Hey Mr Schwandt, are you able to do a follow up video to this where you might unfold a bit more of the overarching system for the relationship between the case and declensions? This video is quite suggestive of a simpler paradigm for anticipating noun and adjective ending, but left me hanging at the edge of my seat for a demonstration of said paradigm(s).
Great question! All beginning grammars start with the 2nd declension (the "o" dec. that you are referring to), then move on to the 1st dec. and finally bring in the 3rd. I'm using the "es" ending from the 3rd dec. as the most basic form. I will try to find some time to generate a video that works through the "o" declension specifically. The "oi" stem + ending is actually borrowed from the pronominal declension and thus even though it is the most common nom. pl. from it is exceptional.
this subject...declensions...took me about 3 years to understand....one year of Latin, and later one year of Koine Greek, and then, on the second time around, in Koine Greek....wella I got it...
Dr. Schwandt, I have your book. It's probably not the best book, it's probably a bit slow on the grammar, which is actually throwing me off, like, the feminine nouns aren't there with the masculine ones in the first chapters, and you split up the cases, but, the exercises are just what I need. You do explain things thoroughly, pages of explanation of the phonetic history of an irregularity in the conjugation of a group of common verbs that end in omega. I'm used to studying languages and usually they just present groupings of irregular verbs, plus the most common ones that you usually have to just learn. And frankly I want to be able to read the NT, not speak a dead language correctly. I get your reasoning with the way you ordered the cases in your tables, but, it is throwing off my ability to remember them. I am looking at those tables FAR more often than I did when they were presented the way I am used to, as they are in the densely packed grammar online and in Great Courses' Homeric Greek course. Once you're used to seeing it with the accusative last it makes more sense. It doesn't really matter what's traditional, I wasn't trying to learn Greek then. Thanks for the videos!
Ancient Greek makes my mind go on a frenzy... My poor Asperger's.There appears to be a second declension of which uses different case spellings to attic, the latter of having been used by ancient Greek philosophers. Does this mean that Attic was the first declension and that Doric came later? So many changes to language, even way back then. Amazing video BTW! I'm infatuated albeit sometimes lost in linguistics.
Is it possible to create a beginners guide version please? One that even a child could understand. Free from words that the average person wouldn't be thoroughly familiar with?
The thing is that the ending for masculine nouns in the nominative singular is usually -ος , -ας, -ης, -ων, -ωρ (the last two in ancient greek only). The plural ending is -ες except for those whose singular ends in -ος which goes -οι in plural. (ο άνθρωπος - οι άνθρωποι, ο σκύλος - οι σκύλοι, ο καπνός - οι καπνοί (the human, the dog, the smoke etc..). Note that the case pattern in this video is about masculine nouns only. The cases for female or neutral nouns are a bit different
Hello Prof. Scwandt, thank you for your amazingly ingenious explanation. I have one question. Can you tell me one set of endings to remember when it comes to the dual number? I know it's rarely used, I just wish I could remember it along the way.
There are a number of pronunciation systems. I use the historical Biblical Greek system for these videos rather than the Erasmian system. I think if you google "biblical greek pronunciation" the informational page on this issue will come up in the first position. Please let me know if that doesn't answer the question.
You pronounce Biblical Greek like something in between Classical Greek and Modern Greek which is so cool! (and accurate). Coming from a (modern) Greek! A question though... why you pronounce OI like YU... I recently read that OI and Y were pronounced similarly at that time. So I guess the "u" sound is correct. Why that extra "j" sound?
Hi anicks. Thanks for the comment. The issue in this video really isn't about gender (it would generally apply even to the feminine nouns in the 1st (a), 2nd (o), and especially 3rd dec. (consonant stems). The nom. sg. endings in the 2nd dec. (o stem) IS ς. So they would be -ς (with 3 different stems -ο-, -α-, -η-), then -ων and -ωρ (3rd dec.) dropped the sigma prior to the nasal/liquid and then compensated by lengthening the preceding vowel. Thanks again for the comment.
Thanks for responding me sir, actually I'd like to have Logos bible software. Could you give me advice how to get it? Or is there free software about it?
greek alphabet took me 1 night to learn , im 12 ! its not hard at all just find a sheet with the alphabet on it and rewrite it a couple times, and read it out loud.
I’m having a hard time understanding why certain words are plural/singular or gender when using the paradigm you use. Ex. Why is avopwpw...man,person masculine when it ends with omega...
While I am really trying to comprehend this information, and I’m sure it is good information, It seems to me that one would have to have a master’s degree in English sentence structure in order to make sense of this presentation. “Well the accusative is indicative of the vocative case if the declension is before the possessive rather than the superlative while in the pronoun state of the verb.” Or something like that. These descriptive words mean nothing to me, and try as I might, I can’t grasp or retain what they actually mean. Seriously, I have no idea how I rightly know how to use English if I don’t understand the rules! But somehow I do. Isn’t it also possible in Greek?
I'm sorry, but i found that very frustrating. I'm just trying to learn from a book and felt i was doing really well. I only came here becasue didn't understand the genetive, dative and evocative cases. I already uderstood the nominative and acusative, but it's the difficult part you gloss over.
That is an amazing explanation, pleaaaaaaaaaaasse do more of that. PERFECT. very easy, clear and straight forward. more of that please
Hey Mr Schwandt, are you able to do a follow up video to this where you might unfold a bit more of the overarching system for the relationship between the case and declensions? This video is quite suggestive of a simpler paradigm for anticipating noun and adjective ending, but left me hanging at the edge of my seat for a demonstration of said paradigm(s).
Great video Prof. Schwandt. I am really enjoying your class!
Great question!
All beginning grammars start with the 2nd declension (the "o" dec. that you are referring to), then move on to the 1st dec. and finally bring in the 3rd. I'm using the "es" ending from the 3rd dec. as the most basic form. I will try to find some time to generate a video that works through the "o" declension specifically. The "oi" stem + ending is actually borrowed from the pronominal declension and thus even though it is the most common nom. pl. from it is exceptional.
This is SOOOO helpful!
Or you can just study Mounce's textbook.
Thank you! the way you have taught this has helped me finally understand declensions! will be looking out for your other videos :)
Thank you! I finally understand the declensions thanks to this video!
Thank you so much for this. I was trying to learn from books only. I need every possible kind of stimuli possible!
Thanks Prof. that was really helpful. I hope if can reflect more about the "special uses of the genitive and dative"
this subject...declensions...took me about 3 years to understand....one year of Latin, and later one year of Koine Greek, and then, on the second time around, in Koine Greek....wella I got it...
Good observations on morphology of cases. Thank you.
Thanks, now i found out, what i was looking for long time. I hope you post many more vedio lessions.
Thank you so much for making this video.
Brilliant video thank you
Dr. Schwandt, I have your book. It's probably not the best book, it's probably a bit slow on the grammar, which is actually throwing me off, like, the feminine nouns aren't there with the masculine ones in the first chapters, and you split up the cases, but, the exercises are just what I need.
You do explain things thoroughly, pages of explanation of the phonetic history of an irregularity in the conjugation of a group of common verbs that end in omega. I'm used to studying languages and usually they just present groupings of irregular verbs, plus the most common ones that you usually have to just learn. And frankly I want to be able to read the NT, not speak a dead language correctly.
I get your reasoning with the way you ordered the cases in your tables, but, it is throwing off my ability to remember them. I am looking at those tables FAR more often than I did when they were presented the way I am used to, as they are in the densely packed grammar online and in Great Courses' Homeric Greek course. Once you're used to seeing it with the accusative last it makes more sense. It doesn't really matter what's traditional, I wasn't trying to learn Greek then.
Thanks for the videos!
Ancient Greek makes my mind go on a frenzy... My poor Asperger's.There appears to be a second declension of which uses different case spellings to attic, the latter of having been used by ancient Greek philosophers. Does this mean that Attic was the first declension and that Doric came later? So many changes to language, even way back then. Amazing video BTW! I'm infatuated albeit sometimes lost in linguistics.
Is it possible to create a beginners guide version please? One that even a child could understand. Free from words that the average person wouldn't be thoroughly familiar with?
The thing is that the ending for masculine nouns in the nominative singular is usually -ος , -ας, -ης, -ων, -ωρ (the last two in ancient greek only). The plural ending is -ες except for those whose singular ends in -ος which goes -οι in plural. (ο άνθρωπος - οι άνθρωποι, ο σκύλος - οι σκύλοι, ο καπνός - οι καπνοί (the human, the dog, the smoke etc..). Note that the case pattern in this video is about masculine nouns only. The cases for female or neutral nouns are a bit different
thank you Sir. This is very helpful!
Hello Prof. Scwandt, thank you for your amazingly ingenious explanation. I have one question. Can you tell me one set of endings to remember when it comes to the dual number? I know it's rarely used, I just wish I could remember it along the way.
There are a number of pronunciation systems. I use the historical Biblical Greek system for these videos rather than the Erasmian system. I think if you google "biblical greek pronunciation" the informational page on this issue will come up in the first position. Please let me know if that doesn't answer the question.
Does your channel have a website? Do you have any supporting materials?
You pronounce Biblical Greek like something in between Classical Greek and Modern Greek which is so cool! (and accurate). Coming from a (modern) Greek! A question though... why you pronounce OI like YU... I recently read that OI and Y were pronounced similarly at that time. So I guess the "u" sound is correct. Why that extra "j" sound?
Hi anicks. Thanks for the comment. The issue in this video really isn't about gender (it would generally apply even to the feminine nouns in the 1st (a), 2nd (o), and especially 3rd dec. (consonant stems). The nom. sg. endings in the 2nd dec. (o stem) IS ς. So they would be -ς (with 3 different stems -ο-, -α-, -η-), then -ων and -ωρ (3rd dec.) dropped the sigma prior to the nasal/liquid and then compensated by lengthening the preceding vowel. Thanks again for the comment.
How about proactive case?
Thanks for responding me sir, actually I'd like to have Logos bible software. Could you give me advice how to get it? Or is there free software about it?
Thank you sir
Thank you sir. But I need to learn first the Greek alphabet. Could you advice me on how to start studying Greek language?
greek alphabet took me 1 night to learn , im 12 ! its not hard at all just find a sheet with the alphabet on it and rewrite it a couple times, and read it out loud.
I’m having a hard time understanding why certain words are plural/singular or gender when using the paradigm you use. Ex. Why is avopwpw...man,person masculine when it ends with omega...
Isn’t the singular genitive ending ou?
While I am really trying to comprehend this information, and I’m sure it is good information, It seems to me that one would have to have a master’s degree in English sentence structure in order to make sense of this presentation.
“Well the accusative is indicative of the vocative case if the declension is before the possessive rather than the superlative while in the pronoun state of the verb.” Or something like that. These descriptive words mean nothing to me, and try as I might, I can’t grasp or retain what they actually mean. Seriously, I have no idea how I rightly know how to use English if I don’t understand the rules! But somehow I do.
Isn’t it also possible in Greek?
more... MOOOOOORE!
That is ancient greek
I'm sorry, but i found that very frustrating. I'm just trying to learn from a book and felt i was doing really well. I only came here becasue didn't understand the genetive, dative and evocative cases. I already uderstood the nominative and acusative, but it's the difficult part you gloss over.
...They hate it when you mix dentals with labials.
Why not shave? Do you want to repel peopley?
"People"!