Most people who love golf are more bothered about playing golf and lowering their handicap they might watch the majors and ryder cup most people i know are not bothered about LIV/PGA tour . It really makes no difference to us we are still going to love golf.
Only one problem, and it's a major one that led to the LIV creation. That's ownership of the media rights of the players. That was one of Phil's biggest complaints.
It's a bit of an amalgam of a number of issues. PGA TV viewship is tanking. Less exposure equals less bang for buck for sponsors. With so many names gone to LIV the PGA appears dull. The start of this year was largely unknown first time winners for weeks. Nice for them, but doesn't pull in audiences. The rise of YT golf viewship is also having an impact. Particularly now we can regularly see the likes of Bryson, Sergio, Rahmbo and Phil M; but we can't see the PGA guys due to image rights. I now watch YT, a bit of LIV, and the majors
What LIV does right is that its the same top field playing every week in and week out. I think that trumps the lesser PGA Tour events where you hardly ever see more than 3 or 4 of the top 30 players. I do agree that LIV is perhaps too "closed". I would like to see squads of 5 for example, when you as a team captain can select the 4 players for an event. Maybe also have a wild card team that changes weekly. The biggest gripe I have with hokf media including youtube alternate media is that for some reason really actually aknowleding LIV when discussing it is setiously lacking. Its like there is this virtue signalling going on where you have to talk about LIV as some golf league happening on another planet to that no one has proper information on. Things like "I think Rahm plays for a team called Legion 13” like seriously. Too many golf journalists and content creators are trying too hard to keep their PGA links healthy for the gowth of their channels and in the process they are making a mockery of their golf coverage for the average golf fan. I'm waiting for the moment that LIV catches onto the golf creator scene to see how some if these guys will quickly change their tune.
DP world tour exec is heading down the right path by using the ICC model. Disney and Viacom paid over $6 billion USD for the broadcast rights 2023-27 for the IPL in India alone. This competition attracts the best cricketers in the world without interfering with other cricket competitions.
The second theory sounds more realistic. I thought the non signature events were unwatchable and uninteresting because no names competing. They should replace some of these events with combined PGA/ Liv events. Dropping these event sponsors would be commish’s biggest problem that’s why it’s taking so long.
The ICC has world rankings, but there's more than one rank since they play 3 different versions of the sport. The world golf rankings will need a no.1 stroke play...no.1 match play etc etc
There are multiple ways this can work. Likely LIV will have 2 full time members on a team, their biggest names, then they have two open positions for their events. Players will be able to come in and out and play events. LIV my guess will wind back to about 10 events a year with events where they work. This will help add profile to LIV and allow some of the never "livers" still say they are playing invitational events. For the captains and hard core LIV guys who own the teams like Smith/Bryson, will probably play a few PGA events when it suits leading into majors and where they have former sponsors. The schedule will be set up so the two don't clash for big events. LIV will be the dominant product in the Northern hemisphere off season, with a trip to SA as well as Australia / middle East. A few US and European (England/Spain) will be salted into the peak season. What really will matter to us in countries like Australia is that as we move towards a proper world tour, that ranking points are a real global thing, this will give players a reason to come to some of the most famous opens around the world before PGAT turned golf into a stadium circuit circus where if you were not playing on PGAT it did not matter. Politics will be trumped by $$$$$ for those who are confused.
So many layers to this topic. The FedEx Fall has basically become a Q School for the players who aren't locked into the top 125. Ya think that's why Sanderson Farms, Shriners, etc., are dropping out? Sponsors aren't getting an attractive ROI when Rahm, Bryson, Brooks et al, are gone. That's also part of the reason TV viewership is down in addition to the broadcasts being inundated with commercials due to what the PGA Tour charged the networks for media rights. Most professional golfers, at the higher levels, don't want to play more than 18 to 22 events in a year. How does that equate to January to December golf? Coming up with a model where the players can move around and play different leagues when they choose will be a major challenge. And then there's the TGL(Tiger and Rory's simulator league on ESPN) that's scheduled to begin this January. Will sponsorships go away with the injection of billions of dollars from the PIF? Golf hasn't always had corporate sponsorship of events. Look back 40 or 50 years 🤔
When I started watching golf in the 90s. All the best Europeans played on the European tour. All the best Americans played on the PGA tour. And then for the big tournaments and majors they all mixed. Apperance-money was often paid to get an american star to come play a mid-level event in Europe and vice versa. Its been done before.
Arguing that the owgr isn’t dragging their feet for leverage makes you lose so much credibility. There are precedents of tours getting points from owgr for literally everything LIv does. Bryson has talked about it. Always super worried with anything that involves pga tour brass which even before LIv go from one mess to another, and each adjustment is worse than the last. As always I see LIv having their 10-12 events with mostly everyone playing every event. You could have a tiger or someone too old to play the whole seasons play as a wild card. But the single biggest best part of LIv is that everyone plays everything. The pga tour needs to drop its required events in half from 15 to 8. The big events will be full field. The smaller events will be opposite LIv events. They will have Thursday mostly to them selves. And if it’s a good event people will watch LIv and the opposite pga tour event. The DP world tour is fine as it is for the most part. They are a feeder tour to both the pga tour and LIv. They don’t require too many events. And they have big events late in the year which LIv and the pga tour do not. It’s perfect.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 not sure that many really want to play in the American tour. They want some select events only some want to play. But LIV will still be their tour.
They solve world ranking points per my other content, if LIV is say 10 events a year then the matched weeks these are on then the parallel PGAT/DP/Asian tour also don't have points only prize money...... that way there is true equity as the LIV players in theory can come back on play on the other tours in the other 42 weeks if they wanted too.
While that guy might have layed out potentially what a combined structure looks like there was no mention about the tens of millions or in some cases the hundreds of millions LIV paid out to their playing field [net net] to lure PGA golfers from the tour. Music and a shorter schedule and team spirit were just talking points IMO. It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.
Huge companies wont comtinue an expensive sponcership if they don't see returns. Golfers aren't running out to buy hondas. Advertising is in general a scam you get poor returns on. We all skip every youtube add as quick as we can.
The same way they give the other 3-4 tours points that are 54 holes Those tours are Mena Tour The Sunshine Big Easy tour Abema (Japan Challenge) Gira de golf professional Mexicana
As usual, you are discounting what LIV players might want. Do you really believe LIV players are willing to have all their tournaments from August to December. That schedule wouldn't give them a chance to get their game dialed in for the majors and may not allow them to set up the international tournaments where the audience is the largest. If this is truly a merger, the PGAT players should not get priority.
They have to merge if you watch pga now you need a program to know who’s playing ,no wonder one guy is winning most of the tournaments he only has to Beat about four guys to win ,don’t try to compare him to tiger at least tiger beat the whole field
There are only 15 - 20 players people want to see. They only want to play 15 tournaments a year. Do you even hear what you're saying?THINK. They're peddling b.s. and you're buying. 45 lavish tournaments around the world every year. Massive purses. WTF.
The PGA tour does not deserve the reverence it has falsely developed. This is based on their history of racial exclusion. Them selling out to the Saudis is much ado about nothing.
You tube golf is more fun to watch. There are no personalities left and the ones that are left are not shown. Lets see some clubs into the water. Xander seems cool and a few others but for the most part its dull. Pga needs younger leadership instead of the crusty morons.
I don't give a rats what they do. At this point I'm only interested in the majors. I enjoy college events and some yt golf more than the weekly bore of pro golf.
This is the beginning to the end of golf being watchable. Today, I love watching a PGA event. I wouldn’t watch a LIV event if I was paid to watch one. If this “Agreement” happens and there are weeks when there are LIV event and not a PGA event, I will look down on the PGA for caving in. If they allow LIV players to play in a PGA event, they failed PGA fans and every player who didn’t go to LIV. Leave them separate and fight for viewers. Every player that went to LIV knew what they were doing and should not get world ranking points. They traded the ability for get points for cash.
The PGA tour cant survive on its own now. if they walk away from the deal then PIF will just throw even more money at LIV until all the best are on the LIV tour. Private equity will walk away without the PIF doing a deal. You need to get used to it I think that a global tour will be happening. The majority of PGA tour events will be second rate events going forward. Only around 8-10 events a year will be worth watching.
LIV should join up with the DP WORLD Tour and instantly turn the PGA into a feeder tour for both , after all it's the PGA Tour that's destroying Golf which is why no one watches anymore. You seem to be clueless as to how and why the PGA was started in the first place , a group of players were sick of the corruption within the game, along with the complete disrespect of the players so exactly what the PGA has been doing for some years now. I advise you to watch the DP World Tour and LIV to not only understand but see for yourself how much better these Tours are compared to the boring PGA Tour and the uninteresting & robot like golfers that play on it. Pay particular interest to the massive difference in how these professional golfers interact with the crowd especially the kids. The PGA Tour and it's players have completely lost their way but hey at least J Monahan the head of this NON PROFIT organization made 22.5 million plus expenses last year didn't he 🙂
The fact that this guy said saying the name Farmers Insurance is almost synonymous with Torrey Pines just shows how near sighted you are. If you’ve been around long enough you’ve seen this before. Not quite as bad as Tick Shiels saying the roll face putter is going to change the game. Hey dummy, it was called the Tear Drop back in the day. All of the TH-cam guys are click bait jockeys
Give me one good reason why the PGAT needs LIV. And what is LIV. As seen by the American fans? It’s Dechambrau, Rahm, Koepka, and DJ. That’s LIV’s entire poker hand. They aren’t going to be taking any more big name players. They have no future player development program. LIV is gone in 3 years or less. Take those 4 back and charge them a penalty. Forget the rest. One deal. LIV fades away. The best LIV players return.
Most people who love golf are more bothered about playing golf and lowering their handicap they might watch the majors and ryder cup most people i know are not bothered about LIV/PGA tour . It really makes no difference to us we are still going to love golf.
Only one problem, and it's a major one that led to the LIV creation. That's ownership of the media rights of the players. That was one of Phil's biggest complaints.
Next contract will be different.
It's a bit of an amalgam of a number of issues.
PGA TV viewship is tanking. Less exposure equals less bang for buck for sponsors.
With so many names gone to LIV the PGA appears dull. The start of this year was largely unknown first time winners for weeks. Nice for them, but doesn't pull in audiences.
The rise of YT golf viewship is also having an impact. Particularly now we can regularly see the likes of Bryson, Sergio, Rahmbo and Phil M; but we can't see the PGA guys due to image rights.
I now watch YT, a bit of LIV, and the majors
What LIV does right is that its the same top field playing every week in and week out. I think that trumps the lesser PGA Tour events where you hardly ever see more than 3 or 4 of the top 30 players. I do agree that LIV is perhaps too "closed". I would like to see squads of 5 for example, when you as a team captain can select the 4 players for an event. Maybe also have a wild card team that changes weekly.
The biggest gripe I have with hokf media including youtube alternate media is that for some reason really actually aknowleding LIV when discussing it is setiously lacking. Its like there is this virtue signalling going on where you have to talk about LIV as some golf league happening on another planet to that no one has proper information on. Things like "I think Rahm plays for a team called Legion 13” like seriously. Too many golf journalists and content creators are trying too hard to keep their PGA links healthy for the gowth of their channels and in the process they are making a mockery of their golf coverage for the average golf fan. I'm waiting for the moment that LIV catches onto the golf creator scene to see how some if these guys will quickly change their tune.
DP world tour exec is heading down the right path by using the ICC model. Disney and Viacom paid over $6 billion USD for the broadcast rights 2023-27 for the IPL in India alone. This competition attracts the best cricketers in the world without interfering with other cricket competitions.
Do we really need 12 months of Professional Golf? Maybe 9 months!
The second theory sounds more realistic. I thought the non signature events were unwatchable and uninteresting because no names competing. They should replace some of these events with combined PGA/ Liv events. Dropping these event sponsors would be commish’s biggest problem that’s why it’s taking so long.
PGA played hard ball with sponsors for years, they no longer have a premium product and companies will find other ways to spend their marketing $$$.
The ICC has world rankings, but there's more than one rank since they play 3 different versions of the sport. The world golf rankings will need a no.1 stroke play...no.1 match play etc etc
Might need to.actually play some match play events before we need to worry about that...
There are multiple ways this can work. Likely LIV will have 2 full time members on a team, their biggest names, then they have two open positions for their events. Players will be able to come in and out and play events. LIV my guess will wind back to about 10 events a year with events where they work. This will help add profile to LIV and allow some of the never "livers" still say they are playing invitational events. For the captains and hard core LIV guys who own the teams like Smith/Bryson, will probably play a few PGA events when it suits leading into majors and where they have former sponsors. The schedule will be set up so the two don't clash for big events. LIV will be the dominant product in the Northern hemisphere off season, with a trip to SA as well as Australia / middle East. A few US and European (England/Spain) will be salted into the peak season. What really will matter to us in countries like Australia is that as we move towards a proper world tour, that ranking points are a real global thing, this will give players a reason to come to some of the most famous opens around the world before PGAT turned golf into a stadium circuit circus where if you were not playing on PGAT it did not matter. Politics will be trumped by $$$$$ for those who are confused.
So many layers to this topic. The FedEx Fall has basically become a Q School for the players who aren't locked into the top 125. Ya think that's why Sanderson Farms, Shriners, etc., are dropping out? Sponsors aren't getting an attractive ROI when Rahm, Bryson, Brooks et al, are gone. That's also part of the reason TV viewership is down in addition to the broadcasts being inundated with commercials due to what the PGA Tour charged the networks for media rights. Most professional golfers, at the higher levels, don't want to play more than 18 to 22 events in a year. How does that equate to January to December golf? Coming up with a model where the players can move around and play different leagues when they choose will be a major challenge. And then there's the TGL(Tiger and Rory's simulator league on ESPN) that's scheduled to begin this January. Will sponsorships go away with the injection of billions of dollars from the PIF? Golf hasn't always had corporate sponsorship of events. Look back 40 or 50 years 🤔
When I started watching golf in the 90s. All the best Europeans played on the European tour. All the best Americans played on the PGA tour. And then for the big tournaments and majors they all mixed. Apperance-money was often paid to get an american star to come play a mid-level event in Europe and vice versa. Its been done before.
52 weeks in a year
4 majors
16 weeks of PGA
16 weeks of LIV
16 weeks of DP world
That’s got to be a starting point for the brand new schedule
LIv only needs 10-12 events imo.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 LIV could expand with more events in Japan and Australia…. DP would focus on Europe and the middle east
interesting take!
Arguing that the owgr isn’t dragging their feet for leverage makes you lose so much credibility. There are precedents of tours getting points from owgr for literally everything LIv does. Bryson has talked about it.
Always super worried with anything that involves pga tour brass which even before LIv go from one mess to another, and each adjustment is worse than the last.
As always I see LIv having their 10-12 events with mostly everyone playing every event. You could have a tiger or someone too old to play the whole seasons play as a wild card. But the single biggest best part of LIv is that everyone plays everything.
The pga tour needs to drop its required events in half from 15 to 8.
The big events will be full field.
The smaller events will be opposite LIv events. They will have Thursday mostly to them selves. And if it’s a good event people will watch LIv and the opposite pga tour event.
The DP world tour is fine as it is for the most part. They are a feeder tour to both the pga tour and LIv. They don’t require too many events. And they have big events late in the year which LIv and the pga tour do not.
It’s perfect.
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The problem is that the top tier players want to play less and the PGA Tour is actually adding mandatory tournaments
Imagine Tiger playing on a LIV golf event!! Or a team of Tiger, Scotty, and Rory 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Yeah Golf’s night out!!!! You guys rock
Because Tommy's rumored to liv
I think he means they will have individual team events but not a season long team competition.
You need to discuss if the LIV players actually want to play on the PGA tour.
Many do. Most of them do. The guys that really only want just LIv and majors are very few.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 not sure that many really want to play in the American tour. They want some select events only some want to play. But LIV will still be their tour.
@@Greatwhiteshark67 LIv will be an elite world tour for everyone. Everyone will eventually want to be on it.
They solve world ranking points per my other content, if LIV is say 10 events a year then the matched weeks these are on then the parallel PGAT/DP/Asian tour also don't have points only prize money...... that way there is true equity as the LIV players in theory can come back on play on the other tours in the other 42 weeks if they wanted too.
While that guy might have layed out potentially what a combined structure looks like there was no mention about the tens of millions or in some cases the hundreds of millions LIV paid out to their playing field [net net] to lure PGA golfers from the tour. Music and a shorter schedule and team spirit were just talking points IMO. It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.
Monohan=Moron=no deal
Huge companies wont comtinue an expensive sponcership if they don't see returns. Golfers aren't running out to buy hondas. Advertising is in general a scam you get poor returns on. We all skip every youtube add as quick as we can.
If LIV was suddenly given world ranking points how would they weight the LIV tournaments ?
Just look at the countless rankings systems that are including LIv to get an idea.
The same way they give the other 3-4 tours points that are 54 holes
Those tours are
Mena Tour
The Sunshine Big Easy tour
Abema (Japan Challenge)
Gira de golf professional Mexicana
Imagine if every college football player had to PAY 6000 to try out !
As usual, you are discounting what LIV players might want. Do you really believe LIV players are willing to have all their tournaments from August to December. That schedule wouldn't give them a chance to get their game dialed in for the majors and may not allow them to set up the international tournaments where the audience is the largest. If this is truly a merger, the PGAT players should not get priority.
Is LIV paying sponsors of the PGA to leave? MOST LIKELY!
Viewership is down because no Tiger Woods as well
Don’t even watch golf anymore, what a disaster.
I play less and less every year.,
I think I may just give it up,
What would happen if LIV became the title sponsor of the Shriners, then Shriners Hospitals is their principle charity??????
They have to merge if you watch pga now you need a program to know who’s playing ,no wonder one guy is winning most of the tournaments he only has to Beat about four guys to win ,don’t try to compare him to tiger at least tiger beat the whole field
There are only 15 - 20 players people want to see. They only want to play 15 tournaments a year. Do you even hear what you're saying?THINK. They're peddling b.s. and you're buying. 45 lavish tournaments around the world every year. Massive purses. WTF.
@@AnthonyTrujillo-d2s there's around 120 players , men and women, that I love watching/following all the time, across 16 different tours
The PGA tour does not deserve the reverence it has falsely developed. This is based on their history of racial exclusion.
Them selling out to the Saudis is much ado about nothing.
This will be the death of televised golf as we know it.
You tube golf is more fun to watch. There are no personalities left and the ones that are left are not shown. Lets see some clubs into the water. Xander seems cool and a few others but for the most part its dull. Pga needs younger leadership instead of the crusty morons.
I don't give a rats what they do. At this point I'm only interested in the majors. I enjoy college events and some yt golf more than the weekly bore of pro golf.
This is the beginning to the end of golf being watchable. Today, I love watching a PGA event. I wouldn’t watch a LIV event if I was paid to watch one. If this “Agreement” happens and there are weeks when there are LIV event and not a PGA event, I will look down on the PGA for caving in. If they allow LIV players to play in a PGA event, they failed PGA fans and every player who didn’t go to LIV. Leave them separate and fight for viewers. Every player that went to LIV knew what they were doing and should not get world ranking points. They traded the ability for get points for cash.
The PGA tour cant survive on its own now. if they walk away from the deal then PIF will just throw even more money at LIV until all the best are on the LIV tour. Private equity will walk away without the PIF doing a deal. You need to get used to it I think that a global tour will be happening. The majority of PGA tour events will be second rate events going forward. Only around 8-10 events a year will be worth watching.
LIV should join up with the DP WORLD Tour and instantly turn the PGA into a feeder tour for both , after all it's the PGA Tour that's destroying Golf which is why no one watches anymore.
You seem to be clueless as to how and why the PGA was started in the first place , a group of players were sick of the corruption within the game, along with the complete disrespect of the players so exactly what the PGA has been doing for some years now.
I advise you to watch the DP World Tour and LIV to not only understand but see for yourself how much better these Tours are compared to the boring PGA Tour and the uninteresting & robot like golfers that play on it. Pay particular interest to the massive difference in how these professional golfers interact with the crowd especially the kids.
The PGA Tour and it's players have completely lost their way but hey at least J Monahan the head of this NON PROFIT organization made 22.5 million plus expenses last year didn't he 🙂
The fact that this guy said saying the name Farmers Insurance is almost synonymous with Torrey Pines just shows how near sighted you are. If you’ve been around long enough you’ve seen this before. Not quite as bad as Tick Shiels saying the roll face putter is going to change the game. Hey dummy, it was called the Tear Drop back in the day. All of the TH-cam guys are click bait jockeys
Give me one good reason why the PGAT needs LIV. And what is LIV. As seen by the American fans? It’s Dechambrau, Rahm, Koepka, and DJ. That’s LIV’s entire poker hand. They aren’t going to be taking any more big name players. They have no future player development program. LIV is gone in 3 years or less. Take those 4 back and charge them a penalty. Forget the rest. One deal. LIV fades away. The best LIV players return.
Liv golf = we bought golf. If they merge I'll switch off altogether
Its because the Pga tour is shitty, boring, and liv is fun to watch.
Liv is fun to watch eh?
@@nickcharli1025it really is. Unless people are committed to not liking it.
Agree. Only majors and players are fun. imo
I win