Best 4 Season 4 Person Tent - Hilleberg Saitaris Vs Mountain Hardwear Trango 4 - Review
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- HILLEBERG Vs MOUNTAINHARDWEAR 4 Season Tents - SAITARIS Vs TRANGO 4 . In this video I compare the above 4 person 4 season tents. I also recommend two alternatives so watch out for this at some point during the video. Thank you for watching and don't forget to comment below. ATB Tom
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I hope that you enjoy this Video. During the video, Don't forget to look out for my other two top picks for a 4 person all season tent..... Let me know what yours would be. ATB TOM
Another in-depth, helpful and excellent tent vs tent comparison. Thanks Tom. I enjoy watching your vids as I always learn lots and find them a good balance between technical and practical. Great job! 👍🏼
Thank you Barry, I hope that you enjoyed it. Looking forward to your next one too. ATB Tom
Great to see someone reviewing and using tents other that a Soulo. Great content.
Hi Matthew, Thank you for your positive comments. Yes I try to bring different content to the table... ATB Tom
Great film Tom, as always full of detail and you hit the areas no one else on TH-cam does. The sound was absolutely excellent. I really liked how you filmed from
Inside the tent and into the tent. I really felt as if I was inside the tent as you were reviewing it. Thanks for the hard work in creating the review. If I was picking one, I’d go for the Saitaris 😀.
Hi Phil, thank you for the positive comments and I hope that I showcased the tents in their best light. The sunset beat me when filming on the coast so missed some fab shots of the Saitaris. The Saitaris is probably my favourite tent of all time but I would just need a few extra bodies or dogs to justify one... When you are inside it there is such a wow factor... I so appreciate you allowing me to borrow it. ATB Tom
Mountain hardwear and then a nice 2 week holiday somewhere with all the money I’ve saved from the buying hilleberg .
Thats a fair enough comment... Thank you ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 even though I own 2 hillebergs 😏
absolutely amazing detailed review. Thank you, liked and subscribed!!!
Hey Michael, thank you for the kind words. Great to hear that you enjoyed the review... ATB Tom
It is a joy to watch your videos. I am not even interested in buying a four person tent, but nevertheless I watched the entire video. Looking out for the next one! Cheers
Hey Jasper, thank you very much. Sure we all love gear and looking at it doesn't do any harm.... ATB Tom
Another thumbs up video. The Depth of reviews you’ve done on the Hilleberg tents is very good.
Saivo 3 man next? 😉⛺️
Hi Lee, thank you. Just need to get the hold of one but I love the Saivo... ATB Tom
Another great review, thanks. I have used a Trango 4 for many years, in all conditions, through work and it has been excellent. The Hilleberg looks even better but think I'd go Trango and put the rest of the price difference towards a new 2 man mountain tent!
Hi John, thank you for your comments especially when you have such experience of using the Trango 4. It does represent great value and feels durable. A two for the price of one is always good... ATB Tom
another VERY informative video there TOM
Thank you very much I am glad that you enjoyed it. ATB Tom
Great work as usual Tom!
Hey thank you Michael, glad you enjoyed it. ATB Tom
Great comparison as always Tom. Cheers
Thank you Stuart, glad you enjoyed it. ATB Tom
Tom, another great video from THAdv and I detect that your audio has made another small improvement. Your work as a professional media artist really pays off in audience benefit. Thank you.
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You’ve explained these products well and like you I’d like to be presented with the Hilleberg, but the cost difference is fairly enormous, £850 vs £1,860, and I’d purchase the Mountain Hardware and enjoy it.
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Given the Hilleberg and bearing in mind I’ve owned a Nammatj 3GT and a Keron 4, I think I’d use what you call the “back door” as the main dry entrance and the vestibule for a kitchen, luggage storage or even bicycle locker, thereby requiring only occasional access through the side door. One reason for that is that the side door goes beyond the vertical and allows rain to fall straight inside the vestibule and soak the floor. Great work Tom, ATB.
Thank you very much Gary for your continued support and comments. I will keep working on the audio as I think I can still get it better... You could get the Trango 4 then buy something else very decent too... Great idea to use the main vestibule for storage and the back one for the main entrance. Hope you enjoyed the video. ATB Tom
Another great review Tom. My Hilleberg collection just grew from 1 tent to 2 yesterday but as much as I'd like to get a Saitairis I don't want to end up in divorce court! :)
Hey Kevin, great to hear that you have acquired another Hilleberg. I was very impressed with the Saitaris here. Once the other halfs get to know how much money they cost it can be tricky introducing them to the household..... ATB
why do men get married?
Hi Tom, fantastic video. These two tents are absolute fortresses, the quality of Hilleberg shines through whenever one is pitched. I hadn’t seen Slingfin before, so I looked them up; very tidy. 👌👍⛺️
Hi Shamus thank you. Yes you have to actually have a Hilleberg in your hands to fully appreciate the attention to detail. I would love to get my hands on a Slingfin tent as they certainly design them very well. ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I just provided a review of the SlingFin Arctic 6 on its website. We used it 11 nights in the Gates of the Arctic. I've owned 5 Hillies and believe the SlingFin is on par with the Hillies.
@@geoffswindler337 Hi Geoff, just read your review. I do like the Slingfin tents but some of the models that I fancy have very thing groundsheets.. Great that you are impressed with the quality as that is a big factor IMO. I have anew video up in a few moments on my Nammatj in 60mph winds.... ATB Tom
Some of the best and most comprehensive TH-cam gear reviews going - congratulations and thanks so much for such honest, real world reviews. I'm more motorcycle and car based camping than backpacking, and my two favourite 'adventure' tents would be the Saitaris by Hilleberg, and a Safir 9 by Tentipi. Both arguably some of the most versatile and highest quality tents that money can buy. Thanks again for such great reviews - really enjoying your channel and presentation - informative and very helpful. Congratulations again! :-)
Hi John, thank you very much for your positive feedback. Another tent review just done today and will be up on TH-cam shortly. I try very hard with my presentation and always try to be honest and fair. The Saitaris is probably my favourite tent of all time but I just don't have any need for a tent that size. All the very best and I hope you get out camping very soon. Tom
Great video! Thanks for the review
Thanks for watching! and talking the time to comment... best wishes Tom
For what it's worth, my pick would be the Hilleberg Saitaris. Simply love that tent.
Hi Jonny, I love it too there is no doubt that it is the better tent of the too. ATB and appreciate your comments. Tom
great review - thanks !.. following on from the recent video showing a Tarra getting wet through, and the obvious response that no tent is 'guaranteed' waterproof, I would go for any tent costing half-the-price and double up with a bivvy bag !.. Mountain Hardwear gets my vote !!!
Hi Sebastian, thank you for your comments. You are right even at serious money they all have limitations. Good call on the cheaper option and using a bivvy. Having owned two Mountain Hardwear Trango in the past they actually never let me down. ATB Tom
As i have two Hillebergs i would have the third but i don't need one that size. One thing i hate on tents is poles with built in angles. A major flaw in making a weakness. I say to anyone thinking of a tent get one with straight poles. A honest and fair review.
Hi Alan, this one is a big one for sure especially with that extended vestibule.... Not too keen on the built in angles either but the manufactures of course will say that they are great.... ATB and thank you for your input as the owner of two Hilleberg tents.... Tom
Great video Tom ,the hilleberg looks amazing and if I could pick one it would be the hilly without question but it’s pricey but if you want to be safer out in the mountains then it’s worth it .I have the ve25 NF tent and I wonder if north face are bringing out any new tents ? It’s time they did I feel
Thank you and yes the Hilleberg is fantastic but a lot of money for sure.. It would be great to see The North Face producing a better tent line up but they make so much money else where.... ATB Tom
North face went down hill in my opinion
They haven’t upgraded any of their tents
A great comparison of the Mountain Hardwear and Hilleberg tents. It seems the bottom line is which tent will meet your specific needs best. An expedtion might justify a more expensive Saiteris tent as a safty issue, but I think most hardcore backpackers would find the Trango 4 a more than adequate 4 season shelter and a better value. Thank you!
Hey you summed this up better than I did thank you very much... Trango are great tents and I have had two of them for extensive periods of time... Just too heavy for me to carry now when camping on my own.... ATB Tom
Great review, thanks 👍👍
Thanks for watching and commenting. Great that you enjoyed it... ATB Tom
Great review!
Thank you very much for your positive feedback. ATB Tom
I have Vaude Sphaerio 2P and I liked a lot !!!.
I hear Vaude make really good tents..
Enjoyed that Tom, my son and I actually slept in my Trango 3 in the garden last night just for fun and to eat daim mini eggs. Undoubtedly its a great place to be. That parkland you do your reviews in is absolutely beautiful and a great sopt to pitch. Do you get disturbed?
Hi Dave, thank you. Just had two previous Trango 2's. Really good space and very strong. The ground is private scout ground and my wife a scout leader so I can make use of it. ATB Tom
Thanks for this
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My pleasure, hope you enjoyed it. ATB Tom
I had to google it when you said that the Hilleberg had 5 pole crossing point. I know the saivo has 7. It turned out that they both have 7.
But then I saw that you also wrote it in the video. I have to listen and read, at the same time 😉.
Hi thank you for commenting on my video. Even when you know something very well its so easy to say something you didn't mean when talking to the camera. I check myself and say "what did you say that for you ......" Its not exactly hard to see and count the crossing points.... ATB Tom
I had a p.p.i payout, so i bought the saitaris with footprint and an full set of extra poles. If me and son are tent bound cost of bad weather, ( wind & rain) I wanted a nice big cooking area,with storage at the rear. Don't think you can get any better. Don't know about snow build up but we get to much of that . Lot better than my snugpak cave tent
Hi Michael, that's great news re the PPI and the Saitaris of course. It is probably the most impressive tent I have ever had my hands on. Unfortunately I only borrowed this one for the review... Enjoy it and don't consider anything else because nothing is as good IMO. ATB and thank you for your input as a saitaris owner. Tom
You are comparing two tents. One costs twice as much as the other. What a surprise!! The more expensive one gets your approval. More benefit to subscribers would have been tents in a similar price range. Very comprehensive review though. Thanks for taking the time.
Great feedback and you are right about one being twice the cost of the other and to through a ? over the comparison. I am a very small content creator and tents are hard to come by so honestly I have to work with what I can get my hands on. Both are the same capacity and designed for similar use. I did even recommend two alternatives at different price points.... A lot of Hilleberg tents are twice the money of their competitors so does that mean that they should never be compared.... I hope this reply did not sound too cheeky and I appreciate your constructive comments. ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Good points Tom. I am just pissed that I will now have to spend about £1800 instead of £1000. Having just had a tent ripped apart by gale force winds on Skye I am determined to find the most bombproof shelter I can find. So far the Saitaris would appear to be the best out there. (Unless you know anything stronger?) Thanks again for great review. ATB.
@@madcat1007 Hi thanks for your follow up. Sorry to hear that you had your tent destroyed. I hope it is repairable at not too much cost. I borrowed the Saitaris but its not a good idea to take borrowed tents out in extreme conditions so haven't really tested it. I noticed that it is very aerodynamic and when the poles are guyed out they are extremely rigid and strong when pushing against them. Not really a true test but it gives you some indication of how well the tent will hold its shape in high winds. So having very strong poles, a super effective guying system, an aerodynamic profile, super strong fabrics and 7 pole crossing points I feel it is hard to beat for high winds. Yeah the expense is crazy but It is the most impressive tent I have ever got my mitts on.... I hope this helps. ATB Tom
Brilliant review, thanks. I'm a committed Hilleberg fan. It's always justifiable to spend extra on your tent-it's your last refuge in conditions that might otherwise be anything from uncomfortable to fatal. Why scrimp?
Hey Jonathan, firstly let me thank you so very much for the coffee its really appreciated and helps justify the time spent making these videos. The Mountain Hardwear Trango 4 is a good tent but its blown away here by the quality, strength and design of the Hilleberg even at twice the price.... Looking at the two tents side by side you can see where Mountain Hardwear cut corners such as guy lines, pegs, floor thickness and fly sheet. If this is easy to find then perhaps there are other areas too where quality is not as good as it should be. The tent is your shelter when it kicks off weather wise and you want to stack the odds in your favour. I have handled many many tents over the years from decent brands and the quality has definitely reduced. However the 6 Hillebergs that I have tested all have had perfect quality and construction and you know that they can be trusted. ATB and thank you once again. Tom
Hi Tom, great work on the review!
I recently got an older version of the Trango 2 which is losing the taping of the seams. Any recommendations on how to treat this and get the tent back to prime state? Thanks!
Hi, thank you for watching and commenting.. This is a hard one and I have been lucky enough to have avoided it... Honestly there is no easy answer... I would try using a damp very warm cloth to see if you can remove the tape further. Its going to take some time... then re seal with a silicone based sealant... try on a small area first.... ATB Tom
Nice work! It would be good to do a time lapse on pitching these tents because for people like me, the quickness and ease of pitching is incredibly important. Also, I must add that Hilleberg has 3 layers of silicone. This is from their website regarding tear strength: "Our Kerlon fabrics are coated, on both sides, with a total of three layers of 100 percent silicone."
Hi thank you for your comments, especially on the detail. This means that you have watched and listened to what I say and this is obviously what I want when I make the film. Regarding the time-lapse on pitching - the issue that I have with doing it in future videos is that most viewers skip those bits on the fast forward. I can see this from TH-cam analytics so I am not overly keen on making an effort to do this when the majority of watchers skip it. I am however seriously considering doing separate pitching videos for the tents as stand alone films so thank you for your interest. When I say "double silicone coated fabric" I mean the fact that its coated on both sides (double) with silicone and am not referring to how many layers it has on each side. I agree and you are totally right that the way I explained it in the video is a bit confusing. ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I know a number of people can't be bothered to watch how to pitch a tent. A couple of days ago, I was asked to help pitch another brand's tent because of my "expertise" which really applies to only Hilleberg tents. I didn't enjoy setting up this non-HIlleberg tent. Nor did I want to be a killjoy for the tent owner who was impressed with a 4-season tent he got on sale which he said could go to Denali or Everest. As far as I was concerned, frostbite would have set in for me if it were snowing. If I'm ever asked to pitch another tent again, I'm going to force the owner to watch the related pitching video.
Great video Tom 👍
Thank you very much. Is that a VE25 in your TH-cam picture? ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 yes I love it’s quality and I think the best colour of any tent I’ve seen I took that picture on top of wainwright summit of Robinson Lake District ATB 👍
Are they your own personal tents ? Wow amazing. Price point could be a major factor for many. Hilleberg is probably a better quality tent. But the fact you can buy two mountain Hardwear tents for the same price is huge. I have found the snow flaps on my TNF mountain 25 really come in handy on terrible terrible windy snowy conditions . I say terrible conditions, but those are the conditions I actually enjoy lol. Wonderful over-view thanks !
Hi Robson, unfortunately not but I wish that they were... I am a big fan of the Snow / Rock valances too. Come in handy for securing the tent and spreading tension... Thank you for your comments. ATB Tom. Have you a new or older version of the MTN25?
I ordered my Saitaris with snow flaps built in. It cost some extra and I had to wait for the custom tent to be delivered but now it is an even more serious winter tent. With the Saitaris the weight is already out of the hiking use so the extra fabric is not an issue.
If I remember correctly the snow flaps are an add on option for other Hilleberg models, too.
Two really good tents and the two not featured also looked very good. Its hard not to factor cost into the equation but if money was no object i know which of the two i would go for. Great video 👍👌
Thank you Neil both are very good and one is extremely good value too. Yes the cost factor is very valid in the real world... ATB Tom
Hello
Ten years ago I bought my Saitaris and never regretted it.
The Saitaris is a 3 person tent (don't know why they advertise it as a 4 person tent), I use it as a one person tent and that works well.
Would like to see a review video with the putting up of the tents in conditions like in your intro.
The saitaris I can put up alone in any weather and wind (that I will still sleep in), can't imagine how such a big flysheet is put on a "innerfirst tent" and how the inner tent stands during that time without lines.
Good video
Hi thank you for your comments. I will review pitching my Akto and Soulo in windy conditions when I can get the timing right as not as windy here in the summer. In reality I have to borrow tents for many of my reviews and don't want to risk damage to other peoples tents if the winds are like my intro video...This is also a timing issue eg borrowing the tents when it is windy.. My review of the Tarra, Super Quasar and Staika all show some windier conditions demonstrating stability. ATB Tom
One thing that haven’t been mentioned is second hand value. Hillebergs are absolutely expensive , but they also keep their value very good. You often see tents go for 80-90% value on the second hand market.
Yes Jon, this is actually very important and I will mention it in my next Hilleberg video. They hold their value very well, so if you buy one and don't like it or don't camp as much as anticipated then easy to sell and very little money lost. ATB Tom
I know Hilleberg make the best tents on the planet .. but I like the roomier living interior of the Trango better, plus I like the brighter interior color of it too, if I had to sit out bad weather for a couple days I think I’d get depressed in that red Hilleberg interior (or their green and brown options too)
Hi Chris, thanks for watching and commenting.. Personally I love a yellow inner and find the white fabric just marks and shows dirt too easily.. But colour choice is very personal. Not doubt at all that for 4 people spending time in the tent then the Trango definitely offers more space in every aspect... It just depends on what priorities you have. Both tents are very good with certain strengths and weaknesses... ATB Tom
Do you know if Hilleberg is the only tent maker that has a fancy stitching process so that you don’t ever need to seam seal them? I’m torn between a Hilleberg and the Nortent Gamme 8, and the only thing pulling me away from the Gamme is the need to seam seal (not totally from laziness, more so that I do not have a steady hand and I would probably do a horribly sloppy & messy job). Not to mention the need to do follow up seam sealings in the future too.
It's all quite tricky.. Because Hilleberg fly sheets are coated on both sides with silicone then it's hard to get tape to stick to seam seal.. But in seriously heavy prolonged rain you might get some water ingress. Hilleberg don't like taped seams as over time the tape will most likely fail.. Nylon coated on one side only can accept tape sealing but its not as strong.. So I definitely prefer double silicone fly material even if it needs extra personal seam sealing. I have done it with 6 or 7 older North Face tents when they used double silicone coatings. There will always be pros and cons to every system. Just take your time if you have to do it and a bit of extra seam sealer here and there will not effect the function of the tent or actually be that noticeable... I hope this helps... Tom
I’m totally struggling with which tent, the Hillebreg’s is really really nice but the Mountain Hardware is too. I can’t decide atm
Both very good to be honest.. If you expect more serious weather I would pick the Hilleberg.. The Trango is also a very good all round tent used on many expeditions all over the globe... Its a bit more roomy inside if that is ov value. Good luck with choosing.. ATB Tom
the reason such companies like mh choose 70d sil/pu fabric is because it has much better uv resistance compared to silnylon hence the term base camp tents.
Hi Dan, yes a valid point thank you for your input. ATB Tom
What do you think of the slingfin portal and crossbow 2?
Hi thank you for your comments. I do not have any direct experience with them but I do like Slingfin tents. On the portal the fabrics are very light. For example the groundsheet is 20 denier. On this Hilleberg here it is 100 denier and even on Hilleberg yellow label tents it is 50 denier if you get what I mean. Super thin fabrics are very prone to accidental damage and lack durability. Regarding the Crossbow 2 its a bit the same so I would definitely use it with a footprint. Using super light fabrics reduces the weight and helps sell tents.....ATB Tom
Which tent would you pick for Winter?
Hi thank you for watching and commenting... I definitely prefer the Hilleberg here for all conditions. Stronger and lighter and better construction too.. ATB Tom
Hello, I love your channel and I follow from Latin America, the only thing I think I want to argue is that in your videos and comparisons where you favor Hilleberg a lot and it feels as if the videos were paid for by the brand and your are talking about two tents twice the cost one of the other. Mountain Hadwear and The North Face have the throne of what is referred to as true mountaineering, otherwise in the 8000m mountains you would see some Hilleberg tents and they hardly ever use them. Hilleberg is an excellent brand but more than that it is fashion, some Black Label tents are used in expeditions and have all the respect they deserve but you cannot compare such different things either, as a consumer if they give me a choice of these two tents I would buy 2 mountain harwear of the same with the same money and I go anywhere. It is not about favoring anyone, you have a nice channel and I will continue following you, but there is an excess of fanaticism for said brand. This video helps me to take the decision to go for MH Trango 2 and can´t wait to buy it tomorrow. Greetings and blessings
Hi Victor thank you for this very well written comment. Honestly I don't know where to start regarding a reply but here goes. You talk about me favouring Hilleberg but yet at the end of this video I state that I don't know which one I would choose in the real world which has to look at the consumer cost.. Additionally I recommended two other tents from different brands. Not too many TH-camrs do that... The truth is that I resisted Hilleberg tents for many years due to the fact many years ago North FACE for example used the same fabrics and poles and were much better value. Now North Face now use cheaper fabrics to reduce the cost although the construction and reinforcement is very good. The other reality here is that Hilleberg have a massive range of tents at any given weight. How many North Face or Mountain Hardwear tents are available at 3kg for example? I have used tents from many many brands such as The North Face, Mountain Hardwear, Terra Nova Equipment, Crux etc and handled many others as I worked in the retail end of the industry for 4 years. The only tent brand now that doesn't cost cut is Hilleberg pretty much and this I admit comes at a premium price as the products are made in the Eu not the Far East where labour is much cheaper... Regarding the tents that are used at 8000m etc most of these are sponsored (More American expeditions) and being erected by porters (many people). Just try putting up a Tango is heavy rain and high winds....
I have had two Tangos in the past both of which served me very well (and yours will do too) but there inner first pitch is not for me in UK Conditions.
Hilleberg Black Label tents also use 100 d fabrics on the groundsheet which few other if any manufactures do. I have had many punctured North Face 70d groundsheets. Most companies favour light weight over durability as light weight sells tents...
So for me I want to support a brand that doesn't cut costs, probably makes less money on their products due to production labour costs, has fantastic customer support where you still can contact the CEO, has a insane range of products, and where there products hold their value so well you can sell them for more money second hand than you paid to begin with.
My TH-cam Chanel doesn't do great with views, partly due to my very focused niche content but at least when I review a Hilleberg product it is with passion and my true belief in the brand that has served me personally so well....
ATB and I honestly wish you very well with the Trango. It is a great tent with a fantastic reputation... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks for your answer Tom, Hilleberg is a fabulous brand and as you mention because of their high costs they don't skimp on putting the best quality in their products. Suddenly a better comparison for this tent can be expedition tents like: Lofoten X-trem 3 Camp, Himalaya X-Trem 2, Fjellheimen X-Trem 4 Camp, Patagonia 3, Svalbard High 3 Camp, Spitsbergen X-Trem 4 Camp, etc. Most youtubers try to sell everything as good even when it is not and they are not always honest. With what you say now I understand why you speak so passionately about the brand. I love camping tents and I am always trying to buy one more to collect and just because I like it. Right now I want to continue discovering more and get some of the best that each manufacturer can have for that experience, then share that beautiful knowledge with more people just like you. Go ahead with your channel and if you can try to use other brands so that the community continues growing,. There is an American brand called Kuiu that has a great model called Storm Star, it´s light, 4 seasons and with great qualities that I even want to buy. I already ordered a Hilleberg Keron 4Gt tent to see the best of HILL BL and I hope to buy an Akto or Enan to collect them and see their quality too. Greetings from South America
@@victorhugo6885 hey great and interesting reply and I wish you the very best with all your new tent purchases. You are totally right about the good reviews gear gets from content creators on TH-cam. the reality is is that if you are sponsored you don't want to say too much too bad, I f you have bought the item then you already think its good, and if you borrow it then you don't want to say too much bad about someonelses pride and joy.... Have a look at my latest review on the MSR Access 2 and let me know your thoughts... Also regarding the tent comparison the tents you mention would be more suited but I have no way of sourcing these tents so I have to work with what I have. Hilleberg have turned me down twice regarding sponsorship (stock issues) which is disappointing but after now having my hands on at least 10 of their tents I still prefer them to any others for my particular needs. I have also had the offer of two more Hillebergs to review so this has a bit of momentum for me... I hope you are well south in South America ha ha... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks Tom, yes I reviewed your video of the Msr access 2 tent the other day. I wanted to buy that tent for a long time but after reviewing a lot of information I am not convinced that it really is a tent suitable for strong weather or snow. For me, the worst fault of this tent is the structure that incorporates a star-shaped plastic that holds the rods. In very windy weather the entire structure can easily collapse because these plastics run the risk of failing. A 4-season tent needs solid structures that cross from one end to the other doing their own individual work. Kuiu storm star 2 meets all those requirements and has better materials aslo price, the problem is that they are out of stock at the moment. The tents that the subscribers lend for the comparisons must be subject to 100% frank technical reviews and no claims or crying are accepted afterwards. I had an opinion regarding Hilleberg that I wanted to tell you and see what think about. For me Hilleberg is a great brand but also that they have remained very much in the past and have not updated their materials much, what I am trying to say is that in the past the tents were very robust because they only had heavy materials, each time manufacturers are looking for stronger and lighter materials, but Hillberg stayed in that past, which at the same time has resulted in its MARKET NICH. There are old tents that work until now and have been manufactured for 20 years or more, which could practically also be considered better than the ones we have now, but also to much heavier and with problems of condensation mostly caused by the materials used (breathability) and also lack of vents. Looking at many brands that manufacture expedition tents, I see that they are again using polyester and some polymer blends because Nylon loses its elasticity with water and users must continually readjust the guidelines, and that gets complicated in extreme climates. In addition, the very robust material such as the Yellow Lb and Red Label tents that are provided with 4-season tent materials is why I suppose the problem of the great increase in condensation they have. I respect the brand and soon I will have own Hilleberg tents, I only would like they to continue innovating in new materials lighter but just as resistant to carry in small backpacks. Have great day Tom!
Saitaris hands down.
Oh yes yes, it kills... the Trango in quality but double the price. But it's the tent I would want to be in.... I have another video up tonight an hour ago... The Title is "I have gone ultralight".
@@TOMHEANEY100 Lies.
@@TOMHEANEY100 if thats really the case, you wont be needing heavy duty stuff so pass it over.
Any condensation on that one wall helliberg?
No Its always windy here so no condensation at all.... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I'll keep that in mind, how about have you heard of any one having those issues with that , that you know or heard about?
@@memphisreines4058 I am not sure what you mean by one wall Hilleberg. The Saitaris here is double wall just like all Hillebergs.. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 oh I must have missed read. Thank you, I'm more hype up about it now.
You said double silicon, i am pretty sure hilleberg uses triple silicon :)
Hi when I said double silicone I was referring to the fact that it was coated on both sides.. I didn't mean the number of coatings on each side.. Sorry for the confusion. Appreciate your comments.. ATB Tom
No doubt the Hlleberg is amazing but the current price is making me want to sell a kidney. Mountain hardware changed the colors on their tents to the worst colors imaginable they really have slipped in quality too....
Hi Dojocho, thank you for your comments... Yes I totally agree with the Mountain Hardwear colour thing. They are totally horrible.. what are they doing... My last Mountain Hardwear tent was a Tangent 2 which they now have stopped making... While the construction was good pegs and guy lines were really poor for a top end tent. Even many of the cheap brands are using dyneema guy lines while MHW are still cutting costs with standard nylon.. But this is still a tough one as Hilleberg tents are getting pricier and pricier and they lack some detail as they kind of dont make many changes or updates because they dont have to.. Customer service though is amazing as they still are a family run business.... ATB Tom
Do you buy these tents and review them?
Hi Dessie, no I am just source them anyway I can. ATB Tom
Double silicone coated tents (Hille) sag like hell in rain and you have to go outside and get soaked to tighten everything up. If its sunny in the morning the tent is tighter than . . . which stretches the untaped seams and the needle holes get big enough to leak. The Tango suffers from none of this. Had a Hille once and it was the worst tent I ever had. People pay so much money for them they convince themselves they are great. Buyer beware.
Hey thank you for your comments and for sharing your thoughts... Well I have had two Tango's.. Seriously tested them over the years but prefer Hillebergs... Trangos are great tents and so are Hillebergs but none are perfect... ATB Tom
Mountain Hardwear is garbage since Columbia bought them. The quality of the materials is so grossly obvious doing a side by side. There is no reason it should weight more than 13 pounds. You mentioned SlingFin, the original tent designer co-founded Mountain Hardwear with the sleeping bag designer of the North Face. He founded SlingFin after selling Mountain Hardwear and it shows now in the quality. I don't have much respect for the name anymore because the money spent on advertising is the only thing planting those tents all over Everest Basecamp and onto Barnes and Noble shelves in the magazines.
Hi Clem, I like your input here thank you. I owned a Trango 2 many years ago and was impressed with it so I bought another one. It was ok but not much of an update on the original. As the Trango's are heavy for one I then thought to try the Tangent 2. This tent immediately disappointed me. Meant to be a premium product the guy lines were cheap and nasty and the cheap pegs bent at he neck the first time I hit them with a stone. I hate cost cutting on premium products and that's where Hilleberg never disappoint. Fabrics, poles, construction, built quality, guy lines, pole bags and cord etc. Some people will always have a fault with everything but I now have handled 6 or 7 Hillebergs and not a single construction or quality fault anywhere. In reality Many many years ago TNF and Mountain Hardwear were very good but they have suffered due to mass production and of course cost cutting. Some people look at them on expeditions and thing great, that's good enough for me but as you say these are sponsored. The people using them probably are not that interested in camping, just bagging a summit. This Trango 4 was ok regarding quality but again cheap pegs and guy lines on a premium product...... no thank you. the 70 d fly super heavy but I suppose good uv resistance and not bad value either. The Saitaris here was the most impressive tent I have had my hands on so far. Would like to see a SlingFin Hard shell but I think they have a 30d fly against the 40 of the Hilleberg and they run their groundsheets quite thin too.... You made an effort to give a detailed comment so that's your detailed reply. Great to have you on board with the channel. Happy camping Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thank you for taking the time to respond. It means a lot to me. I owned my first expedition tent from Sierra Designs just after Mountain Hardwear came to be and at 8 pounds 5 ounces for a 3 person single door tent it was ideal with the igloo vestibule with (believe it or not) two poles for the vestibule alone and the two stove pipe vents. I didn't understand how the weight just kept going up and up in these tents. I inherited a Trango 4 after I bought my Nallo 2 from Hilleberg and couldn't believe the difference in quality. Moreover I don't see why more companies aren't building tents with the integrates tent body. It's nice to see NEMO Equipment trying it but unfortunately people are complaining that their 20D and 30D tent materials aren't holding up. Thanks again for your thorough reviews, I hope the hard work pays off for ya. I will be sure to share your content regularly.
That Saitaris is calling me.
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