind of makes sense but I kind of wish they didn’t have a lot of characters kind of be good guys because not everyone needs to be a good guy and not the “good guys “ are actual good guys because to me it’s kind of interesting when only some of the servants actually acknowledge the bad stuff they did in their life i like see someone opinion on this because I’m the only one who thinks this.
You are far from the only one. A recurring commentary I've had are that the worst deeds of Fate characters tend to be glossed over or toned down.
@crazy yurie thoughts about adding fate manga into this series because they go in depth on the characters
I've not seen that. Does it do more than the original VN?
Some fate manga do if I remember correctly
No fate mangas that aren’t the source materials of the serie are not considered as canon but more supplemental material aka a u can enjoy them but consider that they aren’t what the writers would take in consideration for any future appearances, this is said by nasu and by type moon. Aka the original author of the story is the one that has a say on the matter it stuff a supplementary material gets carried over, an example of this is medea’s Master in the anime of ubw being adopted and replacing medea’s Old master which didn’t have a design, but yeh when I say canon I don’t mean it in the traditional sense but more of canon is what the writers carry over and 99 percent of manga adaptations of fate aren’t carried over so
@@Lesaite I didn’t say all of them but most of the mangas that are adaptation 99 percent of the times aren’t canon. The mangas that are,usually are original stories based on previous material see fate extra ccc foxtail
@federicofilippini6780 got it I didn't know the mangas wasn't Canon but they still add bits and pieces about the character so I was just recommending it also sorry I didn't know
Both her and Jason get B
I see, you've got Medea Literacy too.
I do?!?
Wish she was a 4 star tho
Indeed.
You should add backround music
I couldn't come up with a good option for Medea.
@@CrazyYurie anything fate or like fate would be fine
@@Aesc_the_voyager I suppose. I try to make them match the character at least, but I can't use anything from the anime series - only FGO.
@@CrazyYurie cause copyright
@@Aesc_the_voyager Exactly. I actually tried to add 15 seconds of Artoria's UBW Excalibur to that video, but my video got flagged because of the music in that clip. Generally speaking TH-cam seems to hate any music that comes from the anime series. FGO stuff has been fine though. :D
This is also the same reason why I have to break up anime footage in these videos - if you use more than a 30-second block of footage from the same show, it gets flagged. Funnily enough, this actually became a non-issue for the Artoria video because she appears in so many different series - I could just switch from one show to another.