Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. Would the aorist participle "having" be antecedent or coincident to the main verb "entered?" And what contextual factors make this the case?
@@kenschenck Some argue that it wasn't until Christ entered into the Holy places that he secured eternal redemption. I don't agree that this is the case, but even if it is modal, would the participle indicate that redemption was only accomplished when he entered?
@@georgealvarado4660 I tend to see the atonement imagery of Hebrews as layers of metaphor. In one metaphor, it is on the cross. In another, it is in heaven.
Linguatico Lusitano λυω is a common verb used in the NT, quite often with the από prefix as in ...Αυτος απολύει την γυναίκαν αυτου... could be translated as literally.... He loosed his wife away...or put her away (divorced).
Nick Taylor αφιεναι or αφιημι is more literally "released". Think of the distiction this way. Let's say a horse is tied to a post and I "λυω" him, i.e. I "loose" him that is to say the rope is unbound, then I "αφιημι" him, i.e. release, him to run in the field.
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Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
Would the aorist participle "having" be antecedent or coincident to the main verb "entered?" And what contextual factors make this the case?
This is a key interpretive question! I have argued that it is modal, the how of him doing it.
@@kenschenck Some argue that it wasn't until Christ entered into the Holy places that he secured eternal redemption. I don't agree that this is the case, but even if it is modal, would the participle indicate that redemption was only accomplished when he entered?
@@georgealvarado4660 I tend to see the atonement imagery of Hebrews as layers of metaphor. In one metaphor, it is on the cross. In another, it is in heaven.
@@kenschenck I can see that. So then do you believe the modal aspect here implicates on the cross, or in heaven?
@@kenschenck I was wondering if you received my last question? Thank for your reply and willingness to discuss.
Only there is no human language ST ALL that can express the phrase "the man who I was talking about" by means of a participial clause
we were being loosed? (12:40) what does that mean? We were being lost? or We were being loosened?
what is this loosed you speak of? lol
Linguatico Lusitano λυω is a common verb used in the NT, quite often with the από prefix as in ...Αυτος απολύει την γυναίκαν αυτου... could be translated as literally.... He loosed his wife away...or put her away (divorced).
released?
Nick Taylor meaning? yes. Literal translation? no
Nick Taylor αφιεναι or αφιημι is more literally "released". Think of the distiction this way. Let's say a horse is tied to a post and I "λυω" him, i.e. I "loose" him that is to say the rope is unbound, then I "αφιημι" him, i.e. release, him to run in the field.
I like this brother it helps me much
future participle implies purpose
Or consequence
Useful and tedious. But, it's Greek. Thank you