MS500i ... STOCK vs PORTED ... RACE CHAIN ... how much faster???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Race chains by:
Cole Armbruster
Instagram: @armbru84
Test Logs from:
Joe's Firewood in Minnesota (twin cities area) Instagram: @joes.firewood.forestryservices
Thanks for the chains and test logs guys... greatly appreciated...
John you f’d up on this video, race chains are the biggest secret in the game. You are exposing too many secrets. I love a ported saw and just recently started learning about how advanced sharpening can actually get. Great video, love the info.
John, thank you so much for illustrating this crucially important fact! Your saw will only cut as fast as your chain is sharp!!! Guys get so caught up with trying to add power to their work saws, which is obviously important, but if you can’t file chain, or grind, or however you choose to sharpen, your saw will suffer!!
You are the man! Much love and respect to you from the Evergreen state!! 🌲🌲
My 500i is ported & WCS bark box & it FREAKIN SCREAMS!! The race chain is CRAZY😂😂👍👍👍
Meanwhile us average humans are blown away with the power of the stock 500i😜
Yeah yikes 😬
I feel inadequate with my lowly stock 500
My ms250 was my first saw and is still my favorite even after now also owning a 391 a 660 and a 440.
That race chain is crazy!
That log stand is mint. Probably the sturdiest one ever made
Keep up the good work. Just remember the ones talking crap are the ones who run electric saws in their back yards. 🤣
That race chain is sick. Wow
Dam, that chain and your tweakin makes the stock saw look like a saw third smaller in size compared to the cut times.
Glad to see you got smart, and covered everything up this time, because I know you spent a good amount of time with shop vac cleaning up, moving power heads around first go around. Appreciate your efforts on giving demonstrations inside, because you still got half the mess to clean up once again.
I sure love the 500i quick revving power!
I also love the MS250. Firsts aw I ever bought, and for the price It's what I tell everyone to get unless they want to spend 1200+ and do a lot of work
Thats why I have a lot of respect for the 250s... they are the best "bang for your buck" saw ever made in my opinion
Yep,beside my ms400c sits a ms250. CLAMSHELL WARRIORS !
Wow! I'm running a stoeckel filter and WCS bark box and clutch cover on my MS500i but I'm blown away by this!!!
Big difference.
I'm just trying to perfect square filing. I'm getting better.
Its an art for sure... I don't do my chains either... I send them off to a logger out west and he does them... the chain in this video wasn't the best either
Very interesting, thank you for sharing.
OOOH I LOVE MY 025, I am glad I am not alone!
That is seriously crazy that they can get that much difference out of a chain. That stock chain may need touched up a bit, but still thats insane!
Yeah stock chain wasn't the best... I will probably redo it against a new out if the box chain for a easier comparison
Amazing how those race chains cut.. WOW 😳...great comparison between stock and ported 500i...big gains there boi🤙🏻🪓🤙🏻😎
My father in laws MS250 has cut probably 100 cords of firewood and runs like a scalded dog. He beats the tar out of it, cuts holes in the ice, thing loves it and revs like a indy car
EXACTLY... thats why I love them... they are a super common saw just an easy choice if you just need "a saw" and don't need a 661 or something.... not saying they are some monster saw or that production guys should sell their 500i and grab a 250 lol... but they are bullet proof and cheap... hard to not like them honestly... thanks for sharing my man I LOVE hearing those MS250 stories its amazing how many people have told me something similar
Love it brother. Keep ‘em coming
Damn. That race chain
Thanks for making a mess all over your incredibly precise machine lol. Cool test. I want to run one of your 500i out on a day of falling big timber.
HI John race chains make a lot of diff for instance me and my friend went to a saw compaction I told him to sign up in the ported class with his 661 & 462 both saws was stock but both had bark boxes on them he placed 3rd both classes he was astound that was the first time he ran a race chain I done very will to they are expensive at 300$ a pop I sold 9 that day there is a lot of work that go's in to a race chain food for thought ask the guy that dose your chains to put a good round filling on one of your chains so you can sharpen it yourself it will be a little slow but it will fill good when yo cut with your saw it will save you time and money that what I do to my customers so that they can practice cutting for a competition KEEP ON ROCKIN DUDE !!!!!!!!
Waiting for the.. " My stock Husky 373 will do that" comment.
Keep rockin. 💯🔥
Thanks John, love what your doing, just sitting here sharping chains till your next video. Wish we could send you our saws to do your thing, but we get it. Business ever slows down we will start sending saws right away no matter what the cost, great craftsmanship and perfection is hard to find these days. Thanks again and can't wait for your chambers when can we pre order?
I know a Chris Picard. From moss Bluff la. Bet you’re not him lol 😂 cheers
Sure is man! Agreed!!
B U T. . . When passion is incorporated into every second of a build... Johns custom Saws is the outcome👍 Great material as always...
That was pretty neato!
The chips coming off the race chain are all chunks! Some powder off the straight square chain
Yeah the square ground chain wasn't the best... needs to be sharpened i realized it after... I must have hit something cuz the one side the cutters are rounded off... I can't win man lol
@@johnscustomsaws it’s hard for me to keep a square chain worth a damn too lol
Awesome video
Hi John I'm only 13 years old but I love working on saws and cutting wood I like to work on older stihl chansaws like the 038s and most of the older ones I like some of the old home lites like the xl 76s is it true that the ms 250 is your favorite saw I have a few and thear a nice smaler saw with the 16 inch bar
Love to hear it dude... getting the bug to work on saws that young is awesome because most kids (no offense bro I'm 40 so you are a kid to me lol)... dont have any interest in small engines especially 2 strokes... you guys are the future... and YES the MS250 is my vote for the best saw ever made... now I dont port them and throw tons of mods at them... I know that sounds weird coming from me... but the 250 is a cheap homeowner saw that doesn't realize its not a pro saw and they just get it done and are incredibly durable for what they are... convert it to 3/8 chain and get rid of the .325 safety chain... learn how to sharpen them really well and they will surprise you... I did service/repairs for many years and they sold husky and stihl at the dealership i was at and those 250s were incredibly reliable and durable... best "bang for your buck" saw in my humble opinion 💯
@@johnscustomsaws yes I like the older pro saws I have a few 034s and 038 and a butifull 026 and a nice 041 im saving up for a 066 I have about 40 old homlites and I love em expect my xl 76 the are in mint condition and I have 4 of am what would you say would be a good saw for me because I'm saving for an 066
Would love to see a modded ms250
I personally don't really modify them just convert it to 3/8 chain and open the muffler slightly... they are a clam shell and I just dont do anything with those... sounds crazy coming from me but they are good out of the box... best bang for your buck saw ever made in my opinion
@@johnscustomsaws got ya, I love mine
That rips. Can u get race spec bars as well then? Better sprocket and maybe some fancy machining of the rails or sumin? Just curious 👍
Im so new to the race scene I don't even know what you are referring to... but now im curious lol... I have built ported/machined work saws for years but the real race saws im just getting intom... the guy that madecthe chain for me would definitely know... if you have Instagram send him a message and check his page out 👍
@@johnscustomsaws I have no idea either 🤣 just in my head I was thinking maybe a trapezoid shaped groove for the rails would = less drag or something along those lines. Can't imagine a stock bar being that optimized for race style cutting. Dunno though 😂. I am not in the race scene 👍
Like the 1500 dollar log holder. Hopefully I can find me one of those log lathes someday add to my tooling. Do you know where I can find one of those lathes. Lol
Those Clausings came with the optional log holder and OEM red strap 👌 luckily I got that model otherwise I would be screwed lol
Gr8 Test 😇😁
Wow that's freaking nasty
👍 thanks
I am building a stock 250 right now. Do you really enjoy that saw? Now I am more excited about building it
I had a 250 my gpa gave me and my dad straight gassed it. I have a 251 as a trash saw and you cant even accidentally bounce it out of the truck to lose it. I really liked my old 250 it was more of a prograde . than a farm grade.. Now im running a 361.
That blacked out 500i is sexy. Your 500i builds look stout. Wish I was rich and could afford to buy one from all of the reputable builders to compare. Wish you were taking used saws at the moment. My 462 needs some love.
Quick question if you don't mind. I know in your 461 build video you set squish at .020 as most people do but what would you consider the absolute minimum that you would run for a personal saw?
Depends a Iot on how you are building it... the way you cut the squish and if you are doing any machining etc... I dome my pistons and cut the squish so its a little different... but as a general rule of thumb... I would say .022 or .025 absolute minimum
I’d love to see a 500i ported with a pipe. Or even better on nitrous 😂 love your videos👍
i have a video of a 500i with a pipe lol
@@johnscustomsaws Well dang😂 ask and you shall receive aye 😂 probably missed that video but ima look for it now👍
Id love to see what makes those racing chains so fast. I thought i did pretty good with my round file, for cuttin g firewood, with my little 361 stihl. That is amazing
I thought the same thing.... until I seen the chain and trust me it is WAY more involved than you think... literally the craziest chain you can imagine... times 10 lol
Square ground and then lightend right up. Along with other secterts.
Wow race chain is all business
I heard that ! I been running the piss out of ms 250 for limbing. They rip when opened up, for their light weight. Got 4, need 1 more before they quit making 250
Yep... best value for money saw made in my opinion... I convert them to 3/8 chain and get rid of that .325 safety chain and SLIGHTLY open the muffler up thats it... and they just work and keep working... its like nobody told the 250 its not a pro saw lol
I want to see an MS 361 on your channel
Big balls John. Lol
Funtime sawrus
John is@armbru84 the same guy that does your square grind chains? Thanks
Cardboard this time. Smart.
Lol... yep 😉
Crakin vid,what 2 stroke oil do u run.
What’s the cost difference on the race vs stock chain?
The race chain has so much intricate work done to it I can't even begin to explain... im definitely not a chain guru not even close... I just know the pointy end goes forward... the stock chain was a square ground full skip but it was definitely not the best... I realized after the video the one side all the cutters were a little rounded
Dźwig na olx
Olx dźwig ciesielski.
where are the mini nitrous bottles hidden on the saw?
I'd sell those chips as hamster bedding
John if you had to choose between a 500i and a 461 what would you choose?
So if the race chain was twice as fast as logging chain was the nitrous saw really twice as fast as the 500i ??
I actually have a side by side of the NOS saw and 500i running the same race chain I didn't put it in this video tho... but yes the faster of the cuts I timed it at 1.5 seconds 🤯 the 500i was 3 ish seconds.... its hard to time them when they are that fast... it was actually like 3 times faster in the initial side by side if you look at the first video the fastest cut would have made it thru 3 times before the 500i did but with the better chain NOT a fair fight
@@johnscustomsaws holy shit 1.5 seconds? Damn now thats a challenge to beat and i hope you know whatever i say its all in good nature. i mean what can i say you have the fastest saws out there and i want that title hahahah i love some friendly competition and love your videos more keep up good work my man
@@playingwivwood oh absolutely man... people think I have issue with anyone that says something slightly different than what I am doing and that couldn't be further from the truth... I love that people think critically thats how it should be... ans if you ain't trying to beat the next guy whats the point??? Its how we stay motivated... but yeah if u watch the NOS saw cuts its hard to time it but I used the editing app that has the time on the video down to tenths of a second and it was around 1.4 to 1.5... again hard to be exact but the 500i with the race chain was around 2.8 to 3 seconds so basically double... now in a bigger cut the NOS starts to lose ground and the 500s really shine in big cuts 30 inch diameter stuff... Nitrous gets sketchy when you load the saw down.. .can build too much pressure and... .💥
@@playingwivwood ...also don't throw nitrous on your saw without seriously looking into it... no joke its dangerous my man... can "grenade" the saw and catch a face full of shrapnel 😬 i know i have said it before but there is definitely a secret to it... I don't tell anyone because I don't want people to think its safe if they know the method... because its definitely not... but it keeps it from building too much pressure and blowing the cylinder sky high
@@johnscustomsaws thank you for the warning and i have been thinking about putting nitrous to a 1970 ish pioneer super 620 witch is 103 cc and has removable head and the best part its intake ported, no reeds, so that will be much easier but i will definitely build a cage around cylinder so if piston does bust through you’ll just hear a wack instead of getting shrapnel launched at you but i plan to strip it fully down and customize the shit out of it
Wait for it "the log move that isn't the same ......."
Oh im sure I will hear that... and I swapped the chain and ran it backwards... slowed down the video... sped up the other... cut in different time zones and switched saws all together 🤦♂️
@@johnscustomsaws yep cut one here in Australia travel back to the us and lose a day cut again It terrible lol
@@johnscustomsaws you could leave a clock in the shot so it’s harder for people to say one is sped up or slowed down
@@FishFind3000 you mean a stopwatch or something? either way i gotta give them something to hang onto lol
Why do so many people play with the throttle before sawing? Why not just zap it to full throttle and go?
Can anyone validate I’ve heard race chains cost HUNDREDS of dollars true?
before you click on this video it has a picture of a saw with what it looks like a billet side cover. tells us about that please
Thats the Westcoast Saw side cover... I will be doing a video about it coming up 👍
@@johnscustomsaws looks nice. me being on the west coast funny i have never seen one.
So how long It take clean shelves off lol. Since have cardboard over it now. Poor Bella her bed probably full of wood chips. Sure she had a hay day. Laughing thinking her rolling in the chips.
Lol... I used an air wand it went relatively fast... just wasn't interested in doing it again 😁
You can teach me for modified engine ? 🤣
Where can i buy a good race chain?
Cole Armbruster is the guy that made mine... if you have Instagram he's @armbru84 otherwise if you are serious email me and I can get you his phone number... they are expensive tho my man just letting you know 👍
@@johnscustomsaws will do sir an thank u
Elm is good and hard ...
Is your facebook page hacked?
My lil 361 can beat that stock saw