"Which I steadily began writing up into a book. But then I got distracted from the story by the worldbuilding, and then I got distracted from the worldbuilding by the conlanging." I relate way too much to these sentences.
18:48 If you can pause right there, there's a single frame of some kind of logo. Please be foreshadowing. And please more Refugium: this is even better than I had hoped. Edit: yep, it’s Aan
Yes. More refugium is DEFINITELY needed, would love to hear more about the Nhlogqwa- BTW are they racially distinct from the other groups or just an extension of one of the other races?
I think they are the same race/subspecies as the thireans and the people of Tsannur. Thirea is the only major landmass close to Nhlogqwa so I don't think its anything else. Also, I think if it were a distinct race/subspecies he would mention it like he mentioned for the other cases.
In the Ilothwii video, he mentioned that the Ilothwii language was suspected to share a very distant common ancestor with the Thirean languages Nekachti and Edun. This leads me to suspect these peoples are of common stock, but that they have probably formed a distinct population given the time since divergence and the geographical isolation of the islands.
Refugium? An interesting name, to say the least. I like it. I’d love to see what happens when they discover electricity and explore the shadow lands, it sounds really interesting.
They will found our that the rest of the planet is ded and they are in fact one planet drifting through void between galaxies, kept alive by the unexplainable energy source.
The amount of effort you put into this is just breathtaking, i could barely make one conlang, let alone an entire world of them. Its very inspiring . Ive been watching you for a while, and seeing an overview of everything is really appreciated! Thanks!
I believe that, if you get nothing else from Biblaridion's fantastic body of work so far, you should know that you CAN make a conlang, one that you are proud of and others will be interested in. All you need is a little thought, a lot of time, and some modicum of work, and you can take what you've learned here and make something that will inspire other would-be conlangers.
I personally realized that I have no particular interest in conlanging. Linguistic trivia is fascinating and seeing how stuff fits together is amazing, but what I'm into is the worldbuilding, so I focused on what I cared about rather than trying to do everything. So my world has one-dimensional languages that were generated by a script, but all of my effort goes into figuring out how the societies work and where they came from.
I know I’m 5 months late, but I noticed something this time I didn’t pick up on when first viewing this. On the volcano island, supposedly on the very edge of the world, perpetually shrouded in twilight, there are ruins. Many, many, ruins. Now the people that lived here a few thousand years in have developed ways to deal with the cold, but I’d say those who first colonised the islands wouldn’t have been able to survive, and certainly not thrive, in such a frigid environment. And certainly it wouldn’t be one of the first civilisations. So what’s going on here? Well here’s my crackpot theory. The people who first colonised the volcano islands thrived because it wasn’t cold, it was paradise. Once upon a time, those islands were warm, or at least warm enough to support decent civilisation. But it’s now began to grow colder. And colder. And colder. This leads to one, terrifying conclusion. The sun is _shrinking_
More ideas: -The sun is moving. -The sun has been reborn. (Sorta like the Aztec mythology concept of there being fives suns and therefore five ages.) Since there are the godlike essences, maybe as they each struggle for control, the world stops and restarts again? What about those things in the nightlands? Are they eldritch-godlike beings or are they just another part of what the essences control?
What if Aan is the most powerful essence bc it literally keeps the sun in place/from shrinking/from dying? It keeps the others in check by basically being undestroyable if you want anything to actually rule over after defeating it.
@@cometnight0 I love the idea of the sun moving. Imagine this whole thousands-year empire is built around worshiping the sun and sticking to their ancient traditions but then within like a month the sun has moved 2000km towards those dudes you don't like.
I hope later when they have better technology they go explore the dark lands. I really wanna see what’s in there. I think it could be done using flashlights and very insulated suits akin to our space suits that we use, just minus the oxygen tanks and probably colored black instead of white to attract more heat. I’d also bring weapons in case those silhouettes of beasts that you mention weren’t fairytales. And of course, a lot of food.
17:45 "Many say that staring into the darkness for too long will drive one mad" If it does actually drive one mad, you can't really do anything to go there, there's probably something very powerful you don't want to see. I'm interested to see how scary the darkness could be.
Wow. I’ve literally never considered a world like this. With different physical mechanisms to create reality. Most fictional worlds are boring compared to this. It’s genuinely incredible.
Reminds me of a world of mine from when I was 12 that's on the inside, rather than outside, of a giant sphere, with the sun (actually the corpse of a god, slowly decomposing and going black) in the middle. I should do something with that.
Thandian was kinda the oldest iteration of Edun. notice how “Tsann(ur)” and “Thand” line up, and how langs like Ilothwii were made soon after the abandoning of Thandian
So I'm guessing shadows in this world would be somewhat unusual (outside the obvious Shadow Lands’ “shadows”), since shadows cast by the sun would be more or less permanent. I wonder what sort of unusual flora/fauna might develop within the larger areas of shadow cast by mountains, or canyons or other large features. I also wonder if reflecting light would play a large role in the lives of the world’s people. Since the light from the sun is unmoving, you could easily set up any type of polished surface to reflect the sunlight towards a specific spot, and it wouldn't waiver or need adjusting (during the day obviously). Shutters and other simple mechanisms could be used to suddenly light, or darken, areas. The layout of buildings could be altered if natural light could be artificially directed into normally dark interiors; I can especially see religions utilizing reflected light for dramatic effect within their architecture or rituals. Things like solar ovens, water heater, etc. could be set up and would have a permanent, consistent, and easy to scale output. Long range communication systems could be set up relatively easily using focused light bounced from one reflected surface stationed at towers or some similar type of relays. I am absolutely not any sort of expert on light, or optics or anything related to this, so I will leave it there. I am worried I might be missing some obvious issues that make all of these concepts untenable, but my mind immediately ran away with ideas about this, and I wanted to at least mention them. One final thought: Since every "night" is essentially an eclipse, I wonder if the people of the world would give any special significance to those odd, crescent-shaped shadows that things like trees, and any other variation of a pinhole, cast right before and after totality. Or, would they just be considered completely normal, and treated as nothing more fantastic than an indicator for when night is approaching? Either way, I assume the people in the areas that experience the eclipses would have unique words for them, and they would likely feature in poetry and various sayings/idioms. Sorry if that is a bit of a ramble. I felt the need to write this all down quickly before the concepts could get away from me. I just love these types of what-if worldbuilding concepts. Great vid Bib!
This is a very underrated comment, & is indicative of the kinds of imaginative consequential worldbuilding that Bib should incorporate into the Refugium, if he hasn't already.
Absolute banger comment wtf Ever see those solar furances where they get all the light from a massive french hill and put it into one little spot? Imagine that but it was built in like ancient china for some cool reason im not creative enough to think of
2:51 if, hypothetically, someone were to scour the umbral plains, seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him, would those that tasted the bite of his sword call him anything in particular?
I'm really interested in this world now. Especially the eeriness of the dark lands and the "enormous ineffable things" that roam there. What's past these giant sheets of ice in the oceans? As mankind progresses, they would discover more and more about these fringe lands. It's all so interesting I'm really hoping to see more of this
Will you ever talk about how lexical stress can move from one syllable to another? Like how proto-Germanic had a sound change that moved stress to the first syllable of the root of the word, or how stress was moved from the final to the penultimate syllable in Cornish during the eleventh century
The case with Proto-Germanic is just an example of leveling. In other words, in Pre-Proto-Germanic stress was unpredictable and had to be “memorized” for every word and created meaningful distinctions, whereas by Proto-Germanic it had become predictable and non-distinguishing.
Astounding. The description of the dark region alone gave me chills. You translated a maritime ecosystem into a terrestrial one, with light gradually disappearing not with depth but distance. I'm wondering if bioluminescent animals could live at its border, sustaining themselves by "what enters their realm", sorta like abyssal creatures does into Earth's seas.
Theoretically if there is one sun then there may be more. I would like to believe that there are more oasis's of life far out in the darkness. makes me want to borrow your idea and make a sister "world" using the same mechanics as yours. of course i would need your permission. :)
Do get inspired, but do not copy the idea. I've found it very enriching to take a general idea or mechanics and ponder about its possible variations I could use in my worldbuilding. That way I'm not copying anyone's ideas, but rather making myself discover entirely new things!
Headcanon: this world used to be a futuristic planet, spherical and everything (not earth). Then everything collapsed when their sun died. The remaining geniuses built an artificial sun over tsannur that only shines in a 6000 km radius. They also built moons for day/night cycle. A long time passed and humans started over. Nobody of the present knows any of the “sun dying” story. Edit: grammar
Neat. I particularly dig your cosmological structure of multiple moons passing intricately between the land and sun in a manner that feels constructed, like the workings of a machine.
I don't know much English, so I'm sorry. Biblaridion, you are a very good author and Creator of worlds. With your brilliant imagination, you can write books. So I'll be waiting for a book on this world. I liked everything about this world: the very concept of having a shelter that is illuminated by the sun. And these five main ones and one far moon are brilliant. By the way, it reminded me of Atlantis (this was a cartoon) I also liked the concept of the animal world from extinct animals: Andrews, halicoteri, Trilobites (for which a separate like). I also liked the animals you made up: Flying spiders, seal-like animals, and beautiful flightless bats. I will wait for the next videos on Refugium, especially about its animal world and the geography of the no written lands. Continue at the same pace and you will succeed. Definitely like it.
I've been watching your Alien Biospheres videos. I'm really glad I checked this video out though, it's absolutely fascinating. I'd love to hear more about it
Bravo a thousand times over!!! I cannot explain how incredibly inspiring and immersive this was. Every aspect of the world was beautifully fleshed out and explained. I mean come on, I've never cared for anthropology or weather systems/topography in my life but now you've got me invested in those aspects of your world. In my mind, it all feels real. Honestly I wish it was (it would be darn cool to have labyrinthodonts and terror birds alive again). You do amazing work as always. I look forward to hopefully reading any sort of book or lore of this in the future!
"But then I got distracted from the story by the worldbuilding" Same, same. Finished my novel's second draft just an hour ago after five years passed just writing, deleting, rewriting, redeleting and re-rewriting the worldbuilding :-D
And you'll also hate that it is hypothetically possible for them to exist in real life _i am sorry for having to bring that up to your information table_
@@alostalex7449 a number of spiders have bodies that can function similar to parachutes or sailing, so that they can glide in the wind or fall gracefully from heights. This is how golden orb weavers migrate.
Calling it now, the Sun moved a long time ago, which made civilization collapse, that's why Nhlogqwa is the oldest human settlement, that's why they had writing before everyone else, and why they lost it, and someday the sun will move again
My world is also roughly circular and flat with a central star, has an alternate biosphere somewhat, and is season-less with a sun-worshipping imperialist human empire! Ours are different enough that I don't feel the need to scrap anything, but man, it's weird how completely different people can come up with such similar stuff. Loved this, really hope to see more Refugium!
I decided to use your world for some math practice, so here are some extra facts about your world, with a few assumptions. Under the assumption that your world is completely flat and that the Sun is exactly 100 m across, the (centers of the) five inner moons are located 978.94 km above the ground and are orbiting the point 21.06 km below the Sun at a distance of 38.74 km. That way the umbra of the shadow will start exactly at 1000 km from the subsolar point and end exactly 4500 km from it. Another interesting thing is that, the umbral cone of the shadow is 35.6° wide at it's widest, which should be cast at the distance of 1840 km from the subsolar point. At that radial distance, the totally dark part of the night should last for 12.34 hours and should become shorter and shorter in both directions reaching 0 at 1000 km and 4500 km. Another weird thing is that since the Sun doesn't move, the only thing that determines the brightness is whether or not the Sun is covered by a moon. Since the penumbral cone is not much wider than the umbral one, at 1840 km, the time between maximum brightness and total pitch black darkness should be about 6 minutes.
" There are some things i cannot talk about yet" Me: Hmm... My gamer senses are tingling... *quick flash of the flag* *rewinds, and on minimal speed tries to stop on the map, but cannot* Ok, so flag if i seen it properly is green circkle on a white background with golden cros with ring around it center.
I seriously want there to be a series about exploring the unknown parts of Refugium, like what's in the dark area? Or what are those moons supported by? These are burning questions that just NEED to be answered.
I would love to see something like Feature Focus but for the social aspects of language, like "Feature Focus: Standard/Prestige Varieties" or "Feature Focus: Dialectal Variation".
This is fantastic! I'd love to have some more detailed explorations of this setting. And of course, I can't help but confess that I'm crossing my fingers that eventually Alien Biospheres will progress to similar discussions of grand civilizational exploration and conflict.
"The only refuge for the inhabitants in the midst of an otherwise forbidding, unknowable void, a tiny speck of light and life in a vast oppressive, all-encompassing cosmic darkness." Okay, I can definitely see why you would worship the sun.
Wow, this is so damn interesting. Both the concept of the world and cultures in it seem SO unique and exciting. I really wish to learn more about this.
This was one of the most fantastic, well thought out videos I have ever seen! I am super looking forward to whats coming! Loved the detail in all your alien biosphere videos as well even if the creatures are pure nightmare fuel
and that is exactly why i stay the hell away from conlanging, it's so amazing that if you walk into it you will never write another story. it consumes you wholesome...
It would be interesting to hear about people who live on the other side of mountains. They must be in a constant night-like environment from the shadow cast from the mountains.
I expected a round world with a small, yellow sun, this was an extremely unexpected twist😂 But it was really interesting and actually quite inspiring for my own projects
Wow. I can show nothing but praise for your amazing skill, dedication, craftsmanship, and investment in this project. Truly inspiring. Yes, we would love to see more of these kinds of videos, even if they are far apart and less detailed than this one. If you ever do write that book, you can be sure we'll buy it. Keep on going great.
Are we all just going to ignore that right at the start he literally says that something happened to the entire populace? And then proceeds to constantly refer to every civilisation in the past tense.
5:39 There have actually been flightless bats but they didn't last long and went extinct pretty early after starting to exist (according to the fossil record which isn't very good) Edit: They did still have wings however the were just too big to fly unlike the ones in this video which just had no wings
this world concept and the way you dived wholeheartedly into the eldritch horror of the dark lands is the sickest shit ive ever heard. i am obsessed with the concept of the eternal night lands
Hmm, I can't help but wonder as to what the origins of this world might be. It's hard to say for certain, but the way the outer moon orbits in a perfect whole-number ratio to the orbits of the inner moons suggests this world (or at least this particular part of it) was engineered and not formed through entirely natural means. But who knows? Do the gods really inhabit this world, or are they a force beyond it? Either way, I can imagine it would be trivially easy for the people to design a calendar system with exactly 360 days, and 72 'weeks' consisting of 5 days each. I suppose then the *real* question is: what counting system would they predominantly use? The 360-day year favours base 12, whereas the 5-day week favours base 10.
maybe the world was created by an ancient human civilization as a safe heaven before the entire universe was engulfed by the eldrtich gods (because lets be sincere, the darkness is obviously inhabited by those beings)
Imagine if the magical "sun" used to be larger, or there used to be more "suns". Thus there would be tons of civilizations in the shadow lands, untouched, broken and frozen in time.
I think the sun being larger or brighter is literally what is happening and the story is that the sun is dimming so they need to either make it brighter or survive in the night lands.
Not only is this intensely fascinating, but it goes to show how differently a world that is flat would behave from ours. It can sometimes seem quite similar (hence all the flat-earthers) but it is undeniably a different beast altogether. If someone tried to claim the world was round within the Refugium, they'd rightly be laughed out of town, banished to live outside of their magical sun's influence, probably.
imagine it is, and there are several more suns scattered about the world. it would make sense. light doesn't just "fade" it could very well be disappearing off of the horizon.
Just did the math, this would have a surface area of ~314,159,265 square kilometers, and earth has a surface area of ~510,100,000 kilometers, meaning this would only be about 3/5 the size of earth.
I am no intoxicatingly fascinated by the dark lands and the "things" that dwell within them. Please, I need more of the Refugium. Give me all of the cosmic horror
I'm sure you've already worked this out, but given how much closer the center of the world is to the sun compared to the outer regions, it seems like the temperature differential should be much greater than we see. If it's 1000 km above ground level at the center, and the outer regions are like 5000 km out, then the inverse-square law means the sunlight, and thus the thermal energy input, should be just 26 times more intense at the center than at the edge of the outer regions! Intuitively, it seems like that should either make the center an absolute furnace, or else make the outer regions utterly frozen.
@@Nemo_Anom or that their perception of temperature differential and light differential is skewed. Standard room temperature would probably seem like a frozen wasteland to them, that or the light isn't as intense.
My Refugium inspired alternate universe, The Expanse: The Expanse is a world similar in many regards to The Refugium (flat world, 1 sun, 5 moons, no stars, umbral region) but the lines between gas, liquid, and the vacuum of space is very thin leading to a breathable atmosphere and space that you can swim through. All life inhabiting The Expanse possess a 4-part diagonal jaw structure (4 jaws which open diagonally), 2 antennae like structures used for both hearing and gas exchange (basically gill ears), 4 camera style eyes, 2 limbs, and a tail. The sky is separated into 3 zones which get darker the further up you go; these zones share the same names as the ocean zones on Earth. The Expanse possesses 2 sapient Genus's which both possess 2 limbs similar to those of a Pterodactyl (but with a thumb), a mudskipper like walking gait (except the tail is used in walking), and a prehensile tail which works in place of a hand (possessing a flat end split in 2 which can curl around objects to grab them).
No life on earth exists in the expanse, and all bird like clades are replaced by clades more adapted for swimming on Earth due to the nearly non existent line between liquid, gas, and vacuum.
The 2 intelligent genus's of the refugium have reached a level of advancement seen during the 1970's on Earth yet have advanced socially and culturally several millennia beyond humanity as we know it today.
The 2 Genus's (which I will now be calling the Ketzu) communicate through a series of clicks, whistles, howls, coos, kraas, and even licks (albeit only as a display of affection).
The Ketzu evolved on Ka'Tzu (a Taiga Island continent the size of Antarctica) from flying ancestors who often dropped stones on their ground dwelling prey to hunt.
The Expanse possesses a habitable range of about 9 Earths in diameter with all other regions being only inhabited by protocells around Hydrothermal vents (which have remained the same due to their simplicity and environment preventing any changes).
I don't know what that symbol is but I'm impressed that my pause game was good enough to catch the frame on my first attempt. Green circle, symbol in the middle. lower half is like a circle with a T overlapping it. It connects with the upper half that's a horizontal line and three vertical lines the middle one is longer than the other two.
The way he says “the K’ama” cracks me up way more than it probably should 😆 No but seriously, this is a very compelling project and I hope we get to see more of it someday 🙌
"Which I steadily began writing up into a book.
But then I got distracted from the story by the worldbuilding,
and then I got distracted from the worldbuilding by the conlanging."
I relate way too much to these sentences.
I also relate to this because I get distracted from everything by anything
This move is called the Tolkien
Reverse Tolkien
Big fat mood
I felt a sharp pain in my soul hearing that
Honestly if he were to continue his alien biospheres series into sapience and make a history like this world's i would honestly just die from joy
Agreed
Please yes!
I'd love to see him come up with some languages for them too
@@oogaboogabe3464 oh yes that would also be incredible!
I just assumed that's what he was doing.
"Flying spiders" man are you trying to create Australia or something?
animals in the alien biospheres series eh.
@@Sci0927 No, he mentioned it in this video.
@@fomalhaut_the_great I think he meant that animals in the Biosphere series are more Australianesque, as the bigger animals look like giant spiders
Man, there are fucking armored bear-trap-mouthed fish.
It is worse than Australia😰
From the creator of the squid faced elephants and mandible jawed spider-horses of the alien biosphere: Flying spiders.
18:48 If you can pause right there, there's a single frame of some kind of logo.
Please be foreshadowing. And please more Refugium: this is even better than I had hoped.
Edit: yep, it’s Aan
Lol I noticed it earlier but I thought it was an editing mistake. I managed to stop it right were it shows the logo. Looks really strange tbh
I thought I missed a video or something cause I don't recognize this logo, hope it's foreshadowing
Oh it most definetly is foreshadowing
I can't wait to see what it means.
@h I'm on mobile :,(
Yes. More refugium is DEFINITELY needed, would love to hear more about the Nhlogqwa- BTW are they racially distinct from the other groups or just an extension of one of the other races?
They are the speakers of Ilothwii
I think they are the same race/subspecies as the thireans and the people of Tsannur. Thirea is the only major landmass close to Nhlogqwa so I don't think its anything else. Also, I think if it were a distinct race/subspecies he would mention it like he mentioned for the other cases.
In the Ilothwii video, he mentioned that the Ilothwii language was suspected to share a very distant common ancestor with the Thirean languages Nekachti and Edun. This leads me to suspect these peoples are of common stock, but that they have probably formed a distinct population given the time since divergence and the geographical isolation of the islands.
Tsannur:Collapse 6 times
China:Those are rookie numbers
I had flashbacks to History of the entire world I guess as soon as he mentioned that
France: are you challenging me?
“China is whole again!”
“Then it broke again!”
Albania?
Refugium? An interesting name, to say the least. I like it.
I’d love to see what happens when they discover electricity and explore the shadow lands, it sounds really interesting.
Or lava flows, or glowing orbs of light due to chemical and pressure differences. They don't really need to harness electricity like we did.
The sun is also inherently magical but the people don't seem to have magical tools or spells so I'm curious about this too
They will found our that the rest of the planet is ded and they are in fact one planet drifting through void between galaxies, kept alive by the unexplainable energy source.
@@dandanthedandan7558 sounds like it's not their design. And the whole world sounds like science experiment of some sort. I like it.
Yeah like the thermal vents but on land or even other suns
The amount of effort you put into this is just breathtaking, i could barely make one conlang, let alone an entire world of them. Its very inspiring . Ive been watching you for a while, and seeing an overview of everything is really appreciated! Thanks!
I believe that, if you get nothing else from Biblaridion's fantastic body of work so far, you should know that you CAN make a conlang, one that you are proud of and others will be interested in. All you need is a little thought, a lot of time, and some modicum of work, and you can take what you've learned here and make something that will inspire other would-be conlangers.
I personally realized that I have no particular interest in conlanging. Linguistic trivia is fascinating and seeing how stuff fits together is amazing, but what I'm into is the worldbuilding, so I focused on what I cared about rather than trying to do everything. So my world has one-dimensional languages that were generated by a script, but all of my effort goes into figuring out how the societies work and where they came from.
I know I’m 5 months late, but I noticed something this time I didn’t pick up on when first viewing this.
On the volcano island, supposedly on the very edge of the world, perpetually shrouded in twilight, there are ruins. Many, many, ruins. Now the people that lived here a few thousand years in have developed ways to deal with the cold, but I’d say those who first colonised the islands wouldn’t have been able to survive, and certainly not thrive, in such a frigid environment. And certainly it wouldn’t be one of the first civilisations.
So what’s going on here? Well here’s my crackpot theory. The people who first colonised the volcano islands thrived because it wasn’t cold, it was paradise. Once upon a time, those islands were warm, or at least warm enough to support decent civilisation. But it’s now began to grow colder. And colder. And colder.
This leads to one, terrifying conclusion. The sun is _shrinking_
This is a very scary conclusion, but at the same time makes complete sense.
More ideas:
-The sun is moving.
-The sun has been reborn. (Sorta like the Aztec mythology concept of there being fives suns and therefore five ages.)
Since there are the godlike essences, maybe as they each struggle for control, the world stops and restarts again? What about those things in the nightlands? Are they eldritch-godlike beings or are they just another part of what the essences control?
What if Aan is the most powerful essence bc it literally keeps the sun in place/from shrinking/from dying? It keeps the others in check by basically being undestroyable if you want anything to actually rule over after defeating it.
@@cometnight0 I love the idea of the sun moving. Imagine this whole thousands-year empire is built around worshiping the sun and sticking to their ancient traditions but then within like a month the sun has moved 2000km towards those dudes you don't like.
I hope later when they have better technology they go explore the dark lands. I really wanna see what’s in there. I think it could be done using flashlights and very insulated suits akin to our space suits that we use, just minus the oxygen tanks and probably colored black instead of white to attract more heat. I’d also bring weapons in case those silhouettes of beasts that you mention weren’t fairytales. And of course, a lot of food.
A lot of food and a lot of fuel
@@penfelyn Yeah, fuel too.
17:45
"Many say that staring into the darkness for too long will drive one mad"
If it does actually drive one mad, you can't really do anything to go there, there's probably something very powerful you don't want to see.
I'm interested to see how scary the darkness could be.
@@aeaeeaoiauea Considering Biblaridion’s universes are usually science based, I feel like the going mad part might be a fairytale.
@@mosterchife6045 Yeah, true.
Wow. I’ve literally never considered a world like this. With different physical mechanisms to create reality. Most fictional worlds are boring compared to this. It’s genuinely incredible.
Reminds me of a world of mine from when I was 12 that's on the inside, rather than outside, of a giant sphere, with the sun (actually the corpse of a god, slowly decomposing and going black) in the middle. I should do something with that.
@@thegreatdream8427 good idea. These worlds are fascinating. My love is history. Fictional history can be just as compelling.
You should check out Worldbuilding Notes, she has a lot of worlds with interesting physical mechanisms!
This looks promising...
Agreed
@@isaiahsalesin6985 triple agreed
@@vulcariusrex quadruple agreed
Heptuple agreed, or is it septuple? I forgot honestly
Octuple agreed
"Due to certain events" ominous
*Diana Cavendish profile pic*
ah, a fellow conlang weeb
little do we know it’s just climate change
@@jslice6137 lmao
I like to imagine they managed to get up to the sun and somehow managed to blow it up thus freezing over the refugium and killing everyone
@@Pharry_ Tower of Babel: USA Edition
"things from the outer darkness" sounds staight up lovecraftian
if it were up to lovecraft, the "things" would probably just be some K'ama people
@Daniel Marinho Hey, do you happen to know the name of Lovecraft's cat?
@@Flowtail painfully true
@@kasane1337 the cat that lives in Paris
"Home to all except one of my conlangs" hmm, I wonder which...;p
Little does he know that the gods who built this world spoke Thandian. And for that reason alone, their speech is not decipherable by us mere mortals.
It might be the one he’s currently making a series about
@@adridaplague-boi it definitely is that one, he said it in one of his videos iirc
Thandian was kinda the oldest iteration of Edun. notice how “Tsann(ur)” and “Thand” line up, and how langs like Ilothwii were made soon after the abandoning of Thandian
that doesn't include discontinued and scrapped projects tho
So I'm guessing shadows in this world would be somewhat unusual (outside the obvious Shadow Lands’ “shadows”), since shadows cast by the sun would be more or less permanent. I wonder what sort of unusual flora/fauna might develop within the larger areas of shadow cast by mountains, or canyons or other large features.
I also wonder if reflecting light would play a large role in the lives of the world’s people. Since the light from the sun is unmoving, you could easily set up any type of polished surface to reflect the sunlight towards a specific spot, and it wouldn't waiver or need adjusting (during the day obviously). Shutters and other simple mechanisms could be used to suddenly light, or darken, areas. The layout of buildings could be altered if natural light could be artificially directed into normally dark interiors; I can especially see religions utilizing reflected light for dramatic effect within their architecture or rituals. Things like solar ovens, water heater, etc. could be set up and would have a permanent, consistent, and easy to scale output. Long range communication systems could be set up relatively easily using focused light bounced from one reflected surface stationed at towers or some similar type of relays. I am absolutely not any sort of expert on light, or optics or anything related to this, so I will leave it there. I am worried I might be missing some obvious issues that make all of these concepts untenable, but my mind immediately ran away with ideas about this, and I wanted to at least mention them.
One final thought:
Since every "night" is essentially an eclipse, I wonder if the people of the world would give any special significance to those odd, crescent-shaped shadows that things like trees, and any other variation of a pinhole, cast right before and after totality. Or, would they just be considered completely normal, and treated as nothing more fantastic than an indicator for when night is approaching? Either way, I assume the people in the areas that experience the eclipses would have unique words for them, and they would likely feature in poetry and various sayings/idioms.
Sorry if that is a bit of a ramble. I felt the need to write this all down quickly before the concepts could get away from me. I just love these types of what-if worldbuilding concepts. Great vid Bib!
This is a very underrated comment, & is indicative of the kinds of imaginative consequential worldbuilding that Bib should incorporate into the Refugium, if he hasn't already.
Absolute banger comment wtf
Ever see those solar furances where they get all the light from a massive french hill and put it into one little spot? Imagine that but it was built in like ancient china for some cool reason im not creative enough to think of
Mapping vids in 2019: "Germany in a nutshell" "Italy vs. Poland" "Alternate future of Europe"
Mapping vids in 2020:
Вижу, вы человек изысканного вкуса🧐
is it really mapping tho
Oh, a biblwatcher with a russian name. I thought that I won't find any beside of me
@@penfelyn да я тоже в шоке)
@@penfelyn a what?
When you make a sentient/sapient species on your alien planet you should make a language for them too
Yeahhhh
Yes but knowing the species currently around, it's going to be those damn tree spiders that evolve language
@@johnroach9026 maybe, but I would love to see an aquatic species evolve sentience.
*Languages
What makes you think Bib hasn't?
2:51 if, hypothetically, someone were to scour the umbral plains, seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him, would those that tasted the bite of his sword call him anything in particular?
@Ezh__ Its a Doom reference lol
tHe dOOm SlaYeR *doot*
The Gloom Slayer
This feels like an obvious reference to something that I don’t get
I'm really interested in this world now. Especially the eeriness of the dark lands and the "enormous ineffable things" that roam there. What's past these giant sheets of ice in the oceans? As mankind progresses, they would discover more and more about these fringe lands. It's all so interesting I'm really hoping to see more of this
They would explore the dark lands in a similar fashion to our world humans exploring outer space.
Will you ever talk about how lexical stress can move from one syllable to another? Like how proto-Germanic had a sound change that moved stress to the first syllable of the root of the word, or how stress was moved from the final to the penultimate syllable in Cornish during the eleventh century
Sometimes is just... happens
The case with Proto-Germanic is just an example of leveling. In other words, in Pre-Proto-Germanic stress was unpredictable and had to be “memorized” for every word and created meaningful distinctions, whereas by Proto-Germanic it had become predictable and non-distinguishing.
In Proto-Germanic's case, it was because the distinction between PIE "accented" and "unaccented" syllables was destroyed and replaced
18:47 flashy flashy
Astounding. The description of the dark region alone gave me chills. You translated a maritime ecosystem into a terrestrial one, with light gradually disappearing not with depth but distance. I'm wondering if bioluminescent animals could live at its border, sustaining themselves by "what enters their realm", sorta like abyssal creatures does into Earth's seas.
I 100% would love to see more content on the Refugium. Running a table top game in this setting sounds like tremendous fun.
I never clicked on anything this fast in my life
Neither have I
Same
Same
I feel you brother
YESSSS
The Night Lands are so eerie! Legitimately terrifying! Well done!
Theoretically if there is one sun then there may be more. I would like to believe that there are more oasis's of life far out in the darkness. makes me want to borrow your idea and make a sister "world" using the same mechanics as yours. of course i would need your permission. :)
Do get inspired, but do not copy the idea. I've found it very enriching to take a general idea or mechanics and ponder about its possible variations I could use in my worldbuilding. That way I'm not copying anyone's ideas, but rather making myself discover entirely new things!
Tbh it sounds like this man could make a book out of this idea. I'm not too sure if you should go around copying it too much.
@@lordxperimental6960 it wouldn’t be copying it would be using similar world mechanics
@@kebi7792 it wouldn’t be copying per say it would be similars world mechanics.
@@MapIeJam I know those are your intentions, and it's okay to do it unless you go full on public like Mr Bibliaridion over here.
Headcanon: this world used to be a futuristic planet, spherical and everything (not earth). Then everything collapsed when their sun died. The remaining geniuses built an artificial sun over tsannur that only shines in a 6000 km radius. They also built moons for day/night cycle. A long time passed and humans started over. Nobody of the present knows any of the “sun dying” story.
Edit: grammar
I absolutely love this world. Such a creative premise that would serve for so many great stories.
Neat. I particularly dig your cosmological structure of multiple moons passing intricately between the land and sun in a manner that feels constructed, like the workings of a machine.
No one:
Biblaridion, describing his concultures:
S O P H I S T I C A T E D
They are all sosphisticated except for people that may live in that huge deserr
I don't know much English, so I'm sorry.
Biblaridion, you are a very good author and Creator of worlds. With your brilliant imagination, you can write books. So I'll be waiting for a book on this world.
I liked everything about this world: the very concept of having a shelter that is illuminated by the sun. And these five main ones and one far moon are brilliant. By the way, it reminded me of Atlantis (this was a cartoon)
I also liked the concept of the animal world from extinct animals: Andrews, halicoteri, Trilobites (for which a separate like). I also liked the animals you made up: Flying spiders, seal-like animals, and beautiful flightless bats.
I will wait for the next videos on Refugium, especially about its animal world and the geography of the no written lands.
Continue at the same pace and you will succeed. Definitely like it.
О я тебя видел на переводе от хамибина
@@uzer12345 да
I've been watching your Alien Biospheres videos. I'm really glad I checked this video out though, it's absolutely fascinating. I'd love to hear more about it
Bravo a thousand times over!!! I cannot explain how incredibly inspiring and immersive this was. Every aspect of the world was beautifully fleshed out and explained. I mean come on, I've never cared for anthropology or weather systems/topography in my life but now you've got me invested in those aspects of your world. In my mind, it all feels real. Honestly I wish it was (it would be darn cool to have labyrinthodonts and terror birds alive again). You do amazing work as always. I look forward to hopefully reading any sort of book or lore of this in the future!
"But then I got distracted from the story by the worldbuilding"
Same, same. Finished my novel's second draft just an hour ago after five years passed just writing, deleting, rewriting, redeleting and re-rewriting the worldbuilding :-D
5:48 ".... flying spiders...."
Thanks, I hate it.
he had a glyph for flying spider in one of his conlangs. now it makes sense.
And you'll also hate that it is hypothetically possible for them to exist in real life
_i am sorry for having to bring that up to your information table_
@@alostalex7449 a number of spiders have bodies that can function similar to parachutes or sailing, so that they can glide in the wind or fall gracefully from heights. This is how golden orb weavers migrate.
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At least how I think it is pronounced.
@@azechase6597 huh, good to know
Calling it now, the Sun moved a long time ago, which made civilization collapse, that's why Nhlogqwa is the oldest human settlement, that's why they had writing before everyone else, and why they lost it, and someday the sun will move again
My world is also roughly circular and flat with a central star, has an alternate biosphere somewhat, and is season-less with a sun-worshipping imperialist human empire! Ours are different enough that I don't feel the need to scrap anything, but man, it's weird how completely different people can come up with such similar stuff. Loved this, really hope to see more Refugium!
Biblaridon be posting really good content ngl doe😳
Been waiting for this ever since you mentioned it. Good work bib!
I decided to use your world for some math practice, so here are some extra facts about your world, with a few assumptions.
Under the assumption that your world is completely flat and that the Sun is exactly 100 m across, the (centers of the) five inner moons are located 978.94 km above the ground and are orbiting the point 21.06 km below the Sun at a distance of 38.74 km. That way the umbra of the shadow will start exactly at 1000 km from the subsolar point and end exactly 4500 km from it.
Another interesting thing is that, the umbral cone of the shadow is 35.6° wide at it's widest, which should be cast at the distance of 1840 km from the subsolar point. At that radial distance, the totally dark part of the night should last for 12.34 hours and should become shorter and shorter in both directions reaching 0 at 1000 km and 4500 km.
Another weird thing is that since the Sun doesn't move, the only thing that determines the brightness is whether or not the Sun is covered by a moon. Since the penumbral cone is not much wider than the umbral one, at 1840 km, the time between maximum brightness and total pitch black darkness should be about 6 minutes.
Amazing
" There are some things i cannot talk about yet"
Me: Hmm... My gamer senses are tingling...
*quick flash of the flag*
*rewinds, and on minimal speed tries to stop on the map, but cannot*
Ok, so flag if i seen it properly is green circkle on a white background with golden cros with ring around it center.
*Presents extremely unusual and magical cosmology*
Yo I'd like to live there
*"Flying spiders"*
Never mind
I SAW THIS AND GOT SO HAPPY
I like how Thandian is included in the document. "Naturalistic (done badly), Deleted, still kept alive"
Man, i'm gonna start on some Refugium fanfiction, as long as that's ok with the creator, of course.
I was loving this until I heard flying spider.
Same lol
Imagine that thing flying at you full pelt.
Shivers. Actual shivers.
Can't wait for flying rats
And..... Flightless bats which are practically freaking demons
They probably come in swarms.
Using extinct animals for fantasy settings is something that I myself I do.
Who doesn't?
18:48 wtf was that logo? Also, I would love to see more of the Refugium.
I seriously want there to be a series about exploring the unknown parts of Refugium, like what's in the dark area? Or what are those moons supported by? These are burning questions that just NEED to be answered.
I would love to see something like Feature Focus but for the social aspects of language, like "Feature Focus: Standard/Prestige Varieties" or "Feature Focus: Dialectal Variation".
This is fantastic! I'd love to have some more detailed explorations of this setting.
And of course, I can't help but confess that I'm crossing my fingers that eventually Alien Biospheres will progress to similar discussions of grand civilizational exploration and conflict.
I have worlds I've been working for over a decade, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Why not try to share them as well? Biblaridion proves that people are interested in well thought worldbuilding
@@raphaelzakhm7310 writing a fictional travel guide about them.
You basically described a smaller scale tidally locked planet
and I love it xD
Everyone gangster till Bib starts talking about the 'things' moving in the Night Lands
"The only refuge for the inhabitants in the midst of an otherwise forbidding, unknowable void, a tiny speck of light and life in a vast oppressive, all-encompassing cosmic darkness."
Okay, I can definitely see why you would worship the sun.
Wow, this is so damn interesting. Both the concept of the world and cultures in it seem SO unique and exciting. I really wish to learn more about this.
I can't help but read your comment in a sarcastic tone XD
This was one of the most fantastic, well thought out videos I have ever seen! I am super looking forward to whats coming! Loved the detail in all your alien biosphere videos as well even if the creatures are pure nightmare fuel
"Flying spiders"
*Adds Refugium to list of places I'll never visit*
and that is exactly why i stay the hell away from conlanging, it's so amazing that if you walk into it you will never write another story. it consumes you wholesome...
I love and appreciate, the originality, of the entire presentation!!!
It would be interesting to hear about people who live on the other side of mountains. They must be in a constant night-like environment from the shadow cast from the mountains.
I would rather live a bit more past the mountains
I expected a round world with a small, yellow sun, this was an extremely unexpected twist😂
But it was really interesting and actually quite inspiring for my own projects
Wow. I can show nothing but praise for your amazing skill, dedication, craftsmanship, and investment in this project. Truly inspiring. Yes, we would love to see more of these kinds of videos, even if they are far apart and less detailed than this one. If you ever do write that book, you can be sure we'll buy it. Keep on going great.
Are we all just going to ignore that right at the start he literally says that something happened to the entire populace? And then proceeds to constantly refer to every civilisation in the past tense.
Ooh that was really nice! Hope we get to see more of that world later since it seems a lot of work was put into it.
I need at least an anime set in this world. I just want to hear stories set here.
5:39 There have actually been flightless bats but they didn't last long and went extinct pretty early after starting to exist (according to the fossil record which isn't very good)
Edit: They did still have wings however the were just too big to fly unlike the ones in this video which just had no wings
To be fair, placodonts are technicially still alive, as they appear to have the entire extant vertebrate family as their descendants.
That was very interesting. I'd like to hear more about that.
This is wild. I could listen to you talk about this world for hours. Fingers crossed for that book
Love this kind of content, especially with your genius.
The sun mechanics are quite ingenious and overall the Refugium is very inspiring - it actually makes me want to get back to my conlang :D
18:48 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Indeed!
SUS
this world concept and the way you dived wholeheartedly into the eldritch horror of the dark lands is the sickest shit ive ever heard. i am obsessed with the concept of the eternal night lands
Last time I was this early the animals still hadn’t left land
What
@@the7th494 reference to alien biosphere
Mooooore!! We need more! This is awesome and inspiring
18:47 Hi there Aan, how are ya doing?
This is how you train for fast screen tapping
i just watch on 0.25 speed lmao
Hmm, I can't help but wonder as to what the origins of this world might be. It's hard to say for certain, but the way the outer moon orbits in a perfect whole-number ratio to the orbits of the inner moons suggests this world (or at least this particular part of it) was engineered and not formed through entirely natural means. But who knows? Do the gods really inhabit this world, or are they a force beyond it?
Either way, I can imagine it would be trivially easy for the people to design a calendar system with exactly 360 days, and 72 'weeks' consisting of 5 days each. I suppose then the *real* question is: what counting system would they predominantly use? The 360-day year favours base 12, whereas the 5-day week favours base 10.
*E L E V E N*
@@anapricot-t1c how about base 13?
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maybe the world was created by an ancient human civilization as a safe heaven before the entire universe was engulfed by the eldrtich gods (because lets be sincere, the darkness is obviously inhabited by those beings)
Imagine if the magical "sun" used to be larger, or there used to be more "suns". Thus there would be tons of civilizations in the shadow lands, untouched, broken and frozen in time.
Wouldnt they have evolved to be blind
@@Bruh-hq1hx the life that managed to survive in the shadow lands probably became the ,,things" Bib was talking about!
I think the sun being larger or brighter is literally what is happening and the story is that the sun is dimming so they need to either make it brighter or survive in the night lands.
Not only is this intensely fascinating, but it goes to show how differently a world that is flat would behave from ours. It can sometimes seem quite similar (hence all the flat-earthers) but it is undeniably a different beast altogether. If someone tried to claim the world was round within the Refugium, they'd rightly be laughed out of town, banished to live outside of their magical sun's influence, probably.
imagine it is, and there are several more suns scattered about the world. it would make sense. light doesn't just "fade" it could very well be disappearing off of the horizon.
@@rohankishibe6433 it still behaves as if it's flat though because the sun doesn't move.
You just take the fun out everything 🙄
I'd LOVE to see more videos like this!!! This world seems really interesting, and it means more Biblar content between Alien Biosphere episodes
Just did the math, this would have a surface area of ~314,159,265 square kilometers, and earth has a surface area of ~510,100,000 kilometers, meaning this would only be about 3/5 the size of earth.
I am no intoxicatingly fascinated by the dark lands and the "things" that dwell within them. Please, I need more of the Refugium. Give me all of the cosmic horror
I'm sure you've already worked this out, but given how much closer the center of the world is to the sun compared to the outer regions, it seems like the temperature differential should be much greater than we see. If it's 1000 km above ground level at the center, and the outer regions are like 5000 km out, then the inverse-square law means the sunlight, and thus the thermal energy input, should be just 26 times more intense at the center than at the edge of the outer regions! Intuitively, it seems like that should either make the center an absolute furnace, or else make the outer regions utterly frozen.
it's magic, man
@@Nemo_Anom or that their perception of temperature differential and light differential is skewed. Standard room temperature would probably seem like a frozen wasteland to them, that or the light isn't as intense.
My Refugium inspired alternate universe, The Expanse: The Expanse is a world similar in many regards to The Refugium (flat world, 1 sun, 5 moons, no stars, umbral region) but the lines between gas, liquid, and the vacuum of space is very thin leading to a breathable atmosphere and space that you can swim through. All life inhabiting The Expanse possess a 4-part diagonal jaw structure (4 jaws which open diagonally), 2 antennae like structures used for both hearing and gas exchange (basically gill ears), 4 camera style eyes, 2 limbs, and a tail. The sky is separated into 3 zones which get darker the further up you go; these zones share the same names as the ocean zones on Earth. The Expanse possesses 2 sapient Genus's which both possess 2 limbs similar to those of a Pterodactyl (but with a thumb), a mudskipper like walking gait (except the tail is used in walking), and a prehensile tail which works in place of a hand (possessing a flat end split in 2 which can curl around objects to grab them).
No life on earth exists in the expanse, and all bird like clades are replaced by clades more adapted for swimming on Earth due to the nearly non existent line between liquid, gas, and vacuum.
The 2 intelligent genus's of the refugium have reached a level of advancement seen during the 1970's on Earth yet have advanced socially and culturally several millennia beyond humanity as we know it today.
The 2 Genus's (which I will now be calling the Ketzu) communicate through a series of clicks, whistles, howls, coos, kraas, and even licks (albeit only as a display of affection).
The Ketzu evolved on Ka'Tzu (a Taiga Island continent the size of Antarctica) from flying ancestors who often dropped stones on their ground dwelling prey to hunt.
The Expanse possesses a habitable range of about 9 Earths in diameter with all other regions being only inhabited by protocells around Hydrothermal vents (which have remained the same due to their simplicity and environment preventing any changes).
This is very interesting and original! I love it!
18:47 weird simboly
Uf, the story about dark lands is so terrifying, besides realization of the probable endlessness of this darkness...
And the disrepair and age of the ruins on nhlogqwa imply that it used to be where the sun was above
I don't know what that symbol is but I'm impressed that my pause game was good enough to catch the frame on my first attempt. Green circle, symbol in the middle. lower half is like a circle with a T overlapping it. It connects with the upper half that's a horizontal line and three vertical lines the middle one is longer than the other two.
Don’t think I missed that at 18:48
Sneaky....
I love how well you balanced the fantasy and scientifically accurate aspects.
This was an AMAZING video. I think it`s the only video better than your alien biospheres series.
Got some Myst vibes going on with the music here. I love it. This seems like an absolutely fascinating and incredibly compelling setting
Yesssssss new videooo!!! Hype!
The way he says “the K’ama” cracks me up way more than it probably should 😆
No but seriously, this is a very compelling project and I hope we get to see more of it someday 🙌
Yo, how did you get that cool swirly background effect for the background of the picture of Refugium?
Love this the only videos other than alien biosphere I've liked
this is incredible!