@@joeyount6065 It's actually a requirement of the Geneva Conventions, that the 'High Contracting Parties' are obligated to search and try any person 'regardless of nationality' who has committed a war crime.
There’s a joke to be made about 7:36 not qualifying then. Clearly Seriously Lethal Hostage Taker: “Nobody move and it’ll work out.” Individual Entrusted to Represent His Entire Species in Galactic Politics: “Out of my way peasant, I’m too important to be waylai-“ *is shot immediately*
The Sexy Skywalker mainly due to programming errors. But the sepratist did not take normal clone troops prisoner. If you weren’t a commander or had intell then exicution
@@bigsby2822 not really, as a matter of fact it's far less inhuman that one used by the Republic. Both sides used deadly weapons of mass destruction and attacked/blocked/invaded neutral worlds. The difference is that CIS used mostly mindless battle droids, while Republic owned a Slave army bred and forced to fight in a war regardless of their will
@@wzdzysawzninosyn4905 one could argue that the droids are also sentient, as they meet all qualifications, including self-deterkination (they've been shown disobeying orders and needlessly desiring their own survival)
You know what the clone wars have alot of warcrimes but the reconquest of the rim by the republic/empire comes with triple the clone warcrimes all civilians are to be elimenated and no mercy
Actually, the war had been going on for over a month by that point and chronologically speaking, the Yoda episode takes place AFTER the movie pilot and Obi Wan committed a war crime by faking a surrender to Whorm Loathsom.
Dyslexic? You use this word but you do not know what it actually means. And Yoda was hardly crazy at this time. After years of Isolation on Dagobah he probably cracked a bit. Yoda and Yaddle shared a common speech pattern so It is more likely that their native language is structured in such a way that speaking basic is altered.
@@0IIIIII True, the Separatists are far more unethical than the Republic. Cripes, their head general is called General Grievous, who at one point commanded a ship called the Malevolence. Also can’t forget that episode where the Separatists tried to test an anti-organic-matter weapon on a village full of people later sending droids in to attack both the clones and civilians in an act of total warfare.
@@TheIroncladResearcher nope, they had accelerated aging so they had the physical body of an 18 year old but the but the mental age of 9. So basically a highly trained 9 year old with a body of an18 year old at least during the first battle of geonosis... I think
Uhm you are aware that it says "war crimes" in the title and that that's the whole point of the video? I don't really get why you're telling us something we already know
@@starmangalaxy2001 depends one which episode because the droids were originally just robots and nothing more but they changed it part way through the war
@@hedgehoginacanoe5838 Yeah I believe it was Episode 1 that they needed a Central command to operate, but due to failures it was changed to just having sentient but just very dumb droids with Tactical droids providing commands.
I remember hearing someone say that being charged with warcrimes is just being charged with losing, because everyone does it as part-and-parcel of fighting wars. Watching this, I certainly have a few moments of 'well what else were they supposed to do there?'
There is certainly truth in that. Often times the winner gets away with such things much easier. But there is also a bigger problem, that the international court in Den Haag is not recognized by all countries. The biggest opponents are of course China, Russia and.....the USA, who says no one but the Americans is aloud to judge them. The US actually has a law that is often referred to as the Den-Haag invasion Act, because it literally allows the president to invade to free a US citizen from the international court. And in many cases in the show, they did not have to commit war crimes, sometimes that would have meant surrender or defeat though, which is the generally idea. Its a morals/principles based idea. Restrain yourself not be too inhumane or crossing lines. And in some cases, its also with the motive of self-protection, like the rules for prisoner treatment. Basically , if I mistreat enemy prisoners, the enemy has no incentive to treat our captured soldiers any better. Or not using the white flag as a trap to win, because it breaks the trust in that flag and thus makes surrendering or negotiations harder in the future, because the enemy has no reason to trust you, so next time your side actually want to surrender or negotiate something, you just get gunned down. Or Padme acting as a diplomat, but then also a combatant as she likes, just means any diplomat has a much harder job or can get killed immediately, because your diplomats are clearly not just diplomats anymore. So these are mutually beneficial. Same with killing civilians. Problem is, if a side is very serious about winning this war, I mean, a war in general is already a very serious thing in itself, they might not just throw away options or accept loosing for moral superiority. Especially without a much stronger entity actually enforcing these laws, which the international court is definitely not. On a recent not though, the Afghanistan defeat for the US is a good example of these kind of actions and crossing lines too much can cost you moral superiority and thus lead to defeat. Because the US just killed waaaay too many civilians with their air stikes, while claiming to be the good guys. Of course the Afghan people are at best split between them and the Taliban. In the last years they pretty much were on even footing with the Taliban in civilian deaths caused. That is not gonna help you win. The US could have learned a lot from Star Wars in that regard. Mon Mothma threw Saw Gureras partisans out of the rebellion, because they killed too many civilians, which is bad if you want to win the hearts and minds of the people.
@@Jarnauga unfortunately we wouldn't get most of the cool moments or scenes of character development if star wars went by the rules of war. if anying it would just come off as another generic sci fi series.
Onaconda Farr turning on Gunray was more of a change of heart than a setup, and he says at the end of the episode that he made a mistake. Luring Padme into Rodia for execution, however, is a breach of trust.
They also forget, that emotionen of clones are controlled by implants, that were used for "66" against jedy and other war crimes against galactic civilians... It is not usual, to be controlled by implants, that make a monster from a man.
Also 'use of child soldiers' (which also applies to Ahsoka, who was fourteen when introduced, though the original plan was for her to be eleven, closer to Rex's age).
@Gmail com I found her age on wookiepedia Her birth date was mentioned in "the official star wars fact file" if I am correct She was born 36 bby, and tcw movie/first season takes place 22bby - that makes her 13/14 at that time
In the "trophying corpses" charge, (or whatever it was actually called) in General Grevious' base, those weren't corpses. They were statues of Grevious before he became a cyborg Edit: It has come to my attention that among other similar things, there are Palawan braids lined up. This is my fault. So. Yes, technically there is trophying.
@@VeebsterTV I wonder if he was obsessed or if he just missed the challenge fighting jedi without his enhancements would've been. Not that several didn't still challenge him of course, but unless you were incredibly skilled, you basically got 10 seconds to live.
@@fabiocaceres5193 while I agree with your assessment, the actual point was to make a joke I found funny and put it in the comments here because I enjoyed it and thought others would too. A point you have seemingly failed to recognize. r/whoosh
@@campbell9825 well I think your thinking it was more pro jedi at the beginning of the show and became less over time because it was never really Pro republic after all a lot of S1 episodes focused on the corruption in the senate as multiple people with connectiond to the separatist are in the senate including but not limited to tall guy with a broken nose, trade very much not a federation, and big boy 'the senate' plaps
@@zealousdoggo Your right as there was a lot of episodes on about the corruption and all that. But then again it followed the 501st and did they ever really lose a major battle in the show? In other media whole battalions and legions get wiped out often. In my opinion the fighting bits following the 501st is propaganda.
@@proleterriert8075 Tbf, the 501st was notorious for asymmetrical warfare and unusual tactics. Anakin was their general and I'm pretty sure casualties were high in the 501st as well, they just rarely lost.
@@user-br8ed4ly4u It might not be a war-crime to collect lightsabers per se but Grievous is well-known to collect lightsabers as trophies of Jedi he has slain and since each lightsaber is usually custom-made by the Jedi who owned it... it's easy enough to find out exactly whose blood is on his hands.
Wait it’s not the entire show? Since it was a war completely set up by the running government. Starting a war just for lols should probably be a war crime too. XD
Most of the Republic War Crimes were against Battle Droids and other Separatists who'd committed war crimes themselves plus the Republic War Crimes had to be done to save the lives of innocent people. The ones against the Talz were committed by Pantoran Chairman Cho without the approval of his allies and he was prevented from carrying them out even if he ruined the peace negotiations between his people and the Talz with his lust for war against them which he paid for later on with his life.
@@cheeto8278 I never said that the Republic was innocent, only that in Season 1, they came across as being better then the Separatists. Sorry if I wasn't clear on this point.
@@girlgarde Arguably the Republic using an army of enslaved child soldiers was the worst war crime in the Clone Wars, I mean the war was named after it after all.
Thats Exactlly the Problem with the Clone wars Ark, one sided Storys with clear preference for one side. Potraying every General in the Seperatist Army as Villain (Greedy, Mercyless or Grievous mode ). And i have no Problem with Grievous if every other General wouldn't be potrayed as evil.
@@nathanskeen5865 I second that. Although a better term would be "living shield", as they aren't humanoid in any way other than basic shape (Bipedal, have 2 arms and 2 legs, head, and torso).
@@jermasbiggestfan7796 that is sentience. Sentience, by definition, is to be "able to feel and perceive things." If you program a robot to feel fear, joy, sadness, regret (which battle droids show consistently) then you've programmed sentience. Sentience isn't inherently a biological concept.
@@mediocregamer2484 No, it absolutely isnt lmao. They are PROGRAMMED to react to inputs. Its not real, its not organic, it is completely synthetic. You gonna start saying your 5G Alexa connected refrigerator is sentient now? Lmao
He's actually a Tank Commander, and also he is overall commander of that force, most likely mechanized infantry, and he has overall control of that tank, since the commander can act as gunner on the tank as well. Although he did seem scared when Yoda was about to kill him, and could've surrendered, but Yoda executed them instead. But yes, you do have a point.
When it mentioned trophying corpses, I'm not sure droids would count. I don't really mean as a "machine intelligences aren't people" kind of thing. If you think about it machine bodies are vehicles being piloted by artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence which can be easily transferred to another vessel. So if anything, it's more like displaying captured equipment and resources as trophies.
You could argue the same for Biological life. If someone hacks of a body part in the star wars universe it doesn´t really matter as it can be replaced by cybernetics. So i don´t see the difference between the mechanical or biological trophies shown as war crime example. Seems right that they are treated equally
I feel Number 18 was the biggest one. After all, the clones weren't droids in the slightest. They were engineered to be sentient and thus were 100% exploited due to the circumstances of their birth. While some generals (i.e. Plo Koon, Anakin, Obi-Wan, etc.) treated their troops with due respect, they were the exception, not the norm. Many Generals were less experienced in combat and military tactics and didn't have the same prowess as those mentioned. Generals like Pong Krell (from the Umbara arc) among others either cared very little for clone lives or were absolutely unqualified as military leaders, constantly making tactical mistakes or suffering from poor planning, which resulted in even poorer conditions for troopers. This also was also exacerbated by hazardous deployments, like the battles of Geonosis, Felucia, Umbara, and many other exotic battlefields in the Outer Rim. All in all, while the creation of the clone army was definitely warranted, and the creation of such a formidable standing army gave the Republic its fighting chance, the circumstances of their formation, as well as the leadership that was executed throughout the course of the war, was certainly questionable and 100% illegal.
ghkerman the sad thing is, clones were more property than anything else in the eyes of most people especially high ranking officers and senators so the mistreatment of clones were less frowned upon
To add, regardless of the circumstances of the clone army's creation, the Kaminoans were still tasked with continuing to make more of them. It's quite disturbing that both the Senate and the Jedi seemed to be okay with it.
Defenseless because he was attacked while unarmed from inside his own vehicle AND if he was last droid in AAT.....he can shout fire all he wants, nothing will happen
Ah yes, the Geneva Convention, made to set up the rules of warfare as to prevent inhumane acts and tragic loss of life. Literally made to stop civilians and soldiers alike from suffering terrible events, and yet people act like it is a mere option to follow.
@@messerschmittME-262 Yeah they are to an extent “an option”. Countries do not have to follow them, they can do what ever they want, but like every set of rules there are both subjectively good and bad consequences for which ever path of war one chooses.
Ummm this really seems useless when it comes to killing droids. Robots ain’t got no rights, and killing while disguised? We break that in real life constantly
I don't know if it's right to laugh at this or not, but I absolutely love watching people react to "kids" shows like this particularly to these brutal scenes that by all accounts should be in a TV-14 or MA. The looks of shock on their faces and the questioning "Is this for kids?" just makes me laugh hysterically.
Yeah I noticed that too, when I saw that episode a few years ago. I like when producers of films and tv shows sneak in a little nod, toward other pop-culture film or TV shows. 😊
I recently learned the entire citadel arc in the later season was technically a huge war crime by the Republic, which of course makes me take some of these (not the obvious ones like killing a surrendering or defenseless enemy) even less seriously.
0:13 - Using Human Shields I've got mad respect for you for mentioning that about the droids. A lot of people find it uncomfortable to confront the fact that the droids are people too. Well, not REAL real, it's a show, but still.
That episode with the clones locked in a dead escape pod and the droids coming after them so the secret of the malevolence doesnt get out was fuckinf AWESOME and TERRIFYING and it’s literally a cartoon
The Inner Sphere: "It's okay. We won't judge. Hey, you want some nukes? We managed to hide a few from the phone company and they're kinda just sitting here, collecting dust."
@@throwawayaccountm1325 Lots of other clone wars clips on TH-cam, and pretty sure this counts as adequately altered under the guidelines. Makes sense though; better safe than sorry
The B1 commander was at his post in a tank, and did not surrender before Yoda attacked him. He was not “unarmed”, his weapon was the tank. He is a valid military target.
Few things about 'war crimes': Destroying lifeboats is not a war crime if they are A: engaged in combat or combat support operations, and B: have not surrendered. There is no part of the geneva convention that covers compelling an enemy to fire on their own, and even if there was, it wouldn't cover autonomous weapons like battle droids. Doubly so, you can shoot fleeing enemies who have not surrendered, they have to surrender to your custody and disarm to be protected, again, also wouldn't cover autonomous weapons like battle droids. Defenceless enemies is not a war crime either, they have to surrender or be non-combatants. Destroying warships that are disabled is not a war crime, attacking transports became legal as long as the transports contain war materials, armed or not, even if they carry civilians. Conversely, putting war materials on a civilian ship, with civilians IS a war crime. Fragging isn't a war crime, it's just a regular crime; and also an act of gross insubordination (which isn't a war crime). Medical ships is a grey area, you are supposed to tell them to surrender; at which point you take the crew and wounded as prisoners of war. The doctors cannot be taken and prisoners, but can remain with the wounded to care for them, you have to release them once the POW's are remitted to the care of your own doctors and they are no logner needed. If a medical transport flees when told to surrender, you can very much fire on it as per the rules of war. Same goes for a military medical facility, you have to demand surrender, if they refuse, you can take it by force. Unarmed enemies is not a war crime, especially autonomous things; droids would effectively be considered very advanced drones, not combatants. Hostages and refusing surrender are war crimes, as a hostage would count as a POW and be subject to POW protections. Failure to order an evac isn't a war-crime, though might be court-marshalable depending on circumstances. Killing unconscious or sleeping enemies is also perfectly OK. There's nothing about breaking alliances in the geneva convention either, so deciding against joining the separatists is kosher. Being that the viceroy is a civilian, he's not a POW, so torture is not a violation of the geneva convention either (nasty, huh?) Interestingly, while it is forbidden to use enemy uniforms, it's not the sort of thing where you get punished by a tribunal post war, but you can be summarily executed on the spot as a spy if caught in either plainclothes or an enemy uniform. Booby traps are only a war crime if they cause 'undue suffering' or could readily harm civilians, so a pit of lava that kills near instantly might not be 'undue suffering', depending on the tribunal's findings. Killing medics is permitted if they take hostile action, shouting 'kill them' is pretty hostile, so is operating death-traps. It's not a war crime to occupy neutral countries; however, it is a war crime for a neutral country to support a power without officially taking a side and declaring war on the other (this can easily be skirted around though). Slavery and conscription aren't war crimes; for slavery, that's a human rights violation; while conscription is allowed, but there have to be alternatives to military service, like working in essential factories or non-combat positions for conscientious objectors. Breaking that isn't a war crime though, it's a human rights violation. One you missed though; hiring mercenaries; it's a war crime to hire foreign nationals as combatants or saboteurs. But; the biggest point of all on war crimes is that both sides have to be signatories of the geneva convention, otherwise war crimes do not technically apply. That said, a non-signatory might be punished anyway if they lose badly in a war. Often the victors get away with their war crimes.
![11 Minutes of War Crimes [Star Wars Rebels]](/img/n.gif)
“War crimes? We are pirates, we don’t even know what that means !”
underrated
Even funnier when you consider unaligned factions overall scored the lowest on warcrimes
Can't have war crimes without a war
OPEN FIRE!
@@RedWolf34ef Well only if you consider droids sentient, which they aren't, so most Republic War Crimes don't count.
Hondo committing war crimes? He’s a pirate, he doesn’t even know what that means
😂😂😂
The only things he knows make him money
@@willowthesumner
Profit!
Hondo: Around here we call war crimes "encounter opportunities"
@@PlebNC Can't a harmless old pirate like myself make a little profit? It's not a war crime its a business opportunity! 😏
Enemy: *Does anything*
Anakin: Oh boy, it's warcrime o'clock.
XD
"I thought the winner was the one with the most points?"
Separatists: laughs in killing civilians and human shields
@@ruby_dragon4034
i mean, they are the bad guy. What do you expect?
...definitely not about a good guy acting like bad guy.
Oh hey fellow AC player :)
"Your nation CANT violate the Geneva Convention if you never signed it"
**taps forhead**
*Yavin Convention, according to the unfinished Crystal Crisis on Utapau arc
@@Uchiha-fi4ij wait, that's a thing?
Whats funny is in IRL they don't give a shit if you signed it or not, they still charge you for war crimes if you lose
@@joeyount6065 It's actually a requirement of the Geneva Conventions, that the 'High Contracting Parties' are obligated to search and try any person 'regardless of nationality' who has committed a war crime.
Your nation can’t violate the Geneva convention if it doesn’t exist in the first place
Remember kids!
*It’s not a war crime if you win!*
🤣
but this is actually true though
POV : You are USA
@@bugrakaan8620 Vatican city*
@@bugrakaan8620 lol
And this was just Season ONE!!!
Yeah, jesus christ...
Bombing civilians.... SO LITERALLY THE ENTIRETY OF WW II?
@@IronWarhorsesFun no they were “strategic bombings” to remove recruitable population from enemy manpower pool
@@propagandaoffice That's some excellent Military repurposing of words😁
Yes yes it was
“Very impressive. You’ve just destroyed seventeen defenseless Battle Droids without suffering a scratch.”
A Kend lol
"Eighteen, actually."
18, actually
i love how obi wan counted them, before annoying anakin. he is truly the master of sass
18 actually
It's not a war crime if they're not sentient
*taps forehead
Ageed.
There’s a joke to be made about 7:36 not qualifying then.
Clearly Seriously Lethal Hostage Taker: “Nobody move and it’ll work out.”
Individual Entrusted to Represent His Entire Species in Galactic Politics: “Out of my way peasant, I’m too important to be waylai-“ *is shot immediately*
Well the droids do act sentient, and often display a sense of fear- oh, you mean the senators. Fair enough then.
Jokes on you... battle droids would exhibit sentience later on in the war. Ironic.
The Sexy Skywalker mainly due to programming errors. But the sepratist did not take normal clone troops prisoner. If you weren’t a commander or had intell then exicution
“Killing medics”
Tf2 players: all I’m guilty of is being too cool and several war crimes
now this this is an underrated comment
Professionals have *standards*
as a demo/medic main, this is 100% accurate.
Technically, since the medic is armed, according to the laws of war killing one is fine.
same for battlefield players
the entire blue shadow virus arc was a war crime
@Broken Lord yes
u mean the blue shadow wirus
The entire CIS battle strategy is war crimes.
@@bigsby2822 not really, as a matter of fact it's far less inhuman that one used by the Republic. Both sides used deadly weapons of mass destruction and attacked/blocked/invaded neutral worlds. The difference is that CIS used mostly mindless battle droids, while Republic owned a Slave army bred and forced to fight in a war regardless of their will
@@wzdzysawzninosyn4905 one could argue that the droids are also sentient, as they meet all qualifications, including self-deterkination (they've been shown disobeying orders and needlessly desiring their own survival)
Begun the War Crimes have
Mmmm yes
forgot one, use of child soldiers. Jedi order, any scene with Asoka in this season, argubly the clones apply here 2.
Killing retreating enemies is not a war crime
number 26 aren't corpses, those are statues of himself.
You know what the clone wars have alot of warcrimes but the reconquest of the rim by the republic/empire comes with triple the clone warcrimes all civilians are to be elimenated and no mercy
I love how the first war crimes of the republic were comitted by Yoda, an old, crazy dyslexic frog...
Ketamine will do that to you
Thomas the Thermonuclear Bomb
do that to you, ketamine will. *HMMMMMM*
Actually, the war had been going on for over a month by that point and chronologically speaking, the Yoda episode takes place AFTER the movie pilot and Obi Wan committed a war crime by faking a surrender to Whorm Loathsom.
@@obitwokenobi9808 Yeah, I know, I was talking about the order of appearance, not chronologically. Oh boy, the jedi are the masters of crime
Dyslexic? You use this word but you do not know what it actually means. And Yoda was hardly crazy at this time. After years of Isolation on Dagobah he probably cracked a bit. Yoda and Yaddle shared a common speech pattern so It is more likely that their native language is structured in such a way that speaking basic is altered.
"I never considered Geneva Convention as a rule, more like a guideline"
Ha!
And like every guidline in existanc epeople decided to scroll all the way down and click I acceot and not read like one bit of it
Geneva Suggestion
Who is talking? The America Army?
@@andreaniccoli8669 No just some idiot on the internet
Moral of the story: If the enemy commits war crimes, do the same, but twice as much
Lmao u made me laugh
Haha ww2
Also the stories mostly follow Republic, so if we could see more of the bad guys and how they operate, they’d likely have additional war crimes
@@0IIIIII True, the Separatists are far more unethical than the Republic. Cripes, their head general is called General Grievous, who at one point commanded a ship called the Malevolence. Also can’t forget that episode where the Separatists tried to test an anti-organic-matter weapon on a village full of people later sending droids in to attack both the clones and civilians in an act of total warfare.
@@cutler_beckett mustache twirlers they were
Since Clones are slaves and both Ahsoka and every Clone trooper is underage, the whole show is just about war crimes
you know, FOR KIDS!
First of all, creating a whole army of cloned slave soldiers trained from birth should count as a war crime.
It’s Republic War Crime #18: Exploitation (of soldiers bred for war that are either adults or children depending on your POV)
That’s just a regular crime because genetic modification on humans is illegal in almost every country
They were only sent into combat at the age of 9
@@jeffreytsao7917 10 actually, biologically they were full-grown adults in their prime.
@@TheIroncladResearcher nope, they had accelerated aging so they had the physical body of an 18 year old but the but the mental age of 9. So basically a highly trained 9 year old with a body of an18 year old at least during the first battle of geonosis... I think
you missed use of children as soilders, ahsoka is like 14 at this point...
All the clones are also still technically children.
@@TheBenjaman they are slaves...
When you realize ahsoka is actually older than rex:
@@malcolmjenkins3585 Rexsoka intensifies
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 I'm sure UN peacekeepers tried that line before. Don't shoot we are peacekeepers not soldiers.
*Using human shields*
“That’s a droid....”
It has pain receptors #droidlivesmatter
kanankoipi 25
Design flaw, will be patched in the next update
Well the other droids consider it as their own and have to shoot through it so
@@cestyplarpis7947 they dont have to. They chose to. They could have went around but thez didnt
A droid programmed to be both sentient and sapient. They may be total morons, but they're still programmed to be alive.
The fact that grievous tells his men to commit a war crime because he "has a reputation to uphold" tells you everything you need to know.
Plus his name literally means terrible/horrific. Unspeakable war crimes come naturally!
@@bradleyadams5252 Could also be a specific direction from his master(s). He was quite honorable before being robotizicized.
Anakin commits war crime: kalm
General Greivous commits war crime:
Ten year old me: this is not *okie dokie*
How many Perfids has Anakin done lol
I have to argue about number 20, because we all know Jar-Jar has never been a non-combatant...!
*Sith music intensifies*
Meet the --sniper-- sith lord
MESA THE LORD OF THE SITH!
Also the battle of naboo
Meet the destroy droidekas on accident or so they say
He’s not a representative! He’s a plague!
Obviously practically everything Grievous did was a war crime. You know
He _does_ have a reputation to maintain, after all!
@@UGNAvalon "I still can't seem to hit anything!"
@@commanderpondscc-4112 *your free trail of life has ended*
Nagger 2003 grievous wouldn’t run, he wouldn’t even survive, he would fucking live.
Time to abandoned ship!
"Clone wars is a kid's show"
Clone wars:
Yea...
It’s not murder if it’s robots
*Shows a montage of people being killed*
@@invaderzimzim4561 they are sentient so…
Still a kids show
So how many war crimes you wan't in Clone Wars?
Dave Filoni: *Y E S*
Actually, grevious wasn’t trophying corpses, those are statues to his former life.
But ahsoka is a child soldier, so total crime count stays the same
C h i l d l a b o r
@@Scary_Snail129 hell yeah
He was. He had parts of Jedi bodies on display
Meanwhile Grievous and Dooku committing 90% of CIS warcrimes
And from the Republic, most are committed by Anakin or the Clones.
90% anakin
"Captain, they've got our fleet completely surrounded, what do we do?"
"Dump all the ammo in the water, then they can't legally blow us up"
I wonder if that would actually work.
That’s called surrendering
Dude thats surrending
Quick change into that dead guys clothes
2:24
1:01 "Target those escape pods. I have a reputation to uphold"
*quite literally commits a war crime*
I think that was the point.
Uhm you are aware that it says "war crimes" in the title and that that's the whole point of the video? I don't really get why you're telling us something we already know
@@dominikweber4305 stfu
@@Traveler_202 why u booin me i'm right!!
I'm always surprised by how stupid people are. What did you think when you wrote this shit
Okay, serious question: How do droids count as unarmed combatants? Aren't they military hardware?
That begs the question: are they sentient? Most droids *seem* to be sentient but it just could just be cheeky programming.
@@bigsby2822 Yes they are sentient but programming limits them on what to think. So... it's more like someone brain washed and then enlisted.
@@bigsby2822 Sentient, maybe, but incapable of emotion or feeling.
@@starmangalaxy2001 depends one which episode because the droids were originally just robots and nothing more but they changed it part way through the war
@@hedgehoginacanoe5838 Yeah I believe it was Episode 1 that they needed a Central command to operate, but due to failures it was changed to just having sentient but just very dumb droids with Tactical droids providing commands.
I remember hearing someone say that being charged with warcrimes is just being charged with losing, because everyone does it as part-and-parcel of fighting wars. Watching this, I certainly have a few moments of 'well what else were they supposed to do there?'
I would argue nearly every time they did have a choice.
There is certainly truth in that. Often times the winner gets away with such things much easier. But there is also a bigger problem, that the international court in Den Haag is not recognized by all countries. The biggest opponents are of course China, Russia and.....the USA, who says no one but the Americans is aloud to judge them. The US actually has a law that is often referred to as the Den-Haag invasion Act, because it literally allows the president to invade to free a US citizen from the international court.
And in many cases in the show, they did not have to commit war crimes, sometimes that would have meant surrender or defeat though, which is the generally idea. Its a morals/principles based idea. Restrain yourself not be too inhumane or crossing lines.
And in some cases, its also with the motive of self-protection, like the rules for prisoner treatment. Basically , if I mistreat enemy prisoners, the enemy has no incentive to treat our captured soldiers any better. Or not using the white flag as a trap to win, because it breaks the trust in that flag and thus makes surrendering or negotiations harder in the future, because the enemy has no reason to trust you, so next time your side actually want to surrender or negotiate something, you just get gunned down.
Or Padme acting as a diplomat, but then also a combatant as she likes, just means any diplomat has a much harder job or can get killed immediately, because your diplomats are clearly not just diplomats anymore. So these are mutually beneficial. Same with killing civilians.
Problem is, if a side is very serious about winning this war, I mean, a war in general is already a very serious thing in itself, they might not just throw away options or accept loosing for moral superiority. Especially without a much stronger entity actually enforcing these laws, which the international court is definitely not.
On a recent not though, the Afghanistan defeat for the US is a good example of these kind of actions and crossing lines too much can cost you moral superiority and thus lead to defeat. Because the US just killed waaaay too many civilians with their air stikes, while claiming to be the good guys. Of course the Afghan people are at best split between them and the Taliban. In the last years they pretty much were on even footing with the Taliban in civilian deaths caused. That is not gonna help you win. The US could have learned a lot from Star Wars in that regard. Mon Mothma threw Saw Gureras partisans out of the rebellion, because they killed too many civilians, which is bad if you want to win the hearts and minds of the people.
@@Jarnauga unfortunately we wouldn't get most of the cool moments or scenes of character development if star wars went by the rules of war. if anying it would just come off as another generic sci fi series.
Onaconda Farr turning on Gunray was more of a change of heart than a setup, and he says at the end of the episode that he made a mistake. Luring Padme into Rodia for execution, however, is a breach of trust.
True. Haha sorry for getting it wrong
Every scene with a clone on it should be marked "compelled to fight" or "slavery"
They also forget, that emotionen of clones are controlled by implants, that were used for "66" against jedy and other war crimes against galactic civilians... It is not usual, to be controlled by implants, that make a monster from a man.
@@denismakatsaria2624
Monster from a child*
Also 'use of child soldiers' (which also applies to Ahsoka, who was fourteen when introduced, though the original plan was for her to be eleven, closer to Rex's age).
@@princecharon well by eleven clones are adults so technically they aren't child soldiers
@@Bruh-hq1hx Apparently that depends very much on how one is defining 'adult,' because I was not talking about physical maturity.
“It is only a war crime … if you lose” - Sun Tsu
But if you win, it's just a strategy
@Broken Lord never heard of that story
-America, probably
Killing someone driving a tank was not considered a war crime as they literally were driving a weapon.
After the other crew have been killed and he wasn’t the driver he was the commander all he did was look out the hatch and give orders
@@Burnthealphabetpeople not a warcrime if it's a droid
26 isn’t a war crime general grievous just made statues of himself before he a cyborg
His taking lightsabers as trophies would definitely be one though.
@@DoctorLoudonclear that is a war crime but the video shows general grievous statues of himself
@@mrhouse6886 That's why I said "though" because it should have been included.
If I remember correctly he committed plenty of war crimes against a species called the Huk before his transformation into a cyborg
Are we going to ignore the fact that Ahsoka is 14 in season 1?
Usage of children in army is war crime I think
Jedi are masters being war criminals
The clones are children also
Yes, yes that is a war crime
@Gmail com I think there was canon mention of her age - birth date more precisely
If I am not wrong she is 14 in season 1,2 and 16 in season 3
@Gmail com I found her age on wookiepedia
Her birth date was mentioned in "the official star wars fact file" if I am correct
She was born 36 bby, and tcw movie/first season takes place 22bby - that makes her 13/14 at that time
In the "trophying corpses" charge, (or whatever it was actually called) in General Grevious' base, those weren't corpses. They were statues of Grevious before he became a cyborg
Edit: It has come to my attention that among other similar things, there are Palawan braids lined up. This is my fault. So. Yes, technically there is trophying.
^Was gonna say, I don’t think being obsessed with your glory days equals a war crime
@@VeebsterTV I wonder if he was obsessed or if he just missed the challenge fighting jedi without his enhancements would've been. Not that several didn't still challenge him of course, but unless you were incredibly skilled, you basically got 10 seconds to live.
@@shototodoroki6516
I Mean, in the 2008 show WITH the cybernetics, it's still a challenge for him.
Honestly, I don't even see how trophying corpses is wrong.
The person is already dead.
Its not banned for being harmful. Its banned for being taboo.
@@slyninja4444 I guess cause it causes unnecessary mental anguish to the people who see it.
Counting war crimes for a show called the clone WARS is like counting humans that breathe air.
I partly agree with your logic.
@@messerschmittME-262 And that’s all I need 😂
That's the point, this representa the decay of the Republic and the Jedi Order specially, the peacekeepers cometing war crimes
@@fabiocaceres5193 while I agree with your assessment, the actual point was to make a joke I found funny and put it in the comments here because I enjoyed it and thought others would too. A point you have seemingly failed to recognize.
r/whoosh
@@VincentGiza-Composer are you sure his response was not a "haha. by the way." but an "ackshually"?
Therapist: Helium grevious can’t hurt you, he isn’t real.
Helium grevious: 0:31
General Grievous be like *"target those escape pods ive got a reputation to uphold"*
About the droids they should be counted as weaponry not soldiers
Not when they’re capable of attaining sentience, given the proper conditions
@@agente5-sigma20 so they are abomination... Even worse then that.
The sentient ones are soldiers, the rest are weapons
@@agente5-sigma20 They arent sentient tho
@@deathkorpstrooper8228
Eeyup.
You forgot that Slick betrayed his allies, and if I recall actually caused the deaths of his fellow soldiers
Yes, with a bombing
@@Fulcrox And Giving The Seps Battle Plans For Cristophsis
Yeah, his motivations were inarguably just. His methods were not.
“Killing defenseless enemies”
Bruh he’s piloting a tank, a TANK
He's not the pilot, he's just the commander
@@MagnustheMage pretty sure he was the gunner for the main canon
Yoda: uses a droid as a shield
Everybody: that makes sense
Nobody:
This video: HUMAN SHIELD
They can be argued to be sentient
they're still piles of scrap at the end of the day and their memories and experience can be reuploaded to a new unit. when a clone dies, he dies.
Remember history is written by the winners so it's a tactical decision if you win and a hideous war crime if you lose
On rare occasions it can be seen as both.
Only if it’s super obvious, like genocide or nukes.
Seeing as the clone wars tv show is supposedly republic “propaganda”. 22 violations being depicted is a lot.
Aren't the later seasons less pro-republic though? Is it still a propaganda at that point or is it just the earlier seasons
@@campbell9825 well I think your thinking it was more pro jedi at the beginning of the show and became less over time because it was never really Pro republic after all a lot of S1 episodes focused on the corruption in the senate as multiple people with connectiond to the separatist are in the senate including but not limited to tall guy with a broken nose, trade very much not a federation, and big boy 'the senate' plaps
@@zealousdoggo Your right as there was a lot of episodes on about the corruption and all that. But then again it followed the 501st and did they ever really lose a major battle in the show? In other media whole battalions and legions get wiped out often. In my opinion the fighting bits following the 501st is propaganda.
@@proleterriert8075 Tbf, the 501st was notorious for asymmetrical warfare and unusual tactics. Anakin was their general and I'm pretty sure casualties were high in the 501st as well, they just rarely lost.
Fleeing Under Arms isn't the same as surrender, and there's the "People or War Materiel" question with droids. Or tragically, even clones.
I wanted to write that.
Grievous didn’t use corpses as trophies, those were just statues.
He took lightsabers and ponytails from dead Jedi. Probably should have shown the rest of that scene.
Well lightsabers are weapons, not corpse and ponytail a ponytail isn’t a corpse
@@user-br8ed4ly4u It's a part of the body so it counts as trophy collecting.
@@user-br8ed4ly4u It might not be a war-crime to collect lightsabers per se but Grievous is well-known to collect lightsabers as trophies of Jedi he has slain and since each lightsaber is usually custom-made by the Jedi who owned it... it's easy enough to find out exactly whose blood is on his hands.
@@kylepessell1350 I know, but I just wanted to point that out
Wait it’s not the entire show? Since it was a war completely set up by the running government. Starting a war just for lols should probably be a war crime too. XD
There aren't even any laws of war in the Star Wars Galaxy.
Total violations: 0
"I can't believe they made Star Wars into a kids show!"
Clone Wars, Season 1:
Most of the Republic War Crimes were against Battle Droids and other Separatists who'd committed war crimes themselves plus the Republic War Crimes had to be done to save the lives of innocent people.
The ones against the Talz were committed by Pantoran Chairman Cho without the approval of his allies and he was prevented from carrying them out even if he ruined the peace negotiations between his people and the Talz with his lust for war against them which he paid for later on with his life.
Sounds like something a clone would say 😒🤨
@@cheeto8278 I never said that the Republic was innocent, only that in Season 1, they came across as being better then the Separatists. Sorry if I wasn't clear on this point.
@@girlgarde Arguably the Republic using an army of enslaved child soldiers was the worst war crime in the Clone Wars, I mean the war was named after it after all.
Thats Exactlly the Problem with the Clone wars Ark, one sided Storys with clear preference for one side. Potraying every General in the Seperatist Army as Villain (Greedy, Mercyless or Grievous mode ). And i have no Problem with Grievous if every other General wouldn't be potrayed as evil.
What about the 18th republic one 😥
"Using Human Shields"
*is using non-sentient Droid*
I’d argue that because they have enough programming to know how to flee in fear that they have some kind of sentience
@@nathanskeen5865
I second that. Although a better term would be "living shield", as they aren't humanoid in any way other than basic shape (Bipedal, have 2 arms and 2 legs, head, and torso).
@@nathanskeen5865 Thats not sentience, at all. You said it yourself, “programming.”
@@jermasbiggestfan7796 that is sentience. Sentience, by definition, is to be "able to feel and perceive things." If you program a robot to feel fear, joy, sadness, regret (which battle droids show consistently) then you've programmed sentience. Sentience isn't inherently a biological concept.
@@mediocregamer2484 No, it absolutely isnt lmao. They are PROGRAMMED to react to inputs. Its not real, its not organic, it is completely synthetic. You gonna start saying your 5G Alexa connected refrigerator is sentient now? Lmao
“Target those escape pods! I have a reputation to uphold!”
And by reputation, you mean your list on how many people you’ve killed so far?
I HAVE A KILLSTREAK TO MAINTAIN DAMNIT
0:31 When you see your friend is defenseless and vulnerable in game
0:20 surely that doesn’t count as defenseless? He’s in a functioning tank, you can kill tank drivers right?
Yeah, there's a couple 'killing defenseless enemies' for droids that fell over. Homie got a blaster built into their arm, how they defenseless?
@@neilcarey5341 well if its a B2 there not defencless if its a B1 or BX comando then its defencless
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 maybe unarmed not defenceless at the bx
He's actually a Tank Commander, and also he is overall commander of that force, most likely mechanized infantry, and he has overall control of that tank, since the commander can act as gunner on the tank as well. Although he did seem scared when Yoda was about to kill him, and could've surrendered, but Yoda executed them instead. But yes, you do have a point.
@@maugi_lp ya the BX are good at melee
Pretty sure the “corpses” in grevious’ lair were just commemorative statues from before his transformation
gthis just shows he looked like a corpse before he was a cyborg
I think it would’ve been better to show all his lightsaber collections and Padawan braids
When it mentioned trophying corpses, I'm not sure droids would count. I don't really mean as a "machine intelligences aren't people" kind of thing. If you think about it machine bodies are vehicles being piloted by artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence which can be easily transferred to another vessel. So if anything, it's more like displaying captured equipment and resources as trophies.
You could argue the same for Biological life. If someone hacks of a body part in the star wars universe it doesn´t really matter as it can be replaced by cybernetics. So i don´t see the difference between the mechanical or biological trophies shown as war crime example. Seems right that they are treated equally
The trophied bodies aren’t bodies, they are statues of grevious as showing his cybernetic transformation
However, his ever growing arsenal of lightsabers is.
@@Scary_Snail129 those aren't corpses, they are weapons
*ship about to crash into your ship*
"You stay here, I'll be back"
Reaction of droid: YAY
I feel Number 18 was the biggest one. After all, the clones weren't droids in the slightest. They were engineered to be sentient and thus were 100% exploited due to the circumstances of their birth. While some generals (i.e. Plo Koon, Anakin, Obi-Wan, etc.) treated their troops with due respect, they were the exception, not the norm. Many Generals were less experienced in combat and military tactics and didn't have the same prowess as those mentioned. Generals like Pong Krell (from the Umbara arc) among others either cared very little for clone lives or were absolutely unqualified as military leaders, constantly making tactical mistakes or suffering from poor planning, which resulted in even poorer conditions for troopers. This also was also exacerbated by hazardous deployments, like the battles of Geonosis, Felucia, Umbara, and many other exotic battlefields in the Outer Rim.
All in all, while the creation of the clone army was definitely warranted, and the creation of such a formidable standing army gave the Republic its fighting chance, the circumstances of their formation, as well as the leadership that was executed throughout the course of the war, was certainly questionable and 100% illegal.
ghkerman the sad thing is, clones were more property than anything else in the eyes of most people especially high ranking officers and senators so the mistreatment of clones were less frowned upon
To add, regardless of the circumstances of the clone army's creation, the Kaminoans were still tasked with continuing to make more of them. It's quite disturbing that both the Senate and the Jedi seemed to be okay with it.
3:20 that is not a war crime, that pilot is actively participating in an attack. The pilot’s weapons are the gunship and the soldiers inside.
The pilot itself it's unarmed, however is a part of the attack and is flying an armed gunship
"Human Shield"
How does a machine that isn't even alive count as a Human Shield?!
#droidlivesmatter
#droidlivesmatter
#droidlivesmatter
Because he has feelings
It's a sentient being, so it's like using a working as a shield. Same principle.
2:50 he was more than a medic, he managed several boobie traps
Hard to justify calling them war crimes when the victims aren’t alive.
Pretty much what I saw anytime the crime showed was against a droid.
@@Darceus2000 well they are conscious to some degree
If you commit a war crime, and there are no witnesses left to tell… Did you really commit a war crime?
Technically the one that just got promoted isn't defenseless, he has an AAT!
HOW DARE YOU YOU FCKING BASTARD HE WAS, HE WAS GOING TO RUN
Defenseless because he was attacked while unarmed from inside his own vehicle AND if he was last droid in AAT.....he can shout fire all he wants, nothing will happen
Who woulda thought that an army of barely capable droids would be enough to violate all of the Geneva Conventions in just a few episodes
You can't violate the Geneva convention if there's no Geneva in their universe
**points forehead with finger**
Geneva Suggestion
Ah yes, the Geneva Convention, made to set up the rules of warfare as to prevent inhumane acts and tragic loss of life. Literally made to stop civilians and soldiers alike from suffering terrible events, and yet people act like it is a mere option to follow.
@@messerschmittME-262 Yeah they are to an extent “an option”. Countries do not have to follow them, they can do what ever they want, but like every set of rules there are both subjectively good and bad consequences for which ever path of war one chooses.
Ok Grievous’s laugh when sped up is just hilarious to me
The amount of friendly fire general grevious commited is insane
0:56 this is a lot more fun when they aren’t shooting back,
I still cant seem to hit anything
This is the funniest quote from anything,of all time
Ummm this really seems useless when it comes to killing droids. Robots ain’t got no rights, and killing while disguised? We break that in real life constantly
Funny enough all but the earliest of them are sentient.
Except he wasn't disguised, he was a traitor.
Killing while disguised isn't about camouflaging yourself, it's about wearing the uniform of your enemy.
Remember this Hunter just because you don’t understand or comprehend a law or rule does not mean it does not apply to you
Nobody:
Grievous: *Coughing and Laughing intensifies*
Fragging Counter:
General Grievous: "Hello there!"
Fragging Counter: *DINDINDINDINDIN-DING!*
I don't know if it's right to laugh at this or not, but I absolutely love watching people react to "kids" shows like this particularly to these brutal scenes that by all accounts should be in a TV-14 or MA. The looks of shock on their faces and the questioning "Is this for kids?" just makes me laugh hysterically.
**Killing defenceless enemies**
Proceeds to show Hevy death scene with his rotary cannon and gigantic bombs...
7:16 look in the back, Wat Tambor's tactical droid stole ark of the covenant
! we have to get it back
Yeah I noticed that too, when I saw that episode a few years ago.
I like when producers of films and tv shows sneak in a little nod, toward other pop-culture film or TV shows. 😊
I recently learned the entire citadel arc in the later season was technically a huge war crime by the Republic, which of course makes me take some of these (not the obvious ones like killing a surrendering or defenseless enemy) even less seriously.
I don't think there's a Geneva convention in the Star Wars galaxy
0:13 - Using Human Shields
I've got mad respect for you for mentioning that about the droids. A lot of people find it uncomfortable to confront the fact that the droids are people too. Well, not REAL real, it's a show, but still.
0:56 "This is a lot more fun when they're not shooting back, I still can't seem to hit anything."
🤣🤣🤣
I think the requirement for taking prisoners is predicated on you being able safely contain them.
Grievous laughing is some of the best things I saw
That episode with the clones locked in a dead escape pod and the droids coming after them so the secret of the malevolence doesnt get out was fuckinf AWESOME and TERRIFYING and it’s literally a cartoon
General Grevious laughing at faster replay speed is the funniest sound ever
The Inner Sphere: "It's okay. We won't judge. Hey, you want some nukes? We managed to hide a few from the phone company and they're kinda just sitting here, collecting dust."
“The laws are more like guide lines”-Some pirate probably
The droids are never not armed, they all have integrated weapons that they take off of their backs
So a soldier with a weapon on the back is also armed at all times?
@@lulu111_the_cool If they have the weapon on them they are armed
@@ryancronwell6368 but not a combatant unless pulled out if it’s not in its hand I’d say the charge stands
@@steveisthecommissar4013 they also aren't people, they're property. In a different context that sentence is fucked.
I wish you'd left it at normal speed.
Copyright strike
@@throwawayaccountm1325
Lots of other clone wars clips on TH-cam, and pretty sure this counts as adequately altered under the guidelines.
Makes sense though; better safe than sorry
@@alestiiidaeno_last3075 yap. TH-cam does handel those Strikes with a Shotgun and a blindfold.
0:01 spinning is not flying (palpatine casually flys across the screen)
Republic: it’s not a war crime if we win
Separatist: it’s not a war crime if there aren’t any witnesses
"Airlocking: inhumaine"
Thats a robot, tincan head.
yeah it'll be FINE. scavs come to every battleground with a magnet the robot wont even run out of battery
The one thing we are all happy with Ahsoka in season 1 :
1:48
No Geneva, No Geneva Convention
The B1 commander was at his post in a tank, and did not surrender before Yoda attacked him.
He was not “unarmed”, his weapon was the tank. He is a valid military target.
“A long time, fought I did. Consumed by fear I was, though see it I did not.”
“You don’t look scared in the footage.”
“Into exile, I must go.”
Ah yes, breaching the Geneva conventions before they even exist... wait.
2:35 not corpses, actually. They are statues of pre-cyborg Grievous.
"Geneva convention? More like Geneva suggestion."
"Sir you have 98 acts of War Crime. What is your defense?"
Me: "Good soldiers Follow Orders"
Few things about 'war crimes':
Destroying lifeboats is not a war crime if they are A: engaged in combat or combat support operations, and B: have not surrendered. There is no part of the geneva convention that covers compelling an enemy to fire on their own, and even if there was, it wouldn't cover autonomous weapons like battle droids. Doubly so, you can shoot fleeing enemies who have not surrendered, they have to surrender to your custody and disarm to be protected, again, also wouldn't cover autonomous weapons like battle droids. Defenceless enemies is not a war crime either, they have to surrender or be non-combatants.
Destroying warships that are disabled is not a war crime, attacking transports became legal as long as the transports contain war materials, armed or not, even if they carry civilians. Conversely, putting war materials on a civilian ship, with civilians IS a war crime. Fragging isn't a war crime, it's just a regular crime; and also an act of gross insubordination (which isn't a war crime). Medical ships is a grey area, you are supposed to tell them to surrender; at which point you take the crew and wounded as prisoners of war. The doctors cannot be taken and prisoners, but can remain with the wounded to care for them, you have to release them once the POW's are remitted to the care of your own doctors and they are no logner needed.
If a medical transport flees when told to surrender, you can very much fire on it as per the rules of war. Same goes for a military medical facility, you have to demand surrender, if they refuse, you can take it by force. Unarmed enemies is not a war crime, especially autonomous things; droids would effectively be considered very advanced drones, not combatants. Hostages and refusing surrender are war crimes, as a hostage would count as a POW and be subject to POW protections. Failure to order an evac isn't a war-crime, though might be court-marshalable depending on circumstances.
Killing unconscious or sleeping enemies is also perfectly OK. There's nothing about breaking alliances in the geneva convention either, so deciding against joining the separatists is kosher. Being that the viceroy is a civilian, he's not a POW, so torture is not a violation of the geneva convention either (nasty, huh?) Interestingly, while it is forbidden to use enemy uniforms, it's not the sort of thing where you get punished by a tribunal post war, but you can be summarily executed on the spot as a spy if caught in either plainclothes or an enemy uniform.
Booby traps are only a war crime if they cause 'undue suffering' or could readily harm civilians, so a pit of lava that kills near instantly might not be 'undue suffering', depending on the tribunal's findings. Killing medics is permitted if they take hostile action, shouting 'kill them' is pretty hostile, so is operating death-traps. It's not a war crime to occupy neutral countries; however, it is a war crime for a neutral country to support a power without officially taking a side and declaring war on the other (this can easily be skirted around though).
Slavery and conscription aren't war crimes; for slavery, that's a human rights violation; while conscription is allowed, but there have to be alternatives to military service, like working in essential factories or non-combat positions for conscientious objectors. Breaking that isn't a war crime though, it's a human rights violation. One you missed though; hiring mercenaries; it's a war crime to hire foreign nationals as combatants or saboteurs.
But; the biggest point of all on war crimes is that both sides have to be signatories of the geneva convention, otherwise war crimes do not technically apply. That said, a non-signatory might be punished anyway if they lose badly in a war. Often the victors get away with their war crimes.