discovered your channel last night, watched a bunch of your videos already. just wanted to thank you for your no-nonsense, down-to-earth reviews. i was thinking of a CJ140 for a while but this video pushed me over to order a Skyliner today, the hardest part was choosing a color (i went with the pearl gray) and hopefully receive it before spring arrives. looking forward to more great content from you.
That's awesome, thank you for the support! So glad you got something out of our videos and I'm excited for you to try that Skyliner. I still love mine! Cheers.
Thanks Chase, for doing so many comparisons on canvas tents. The wife and I are car campers primarily here in New England but we do tend to camp later into the fall. We couldn't find it within ourselves to drop $3-5k conservatively on a bed in a box on wheels to tow behind our car so replacing/upgrading our old tent and Coleman buddy style heater was the option. I was looking for a smaller canvas well tent and happened to see your reviews. We opted for the Skyliner and large Woodlander and couldn't be happier. Much appreciated.
Sounds like you got a great setup! What a way to explore New England. I've never camped on your side of the country, but it's on my bucket list to do it in the Fall. Glad the videos were helpful.
Springbar otta give you commission on their sales, I started watching your vids when I first started thinking about getting a hot tent. I've always wanted the alaknak tent from Cabela's but I grew up with springbar tents and know theyre easy to set up one person better with two, where as the Cabela's is gonna struggle with one and even two people. Then I checked out the springbar store and I fell in love with the skyliner. Felt way bigger and American made is something I wanna support more of. After watching your videos I really thought the skyliner is a no brainer and bought it, gonna set it up today and season it and see how she goes.
Thank you so much for the top dimensions. I have the classic jack 140. I want to get 2 sets of Disc-o-beds and set them up on one side. I think the Skyliner would accommodate that set up.
Amazing review! Thanks for putting this video together. I used this video to help me decide between a Classic Jack 100 and Traveler. Took me weeks to decide as the traveler is double the price of the CJ. I ultimately went with the traveler based on your review because it’s made in the USA. I have a compact for solo trips but wanted something bigger and comfortable for when my wife and dog tag along.
Yes, but walk-around space would be limited. You'd likely have to place one against the far wall opposite the stove. Then 3 parallel to each other with heads or feet against the cot on the wall. Totally doable if you don't mind the coziness.
I would prefer purchasing something made in the U.S. if the quality is as good or better even if the price is a little higher. Since the Skyliner is made in The U.S. I was considering it but sorry $$2000+ was out of my price range especially after a close inspection of the CJ 140. I’m not a tent expert but I’ve slept in more than my share of tents and the CJ 140 is my favorite so far. The Skyliner is also well made with some nice added features but in my opinion it’s not worth another $1000. Yes, this tent is heavy but it’s a base camp type of tent and not a backpacking tent. The stitching, zippers and overall quality is similar to the Skyliner and as good or better than the top competitors. If you set up the Classic Jack alongside a Skyliner and maybe a Kodiak next to each other and left them out over a long period of time based on the quality I would say that they would all last a similar amount of time. I would guess the longest lasting would be the Skyliner but not by a lot and then the classic Jack and Kodiak in that order. If you took good care of all three tents they would probably outlast your tent camping lifespan. I went over my tent carefully and the stitching, zippers, floor, poles, etc, were all well designed and durable without any defects. Just be sure to lay a tarp underneath it after checking for sharp objects, dry it out properly after each use, reapply a good fabric protector every so often, and try to avoid setting it up in a spot where the summer sun is beating down on it from sun up to sundown and the Classic Jack 140 should last a lifetime even being made in China.
They are both treated with an anti-mold treatment as far as I know, though I believe that treatment might be slightly different. The canvas for the Classic Jack is finished in Asia whereas the canvas for the Skyliner is finished on Georgia, USA before being shipped to SLC, Utah to be cut and sewn into a tent. So the treatment is slightly different, but both should be mold resistant.
@@alexandrelabelle532 Nope, not yet! 🤞 I'm quite diligent about either packing them up totally dry at camp or taking them out at home to dry out. Plus I live in the Ard West where it's not as humid so I've had no issues with mold.
Thanks for all your great reviews! They really aided me in my decision in purchasing the CJ140 which will be here any day now! My question at this point is do you have a preferred stove now if both were large. Versatility, balance, etc. Looking to buy a large either nomad or woodlander. The nomad with leg extensions as I wondered if floor might get too hot (also might be able to stretch a cookie sheet across them!). Thanks again for all your advice and experiences with these products and your family camping. Cheers! 🍻
You are most welcome and thank you so much for watching my videos! I'm super excited for you and the CJ140. You're gonna love it! As far as stoves go, I definitely prefer the large size but the Nomad vs Woodlander pretty much comes down to which one you like the looks of more. I wouldn't worry about the nomad being too low and too close to the floor at all. As long as you have the fireproof mat down you'll be fine, I've done it in mine and you can even touch the ground below it with your hand. It's not that hot, no cookie sheet needed. The large Woodlander is taller which might be more convenient for cooking and the legs are spring loaded which is nice. Plus it looks super cool. So with whatever you think looks best and you'll be happy!
I am now just looking for a canvas tent. But i was wondering. I have moticed that some.people put down mats for the stove. Do i need some extra protection on the floor for a cot or cots? Thanks for your time.
Not necessarily for cots if it's got a thick sturdy floor like this one. Unless you lose a cap and the end of the cot leg is sharp or something, then I'd probably just set it on a little chunk of wood or a dinner plate or something laying around. But that's just me!
I am so torn. Really, the only reason I would choose a classic Jack 140 over the Skyliner is the big price difference. In your experience, is setting it up alone doable? For your wife? Meaning, a single female can set the tent (either one) up alone? Currently I own an Outfitter which is a lot smaller but very easy to put up. I am thinking the major difference is, dragging it from the car to the spot...and hoisting up the poles to rise the tent. Am I missing something? I want to figure this all out before camping season begins.
Yes, it is easy enough to set up for one person, man or woman. I've done it. My wife has done it. No biggie. It is a lot of weight to drag around, but that's split up among three bags - poles, stakes, tent. If money is a concern, get the CJ140. Great tent! If money isn't a concern, you really want to support American Made, and you like a few bonus features, the Skyliner is great. But either one will do the trick for most families.
@@theoutdoorempire Thanks! Truth is, I really want the biggie USA made and I think I will wait a few months to get that one. It seems the same amount of work for any of the tents...yeah the dragging from car to ground and putting back in car is probably biggest thing. Also more stakes, I actually find that to be the most time consuming and hardest part.
Doesn't water collect in the bow of the awning and tent body? Even with one side lowered for drainage, there always seems to be a sag right at the tents roof edge
A very astute observation! Yes, it will definitely collect in the awning if set up like normal. You can rig one corner lower and it helps but isn't perfect. And over time it can stretch the canvas to the point where it's unavoidable. EXCEPT on the Skyliner which has a grommet in the center as well so you can use one pole in the center of the awning, then guy out each corner to stakes in the ground making an "A" shape that sheds water beautifully. On the Classic Jack, I just roll up the awning when it's raining. But they are great when it's sunny and you want a shady spot to sit in your chair or set a cooler.
There seems to be some nice features the skyline for sure but I mean grommets and tabs aren’t hard to add and it’s a lot more affordable. My wife grew up hunting and camping in old army tents and I’m having a hard time convincing her this is different. We just sold our rooftop tent and I’m looking at the overlandish base camp also for fast deployment. This doesn’t seem to be too bad though. K ramble done.
The Skyliner tent is about $900 more than the Classic Jack 140. But the hot tent costs (stove, mat, flange, etc) is the same if not a little cheaper on the Skyliner because you don't have to buy the silver fire resistant stove jack panel separately like with the CJ. It's included with the Skyliner. The stoves are interchangeable so it just depends on the model you want. The large Nomad I have in the Skyliner in this video is more expensive than the medium Woodlander, but you could switch them out.
With the cj140 being compatible with storm fly and portico panels. Does that have any new influence on which you like more? Is the storm fly even needed?
Great question. I don't have the storm fly yet, but have thought about it. The portico panels are definitely interesting to some, though I don't think I'd really use them myself. I can see both of those options being attractive for long term camping or glamping situations. And I think Springbar is working on a StormFly for the Skyliner, but not sure. It's hard to go wrong with either and if you like those options then the CJ140 is probably the way to go because you could likely get all those things and the tent for the price of a Skyliner (or less maybe?).
One problem with the Skyliner ..... there is no rain fly. Why a rain fly? It's not just the extra rain protection. Let's consider the UV protection as well as shading the ceiling from the sun's rays keeping you cooler. With a rain fly you are carrying your own shade. Springbar..... Why not go all the way....????
Word has it, they'll make one soon. But I haven't ever used one with a canvas tent yet myself and been fine. I could see it being nice for long term installs.
Bonjour je suis de France jolie présentation de vôtre tente USA peut-on savoir le prix s'il vous plaies Mercie. sûr qu'elle site internet peut-on acheté cette tente Mercie
Merci beaucoup d'avoir regardé ! Si je ne me trompe pas, les tentes Springbar ne se vendent pas en France. Je crois qu'il n'y a pas de distributeur là-bas. Sinon ici aux US le prix de la Classic Jack 140 est de $1200 USD (1100 EUR) et la Skyliner environ $2100 (1900 EUR). Merci pour la visite de mon ancien pays de résidence !
Thanks for the feedback. While I may have missed that in this video, I do show it in a couple others. I know the Classic Jack packed up is in our Best Canvas Tents video. Then you can see more of the Skyliner in the dedicated review or the one where I was camping in the rain with it. Cheers.
Both of these tents are made by Springbar. It's just the Skyliner is made in the US and the Classic Jack they make in China. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?
Compare the Classic Jack to three more budget friendly canvas tents 👉 th-cam.com/video/qUGqyMbHs6M/w-d-xo.html
discovered your channel last night, watched a bunch of your videos already. just wanted to thank you for your no-nonsense, down-to-earth reviews. i was thinking of a CJ140 for a while but this video pushed me over to order a Skyliner today, the hardest part was choosing a color (i went with the pearl gray) and hopefully receive it before spring arrives. looking forward to more great content from you.
That's awesome, thank you for the support! So glad you got something out of our videos and I'm excited for you to try that Skyliner. I still love mine! Cheers.
Thanks Chase, for doing so many comparisons on canvas tents. The wife and I are car campers primarily here in New England but we do tend to camp later into the fall. We couldn't find it within ourselves to drop $3-5k conservatively on a bed in a box on wheels to tow behind our car so replacing/upgrading our old tent and Coleman buddy style heater was the option. I was looking for a smaller canvas well tent and happened to see your reviews. We opted for the Skyliner and large Woodlander and couldn't be happier. Much appreciated.
Sounds like you got a great setup! What a way to explore New England. I've never camped on your side of the country, but it's on my bucket list to do it in the Fall. Glad the videos were helpful.
might be the best review of a product ive ever seen lol. I had no questions unanswered.
Wow super happy to hear that! Thanks for watching.
My old Springbar just recently went through 30 mph winds and hail the size of marbles!
Nothing beats a Springbar!
Right on! I had 40mph gusts in the Skyliner and was a-ok.
Springbar otta give you commission on their sales, I started watching your vids when I first started thinking about getting a hot tent.
I've always wanted the alaknak tent from Cabela's but I grew up with springbar tents and know theyre easy to set up one person better with two, where as the Cabela's is gonna struggle with one and even two people.
Then I checked out the springbar store and I fell in love with the skyliner. Felt way bigger and American made is something I wanna support more of.
After watching your videos I really thought the skyliner is a no brainer and bought it, gonna set it up today and season it and see how she goes.
That's awesome! I'm glad the videos were helpful but even more glad you got an awesome tent. You're gonna love it. Have a great time!
Thank you so much for the top dimensions. I have the classic jack 140. I want to get 2 sets of Disc-o-beds and set them up on one side. I think the Skyliner would accommodate that set up.
Oh ya! I think it would and I like that idea a lot.
Amazing review! Thanks for putting this video together. I used this video to help me decide between a Classic Jack 100 and Traveler. Took me weeks to decide as the traveler is double the price of the CJ. I ultimately went with the traveler based on your review because it’s made in the USA. I have a compact for solo trips but wanted something bigger and comfortable for when my wife and dog tag along.
Great to hear! I'm sure you'll enjoy the Traveler. I appreciate the support. Cheers.
Great comparison video. I know the Skyliner has more space but I dont think it's $900 worth of space! You could almost buy another CJ 14 for that.
Very true!
Thank you! Solidified my decision for me!
Which way will you go?
Could you put 4 cots and a stove in the classic jack?
Yes, but walk-around space would be limited. You'd likely have to place one against the far wall opposite the stove. Then 3 parallel to each other with heads or feet against the cot on the wall. Totally doable if you don't mind the coziness.
@@theoutdoorempire thanks so much for the reply.
Excellent review, i think you found your calling in life, your just that talented with perfect sincerity.
Wow, thank you! I try to keep it honest. Take care.
I would prefer purchasing something made in the U.S. if the quality is as good or better even if the price is a little higher. Since the Skyliner is made in The U.S. I was considering it but sorry $$2000+ was out of my price range especially after a close inspection of the CJ 140. I’m not a tent expert but I’ve slept in more than my share of tents and the CJ 140 is my favorite so far. The Skyliner is also well made with some nice added features but in my opinion it’s not worth another $1000. Yes, this tent is heavy but it’s a base camp type of tent and not a backpacking tent. The stitching, zippers and overall quality is similar to the Skyliner and as good or better than the top competitors. If you set up the Classic Jack alongside a Skyliner and maybe a Kodiak next to each other and left them out over a long period of time based on the quality I would say that they would all last a similar amount of time. I would guess the longest lasting would be the Skyliner but not by a lot and then the classic Jack and Kodiak in that order. If you took good care of all three tents they would probably outlast your tent camping lifespan. I went over my tent carefully and the stitching, zippers, floor, poles, etc, were all well designed and durable without any defects. Just be sure to lay a tarp underneath it after checking for sharp objects, dry it out properly after each use, reapply a good fabric protector every so often, and try to avoid setting it up in a spot where the summer sun is beating down on it from sun up to sundown and the Classic Jack 140 should last a lifetime even being made in China.
Great summary and great advice. Thanks for sharing.
Great review again!! Are they the same compare to mold resistance?
They are both treated with an anti-mold treatment as far as I know, though I believe that treatment might be slightly different. The canvas for the Classic Jack is finished in Asia whereas the canvas for the Skyliner is finished on Georgia, USA before being shipped to SLC, Utah to be cut and sewn into a tent. So the treatment is slightly different, but both should be mold resistant.
Thank you! Have you ever had any problems with mold with your tent?
@@alexandrelabelle532 Nope, not yet! 🤞 I'm quite diligent about either packing them up totally dry at camp or taking them out at home to dry out. Plus I live in the Ard West where it's not as humid so I've had no issues with mold.
great video- very nicely done. thank you :)
Many thanks!
Thanks for all your great reviews! They really aided me in my decision in purchasing the CJ140 which will be here any day now! My question at this point is do you have a preferred stove now if both were large. Versatility, balance, etc. Looking to buy a large either nomad or woodlander. The nomad with leg extensions as I wondered if floor might get too hot (also might be able to stretch a cookie sheet across them!). Thanks again for all your advice and experiences with these products and your family camping. Cheers! 🍻
You are most welcome and thank you so much for watching my videos! I'm super excited for you and the CJ140. You're gonna love it! As far as stoves go, I definitely prefer the large size but the Nomad vs Woodlander pretty much comes down to which one you like the looks of more. I wouldn't worry about the nomad being too low and too close to the floor at all. As long as you have the fireproof mat down you'll be fine, I've done it in mine and you can even touch the ground below it with your hand. It's not that hot, no cookie sheet needed. The large Woodlander is taller which might be more convenient for cooking and the legs are spring loaded which is nice. Plus it looks super cool. So with whatever you think looks best and you'll be happy!
I am now just looking for a canvas tent. But i was wondering. I have moticed that some.people put down mats for the stove. Do i need some extra protection on the floor for a cot or cots? Thanks for your time.
Not necessarily for cots if it's got a thick sturdy floor like this one. Unless you lose a cap and the end of the cot leg is sharp or something, then I'd probably just set it on a little chunk of wood or a dinner plate or something laying around. But that's just me!
How about a comparison review of the springbar 2 man tent against the kodiak 2 man tent
Oooo, I like that idea thanks!
I am so torn. Really, the only reason I would choose a classic Jack 140 over the Skyliner is the big price difference. In your experience, is setting it up alone doable? For your wife? Meaning, a single female can set the tent (either one) up alone? Currently I own an Outfitter which is a lot smaller but very easy to put up. I am thinking the major difference is, dragging it from the car to the spot...and hoisting up the poles to rise the tent. Am I missing something? I want to figure this all out before camping season begins.
Yes, it is easy enough to set up for one person, man or woman. I've done it. My wife has done it. No biggie. It is a lot of weight to drag around, but that's split up among three bags - poles, stakes, tent. If money is a concern, get the CJ140. Great tent! If money isn't a concern, you really want to support American Made, and you like a few bonus features, the Skyliner is great. But either one will do the trick for most families.
@@theoutdoorempire Thanks! Truth is, I really want the biggie USA made and I think I will wait a few months to get that one. It seems the same amount of work for any of the tents...yeah the dragging from car to ground and putting back in car is probably biggest thing. Also more stakes, I actually find that to be the most time consuming and hardest part.
Doesn't water collect in the bow of the awning and tent body? Even with one side lowered for drainage, there always seems to be a sag right at the tents roof edge
A very astute observation! Yes, it will definitely collect in the awning if set up like normal. You can rig one corner lower and it helps but isn't perfect. And over time it can stretch the canvas to the point where it's unavoidable. EXCEPT on the Skyliner which has a grommet in the center as well so you can use one pole in the center of the awning, then guy out each corner to stakes in the ground making an "A" shape that sheds water beautifully. On the Classic Jack, I just roll up the awning when it's raining. But they are great when it's sunny and you want a shady spot to sit in your chair or set a cooler.
There seems to be some nice features the skyline for sure but I mean grommets and tabs aren’t hard to add and it’s a lot more affordable. My wife grew up hunting and camping in old army tents and I’m having a hard time convincing her this is different. We just sold our rooftop tent and I’m looking at the overlandish base camp also for fast deployment. This doesn’t seem to be too bad though. K ramble done.
how much
Most current pricing will be on their website but at the time of filming the CJ 140 was $1200 and the Skyliner was $2100.
And I'm pretty sure there is a Springbar distributor in Thailand. So you would want to contact them for local pricing.
Yes the sky liner hot tent package is about 900$ more than buying the other
The Skyliner tent is about $900 more than the Classic Jack 140. But the hot tent costs (stove, mat, flange, etc) is the same if not a little cheaper on the Skyliner because you don't have to buy the silver fire resistant stove jack panel separately like with the CJ. It's included with the Skyliner. The stoves are interchangeable so it just depends on the model you want. The large Nomad I have in the Skyliner in this video is more expensive than the medium Woodlander, but you could switch them out.
With the cj140 being compatible with storm fly and portico panels. Does that have any new influence on which you like more?
Is the storm fly even needed?
Great question. I don't have the storm fly yet, but have thought about it. The portico panels are definitely interesting to some, though I don't think I'd really use them myself. I can see both of those options being attractive for long term camping or glamping situations. And I think Springbar is working on a StormFly for the Skyliner, but not sure. It's hard to go wrong with either and if you like those options then the CJ140 is probably the way to go because you could likely get all those things and the tent for the price of a Skyliner (or less maybe?).
One problem with the Skyliner ..... there is no rain fly. Why a rain fly? It's not just the extra rain protection. Let's consider the UV protection as well as shading the ceiling from the sun's rays keeping you cooler. With a rain fly you are carrying your own shade.
Springbar..... Why not go all the way....????
Word has it, they'll make one soon. But I haven't ever used one with a canvas tent yet myself and been fine. I could see it being nice for long term installs.
@chrisbarclay4257 There is in fact a rainfly for the Skyliner.
YKK is a Japanese company, they do have a branch in the USA .
Too pricey for the American made one,
@8:50 prelatively, is that a new word?
I'm all about new words. 😂
Bonjour je suis de France jolie présentation de vôtre tente USA peut-on savoir le prix s'il vous plaies Mercie. sûr qu'elle site internet peut-on acheté cette tente Mercie
Merci beaucoup d'avoir regardé ! Si je ne me trompe pas, les tentes Springbar ne se vendent pas en France. Je crois qu'il n'y a pas de distributeur là-bas. Sinon ici aux US le prix de la Classic Jack 140 est de $1200 USD (1100 EUR) et la Skyliner environ $2100 (1900 EUR). Merci pour la visite de mon ancien pays de résidence !
Ahhh neither! RBM tents are much better
I'll check those out.
@@theoutdoorempire l love the UP-5 plenty of room
Sure .... If you like plastic tents and that clamy feeling they give. They won't even list the weights on their website - I wonder why?
Nice tents but so so Overpriced, kodiak canvas…will last in winds and for years just pack dry…
Thanks for sharing
i gave this vid a thumbs down for not showing how they appear in while still in there travel bags and the size
Thanks for the feedback. While I may have missed that in this video, I do show it in a couple others. I know the Classic Jack packed up is in our Best Canvas Tents video. Then you can see more of the Skyliner in the dedicated review or the one where I was camping in the rain with it. Cheers.
Your tent design is a rip off of the spring bar tent...
Both of these tents are made by Springbar. It's just the Skyliner is made in the US and the Classic Jack they make in China. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?