it was for me the best timing on arrival... I was into each of these guys other projects before they joined together in that version of King Crimson.... it was perfect timing
Fripp himself said that he does not like the album "In The Wake of Poseidon" because it's just a rehash copy of the first album... I think it's awesome, but I can see his point.
The current KC sure has nostalgia in it, playing "the hits" thruout KC history. It's still really great, saw them in Prague 2017, but it lacks the surprise of previous incarnations. Thrak is underrated, songs like One Time, Dinosaur and Walking on Air should be playing on radio stations around the world.
The current King Crimson is very relevant to what Dr Bruford spoke about in his lecture on the change occurring in the music industry. How fans wish to pay a ticket to see a band they like with the expectation to see their favourite hits played live. Bands now make the most money through live performances and tours rather than album sales. Therefore they need to pander to what the audiences want. Experimental new stuff, for a aged fan base like KC, wouldn’t attract sell out crowds sadly. As a young fan I’d love to see KC strip it back down to a four piece like we saw in the 1980s.
@@georgeclayton I get what you’re saying how the aging Crim fans just want the hits. I do though think Crim could attract new young fans if they hired some younger musicians, especially some of the great young women musicians around. I’m a 65 year old guy fan and think King Crimson shouldn’t hire just 65 year old guys. (Good to hear you’re a younger fan, George! Need more of you.)
@@chrisjazzhands5373 That's a great idea Chris. I'm reminded of Steely Dan who are about to embark on a tour in combination with modern jazz fusion band Snarky Puppy. They must of got the idea from you!
I saw this tour front row on the opening night of this tour at Amherst college , California guitar trio opened .Brian Eno kept walking by us before the show , he was a sound man, absolutely stunning sound and phenomenal interplay .best sounding concert i ever heard. You could hear a pin drop when they paused. Great memory Thanx guys
Totally agree with Mr. Bruford about the variety in each album, that's what makes special the music of King Crimson. Each time it's a different entity.
Fripp, Belew, Levin and Bruford is also my favorit combinaison for King Crimson but i can't help remembering John Wetton. May he rest in peace. Bill Bruford has been my favorit drummer for more than 40 yrs. I love my Bill 🤗
I saw the Thrak tour. Very full sound with 6 accomplished musicians onstage who all enjoy tinkering with sound and time signatures. Was my 8th time to see Bill perform with different bands and or line ups since 1974.
Bruford talking about you "never knew what you're going to get with each album"...Despite being a big fan and despite being a musician and intimately knowledgeable about their discography...I never considered how absolutely different every album is! Comparing In the Wake of Poseidon Vs Lizard or Starless and Bible black vs Red ...It's truly amazing pondering their diversity of sound. Saw them a few times; Proud to say I did...
I saw the note that went by during this clip: "pure blissful ear abuse" pretty much says it all. I saw them in Boston last year & I felt pretty pummeled by the time I left. But it was having been pummeled in a good way ;-)
This certainly doesn't explain King Crimson, but it does very much raise the appetite. Parts of King Crimson's music are engraved in my mind, almost like body modifications. Fantastic band, that makes you question everything, bringing you on the very edges as well as the trivialities of life.
I loved Thrak and Vroom! I saw this tour at Le Grand Théatre de Québec, I was absolutely blown away by the double trio energy. I stayed out back after the show (something I never do) and behold you came out and I got to shake your hand and talk to you along with Tony. You were so very generous with your time and I never forgot it, I often mention it when talking about KC! When Mr. Fripp came out though some hippy showed up with a camera and started screaming towards you guys and in a flash my surreal meeting was over, you all entered the bus but my memory was forever engraved ! A prog head friend of mine always referred to you as a master of “rolls”, I agree totally! A few years later I saw Tony again at an edition of Drum Fest in Montreal, he was with Marotta, Levin and Gorn, there again I got to chat with Tony. I listened to Red today and of course Starless but One More Red Nightmare in out of this world ! Thank you for everything Mr. Bruford !!
All KC outings are cool in their own way. Check out "Fifty Shades Of Crimson" by Pete Tomsett if you haven't already - more Cim info (and related) than you could ever hope for. Excellently done.
Mr. Burford, how did you create the percussion sounds in the piece Nuages off of Three of a Perfect Pair? It's such a unique sound, and I would love to learn how to get those sounds from my SDS V!
I got to see the Discipline tour in the very early 80's.. It was (of course), absolutely AMAZING.. I was in my early 20's.. They also played a few off the upcoming "Three of a Perfect Pair" album.. Truly stunning.. The stage set was just a large heavy stage curtain behind the band that was bathed in a colored light so thick that it was like an atmosphere.. The color would change, but you would never notice it, until it was at it full color... Yeah, it was amazing all the way 'round..❣👍
Reminds me the DVD deja VROOOM with multi angles... but sadly can't figure how to change angles on computer (I've found a player that manage multi angles, but all stays greyed :( ) update, I've found a program, but it's on demo mode, and I don't want to pay just for viewing 1 DVD :) If you don't know, some tracks have multi angles, up to 6, and the sound mix change, focused on the artist centered.
The surround mix Is pretty cool because watch musician Is located in a very specific part for the whole concert and you really get the sensation of being in the middle with them
I like the way the Americans come across as down to earth and saying things as they are - like, it's just...music, right?; meanwhile, the Brits have to flower it all up with their sophisticated analogies and all that bollocks.
One can readily see the slippery slope from KC being driven by a single drummer, to having Adrian who can also play in choice moments, to having two actual drummers plus Adrian, to the more recent three-drummer lineup. I must say, I prefer a single drummer, and if it must be one, then I would prefer it be Bruford. With Bruford in retirement, my next preference would be Harrison on his own. I just didn't see the benefit of three drummers, one of whom I truly don't like and am always surprised by how much work he gets.
I think Steve Jordan would have been a great drummer for at least one King Crimson late 1980s early 1990s album, given his resumé. I mean, if you just take his stints with Keith Richards and Eyewitness with Steve Khan along with just his brilliant abilities as a drummer, it could have truly worked. Terry Bozzio would have been great, too.., but maybe that would have been a little too much just in terms of his overall style and grandiosity type of playing, even though Frank Zappa music was as challenging as well as equally quirky. Those are the only 2 drummers I think that could be as interesting as Bill Bruford within that King Crimson context.
"Before listening to King Crimson for the first time, one should take all preconceived notions of what music should sound like, and throw them out the window. One will certainly do so after hearing them for the first time."
i havent seen a lot of the Jamie Muir period so my favourite is the double trio live in Japan which i own on vhs unless i loaned it out and never got it back.
Ive always thought Robert Fripp should thank his lucky starz that he found Adrian Belew to sing and write lyrics for him. Without him..things would not be the same in the world of the Crims.....Levin and Bruford the most brilliant, but not singers or lyricists. Great thanks to Belew for making the first trilogy of albums the greatest of Prog....
Damn the TH-cam algorithm. How was it even possible I didn’t know the bill Bruford had a TH-cam channel😮. Anyway, my favorite comment he ever made about king crimson, and I forgot exactly where it was from, went something like this… “Everything you’ve heard about King Crimson is true. It was a terrifying place.“ 😂
Yes and Crimson. I am humbled before you. I wouldn’t be me if it wasn’t for those bands and others like them. Hearing them now you can hear their musical greatest but what you can’t hear is what some of us experienced. Hearing it for the 1st time. Nothing like anything you’ve ever heard before. That was the 60s and 70s. That’s what changed me. Thank you sir for your part.
Bill Bruford is the best drummer on the planet imo, and is second overall only to the great Gene Krupa, who was the greatest master of the off-beat ever. Bill is the greatest living master of the off-beat, and his work with Yes, King Crimson, Earthworks and Genesis are astonishing. I also rank Tres Cool of Green Day as one of the greats.
Years of following King Crimson I think the best course of action for the band would be to duct tape Fripp's mouth for interviews. I wonder how a down to earth John Wetton dealt with him for so long..
Sounds like a very difficult band to be in but oh what great music. Maybe us humans need to have a bit of grist to be truly great, plus talent and practise of course.
Thrak was a disappointing album for me in the sense that it was the first King Crimson album where they weren't surprising me anymore. Sure, the "Double Trio" line-up of the band is novel, but there's nothing new in the music, everything in it felt like it was either harkening back to 70's or 80's Crimson.
I disagree. I can see how on some of the album's more "normal" (relatively speaking) songs this line-up may seem like just an augmented version of the 80's line-up. You still have Belew energy out front, Bruford energy in the back, Levin energy down below, and Fripp energy emanating from whatever plane of existence that shit comes from, and then you just stack on a couple other guys. But then there are some songs that are really built on the double-trio architecture, that would have been impossible to perform or really even conceive of without that framework. Kind of like running a piece of software on a multi-threaded machine versus creating a piece of software that is specifically designed to optimally exploit a multi-threaded architecture (if that analogy is at all meaningful to you). Take for example the title track, Thrak. I once played a version of it for acoustic guitars as a part of Fripp's "Guitar Craft" ... movement(?) Anyway, at the start, half the band (one trio, in the original) is playing in 5 and the other is playing in 7. Every 35 notes they meet up at "one". Either part heard separately is pretty unremarkable, but the friction of those two tectonic plates sliding past each other create the overall soudquake. Later everyone is playing in five, but there are three groups this time and each are playing two notes on different beats (1&3, 1&4, 2&5, iirc). Again, none of the individual parts make much musical sense by themselves -- they sound a bit random and arbitrary -- but stacked on top of each other they start to swirl a very unique way. It's certainly possible that I've missed something in Crimson's earlier work that this "harkens back to", but to my ears Thrak was pretty damn fresh and brilliant, albeit frequently dissonant and "ugly to the ears".
I've never been able to find a way of listening that makes Adrian Belew's presence musically agreeable to me. Given King Crimson is a favourite band of mine this is disappointing and perplexing.
that's because he's over you head. You are unable to grasp is gift. Go put on one of your Wham albums, and look stare at the Ricky Martin poster hovering over your bed.
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Adrian Belew, Tony Levin, Robert Fripp, and Bill Bruford are in my humble opinion the best King Crimson lineup.
The most accessible, the longest running and the one that you don't need to encourage your friends to engage in bad behavior to *get*.
it was for me the best timing on arrival... I was into each of these guys other projects before they joined together in that version of King Crimson.... it was perfect timing
Absolutely true
Followed very closely by the Fripp, Wetton, Bruford lineup.
@@Glornt "Red" is amazing album...
"You never get 'another' King Crimson album. You get completely different one".
Brilliant definition for a great band.
"It's (almost) OK to be hip with King Crimson"
Fripp himself said that he does not like the album "In The Wake of Poseidon" because it's just a rehash copy of the first album... I think it's awesome, but I can see his point.
The current KC sure has nostalgia in it, playing "the hits" thruout KC history. It's still really great, saw them in Prague 2017, but it lacks the surprise of previous incarnations. Thrak is underrated, songs like One Time, Dinosaur and Walking on Air should be playing on radio stations around the world.
The current King Crimson is very relevant to what Dr Bruford spoke about in his lecture on the change occurring in the music industry. How fans wish to pay a ticket to see a band they like with the expectation to see their favourite hits played live. Bands now make the most money through live performances and tours rather than album sales. Therefore they need to pander to what the audiences want. Experimental new stuff, for a aged fan base like KC, wouldn’t attract sell out crowds sadly. As a young fan I’d love to see KC strip it back down to a four piece like we saw in the 1980s.
Unfortunately King Crimson ended last December
@@georgeclayton I get what you’re saying how the aging Crim fans just want the hits. I do though think Crim could attract new young fans if they hired some younger musicians, especially some of the great young women musicians around. I’m a 65 year old guy fan and think King Crimson shouldn’t hire just 65 year old guys. (Good to hear you’re a younger fan, George! Need more of you.)
@@rzLl_pz5
That’s never for sure.
@@chrisjazzhands5373 That's a great idea Chris. I'm reminded of Steely Dan who are about to embark on a tour in combination with modern jazz fusion band Snarky Puppy. They must of got the idea from you!
I saw this tour front row on the opening night of this tour at Amherst college , California guitar trio opened .Brian Eno kept walking by us before the show , he was a sound man, absolutely stunning sound and phenomenal interplay .best sounding concert i ever heard. You could hear a pin drop when they paused. Great memory Thanx guys
Never heard of Eno working sound for Crimson... anyway, I saw the 1995 and 1996 tours as well and can concur the Double Trio was a scorcher live.
Totally agree with Mr. Bruford about the variety in each album, that's what makes special the music of King Crimson. Each time it's a different entity.
Fripp, Belew, Levin and Bruford is also my favorit combinaison for King Crimson but i can't help remembering John Wetton. May he rest in peace. Bill Bruford has been my favorit drummer for more than 40 yrs. I love my Bill 🤗
Red is Bruford’s favourite album, and mine!
I saw the Thrak tour. Very full sound with 6 accomplished musicians onstage who all enjoy tinkering with sound and time signatures. Was my 8th time to see Bill perform with different bands and or line ups since 1974.
Bruford talking about you "never knew what you're going to get with each album"...Despite being a big fan and despite being a musician and intimately knowledgeable about their discography...I never considered how absolutely different every album is! Comparing In the Wake of Poseidon Vs Lizard or Starless and Bible black vs Red ...It's truly amazing pondering their diversity of sound.
Saw them a few times; Proud to say I did...
I saw you during this tour in Washington DC. Outstanding concert!
I saw the note that went by during this clip: "pure blissful ear abuse" pretty much says it all. I saw them in Boston last year & I felt pretty pummeled by the time I left. But it was having been pummeled in a good way ;-)
This certainly doesn't explain King Crimson, but it does very much raise the appetite.
Parts of King Crimson's music are engraved in my mind, almost like body modifications. Fantastic band, that makes you question everything, bringing you on the very edges as well as the trivialities of life.
I loved Thrak and Vroom! I saw this tour at Le Grand Théatre de Québec, I was absolutely blown away by the double trio energy. I stayed out back after the show (something I never do) and behold you came out and I got to shake your hand and talk to you along with Tony. You were so very generous with your time and I never forgot it, I often mention it when talking about KC! When Mr. Fripp came out though some hippy showed up with a camera and started screaming towards you guys and in a flash my surreal meeting was over, you all entered the bus but my memory was forever engraved ! A prog head friend of mine always referred to you as a master of “rolls”, I agree totally! A few years later I saw Tony again at an edition of Drum Fest in Montreal, he was with Marotta, Levin and Gorn, there again I got to chat with Tony. I listened to Red today and of course Starless but One More Red Nightmare in out of this world ! Thank you for everything Mr. Bruford !!
All KC outings are cool in their own way. Check out "Fifty Shades Of Crimson" by Pete Tomsett if you haven't already - more Cim info (and related) than you could ever hope for. Excellently done.
Adrián was in Mar del Plata, Argentina, i'd love to see It with You , Bill, greetings, from the another side of the world.
I love Thrak!
I like the song "Sex, Sleep, Eat, Dream, Drink" so much!!!!!! Long live King Crimson!...and Bill...you are a G-E-N-I-U-S!!!!!!
A fantastic album ⚡️
I was just about to turn 23 when a couple of drummer friends and I saw KC at the HoB in NoLa in 95. Amazing show.
My favorite King Crimson album & tour.
Best chin in music.
Mr. Burford, how did you create the percussion sounds in the piece Nuages off of Three of a Perfect Pair? It's such a unique sound, and I would love to learn how to get those sounds from my SDS V!
I got to see the Discipline tour in the very early 80's.. It was (of course), absolutely AMAZING.. I was in my early 20's.. They also played a few off the upcoming "Three of a Perfect Pair" album.. Truly stunning.. The stage set was just a large heavy stage curtain behind the band that was bathed in a colored light so thick that it was like an atmosphere.. The color would change, but you would never notice it, until it was at it full color... Yeah, it was amazing all the way 'round..❣👍
I was at the first US show. October 29, 1981 in Boston at The Metro. Great show!
what a band.
I think it's still ok to be ok w/ King Crimson
Oh it's very freaking ok!
Reminds me the DVD deja VROOOM with multi angles... but sadly can't figure how to change angles on computer (I've found a player that manage multi angles, but all stays greyed :( )
update, I've found a program, but it's on demo mode, and I don't want to pay just for viewing 1 DVD :)
If you don't know, some tracks have multi angles, up to 6, and the sound mix change, focused on the artist centered.
The surround mix Is pretty cool because watch musician Is located in a very specific part for the whole concert and you really get the sensation of being in the middle with them
Maestro Bill
I like the way the Americans come across as down to earth and saying things as they are - like, it's just...music, right?; meanwhile, the Brits have to flower it all up with their sophisticated analogies and all that bollocks.
One can readily see the slippery slope from KC being driven by a single drummer, to having Adrian who can also play in choice moments, to having two actual drummers plus Adrian, to the more recent three-drummer lineup. I must say, I prefer a single drummer, and if it must be one, then I would prefer it be Bruford. With Bruford in retirement, my next preference would be Harrison on his own. I just didn't see the benefit of three drummers, one of whom I truly don't like and am always surprised by how much work he gets.
Which drummer do you not like?
@@themagnanimous1246 Would rather not say, as it's just my opinion. But one o the 3 gets a lot of work and my eyes and ears can't tell me why.
Agreed. Saw them in September, and as neat as the 3 drummer thing was, I definitely would have traded in all three for one Bruford.
@@mattc4970 Yes, One drummer and add violin, flute and sax.
I think Steve Jordan would have been a great drummer for at least one King Crimson late 1980s early 1990s album, given his resumé. I mean, if you just take his stints with Keith Richards and Eyewitness with Steve Khan along with just his brilliant abilities as a drummer, it could have truly worked. Terry Bozzio would have been great, too.., but maybe that would have been a little too much just in terms of his overall style and grandiosity type of playing, even though Frank Zappa music was as challenging as well as equally quirky. Those are the only 2 drummers I think that could be as interesting as Bill Bruford within that King Crimson context.
Those were the days when music television made actual television.
Bruford is a genius
"Before listening to King Crimson for the first time, one should take all preconceived notions of what music should sound like, and throw them out the window. One will certainly do so after hearing them for the first time."
Dinosaur is my favorite Crimson song.
I strongly recommend you to watch the BBC4 documentary : Prog Rock Britannia an Observation in Three Movements.
Robert Fripp= serious confict
i havent seen a lot of the Jamie Muir period so my favourite is the double trio live in Japan which i own on vhs unless i loaned it out and never got it back.
Ive always thought Robert Fripp should thank his lucky starz that he found Adrian Belew to sing and write lyrics for him. Without him..things would not be the same in the world of the Crims.....Levin and Bruford the most brilliant, but not singers or lyricists. Great thanks to Belew for making the first trilogy of albums the greatest of Prog....
"You don't know what you're going to get." ...except that somehow, perhaps inexplicably, it WILL be "King Crimson."
Damn the TH-cam algorithm. How was it even possible I didn’t know the bill Bruford had a TH-cam channel😮.
Anyway, my favorite comment he ever made about king crimson, and I forgot exactly where it was from, went something like this… “Everything you’ve heard about King Crimson is true. It was a terrifying place.“ 😂
if stranded on a desert island with the catalog of one band
who would it be ?
Yes and Crimson. I am humbled before you. I wouldn’t be me if it wasn’t for those bands and others like them. Hearing them now you can hear their musical greatest but what you can’t hear is what some of us experienced. Hearing it for the 1st time. Nothing like anything you’ve ever heard before. That was the 60s and 70s. That’s what changed me. Thank you sir for your part.
Bill Bruford is the best drummer on the planet imo, and is second overall only to the great Gene Krupa, who was the greatest master of the off-beat ever. Bill is the greatest living master of the off-beat, and his work with Yes, King Crimson, Earthworks and Genesis are astonishing. I also rank Tres Cool of Green Day as one of the greats.
King Crimson is Robert Fripp plus various others
"Others" sounds like a little bit low reputation for established players like Bruford or Levin.
Years of following King Crimson I think the best course of action for the band would be to duct tape Fripp's mouth for interviews. I wonder how a down to earth John Wetton dealt with him for so long..
💜🤘🏿
Sounds like a very difficult band to be in but oh what great music.
Maybe us humans need to have a bit of grist to be truly great, plus talent and practise of course.
"There is no nostalgia whatsoever involved in King Crimson". Robert Fripp, 1995. Twenty years later: "Let's be a nostalgia band!"....
Radiohead are KC's moody nephews.
Thrak was a disappointing album for me in the sense that it was the first King Crimson album where they weren't surprising me anymore. Sure, the "Double Trio" line-up of the band is novel, but there's nothing new in the music, everything in it felt like it was either harkening back to 70's or 80's Crimson.
I disagree. I can see how on some of the album's more "normal" (relatively speaking) songs this line-up may seem like just an augmented version of the 80's line-up. You still have Belew energy out front, Bruford energy in the back, Levin energy down below, and Fripp energy emanating from whatever plane of existence that shit comes from, and then you just stack on a couple other guys.
But then there are some songs that are really built on the double-trio architecture, that would have been impossible to perform or really even conceive of without that framework. Kind of like running a piece of software on a multi-threaded machine versus creating a piece of software that is specifically designed to optimally exploit a multi-threaded architecture (if that analogy is at all meaningful to you).
Take for example the title track, Thrak. I once played a version of it for acoustic guitars as a part of Fripp's "Guitar Craft" ... movement(?) Anyway, at the start, half the band (one trio, in the original) is playing in 5 and the other is playing in 7. Every 35 notes they meet up at "one". Either part heard separately is pretty unremarkable, but the friction of those two tectonic plates sliding past each other create the overall soudquake. Later everyone is playing in five, but there are three groups this time and each are playing two notes on different beats (1&3, 1&4, 2&5, iirc). Again, none of the individual parts make much musical sense by themselves -- they sound a bit random and arbitrary -- but stacked on top of each other they start to swirl a very unique way.
It's certainly possible that I've missed something in Crimson's earlier work that this "harkens back to", but to my ears Thrak was pretty damn fresh and brilliant, albeit frequently dissonant and "ugly to the ears".
I've never been able to find a way of listening that makes Adrian Belew's presence musically agreeable to me. Given King Crimson is a favourite band of mine this is disappointing and perplexing.
that's because he's over you head. You are unable to grasp is gift.
Go put on one of your Wham albums, and look stare at the Ricky Martin poster hovering over your bed.
check out his power trio with the Slick's, or his work with the Bears.
I feel kind of the same way. I can't warm up to Belew.
That is perfectly fine - I adore him. It is silly to expect everyone to like a certain vocalist; nothing wrong with not liking or liking one too.
Unfortunate. He's my favorite Crimson singer (sorry Greg...you're still my favorite ELP singer).