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bro i think someone tossed you some cash to ignore the exhaust note and how it it sounds like shaving metal xD like a damaged ball bearing for a computer fan or something
If my black uncles who all ride Asian sport bikes and love classic dubbed martial arts movies. Saw me on this with some hentai stickers, they would love me more. Instead they judge me for buying abused 125cc scooters so I can afford to drive my V8 ute.
Hi. I have been riding for nearly 2 decades and use this to daily comute. I just bought the CF Moto 450 because of its drop dead gorgeous looks and its ultra smooth engine and gearbox. As a 50 year old, I thought that the more aggressive riding stance (especially coming from a upright naked Duke) might be too much for me, but I have not had any issues with any back or wrist pains (even on long days out in the country). I use to own a triumph thruxton nearly 10 years ago, and I had really bad back and wrist pains after 1 hour of riding it. The fact that I don't get pains on this bike is a big plus. I will start with the bad points I've experienced so far. This one is not a huge problem, but one to note. The sat navigation has taken me to places that I've not entered once or twice when I've gone out to the country side. It also couldn't find a popular town that a lot of people go to. So while I like that it has in built turn by turn nav, I wished they had installed Google maps instead of their own system, but since I don't use the navigation (except to try it out that day), it's not a problem for me. Second, and more of an issue for me... I think the fuel economy is high for a 450. I know it's still in the breaking in period, but at 4.6L per 100k's (what I'm getting so far), it's pretty bad, especially since I'm quite careful with it during run in. That's nearly what a Hornet 750 or a Duke 790 gets. Lastly, and this is a minor gripe, but I wish that the kick stand was around a cm longer. It feels like the bike wants to go over when you stop on anything but a flat surface. Another really bad thing about this bike is the preconceived ideas people have about the brand. While I would not recommend cfmoto's earlier bikes, their collaboration with KTM and its in-house designers have paid off and has been proven in all the great reviews this bike has been getting. Even so people will come up to you and ask what make and brand the bike is. Then you have to explain.. it's CF Moto. , oh... they'll say. Then you have to let them know t's a Chinese company. They really need to change the name of CF Moto to something else, something that rolls off the tongue easier. It's hard to justify and explain who they are and what the CF in CF moto means. I think that we are all use to other big brands being made from China, but saying that name Cf Moto, doesn't bring pride to the ownerships even if this is a top of the class bike. I mean, look at the other up coming Chinese brand Kove (pronounced Kove'), it sounds fancy and more a kin to a top quality/premium bike. Cf Moto should follow suit so that they can increase their brand loyalties. Even though I like this bike, I would not wear any of their merch. Am I worried about the fit finish and reliability? Not at all. CF Moto has been around for a long time in Australia. This bike is solid and put together very well. It has a 3 year factory warranty which is longer than nearly all the established makes. Also considering CF Moto makes the engines for the Ninja 400, it would not suprise me if this is the same engine bored out to 450cc with a 270° crank shaft instead of 180 and they've called it their own. May be this the exact engine that KTM and cfmoto were working on before KTM pulled out of building the Duke 490 range. Thats it for the bad stuff. What I love. The looks. The front a rear winglets are a first to market in class and give it an aggressive and unique look to a otherwise mundane cbr-r sport bike template. I also like that it has a nice big, bright tft with optional 2 display layouts and lots of features, some of which include rev shift alert, over speed alert so you don't speed too much over and loose your licence, the forementioned sat navigation, from phone to Bluetooth call with music controls from the switches, a bike tracker with geo fencing alert. You can also track your bike if your friend borrows it, or it gets stolen and moved anywhere in the world. This has a greater advantage for owners because when I told the insurance company that It has it, they lowered my insurance premiums, all of which is not on the Ninja 400... yeay!!! It does have a bigger bike feel and you do feel it when you throw your legs over it to start, but the bike does shrink around you when you move at normal paces, but when you push it, I do feel that the bike feels like it's bigger than what it actually is again, which is really wiered but not in a bad way. Not a sensation I've felt before. I love how sure footed this bike is at any speed. It always feels really planted, stable and grippy. Pulls from 3800 rpm comfortably. The slightly more tucked in hunkered down position is comfortable as long as your not over 5 10-11". A really big thumbs up. It's really manuvrable and easily threads through tight and heavy peak hour bumper to bumper traffic (even with those big long mirrors out which was a big suprise). And have I mentioned how smooth it is. The engine is silky smooth, It also sounds good from factory. I like the pops and burble sounds it makes when down shifting. Almost like a softer quieter C63 merc. Like the C63, I wish the muffler also had the quiet and loud pass through valve to really give it a bit more rumble on the road and a quiet mode so the neighbours don't get angry option at 5am start up. For people who say it's only a beginners bike, I would urge you to think twice. You can only go as fast as the speed limit these days, so anything over a 500 to 600cc is posturing. This bike has more than enough power to get you out of trouble, it does also allow you to have fun while being much safer. It has a much lower rego and insurance cost compared to a big bike and much, much, much cheaper to buy. While I think beginners will love it, it is a great real world conditions bike for everyone under 5.10". The price. For what you get, it's a hell of a deal.
Thank you for a wonderful owners-review and especially from a fellow Australian perspective. If only I wasn't 6'1" I'd likely trade in my Ninja 650L for this little weapon!
-Kawasaki builds the N400 engine themselves (Kawasaki heavy industries) -The N400 makes the same power and torque outside of socialist nations like Australia and the EU; with 52 less CC's. This is a testament to CFMoto's subpar engineering. It's a fantastic bike, and a needed a slap in the face to the beginner motorcycle industry - but let's not get out of hand. The Japanese bikes are still superior in almost every way, especially in regards to power per CC, fit and finish, reliability, and dealer support.
@@joshgts9675that’s not entirely true considering how restricted the 450sr’s come from factory. The jap bikes finitely don’t beat the 450srs in a lot of areas
@joshgts9675 well “power per cc” is going away now because the new aprilla RS457 making just 47hp in a 457cc engine. higher than 449cc of 450sr Or your new ninja 500 making 45hp in an 451cc
Nope. That's only in socialist nations like Australia and the EU. Free democratic nations like Canada and the U.S.A will have the 58hp version. This is the same engine used on their Eliminator model, so we already know the specs. @@Leoone_1029
Just got mine last week and I can't stop smiling while riding it. The ergonomics are fantastic, not too aggressive, not too relaxed. Brakes are good. Transmission is smooth. Sounds like a V-twin. And most importantly, it looks better than most of the other motorcycles in its class.
hows it been? have you had the problem while in gp, that you click down (for me was into 6th gear) to upshift and the shifter went straight down vertically. kinda went into neutral then had to click it back into 6th where it went downard that way. concerned for my trans but its still clicking fine and dont hear any clanking inbetwwen shifts, keep in mind it has 350 miles on it Reply
Demoed one today, It rides like a much higher end bike, just with only 50hp. I'm also 250lbs and the suspension felt fine, the Brembo brake was great, and the fueling and overall feel of that motor is incredible for a $5500 beginner bike. No jerky throttle response, blipping off downshifts is super easy and that little motor loves to rev. 80mph on the highway, no buzz at all.
Got my 450sr here in Australia as my 2nd bike! put 2500km on it over a few months and I love it! I weigh 110kg and am 6 foot 8 and it still has a bunch on tap for me. An awesome machine and definitely bang for buck!
I'd love to see a longer term review of these CFMoto bikes. Something like a 10K or 20K mile review. They seem great from the factory, but it would be nice to know how they hold up long term.
I've got 6000 on my CL/X Heritage. It's a very fun bike. The only issue I've had is that once it was entirely dead, disconnected and reconnected the battery and it was back to normal, that was 2000 miles ago. Zero issues apart from that. The fueling is bizarre in eco mode but I just stay in sport mode.
I was looking at them last year, all I could find about long term quality was a guy in Asia who had pre-mature wear and he could easily get parts and repair himself... not sure about parts in USA/Europe
@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 Why? You think the same thing of KTMs? Because the sub 800cc KTMs are made in the same factory. They also made Kawasaki engines for a few years and those aren't exploding. I'm very happy with mine and I'm not seeing anyone in the CFMoto forums having any significant issues at all.
Man, everyone is really singing the praises of this motorcycle. It would really be a good thing for Cfmoto to be the “real deal” with their products. It would increase the availability of parts, aftermarket items, and the competition with Japanese and European bikes would be good for pricing for all of us. Good review!
Your note about the black/silver colorway looking like an Aprilia is exactly what I thought the first time I saw one of these on the road. Guy had an aftermarket pipe on it, and it looked and sounded like an Aprilia. Blew my mind when I got next to it and saw what it was.
The ZX4RR is a very anticipated motorbike but only from a niche of a niche group of people. You have to be the kind of person to CHOOSE one over a second hand ZX-6R or an MT-09 for the same price. The 450SS is gonna be the kinda bike open to every new rider.
I've been so hyped on these when I went to the local dealership with my buddy to look at a ZX6R. They have a new stock of the 450SS in. The salesman walked up started talking to me about the 450SS. Then I had to tell him everything he was wrong about, all the things he didn't know like the built in GP clutch. 😂😂😂 I ended talking the guy into buying one of his own bikes 😂😂😂
I'm glad the King of beginner motorcycle Ninja400 has some real competition now. My only concern with CFMoto will just be reliability and aftermarket support. It's kinda like KTM's RC390; great bike but was plagued with reliability issues and lack of dealership in most places (non-existent here in Japan) Another fact which won't affect US riders but does for most parts of the world, anything above a 400cc displacement (or thereabouts) is usually a tier above the standard motorcycle license. Meaning in places like Japan, your standard motorcycle license only allows you to ride up to 400cc displacement, which explains why historically there has been many in this category, inc the new ZX4rr. This bike seems pretty sweet, especially for a new rider but outside the US, I don't see it being very popular because of the tiered licensing and I doubt anyone will take the time and effort to get the unlimited license just to ride this over all the others.
I’m an experienced rider and got one because it caught my eye at a dealership. Let me just start off with it’s an amazing experience. I like it more than my h2! I have a few other bikes as well and this one beats them all. Every turn is fun, the looks make me happy and all the aftermarket parts are affordable. I put a slip on exhaust on and it sounds like a smaller ducati 899. The features beat all other sport bikes in the category and in the Facebook groups no one has had an issue with theirs. This bike absolutely kicks the other brands in the pants and they better start to rethink their beginner models. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I’ll get back with you.
Which FB groups? The main FB group for the 450ss as well as the 300's have reports from more and more owners about failed or failing ignition coils, along with intermittent dash issues. Also a few threads floating around about cfmoto side by side engines with low hours/miles failing prematurely. Give it a few months and you will most likely see the same thing from these newly released bikes Reality isn't as rosy as the picture your painting for the brand.
How does it feel on extensive rides? I’m 5’10 so would the seat position or anything be uncomfortable after a long time? I live in California so I might be on it for like a while during some rides ??
Hi Spite. I bought a brand new CF MOTO 450RS motorcycle and from new, gear changes were rough and it had vibrations. After the first service, the bike felt a lot worse, and engine was over heating sporadically. At 1400klm I realised when the dealer said that it was normal and I had taken the bike back 6 times, back to the dealer, I investigated the problem and found the dealer was filling the oil to below the empty level. When I toped up the oil, it took 750ml to get it to the full line. That's 1/3rd oil missing since new. In the cf moto user manual it states that the oil should only be filled to below the low line, but in doesn't say if this when the bike is on the side stand or upright on a service stand. Turns out they were filling it up on the service stand in the upright, and those instructions were for the bike being on the side stand. So dealer was filling my bike and some others short of oil. Engine now sounds rough compared to new bike and I am hearing a slight ratting sound. Can you please tell me, during this crucial run in period, what is the potential damage to the engine and gear box? I think during the crucial 1000klm run in period not having enough oil to meet even the bottom line of the low indicator mark would have caused damage, but dealer said no, it's o.k..
CFmoto has certainly caught the attention of many riders. The SR series is fantastic! They are making some waves in the market...the motorcycles in the Twisties are bliss! When and if you ride one you'll see what I mean. 😊 Well, the blogger in this video shows he feelings about it , and he's not bullshitting either... Surprised at the lean angle you can get away with, the suspension is really good!The CST tires are surprisingly good, sticky!! The way the bikes are presented and dressed they'll be sure to catch your eye. They look the super-sport bike look! Honestly, for the money, you get good quality, seriously! Safe riding
@newearth9027 Hi there, of the Chinese Bikes I have the Zontes GK 350, and the CFmoto 300 SR... and I got to try the CFmoto 450 SR, on a CFMOTO Review platform where you enlist yourself to ride through the mountains with a guide to rear and review the different bikes they offer! It was great 👍 The 675 SR looks very promising too! For the quality/price point, it's unbeatable! Safe riding ✌️
Reliability ? Parts availability? Dealer network? Resale value? I’ll make my judgement when I see long term owners reviews with bikes that have covered 30 plus thousand miles.
One thing that it does way better than the Ninja 400: my foot doesn't fight with the exhaust for space! When my feet were on the pegs, they were only on the pegs, not fighting with the exhaust for room
The thing to remember is this engine was being developed for KTM but they decided not to enter the middleweight market and they also make other engines for KTM and yamaha and frames for some of the yamaha MT series so it’s not a newbie company. I’m downsizing so I need to take one out for a ride it’s really growing on me. Amazon sells a screen protector for the display already😂
CFMoto coming hard at the Japanese companies...they are even building a factory in Mexico on the border to build these bikes for the American market. CFMoto could be as disruptive to the motorcycle market as Honda was in the 1960s. At first people laughed them off because at the time a bunch of Japanese products had a reputation of being low quality. CFMoto seems to have done their homework when it comes to quality control and if they can shake the stigma caused by the other Chinese bike companies maybe they will force the Big 4 to innovate some more.
What I'm seeing is the CFMotos value drop off a cliff once purchased. I'm tracking them on Facebook Marketplace and nobody is buying them. Nobody is buying them used, The bikes just sit. You can't hardly give them away used. They remind me of Beneli's. Personally I won't spend more than $2500 on a used one that is in pristine condition with less than 5K miles. I would rather spend $4500 to $5500 on Japanese every day all day.
I am currently on the weightless feeling 300NK. My local dealership has both the 300NK/SS and the 450SS, and honestly don't know why the 300 exists here in the USA. If I was not looking at the 2022 leftover 700CLX models in the brass rim Heritage bike, this would likely be the one. I am trying to get my wife to get one of these so I can put miles on it for her lol.
I have the 22' 300nk. I bought it last year and I still would've gotten the 300 if the 450 was out at that time because it cost me 5k out the door with a 3 year warranty. Plus it's my first bike ever. I don't need much more to learn the ropes. Just basic, cheap, and easy to fix for a beginner rider.
I have the 22' 300nk. I bought it last year and I still would've gotten the 300 if the 450 was out at that time because it cost me 5k out the door with a 3 year warranty. Plus it's my first bike ever. I don't need much more to learn the ropes. Just basic, cheap, and easy to fix for a beginner rider.
If you have the money get a 650. I got a Z400 and it's been a great fun bike with 49bhp. But you'll get used to it very quickly. I'm 140lbs and got used to it in a matter of days(and it's my first bike). If you want the quality and v twin get an SV.
@@county_bear9509 I already have a mt-07 that's my profile picture. But there isn't much of a price difference between it and the ninja so I'd still get it it looks like.
I really enjoy CFMOTO going to several type of bikes and really trying to go after big company and actually making competition in a market that feels stale
Looks like those winglets are really adding stability, I was thinking that the Aprilia RS440 would be the edge that shaves the Ninjas but CFmoto seem to be on point. I never underestimate China build quality, they are highly efficient and innovative
@@ellwoodwolf Well my experience of the legacy brands is their quality is over the place at MY EXPENSE. All of our cars/vans/motorcycles are CHINESE now because of the forking bullshit ive put up with and NO ISSUES
@@robvanduren761 Not really, China's build quality is extremely consistent for the price the company wants to pay, that's why everyone makes stuff in China, you know what you'll get. American companies go to China, pays them 10 cents for smth that costs 1 dollar to make, of course the quality will be low. iphones, playstations, DJIs, the world's most advanced ships are also made in china, just happens in those cases the companies decided to pay for quality instead of profit. also the china made teslas are THE most in demand teslas because they're wayyy higher quality than the ones made in the u.s.
Nice review, I wish you would have included Josh's ride and opinion since you know, he was there and rode it and is a lighter rider...just saying and enjoy yer channel
Recranking an engine is worse than boring up the displacement, it is really difficult since you basically ditched the axle and everything. Might as well create a new engine, for manufacturers.
It costs as much as a Ninja 400 here, or around €7500. There's 2 main issues here that'd keep someone like me from buying them. The biggest one is not having any dealers nearby. The other one is there's no real used market for them. A used Ninja 400 is cheaper, and if/when you want to move on to a bigger bike, you won't be losing much money on it. Meanwhile the CFmoto probably tanks in value the second you buy it. Still, very exciting to see this competition for the best A2 sports bik., Aprilia is also working on a RS440, I wonder how competitively priced that'll be.
Also no real aftermarket parts yet and I hear even oil filters are hard to come by. But if the bike is reliable for the next few years and they get some after support I could see it being the go to beginner bike. But it’s an uphill battle being Chinese.
Awesome video! Your details in the comments show you do your research and remind me why you're among the best reviewers on youtube, Spite! A lot of videos on this bike talk about it as an "amazing beginner bike"... I'm actually in the camp of people willing to 'trade down' my 600 to get one of these machines as the package and styling really appeal to me. Do you think these bikes hold the same level of "awesomeness" to an experienced rider as it would to a beginner? Or would they eventually miss the power of previous bikes?
The CFMoto 450 looks really good, but I don't think that it'll dethrone the Ninja 400 anytime soon. CFMoto's been here in Australia for well over a decade, so they don't have the new brand stigma & sell plenty of units. They've had the time to make their name known & show the market that they make reliable bikes. And the 450 certainly has the looks of a proper sport bike compared to the Ninja. But CFMoto has 2 big problems. First, the ride away price is only $800 dollarydoos less than the Ninja 400. Paying 10% more for the Ninja 400 doesn't seem like a lot when you have that Kawasaki badge on the side of your tank, especially when the resale value is around $2,200 dollarydoos in Kawasaki's favour based on the current market here on a like-for-like comparison. Secondly CFMoto is a Chinese brand. Now we all know that China makes everything from the cheap tat on Temu to the apple iPhone, and I'm sure that CFMoto's manufacturing aligns more towards the iPhone end in the manufacturing quality spectrum. Being a Chinese brand, though, comes with the human rights & labour practice issues that stem from their government. That's a taint on the brand that a lot of people can't look past & it's the reason why I won't buy a CFMoto, Benelli or any other motorcycle manufactured in China, no matter how badly I want to own one. It's also the reason that the Kawasaki Ninja 400 is the best selling bike in Australia despite CFMoto having a 650cc sport bike for exactly the same price.
My biggest reason why I'd still opt the ninja 400 over the cfmoto is the ninja's well proven reliability and solid after sales service (ease of access to parts, dealer connections etc)
@@regisbagas784another plus of the Ninja is the hp gains they get from tuning and bolt ons. Multiple dyno videos are available where 10+ max whp gains with a solid 5-6 whp throughout the entire rev range… all with an inexpensive exhaust, velocity stacks, filter and a tune. 10 whp is a 20% gain on that bike. Especially on something that weighs in the 360 lb range…
no replys on the human rights issue part of it u raised there.... lol. or not lol really. people no. 1 cheap, shop by price- looks the same cost less... this one. so what if people make less wages, I get 22/hr and am quietly quitting at it too, an I need the savings for 7 dolla coffees, an rad tennies man, sooo..
Hope you get on the 2023 CLX 700 heritage it has the new ADV electronics. Offroad mode and switchable abs and traction control. Got mine in april and i love it.
CFMOTO are way better than older Hyosungs, those things were garbage from the factory. But pretty good once you replaced all the problem parts. The engines themselves were good. I can only speak from personal experience but I've had 2 of the 650 models and had no real issues. One is coming up on a decade old and still starts straight away. In Aus
Sure are a lot of comments on this thread that are hypocritical. "I won't buy Chinese it sucks" while posting from a desktop computer or phone that is made in China driving a Ford Raptor that has lots of Chinese “subassemblies” (“Globally sourced” is the term they like to use) imported from China for final assembly in a US factory. Even the new Harley MSF bikes are made in China. Not defending all the shit China does, just saying these CFMoto bikes are not your usual Chinese POS bikes of the past. The positive of this is it can force the Big 4 to bring high end features down to the lower end price points (like cruise control) to compete.
This is precisely the issue. Having worked in manufacturing that was slowly swallowed by Chinese parts and then eventually shut down I know first hand the problems this causes. It starts with 1 cheap option, then it's two, then it's all your favorite brands being built from parts that are sliced cheap, then all the big companies are bought out and become Chinese companies and you have no option but to purchase from one place. It's a big funnel.
The CF Moto specs for the chain tension is .75" - 1.25" slack. My son bought one and I could hear it clanking on the chain guard now and then when I was riding behind him. So we checked the manual, and it was set to spec. Weird but ok.
@18830dc to be fair the Hornet I gave spite hits the guard when it's in spec, as well as my vulcan. Grom wanted the chain tight tho so it's very bike dependent
@@18830dc damn that is tight for a 900 woah. Great bike I almost bought the silver/candy plasma blue one. Only gripe is I'm heavy and kept smashing my nads into the tank when I stopped lol.
@@18830dc Set to Chinese infrastructures. Southeast Asian regularly have bikes tuned with 1 to 1.25" out of factory slack to account for shitty roads and gravels. Yes. even sport bikes.
I wonder if they'll make an A2 compliant version for Europe since they only need to drop 3hp. I reckon that could allow it to be a big seller here. Especially since there's already a large Chinese market for 125s and even a bit in 250s.
Spite, a bonafide Harley guy, praising CFMoto for this bike shows how good it is. The only thing holding people back is reliability, hopefully someone actually tests this bike to its limits mileage and usage wise. Also Spite, they just made a cruiser with this engine. Something to combat the Rebel 500 and the incoming Kawi cruiser 400? 👀 I hope CFMoto pushes the Japanese brands to innovate more, cause this bike is a serious contender to the Ninja 400, CBR500R and the Yamaha R3.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that it could be a Ninja 400 killer. I rode it back to back with a Ninja 400 & also a Yamaha R3. I did come back really really impressed even though I was initially reluctant to ride it. The bike is surprisingly impressive and decently built but I think it will take time before the aftermarket parts supply catches up. I have started seeing a few on the roads here in Central Florida so it sure is catching on which is great!
I am wondering if we at the cusp of a new era where the Chinese do to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the British. Could the majority of us be riding Chinese bikes in 5-10 years, and only the upper echelon be riding Japanese/Italian bikes.
I really do think though, dealerships need to step up their game. Shitcan the little markups and get an honest price on the bike. I know they’re there to make money it just pisses me off royally that there’s an extra $1100 tacked onto the out the door price. I know not all dealerships are this way but they need to step up their game and really start focussing on the consumer and bring value to the marketplace. The fact that you can get some Chinese motorcycles in the United States mailed right to your front doorstep and then an afternoon go through it have it running and save some serious coin does not go well for the dealerships. Most people do not want to feel like they got bent over!
The issue for me is the cf moto will last 4-5 years. Japanese 400’s from 20 years ago are still running strong. These bikes are created to be cheap and disposable.
@@darko_lengkeek-jakupovic trying to find any evidence that cf makes engines for Kawasaki motorcycles. Can’t. Please enlighten me. As to KTM, what’s their reliability like?
I'm 45/50kg but 170cm tall nothing heavy for me since Imma construction worker I've ridden 450SR never once I said it's heavy, maybe u need to go hit the GYM
They are 'based' on KTM engines... whatever that means. Btw CFMoto assemble engines for KTM which could well explain why KTM reliability seems to be a bit hit or miss in the QC department. Higher than average gasket failures, coolant leaks etc etc just look on the KTM forums. It wouldn't surprise me if they at least share some parts. It might be $800 than a ninja but at least with the ninja I know reliability is more likely going to be very good... and it's resale value will also recoup most of that $800 compared to the CFMoto.
As a person that's interested in purchasing a a 400 class motorcycle, my concerns are the following: 1) accessibility to services spare parts, 2) are the aforementioned parts interchangeable\compatible with KTM motorcycles?
How did your lower half feel compared to the ninja 400? I can’t find a 450ss near me and we’re basically the same size so your opinion will be valuable.
I'm the same size as spite, for me personally I enjoy the pegs and never found myself having to force my legs to meet them like I do on an r3, a ninja is a bit more upright but if you're over 6 ft the higher sets on the cfmoto don't make much of a difference, if you got thick legs the smaller rider triangle may be uncomfortable after a long straight ride but that's down to preference and what you're willing to trade off. I have ridden almost all the cfmoto bikes now and have been simping on them all year lol. I just rode a bmw gs 1200 and the cfmoto ibex800 back to back and for a third the price you get everything the bmw has besides a shaft drive. And I'd rather have a chain anyway, can't replace a drive shaft on the highway.
@@Ortisan_Official first off thanks for the input. I’m 6’4 235 pounds 34 inseam and I’m as beginner as they get. While I felt a lot more comfortable on bigger bikes, I plan to ride a 400 until I get all the fundamentals down. The ninja was 10x easier on my knees than the r3 lol. For now I’ll keep searching for a cf before I make a decision.
@@spitescorner i appreciate the response man. I’m new the the lifestyle so I didn’t think of that. I just researched rear sets for the ninja and think it’ll make the difference that I want. When I sat on the ninja 400 I wasn’t uncomfortable but I did feel like if my legs were an inch or 2 shorter it’d be perfect.
My only complaint with this bike, is that if you finance it and need full coverage insurance, be ready to pay like 400+ per month. Only reason im going with a different bike lol
Quick question: Is it possible to lower the rear suspension to accommodate a short rider? My daughter is 5'3". Her 2011 Ninja 250r I installed lowering links, it brought the seat down about 3 inches.
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I hope it puts pressure on Japanese bikes to add cruise control and electronics on sub 10k motorcycles
bro i think someone tossed you some cash to ignore the exhaust note and how it it sounds like shaving metal xD like a damaged ball bearing for a computer fan or something
Not gonna give my money to a CCP company, so Imma stick with my trusty Kawi.
I just bought one on June 30th so far so good! I'm loving it.
@@Merc399naw bro it's a 270° crank it sounds awesome. His mic does not do it justice.
I hear the CFMOTO 450 SS comes standard with the ability to piss off "that uncle" at family events.
Is full metal corgi a chatgpt ?
@@ellwoodwolf As an AI I am unable to answer that question
I hope you can figure out mopac traffic then.
@@ellwoodwolf nukes will technically solve the problem.
If my black uncles who all ride Asian sport bikes and love classic dubbed martial arts movies. Saw me on this with some hentai stickers, they would love me more. Instead they judge me for buying abused 125cc scooters so I can afford to drive my V8 ute.
Hi. I have been riding for nearly 2 decades and use this to daily comute. I just bought the CF Moto 450 because of its drop dead gorgeous looks and its ultra smooth engine and gearbox. As a 50 year old, I thought that the more aggressive riding stance (especially coming from a upright naked Duke) might be too much for me, but I have not had any issues with any back or wrist pains (even on long days out in the country). I use to own a triumph thruxton nearly 10 years ago, and I had really bad back and wrist pains after 1 hour of riding it. The fact that I don't get pains on this bike is a big plus.
I will start with the bad points I've experienced so far. This one is not a huge problem, but one to note. The sat navigation has taken me to places that I've not entered once or twice when I've gone out to the country side. It also couldn't find a popular town that a lot of people go to. So while I like that it has in built turn by turn nav, I wished they had installed Google maps instead of their own system, but since I don't use the navigation (except to try it out that day), it's not a problem for me.
Second, and more of an issue for me... I think the fuel economy is high for a 450. I know it's still in the breaking in period, but at 4.6L per 100k's (what I'm getting so far), it's pretty bad, especially since I'm quite careful with it during run in. That's nearly what a Hornet 750 or a Duke 790 gets.
Lastly, and this is a minor gripe, but I wish that the kick stand was around a cm longer. It feels like the bike wants to go over when you stop on anything but a flat surface.
Another really bad thing about this bike is the preconceived ideas people have about the brand. While I would not recommend cfmoto's earlier bikes, their collaboration with KTM and its in-house designers have paid off and has been proven in all the great reviews this bike has been getting.
Even so people will come up to you and ask what make and brand the bike is. Then you have to explain.. it's CF Moto. , oh... they'll say. Then you have to let them know t's a Chinese company. They really need to change the name of CF Moto to something else, something that rolls off the tongue easier.
It's hard to justify and explain who they are and what the CF in CF moto means. I think that we are all use to other big brands being made from China, but saying that name Cf Moto, doesn't bring pride to the ownerships even if this is a top of the class bike.
I mean, look at the other up coming Chinese brand Kove (pronounced Kove'), it sounds fancy and more a kin to a top quality/premium bike.
Cf Moto should follow suit so that they can increase their brand loyalties. Even though I like this bike, I would not wear any of their merch.
Am I worried about the fit finish and reliability? Not at all. CF Moto has been around for a long time in Australia. This bike is solid and put together very well. It has a 3 year factory warranty which is longer than nearly all the established makes. Also considering CF Moto makes the engines for the Ninja 400, it would not suprise me if this is the same engine bored out to 450cc with a 270° crank shaft instead of 180 and they've called it their own. May be this the exact engine that KTM and cfmoto were working on before KTM pulled out of building the Duke 490 range.
Thats it for the bad stuff. What I love. The looks. The front a rear winglets are a first to market in class and give it an aggressive and unique look to a otherwise mundane cbr-r sport bike template.
I also like that it has a nice big, bright tft with optional 2 display layouts and lots of features, some of which include rev shift alert, over speed alert so you don't speed too much over and loose your licence, the forementioned sat navigation, from phone to Bluetooth call with music controls from the switches, a bike tracker with geo fencing alert. You can also track your bike if your friend borrows it, or it gets stolen and moved anywhere in the world. This has a greater advantage for owners because when I told the insurance company that It has it, they lowered my insurance premiums, all of which is not on the Ninja 400... yeay!!!
It does have a bigger bike feel and you do feel it when you throw your legs over it to start, but the bike does shrink around you when you move at normal paces, but when you push it, I do feel that the bike feels like it's bigger than what it actually is again, which is really wiered but not in a bad way. Not a sensation I've felt before.
I love how sure footed this bike is at any speed. It always feels really planted, stable and grippy. Pulls from 3800 rpm comfortably. The slightly more tucked in hunkered down position is comfortable as long as your not over 5 10-11". A really big thumbs up. It's really manuvrable and easily threads through tight and heavy peak hour bumper to bumper traffic (even with those big long mirrors out which was a big suprise).
And have I mentioned how smooth it is. The engine is silky smooth, It also sounds good from factory. I like the pops and burble sounds it makes when down shifting. Almost like a softer quieter C63 merc. Like the C63, I wish the muffler also had the quiet and loud pass through valve to really give it a bit more rumble on the road and a quiet mode so the neighbours don't get angry option at 5am start up.
For people who say it's only a beginners bike, I would urge you to think twice. You can only go as fast as the speed limit these days, so anything over a 500 to 600cc is posturing. This bike has more than enough power to get you out of trouble, it does also allow you to have fun while being much safer. It has a much lower rego and insurance cost compared to a big bike and much, much, much cheaper to buy. While I think beginners will love it, it is a great real world conditions bike for everyone under 5.10".
The price. For what you get, it's a hell of a deal.
Thank you for a wonderful owners-review and especially from a fellow Australian perspective. If only I wasn't 6'1" I'd likely trade in my Ninja 650L for this little weapon!
-Kawasaki builds the N400 engine themselves (Kawasaki heavy industries)
-The N400 makes the same power and torque outside of socialist nations like Australia and the EU; with 52 less CC's. This is a testament to CFMoto's subpar engineering.
It's a fantastic bike, and a needed a slap in the face to the beginner motorcycle industry - but let's not get out of hand. The Japanese bikes are still superior in almost every way, especially in regards to power per CC, fit and finish, reliability, and dealer support.
@@joshgts9675that’s not entirely true considering how restricted the 450sr’s come from factory.
The jap bikes finitely don’t beat the 450srs in a lot of areas
@joshgts9675 well “power per cc” is going away now because the new aprilla RS457 making just 47hp in a 457cc engine. higher than 449cc of 450sr
Or your new ninja 500 making 45hp in an 451cc
Nope. That's only in socialist nations like Australia and the EU. Free democratic nations like Canada and the U.S.A will have the 58hp version.
This is the same engine used on their Eliminator model, so we already know the specs. @@Leoone_1029
Bro I swear to god I passed you on my Ibex on the day you took this thing out! I was headed into the canyons as you were headed out.
I had a feeling that was you lol
No shame….
Chaseeee :D
Just got mine last week and I can't stop smiling while riding it. The ergonomics are fantastic, not too aggressive, not too relaxed. Brakes are good. Transmission is smooth. Sounds like a V-twin. And most importantly, it looks better than most of the other motorcycles in its class.
hows it been? have you had the problem while in gp, that you click down (for me was into 6th gear) to upshift and the shifter went straight down vertically. kinda went into neutral then had to click it back into 6th where it went downard that way. concerned for my trans but its still clicking fine and dont hear any clanking inbetwwen shifts, keep in mind it has 350 miles on it
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Demoed one today, It rides like a much higher end bike, just with only 50hp. I'm also 250lbs and the suspension felt fine, the Brembo brake was great, and the fueling and overall feel of that motor is incredible for a $5500 beginner bike. No jerky throttle response, blipping off downshifts is super easy and that little motor loves to rev. 80mph on the highway, no buzz at all.
Got my 450sr here in Australia as my 2nd bike! put 2500km on it over a few months and I love it! I weigh 110kg and am 6 foot 8 and it still has a bunch on tap for me. An awesome machine and definitely bang for buck!
Keep people updated, we want to know how it goes
not too cramped on long rides? im just 6'1 so i should be fine?
@@moxigen its a little tight in the legs. A bit bunched up but there is plenty of relief in the clip on height.
@@mjcustoms1398 interesting, i guess i ll try it out. thx!
Thx bro for the feedback, I’m 6’4 n was worried I’m to big 🤙
Hopefully this is my Christmas present 🤟
I'd love to see a longer term review of these CFMoto bikes. Something like a 10K or 20K mile review. They seem great from the factory, but it would be nice to know how they hold up long term.
I've got 6000 on my CL/X Heritage. It's a very fun bike. The only issue I've had is that once it was entirely dead, disconnected and reconnected the battery and it was back to normal, that was 2000 miles ago. Zero issues apart from that. The fueling is bizarre in eco mode but I just stay in sport mode.
If I can get my hands on one for a while I'd love to do that. Chase on Two Wheels road his Ibex to Sturgis
Don’t hold your breath…if a CF moto actually makes it to 20k miles I’d be stunned 😂
I was looking at them last year, all I could find about long term quality was a guy in Asia who had pre-mature wear and he could easily get parts and repair himself... not sure about parts in USA/Europe
@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 Why? You think the same thing of KTMs? Because the sub 800cc KTMs are made in the same factory. They also made Kawasaki engines for a few years and those aren't exploding. I'm very happy with mine and I'm not seeing anyone in the CFMoto forums having any significant issues at all.
Man, everyone is really singing the praises of this motorcycle. It would really be a good thing for Cfmoto to be the “real deal” with their products. It would increase the availability of parts, aftermarket items, and the competition with Japanese and European bikes would be good for pricing for all of us. Good review!
Your note about the black/silver colorway looking like an Aprilia is exactly what I thought the first time I saw one of these on the road. Guy had an aftermarket pipe on it, and it looked and sounded like an Aprilia. Blew my mind when I got next to it and saw what it was.
I've had this bike since it came out. I get asked all the time if it is an Aprilia. 😂
The ZX4RR is a very anticipated motorbike but only from a niche of a niche group of people. You have to be the kind of person to CHOOSE one over a second hand ZX-6R or an MT-09 for the same price. The 450SS is gonna be the kinda bike open to every new rider.
Amazing, amazing bike. As a beginner I'm having a ton of fun on it. Would recommend it to anyone looking for a starter sport-bike.
I've been so hyped on these when I went to the local dealership with my buddy to look at a ZX6R. They have a new stock of the 450SS in. The salesman walked up started talking to me about the 450SS. Then I had to tell him everything he was wrong about, all the things he didn't know like the built in GP clutch. 😂😂😂 I ended talking the guy into buying one of his own bikes 😂😂😂
Spite I have not had one thing loose on my 450SS. Build quality is better than most all I looked at.
I'm glad the King of beginner motorcycle Ninja400 has some real competition now. My only concern with CFMoto will just be reliability and aftermarket support. It's kinda like KTM's RC390; great bike but was plagued with reliability issues and lack of dealership in most places (non-existent here in Japan)
Another fact which won't affect US riders but does for most parts of the world, anything above a 400cc displacement (or thereabouts) is usually a tier above the standard motorcycle license. Meaning in places like Japan, your standard motorcycle license only allows you to ride up to 400cc displacement, which explains why historically there has been many in this category, inc the new ZX4rr. This bike seems pretty sweet, especially for a new rider but outside the US, I don't see it being very popular because of the tiered licensing and I doubt anyone will take the time and effort to get the unlimited license just to ride this over all the others.
Yeah I just picked one by today. I love it so much
I’m an experienced rider and got one because it caught my eye at a dealership. Let me just start off with it’s an amazing experience. I like it more than my h2! I have a few other bikes as well and this one beats them all. Every turn is fun, the looks make me happy and all the aftermarket parts are affordable. I put a slip on exhaust on and it sounds like a smaller ducati 899. The features beat all other sport bikes in the category and in the Facebook groups no one has had an issue with theirs. This bike absolutely kicks the other brands in the pants and they better start to rethink their beginner models. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I’ll get back with you.
Which FB groups? The main FB group for the 450ss as well as the 300's have reports from more and more owners about failed or failing ignition coils, along with intermittent dash issues.
Also a few threads floating around about cfmoto side by side engines with low hours/miles failing prematurely. Give it a few months and you will most likely see the same thing from these newly released bikes
Reality isn't as rosy as the picture your painting for the brand.
Sarcasm 🤭🤭
Why u shilling for this brand? They pay u??
@@rich213salIt definitely has the paid review by a foreign actor vibe to it. "The looks make me happy. I like it more than my h2".
LMAO
How does it feel on extensive rides? I’m 5’10 so would the seat position or anything be uncomfortable after a long time? I live in California so I might be on it for like a while during some rides ??
The 450SS was surprisingly fun, but that 700 CX-L was sooooo much fun!
I own them both. Fun
For me the buttons feel better than anything I've touched on a yamaha, that being r7 mt03 and mt07
The buttons on the 700 sport I sat on last year were absolutely the worst looking part of the quality- they were nowhere near my mt-07
Hi Spite. I bought a brand new CF MOTO 450RS motorcycle and from new, gear changes were rough and it had vibrations. After the first service, the bike felt a lot worse, and engine was over heating sporadically. At 1400klm I realised when the dealer said that it was normal and I had taken the bike back 6 times, back to the dealer, I investigated the problem and found the dealer was filling the oil to below the empty level. When I toped up the oil, it took 750ml to get it to the full line. That's 1/3rd oil missing since new.
In the cf moto user manual it states that the oil should only be filled to below the low line, but in doesn't say if this when the bike is on the side stand or upright on a service stand. Turns out they were filling it up on the service stand in the upright, and those instructions were for the bike being on the side stand. So dealer was filling my bike and some others short of oil.
Engine now sounds rough compared to new bike and I am hearing a slight ratting sound. Can you please tell me, during this crucial run in period, what is the potential damage to the engine and gear box? I think during the crucial 1000klm run in period not having enough oil to meet even the bottom line of the low indicator mark would have caused damage, but dealer said no, it's o.k..
CFmoto has certainly caught the attention of many riders. The SR series is fantastic! They are making some waves in the market...the motorcycles in the Twisties are bliss! When and if you ride one you'll see what I mean. 😊
Well, the blogger in this video shows he feelings about it , and he's not bullshitting either...
Surprised at the lean angle you can get away with, the suspension is really good!The CST tires are surprisingly good, sticky!! The way the bikes are presented and dressed they'll be sure to catch your eye. They look the super-sport bike look!
Honestly, for the money, you get good quality, seriously!
Safe riding
Do you own one?
@newearth9027 Hi there, of the Chinese Bikes I have the Zontes GK 350, and the CFmoto 300 SR... and I got to try the CFmoto 450 SR, on a CFMOTO
Review platform where you enlist yourself to ride through the mountains with a guide to rear and review the different bikes they offer! It was great 👍
The 675 SR looks very promising too! For the
quality/price point, it's unbeatable!
Safe riding ✌️
@@leftymadrid how hard is it to get parts in your experience?
Wow, this must be the 6th cfmoto 450 review I've seen in the past 2 weeks. Cutting edge
Yeah, this bike is getting more air time than anything else I’ve seen - pretty much all good reviews.
HELL YEAH!!!!!! Almost spat my coffee out seeing the thumbnail in excitement!
The thing I love most about CF is for the quality and specs you get with each bike it would be like minimum $2k more from every other major brand.
Reliability ? Parts availability? Dealer network? Resale value?
I’ll make my judgement when I see long term owners reviews with bikes that have covered 30 plus thousand miles.
Do you know anything about cf moto?
Don’t know , don’t know, sorta some places and ZERO- lots of people defending cfmoto, but there’s not evidence to support their claims
Thumbs up for a great video and perfect audio
getting mine on wednesday and will be making reviews and mod vids so hyped
Did u?
One thing that it does way better than the Ninja 400: my foot doesn't fight with the exhaust for space! When my feet were on the pegs, they were only on the pegs, not fighting with the exhaust for room
Really dig this video. Excellent example of a light bike being wonderfully stable
Idk dude, that 24 ninja 451 SE comes LOADED with tech and a badass package 📦 👍🏻
The thing to remember is this engine was being developed for KTM but they decided not to enter the middleweight market and they also make other engines for KTM and yamaha and frames for some of the yamaha MT series so it’s not a newbie company. I’m downsizing so I need to take one out for a ride it’s really growing on me. Amazon sells a screen protector for the display already😂
Thank you for the video. I think I am going to get this bike now.
CFMoto coming hard at the Japanese companies...they are even building a factory in Mexico on the border to build these bikes for the American market. CFMoto could be as disruptive to the motorcycle market as Honda was in the 1960s. At first people laughed them off because at the time a bunch of Japanese products had a reputation of being low quality. CFMoto seems to have done their homework when it comes to quality control and if they can shake the stigma caused by the other Chinese bike companies maybe they will force the Big 4 to innovate some more.
Building engines for KTM and Kawasaki make you do your homework on QC pretty quick.
Exactly. These bikes are absolutely premium. NONE of the big 4 come anywhere close in terms of fit & finish.
What I'm seeing is the CFMotos value drop off a cliff once purchased. I'm tracking them on Facebook Marketplace and nobody is buying them. Nobody is buying them used, The bikes just sit. You can't hardly give them away used. They remind me of Beneli's. Personally I won't spend more than $2500 on a used one that is in pristine condition with less than 5K miles. I would rather spend $4500 to $5500 on Japanese every day all day.
if they do that, and the CCP doesn't see a dime of that money... I might be able to get behind it.
@@spartanx169x you have a very negative mentality towards the market
CF Moto is killing it
....hmm, their 800 naked makes a good case.
I’m super curious to see people begin to really modify these thing and see what they are capable of!
Can always count on Spite to have the sickest fucking riffs in his videos. 🤘🤘🤘
I am currently on the weightless feeling 300NK. My local dealership has both the 300NK/SS and the 450SS, and honestly don't know why the 300 exists here in the USA. If I was not looking at the 2022 leftover 700CLX models in the brass rim Heritage bike, this would likely be the one. I am trying to get my wife to get one of these so I can put miles on it for her lol.
I have the 22' 300nk. I bought it last year and I still would've gotten the 300 if the 450 was out at that time because it cost me 5k out the door with a 3 year warranty. Plus it's my first bike ever. I don't need much more to learn the ropes. Just basic, cheap, and easy to fix for a beginner rider.
I have the 22' 300nk. I bought it last year and I still would've gotten the 300 if the 450 was out at that time because it cost me 5k out the door with a 3 year warranty. Plus it's my first bike ever. I don't need much more to learn the ropes. Just basic, cheap, and easy to fix for a beginner rider.
The stealership I was at today said they usually sell the 300 to track folks.
While you are at it Hangzhou is a great tea export as well.
I LOVE STURGIS! What a beautiful part of the country! The rally is fun too 😉
Im just here for the sick heavy metal at the intro.
Wait what!!!! I wanted a 300 but couldn't find one in white but this now is it!!
If you have the money get a 650. I got a Z400 and it's been a great fun bike with 49bhp. But you'll get used to it very quickly. I'm 140lbs and got used to it in a matter of days(and it's my first bike). If you want the quality and v twin get an SV.
@@county_bear9509 I already have a mt-07 that's my profile picture. But there isn't much of a price difference between it and the ninja so I'd still get it it looks like.
@jtaylorb88 oh my bad man. I didn't notice your pfp. I'm sure it'd be a great second bike then
@@county_bear9509 I was going to just get a R7 but even with the same engine the insurance was triple the cost of my MT, crazy.
I was a little skeptical at first but I think I am going to get it now. Plus it has a 2-year warranty. Thanks for the review!
Make sure you sit on it first depending how tall you are you might want to try something else.
I really enjoy CFMOTO going to several type of bikes and really trying to go after big company and actually making competition in a market that feels stale
Looks like those winglets are really adding stability, I was thinking that the Aprilia RS440 would be the edge that shaves the Ninjas but CFmoto seem to be on point. I never underestimate China build quality, they are highly efficient and innovative
Innovative my ass. They are incapable of that. They literally steal every single design of everything they make.
China build quality is all over the place
@@ellwoodwolf find one review where anyone complains about the CFmoto RS450 build quality ? Anywhere on TH-cam
@@ellwoodwolf Well my experience of the legacy brands is their quality is over the place at MY EXPENSE. All of our cars/vans/motorcycles are CHINESE now because of the forking bullshit ive put up with and NO ISSUES
@@robvanduren761 Not really, China's build quality is extremely consistent for the price the company wants to pay, that's why everyone makes stuff in China, you know what you'll get.
American companies go to China, pays them 10 cents for smth that costs 1 dollar to make, of course the quality will be low. iphones, playstations, DJIs, the world's most advanced ships are also made in china, just happens in those cases the companies decided to pay for quality instead of profit.
also the china made teslas are THE most in demand teslas because they're wayyy higher quality than the ones made in the u.s.
ive definitely been interested since i first saw the 300 and now with this 450... i may have to find a local dealer.
Nice review, I wish you would have included Josh's ride and opinion since you know, he was there and rode it and is a lighter rider...just saying and enjoy yer channel
I’m really surprised Yamaha didn’t put the 270 crank in the R3 and but up the displacement just a hair
Recranking an engine is worse than boring up the displacement, it is really difficult since you basically ditched the axle and everything. Might as well create a new engine, for manufacturers.
It costs as much as a Ninja 400 here, or around €7500. There's 2 main issues here that'd keep someone like me from buying them. The biggest one is not having any dealers nearby. The other one is there's no real used market for them. A used Ninja 400 is cheaper, and if/when you want to move on to a bigger bike, you won't be losing much money on it. Meanwhile the CFmoto probably tanks in value the second you buy it.
Still, very exciting to see this competition for the best A2 sports bik., Aprilia is also working on a RS440, I wonder how competitively priced that'll be.
Also no real aftermarket parts yet and I hear even oil filters are hard to come by. But if the bike is reliable for the next few years and they get some after support I could see it being the go to beginner bike. But it’s an uphill battle being Chinese.
@@butsargeee No oil filters? You can order 10,0000 online if you want
Awesome video! Your details in the comments show you do your research and remind me why you're among the best reviewers on youtube, Spite!
A lot of videos on this bike talk about it as an "amazing beginner bike"... I'm actually in the camp of people willing to 'trade down' my 600 to get one of these machines as the package and styling really appeal to me. Do you think these bikes hold the same level of "awesomeness" to an experienced rider as it would to a beginner? Or would they eventually miss the power of previous bikes?
I think its a case of it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast then a fast bike slow. The 450SS is kinda of in that sweet spot.
Great video! Who plays the outro music for you? If you could point me in their direction, that would be great, thanks.
The 300SR was so beautiful, and now they made the 450SR which is even more beautiful. However, CF Moto is not a cheap brand. Premium Chinese.
Now im really happy cause i just put a deposit down for one of these a week ago :D
Im happy that every gigle on bikes isnt just me 😂
The CFMoto 450 looks really good, but I don't think that it'll dethrone the Ninja 400 anytime soon. CFMoto's been here in Australia for well over a decade, so they don't have the new brand stigma & sell plenty of units. They've had the time to make their name known & show the market that they make reliable bikes. And the 450 certainly has the looks of a proper sport bike compared to the Ninja. But CFMoto has 2 big problems. First, the ride away price is only $800 dollarydoos less than the Ninja 400. Paying 10% more for the Ninja 400 doesn't seem like a lot when you have that Kawasaki badge on the side of your tank, especially when the resale value is around $2,200 dollarydoos in Kawasaki's favour based on the current market here on a like-for-like comparison. Secondly CFMoto is a Chinese brand. Now we all know that China makes everything from the cheap tat on Temu to the apple iPhone, and I'm sure that CFMoto's manufacturing aligns more towards the iPhone end in the manufacturing quality spectrum. Being a Chinese brand, though, comes with the human rights & labour practice issues that stem from their government. That's a taint on the brand that a lot of people can't look past & it's the reason why I won't buy a CFMoto, Benelli or any other motorcycle manufactured in China, no matter how badly I want to own one. It's also the reason that the Kawasaki Ninja 400 is the best selling bike in Australia despite CFMoto having a 650cc sport bike for exactly the same price.
Here in portugal this bike is more expensive than the ninja 400
My biggest reason why I'd still opt the ninja 400 over the cfmoto is the ninja's well proven reliability and solid after sales service (ease of access to parts, dealer connections etc)
@@regisbagas784another plus of the Ninja is the hp gains they get from tuning and bolt ons. Multiple dyno videos are available where 10+ max whp gains with a solid 5-6 whp throughout the entire rev range… all with an inexpensive exhaust, velocity stacks, filter and a tune. 10 whp is a 20% gain on that bike. Especially on something that weighs in the 360 lb range…
no replys on the human rights issue part of it u raised there.... lol. or not lol really. people no. 1 cheap, shop by price- looks the same cost less... this one. so what if people make less wages, I get 22/hr and am quietly quitting at it too, an I need the savings for 7 dolla coffees, an rad tennies man, sooo..
Jokes on you, ninja 400 might be built in china at cfmoto factory.
Hope you get on the 2023 CLX 700 heritage it has the new ADV electronics. Offroad mode and switchable abs and traction control. Got mine in april and i love it.
I love my 450ss
Sir, you need to keep spites corner updated with how it goes
you should check out the 650NK and 300NK. I test drove them 2 weeks ago and holy crap really nice bikes, nice stock packages.
They're nice but I find the engines a bit bland. Very similar to a Z650.
Everybody thought the Ford Pinto was hot stuff when it came out too; unfortunately we all found out how correct they were. 🚗🔥🚙
@kenbowlus2995 I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make. The danger of the pinto, while apparent, was overstated.
@@spitescorner that's because it basically is. It uses a retooled er6n engine.
Well, that settles it. Spite has spoken. I'm getting one.
I'd like to see someone compare CF Moto to Hyosung. See which engine blows a gasket first.
CFMOTO are way better than older Hyosungs, those things were garbage from the factory. But pretty good once you replaced all the problem parts. The engines themselves were good. I can only speak from personal experience but I've had 2 of the 650 models and had no real issues. One is coming up on a decade old and still starts straight away. In Aus
Sure are a lot of comments on this thread that are hypocritical. "I won't buy Chinese it sucks" while posting from a desktop computer or phone that is made in China driving a Ford Raptor that has lots of Chinese “subassemblies” (“Globally sourced” is the term they like to use) imported from China for final assembly in a US factory. Even the new Harley MSF bikes are made in China. Not defending all the shit China does, just saying these CFMoto bikes are not your usual Chinese POS bikes of the past. The positive of this is it can force the Big 4 to bring high end features down to the lower end price points (like cruise control) to compete.
This is precisely the issue. Having worked in manufacturing that was slowly swallowed by Chinese parts and then eventually shut down I know first hand the problems this causes. It starts with 1 cheap option, then it's two, then it's all your favorite brands being built from parts that are sliced cheap, then all the big companies are bought out and become Chinese companies and you have no option but to purchase from one place. It's a big funnel.
If my Chinese phone breaks , I don’t run the risk of being mangled for the rest of my life.
Well seeing as how it cost almost as much as a Kawasaki I would hope that it would perform at least 90%
Great video. Great bike😏
Test rode the cf 300nk & 650nk this past friday “cfdemo day”not gonna lie….leaning towards cfmoto than yamaha….
Spitee, what would you suggest for a complete beginner? this biker or Svart 401? I am 6"2 around 250 pounds.
A 650 class bike would be better
Hysung are Built in South Korea are Awesome Motorcycles
The engine sounds coming from the left sound a little weird -- like a timing chain doing something naughty.
The CF Moto specs for the chain tension is .75" - 1.25" slack. My son bought one and I could hear it clanking on the chain guard now and then when I was riding behind him. So we checked the manual, and it was set to spec. Weird but ok.
@18830dc to be fair the Hornet I gave spite hits the guard when it's in spec, as well as my vulcan. Grom wanted the chain tight tho so it's very bike dependent
@@Ortisan_Official My Z900 spec is .5" (I thought mine was too tight, but manual proved me wrong as well)
@@18830dc damn that is tight for a 900 woah. Great bike I almost bought the silver/candy plasma blue one. Only gripe is I'm heavy and kept smashing my nads into the tank when I stopped lol.
@@18830dc Set to Chinese infrastructures. Southeast Asian regularly have bikes tuned with 1 to 1.25" out of factory slack to account for shitty roads and gravels. Yes. even sport bikes.
I hope the 800 NK comes to the states.
I'm going to a dealership after work to go look at these.
Bro Spite …. Love your content mate.. but you are looking like a fire 🔥 hazard.. have a trim champ and you’ll look like a new man ..👌👍
I wonder if they'll make an A2 compliant version for Europe since they only need to drop 3hp. I reckon that could allow it to be a big seller here. Especially since there's already a large Chinese market for 125s and even a bit in 250s.
They have a A2 compliant variant. We have that spec here in Australia even though we dont have the A2 rules here. It's 46 hp
It's A2 compliant. It's 50HP (at the crank) but 47BHP (HP at the wheel). CFMoto just markets it for its BHP spec there to legally pass A2.
I'd like to see some options from CF Moto. I'd buy a NK700 with the spoke wheels from their adventure bike and the Brembo's off the SS.
Spite, a bonafide Harley guy, praising CFMoto for this bike shows how good it is. The only thing holding people back is reliability, hopefully someone actually tests this bike to its limits mileage and usage wise.
Also Spite, they just made a cruiser with this engine. Something to combat the Rebel 500 and the incoming Kawi cruiser 400? 👀
I hope CFMoto pushes the Japanese brands to innovate more, cause this bike is a serious contender to the Ninja 400, CBR500R and the Yamaha R3.
Is it uncomfortable for tall people? im like 1,88 and want to buy my first bike, its either cfmoto 450sr/ ktm rc 390 or aprilia rs 660.
He loves it and "it's a genuine treat" is all that matters, Ninja 400 is not the best anymore.
Can we see a review of the new Honda CB500F?
It has inverted forks and dual disk front brakes now.
WoW, For Spite to really like it. It must be a sweat ride. Because he is a very honest rider.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that it could be a Ninja 400 killer. I rode it back to back with a Ninja 400 & also a Yamaha R3. I did come back really really impressed even though I was initially reluctant to ride it. The bike is surprisingly impressive and decently built but I think it will take time before the aftermarket parts supply catches up. I have started seeing a few on the roads here in Central Florida so it sure is catching on which is great!
I am wondering if we at the cusp of a new era where the Chinese do to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the British. Could the majority of us be riding Chinese bikes in 5-10 years, and only the upper echelon be riding Japanese/Italian bikes.
any update on the cf450ss champ school thing ? that would be. good one :D cheers
Do you or your buddy have a video on the CLX 700?
I really do think though, dealerships need to step up their game. Shitcan the little markups and get an honest price on the bike. I know they’re there to make money it just pisses me off royally that there’s an extra $1100 tacked onto the out the door price. I know not all dealerships are this way but they need to step up their game and really start focussing on the consumer and bring value to the marketplace. The fact that you can get some Chinese motorcycles in the United States mailed right to your front doorstep and then an afternoon go through it have it running and save some serious coin does not go well for the dealerships. Most people do not want to feel like they got bent over!
The issue for me is the cf moto will last 4-5 years. Japanese 400’s from 20 years ago are still running strong. These bikes are created to be cheap and disposable.
How are you so sure? CFmoto makes engines for Kawasaki and KTM.
@@darko_lengkeek-jakupovic trying to find any evidence that cf makes engines for Kawasaki motorcycles. Can’t. Please enlighten me. As to KTM, what’s their reliability like?
@@darko_lengkeek-jakupovicKTM yes, Kawasaki no.
@@yojimbo21Yamaha too
Hey Spite. Please review the TVS Apache RR310/ BMW G310RR if you ever get the opportunity....
I just got the 300nk a month ago. Would be interested in a review of that.
I don't think any Chinese bike ever has been the most anticipated bike of any month, much less year. ;)
I hope my main man Spite will do a first ride and a review on CFMoto's Ibex ADV bike.
Stay tuned 😉
Imagine breaking a Chinesium part in the middle of off-road trip....
The adventure bike looks just as good
i sat on a cf moto. i weigh 45kg and im 162cm tall. It was way too heavy for me as the weight placement is higher on sport bikes.
I'm 45/50kg but 170cm tall nothing heavy for me since Imma construction worker
I've ridden 450SR never once I said it's heavy, maybe u need to go hit the GYM
there is a 450CLC soon from cf moto.. a classic bike using 450sr engine
They need that engine in an adventure bike with a 400lb or less wet weight with cruise control. Till then ill keep my Aprilia Tuareg 😉
if you think cfmoto's alright, try the real buzz bike in their home market ---Kove's 450RR(4 cylinder).
Curious about how durable the motors are?
They are 'based' on KTM engines... whatever that means. Btw CFMoto assemble engines for KTM which could well explain why KTM reliability seems to be a bit hit or miss in the QC department. Higher than average gasket failures, coolant leaks etc etc just look on the KTM forums.
It wouldn't surprise me if they at least share some parts.
It might be $800 than a ninja but at least with the ninja I know reliability is more likely going to be very good... and it's resale value will also recoup most of that $800 compared to the CFMoto.
6:40 The drivetrain sounds very noisy when you get on and off the throttle.
It's truly a beautiful starter sports bike, has a ton of features too. Only downside is aftermarket options and the durability still isn't out.
There's tons of aftermarket stuff for this overseas and you can purchase them online. Including stock parts.
If you in the market for a sport bike and you are using your own money would buy this bike or a ninja 400?
As a person that's interested in purchasing a a 400 class motorcycle, my concerns are the following: 1) accessibility to services spare parts, 2) are the aforementioned parts interchangeable\compatible with KTM motorcycles?
How did your lower half feel compared to the ninja 400? I can’t find a 450ss near me and we’re basically the same size so your opinion will be valuable.
I'm the same size as spite, for me personally I enjoy the pegs and never found myself having to force my legs to meet them like I do on an r3, a ninja is a bit more upright but if you're over 6 ft the higher sets on the cfmoto don't make much of a difference, if you got thick legs the smaller rider triangle may be uncomfortable after a long straight ride but that's down to preference and what you're willing to trade off.
I have ridden almost all the cfmoto bikes now and have been simping on them all year lol. I just rode a bmw gs 1200 and the cfmoto ibex800 back to back and for a third the price you get everything the bmw has besides a shaft drive.
And I'd rather have a chain anyway, can't replace a drive shaft on the highway.
It's more aggressive below the belt but not uncomfortable. They have adjustable rear sets as an option
@@Ortisan_Official first off thanks for the input. I’m 6’4 235 pounds 34 inseam and I’m as beginner as they get. While I felt a lot more comfortable on bigger bikes, I plan to ride a 400 until I get all the fundamentals down. The ninja was 10x easier on my knees than the r3 lol. For now I’ll keep searching for a cf before I make a decision.
@@spitescorner i appreciate the response man. I’m new the the lifestyle so I didn’t think of that. I just researched rear sets for the ninja and think it’ll make the difference that I want. When I sat on the ninja 400 I wasn’t uncomfortable but I did feel like if my legs were an inch or 2 shorter it’d be perfect.
I'm seriously considering this ride, How is the power in 4th gear at highway speeds? I see that you stayed in 3rd gear most of the time...
My only complaint with this bike, is that if you finance it and need full coverage insurance, be ready to pay like 400+ per month. Only reason im going with a different bike lol
16:08 says he doesn’t use the clutch when up shifting and then proceeded to use the clutch lol
He was downshifting
Quick question: Is it possible to lower the rear suspension to accommodate a short rider? My daughter is 5'3". Her 2011 Ninja 250r I installed lowering links, it brought the seat down about 3 inches.
Did you get a answer for this question? I'm looking for a bike for my wife and she's 4.9