Paper vs Metal filters for coffee!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2020
- When making a cup of coffee (on a Chemex, Hario, etc.), many people come to a point where they must decide which filters to use. This decision has an important impact on the flavor of the end cup, and perhaps none are more different than the metal filters and the paper filters. In this video I discuss their primary differences as well as their pros and cons. I also brew some coffee and do a taste test to find out which coffee I enjoy the most!
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What's your favorite kind of filter?
Hi Coffee Time. For me personally, I like the Paper Filter for taste and the Metal Filter for its convenience of clean up and it's non-plastic structure. Therefore, I was wondering if it is ok to use a paper filter on top of a metal filter. I would really like to hear your thoughts on this combination as no one is talking about it online!
Paper +1
Im more for my earth than just the satisfaction of my palate, so im a metal filter guy
Hell yeah thanks I think I will get the metal one!
My favorite are Filtropa, since they go to the trouble of making a little tab to help you open the filter. A paper filter removes some of the coffeol, which is a health advantage though I do appreciate French Press once in a while.
Proof once again, great clear videos like this, got over looked. I’m tired on coffee snobs droning on and on and on, it makes my head explode. Now I got the real information I needed. Thank you!
you are an excellent presenter...very clear and easy to listen to.....oh yeah like the vid as well. very informative I subbed
This was very useful. Thank you! I really like how you explain all of it. I’ll subscribe for sure
Thanks for your time, great job
Thanks, I’ve been torn between the two types. This helped.
Awesome stuff!
Great points made too :)
Happy Int Coffee Day from Melbourne 😄
Always wondered what's the difference between paper and metal, thanks man!
The difference is quite obvious: Metal filters usually let most of the fines and oils pass into the cup that paper filters retain. The result of a metal filtration is usually a much thicker, oilier and not so smooth and pleasantly tasting coffee. There are roasts, however, where you would want a little more richness, so for those, metal filters are suitable. Most coffees fare better with paper filters. It also depends on how coarse or fine you grind the coffee.
You're great. I loved this video. So informative and interesting too.
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed!
Great video! Can you share some tips to reduce the bitterness when using an Able Kone filter? I love the idea of reusability but every single brew using the Kone filter is bitter. What water temperature, ratio, and draw times do you use?
I learned a lot from this, so I'm now glad my old coffee maker broke which had a metal filter. My new one is paper and results are great, plus the clean up is easier.
Your content is so touching
Great video! Can I stir the mixture in the filter? because sometimes I find that the water pass through too quickly flavour may have been lost. I don't have grinder, I buy my grinded coffee off shelf.
it amazing how he's able to paint a picture with words.
Did you make these two on after another? Or did you use two chemex? There might have been quite a difference in temperature, does it not affect the taste a bit? Thank you for the video. What other options are there to make "zero waste" coffee from chemex?
Thank you 👍
Amazing presenter and content.
The quality of the grind defines the amount of fines you get. A higher quality grind will have less fines in the area of 20%. Paper, no matter the pore size will adsorb more oils than a metal or nylon.
Great video dude thanks!
I use a Bodum pour over with the included Metal filter and it is the best tasting coffee ever. I used a paper filter with the Metal filter and the coffee was bland in taste. Yes, the Metal filter lets the sediment but not the coffee grounds into my coffee but I put a Half ounce of Olive oil into the pot and it helps to eliminate any bad effects from the sediment. I have a tender stomach and so, I-know when the oils and sediment hurts my stomach and the Metal filtered coffee does not. Some Sediment is not bad in aiding to the complexity and strong taste of my coffee. Actually drinking all of the sediment will definitely churn the stomach.
James hoffman with american accent
Haha you made my day! I'm a huge fan of James 🤩
I wonder which hair salon he uses
Sounds Canadian to me. To be precisely accurate.
This is high praise
Informative!
Greetings from 2024. Great video - thank you.
I love my chemex with metal. I prefer dirty / oily coffee. It works great.
Paper definitely makes a cleaner pour.
can a metal filter be used in a coffee maker?
Would you recommend using the metal filter as a second filtration method after using a french press? To get rid of most of the fines🤔 I do it with paper filters 'cause i have them at the moment.
I think it depends on how large the holes are for the metal filter. If they are similar to the French press metal, then it isnt really doing much.. but if they are somewhere in between the French press and paper filters, then that could be an interesting way to take out just a touch more fine particles in the cup, without removing as much of the oils and smaller components that paper would.
So it does depend what you want in your cup. I'm with you you on paper though! I love the flavor of most paper filtration methods. I like a french press or mokapot though for dark roasts, to make some heavy and bold coffee.
It's worth experimenting with.
Hi, I'm currently in search for a good metal filter to go with my V60, but the one you have here (the Able Kone) doesn't seem to be compatible. Do you have any recommendation?
I've been using the Able Kone coffe filter in size 2 V60 with good results. How do you find that they are not compatible?
@@DaftPunkerOG Hi Morten, thanks for your answer ! At the time I wrote this, the Kone V60 filter did not exist yet (only the one for the Chemex), hence my question ;)
Happy to know it is effective!
My current paper filter now is somewhat on the thinner side compare to the original hario paper filter. My problem is that the draw down seems fast. Is it okay if i use two filters?
A fast draw down does not necessarily mean less flavor! I would not recommend two paper filters
So, what about on top of an Espresso puck?
Any difference in grind size between the two filters?
Yes there will be! Finer for metal, more coarse for paper. Especially chemex paper as its thick. The difference is mainly dependent on the porosity of the filter, as you'll need to use the grind size to influence the flow of water so it doesnt go too fast or too slow
How is metal compared with a cloth filter?
What kind of drawdown times is "acceptible" for metal. I have a cheapo chemex clone with a metal filter, but I struggle to get the brew time longer than 3 minutes even when grinding fine.
3 minutes isnt terrible depending on your dose. I do 22g of coffee and add 374g of water which takes 3:30 or so to draw down fully. If you're getting 3 minutes with a lot more coffee than that, then it's likely an issue...
As you say you could grind finer, but ultimately you want to taste it and see if it's okay! If it is, then dont worry.about the time :D if not, try also making sure you are using the hottest water you can to increase extraction within that 3 minutes
that metal filter would make a cleaner cup than my gild filter from my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker though right?
I can taste the paper filters. Started using stainless and it's great. When the filter slows down over time, I clear it with a propane torch.
I need a propane torch then , mine clogs then the grounds end up in my coffee as it runs over sides of filter and becomes useless yuck.
You can rinse the paper filter first with water, which is supposed to clear out the taste.
I like the look of the metal filter (as well as price point) but I prefer the mouth feel of a paper filtered cup of coffee. Is it ok to use a paper filter in the metal filter? Is there any disadvantage to that?
One thing to consider would be if using both slows down the flow, as you'll have 2 points of filtration the liquid has to pass through. It might over extract your coffee, but you could try compensating by grinding more coarse
Very Nice video. I was actually searching a proper explanation on the metal dripper and yours was pretty exhaustive.
Thank and no need to say sorry for the slurp sound...here in Japan is quite common and not considered bad manner.😉
Thanks for watching! I also hear great things about Japan's coffee culture :D Hope to visit some day
This was a fantastic explanation of what exactly "clean" and "muddy" means!
I have been playing around with paper filter vs metal filter in pour overs. I tend to find more richness with metal filters, the coffee seems more pungent, thicker, more flavorful, more personality! 😂 Paper filters seem to produce a softer version but almost seem to take away some of the coffee flavor. Still adjusting grind sizes but there is definitely a difference between filter and metal. Also it seems like pour over gives a more flavorful coffee than drip method, but again I'm still playing around with amounts and grind sizes. Any thoughts on this?
What if we use metal filter and paper filter at the same time together ? Does it work?
I know that a barista once did this during a competition, and other's have talked about it or tried it, but I don't think I would recommend it.
I would think that there would not be an optimal grind setting to satisfy both filters, not to mention the fact that having double filters could slow the brew down and lead to over extraction. You'd have to do some serious fine tuning.
Also, any time you add a second filter the coffee is going to be defined by whatever filter has the smallest pore size. Paper on metal or vise versa, the coffee would just be filtered most by the paper and that's what would define its characteristics. In my mind, you'd be better off just using the paper on its own and dialing it in well.
What if you use a paper filter over a metal filter?
You end up with hot water. :)
Ive been doing this lol
Does the metal one filter our oil? Is it okay for everyday use?
Metal will filter out much less oils than paper, if at all. But either way is totally find for everyday use. Just effects the texture !
@@CoffeeTimeJR I understand now, Thank you very much!
Base on what you have reviewed, to have great test and delicious cup of coffee we should stick with filter paper. When time is important to brew fast cup of coffee we go with the metal cone.
I would definitely go with paper filters. Without even test how would the cone throughput would look like.
Since you forgot your glasses for the tasting, does it technically count as a blind test?
Joking aside, this was a great little info-piece and test!
Haha! Thanks for watching!
Black and Decker simply says to use a paper filter with no rationale. I wonder if "fines" collect in the coffee maker's innards and eventually have negative effects on coffee taste and machine's longevity.
I prefer the taste of paper filter in the end. However, I still choose to use metal filter for sustainability reason. One less trash for the earth.
On my Bodum the metal filter let's in too any fines. I had hoped for oil .minus the grt but at least metal makes good basket for paper. I much prefer paper well washed than metal. WAIT 2 mi then pour over. Greatest Ftench roast I've ever made. Reco.end organic if you want enjoyment. Thanks for showcase Bodum folter.
How about the cloth filter?
Great question! I haven't experimented a lot with cloth, but I know that it's generally in between paper and metal in terms of porosity. You do get a brew that may be the best of both worlds and is fairly balanced.
The only problems with cloth are mostly revolving around how hard they are to maintain and keep clean. Even just regularly washing it and attempting to air dry it can lead to bacterial growth and itll smell like an old sock.. that'll get in your coffee and just be kind of gross. However, James Hoffman has a video on this very topic, and I recommend you give it a watch ! He goes over how you can do certain tricks like keeping it in the fridge submerged in water, or in an airtight container in the freezer. Interesting stuff
@@CoffeeTimeJR thanks for the advice & heads up. Interesting tip on storage. Really appreciate your feedback
We use a long coffee sock for our local kopi (Southeast Asia) , but never tried the pour over filter version. I just wash mine and hang it out to dry under the hot sun. (tropical weather)
Metal filter will let more oil thru, is it good to your health if you drink more oil?
I'm really not sure what kinds of oils are in coffee, in what quantities, and how much difference the filters would actually make. But my guess would be that the effects on your health are pretty minor (if not offset by the positives coffee has on your health). Especially compared to the generally bad diets most of us have with fried foods and sugars haha or maybe just me :P
what if i put a paper filter IN the metal filter?
I did that , I kinda feel like the coffee is way more cleaner and it has less coarsity in the throat
The paper is more dense than the metal, so the already filtered coffee from the paper wouldn't be filtered again, since what whatever particles that was too thick to pass the paper stayed behind, there's no parts to be filtered by the larger mesh.
In other words it wouldn't matter at all and you can skip the metal if you already use the paper.
just got a metal basket for my drip machine, never going back to paper. the flavor was much fuller
trying to decide
Paper is my preference :)
@@CoffeeTimeJR ordered steel from amazon yesterday
after using metal filter, you should always wash them with dish soap
If I am drinking my coffee hot, I prefer a cleaner cup of coffee with a paper filter. However,if I am drinking my coffee cold, I like the bold flavor that a metal filter provides.
Stainless steel effects very much the taste of everything and other metals too.
Maybe! Not so sure though.. some metals probably effect taste less than others and it would depend on contact time
Its the metal one for me.
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I have never got cherry flavor from coffee your funny!
You’re 😏
I use a paper filter inside the metal one! 😅
Not recommended to use both by "influencers" and OEM's.
I never liked paper coffe. So, I will continue using the metal one.
There is a very important point you have forgot to mention, metal filters can save more money in the long run, and are better for the planet.
This is something to consider, but it's not necessarily true. Metal filters do eventually break or malfunction. We've had many at our store that begin to pour too quickly and have their seam come undone (this is with $90 metal filters!). Of course, a lot of the reason is due to mishandling such as knocking them aggressively, or putting them through the dishwasher (DON'T do that). But the fact is, we've gone through so many metal filters that the amount of brews we've made from them have been significantly less than the hundreds if not thousands of paper filters we could have bought.
Assuming you can guarantee the metal filters won't be mishandled though, they may last quite some time and you could be correct about the cost.
In regards to the environmental factor, you're probably right. Metal filters will reduce the number of trees that need to be harvested.. But do keep in mind any costs that it takes to properly recycle metal filters. Also, even bleached paper filters from Hario and Chemex now use an oxygen bleached process that does not create harmful pollutants. So on that side of things, the harm is less than what it was decades ago which is good.
@@CoffeeTimeJR you seems trying really hard defending the paper filter.
@@NashTheGreat well, I just hope to clear up any misconceptions around the point of waste and sustainability in the industry. Everything is not so black and white
I liked paper.🙂
Interesting info… but seriously; show, don’t tell.
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