If I recall the original benching video he benched them for motivational issue and it was reflecting in their practice. That's actually a good thing when your coach calls you out for being lazy considering now Jensen sailed it in after he joined TL and plays farm simulator with any aggressive melee champion.
I think the coaches could've just told sneaky and Jensen straight up that the subs are playing better than them in scrims so they want to give them a try and Sneaky n Jensen would've respected that a lot more, the coaches handled that really poorly
Idk about that, In the previous split C9 went from 1st in the league half way through the split to finishing the split 5th and losing 3-0 in the first round of the playoffs. After they benched most of their main roster they ended up permanently changing from smoothie to zeyzal, discovered blabber was a good player, and would go on the make top 4 at worlds that year. Whatever C9's management did was probably for the better tbh.
@@agentcodybanx8909 when you say hindsight Is 20:20 that implies that someone made a poor decision, the decision that c9 made got them top 4 at worlds, not exactly a bad decision
@@Evillightning76 They weren't winning with that roster, they didn't start playing better until sneaky and jensen got put back in the lineup. The decision to bring those 2 back helped team cohesion which helped them at worlds
@@agentcodybanx8909 yea I know, I'm saying that the benching probably acted as a wakeup call. Like I said they went from first in the lcs to losing 3-0 in the first round, hence the potential need for a wakeup call
It is funny the lengths coaches/staff are willing to go to avoid telling the truth. Is it so outrageous to say "we want to experiment for a few games, nothing to do with X player's performance, we genuinely believe in the academy player". As long as it doesn't impact playoffs I can't see how fans would be that upset
I remember watching QT, Dlift, Aphro and Sneaky at the end during the cast of that first game where Sneaky got benched. Zeyzal flashed over Keith and got killed for first blood. I was honestly like, this is what they switched Sneaky for?
Jack made it out like a bandit, he subbed them back in, they started winning more and Jack went to media to paint a picture of how he shocked them alive again to be better players. Most of the League fans ate it up like he sacrificed the Queen to get a check mate.
If I remember correctly this was seen as a sandbagging attempt. I think they were trying to lose but in a “oh we think our sub deserves to play a main stage game” I could be remembering wrong but I know this situation has happened before XD
Weird story but it got them out of the group of death with RNG and Gen G (the current world champions at the time) and 3-0 a Korean team of all teams and made it to Semis.
@@aaawa2074 Korea int'd in general. They didn't adjust to the 2018 game changes. No one really did but LPL. Then G2 tried to copy China after FNC got bounced in 2018 with the all-star team / caps snipe. Worked for a little then that fell off. The game slowed down a but by Riot in 2020 and Damwon was strong enough to rip a chip. 2021 will most likely be an LPL win again depending how the crappy format cannibalizes LPL teams against each other. G2 and DWK are the only other real threats and both look about 10% less effective as previous years because of roster/style changes.
C9 was a game away from getting 1st seed over rng and beat vitality people are so stupid for discrediting c9 like OH WELL KOREA INTED RNG INTED NO NO I SWEAR VITALITY WASNT EVEN GOOD!!! so fucking stupid lol
He doubts the decision of reapered to bench them but he doesnt remember that they underperformed massively the previous split. One way or another, it helped the team, since they came back stronger. But god they got humilliated on playoffs, if thats not enough reason, then I dont know what it is.
If I was a coach I'd say listen to music in solo que. Scrims need to be taken seriously to get much out if them. You think the eastern teams r listening to music in scrims?
It's clear as day that Zven said " i won't play with Blaber, it's him or me ". Just look at his bodylanguage towards Blaber at MSI. It's blatant as hell. And since C9 can't get an import or a viable replacement right now, they had no choice but to bench Zven. This is also the reason on why they can't make a statement because what do you say? If you make some shit up, that's gonna backfire down the road and if it gets out C9 will look like complete douchebags.
allways such an accurate thing to go "it's blatant as hell, because he looked like it" when you have 0 background on the team, the interpersonal relation or even WORDS THEY SAID BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING OF LOOKS. Holy shit people are delusional when it comes to stuff like this
@@nikitamarynich1794 the funny thing is that even though I pointed it out quite clearly you don't even get the point of my comment. I don't have any oppinion on the c9 situation. I was talking about the general audacity you show, to judge such a complex situation by shit like "how he looked" and you make potentially damaging accusations based on that. Shit like this gets picked up by people and can destroy teams if it gets traction
Depends 5 hours of playing scrim 4 days a week if not plus is mentally exausting so i can understand putting some music against teams that u think are way worse
maybe he meant between scrim games as well. regardless, if he can communicate with his team fine it really doesn't matter...a coach wouldn't flame them for listening to the in-game music right?
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And this one of the best teams in NA for several years. Imagine how much worse the management is in bottom tier teams.
The team made top 4 at worlds that year, whatever the management did work
If I recall the original benching video he benched them for motivational issue and it was reflecting in their practice. That's actually a good thing when your coach calls you out for being lazy considering now Jensen sailed it in after he joined TL and plays farm simulator with any aggressive melee champion.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg and hes still playing farm simulator to this day lol
Locodoco was a head coach btw
@@ethangilworth7891 Does that logic?
damn zven shouldve closed spotify
btw wasnt santorin listening to spotify on stage in lcs lol idk if he still does
I asked nemesis recently on stream and he said that players cannot listen to music on stage
@@smoke__ Who knows what goes on in the LCS though haha.
@@carlosrazier433 the referees ?
@@carlosrazier433 WTF? It doesn't matter LCS or LEC because that's written in Riot esports rules book.
@@LeagueofWeirdo Haha I didn't know they had the same rule set, my bad. And yes I haven't read the rule set.
I think the coaches could've just told sneaky and Jensen straight up that the subs are playing better than them in scrims so they want to give them a try and Sneaky n Jensen would've respected that a lot more, the coaches handled that really poorly
C9 : Do you listen music during scrims ?
Sneaky : Yea i do
C9 : Cool you're benced x)
so basically meteos called it, they were power trippin
Idk about that, In the previous split C9 went from 1st in the league half way through the split to finishing the split 5th and losing 3-0 in the first round of the playoffs. After they benched most of their main roster they ended up permanently changing from smoothie to zeyzal, discovered blabber was a good player, and would go on the make top 4 at worlds that year. Whatever C9's management did was probably for the better tbh.
@@Evillightning76 Obviously hindsight is 20/20. It still one of the worst managed roster swaps ever
@@agentcodybanx8909 when you say hindsight Is 20:20 that implies that someone made a poor decision, the decision that c9 made got them top 4 at worlds, not exactly a bad decision
@@Evillightning76 They weren't winning with that roster, they didn't start playing better until sneaky and jensen got put back in the lineup. The decision to bring those 2 back helped team cohesion which helped them at worlds
@@agentcodybanx8909 yea I know, I'm saying that the benching probably acted as a wakeup call. Like I said they went from first in the lcs to losing 3-0 in the first round, hence the potential need for a wakeup call
It is funny the lengths coaches/staff are willing to go to avoid telling the truth. Is it so outrageous to say "we want to experiment for a few games, nothing to do with X player's performance, we genuinely believe in the academy player". As long as it doesn't impact playoffs I can't see how fans would be that upset
They benched the team, then they kept them in there because the staff was too stubborn to admit that it was a bad switch even after all the losses
I remember watching QT, Dlift, Aphro and Sneaky at the end during the cast of that first game where Sneaky got benched. Zeyzal flashed over Keith and got killed for first blood. I was honestly like, this is what they switched Sneaky for?
Jack made it out like a bandit, he subbed them back in, they started winning more and Jack went to media to paint a picture of how he shocked them alive again to be better players. Most of the League fans ate it up like he sacrificed the Queen to get a check mate.
and mfs still wonder why NA KEKW is a thing lol
It's the classic absolute power corrupts absolutely
I completely forgot K1ng was an LCS starter at one point
If I remember correctly this was seen as a sandbagging attempt. I think they were trying to lose but in a “oh we think our sub deserves to play a main stage game” I could be remembering wrong but I know this situation has happened before XD
Weird story but it got them out of the group of death with RNG and Gen G (the current world champions at the time) and 3-0 a Korean team of all teams and made it to Semis.
Afreeca really inted, Kiin was the only human
We don’t know if that was the reason though, could’ve been other factors.
@@aaawa2074 Korea int'd in general. They didn't adjust to the 2018 game changes. No one really did but LPL. Then G2 tried to copy China after FNC got bounced in 2018 with the all-star team / caps snipe. Worked for a little then that fell off. The game slowed down a but by Riot in 2020 and Damwon was strong enough to rip a chip.
2021 will most likely be an LPL win again depending how the crappy format cannibalizes LPL teams against each other. G2 and DWK are the only other real threats and both look about 10% less effective as previous years because of roster/style changes.
@@BlackEcology no real logic about what I will say, But LPL wont be winning because worlds will be at China lol
C9 was a game away from getting 1st seed over rng and beat vitality people are so stupid for discrediting c9 like OH WELL KOREA INTED RNG INTED NO NO I SWEAR VITALITY WASNT EVEN GOOD!!! so fucking stupid lol
We all know it was Licorice LUL
Kinda similar behavior to the jojo counting late slips, they just lookin for shit to fit a narrative of a action they want to accomplish beforehand.
if any of this is true, C9 is truly Clown9
But they made it to Worlds and gone to Semis. Reapeared is a mad genius and if he stayed he could do it again if he wants.
@@years-ti7xl Copium
Yeah, they are really a bunch of clowns because 3 months after the benching they made the best international NA run of all time. Stay mad lmfao
@@bechedirekekw only an NA fan would think making it to semifinals at worlds is a big achievement. 🤣😂 silly as hell.
@@sonnyankau9239 you're weird
Corporate America.
He doubts the decision of reapered to bench them but he doesnt remember that they underperformed massively the previous split. One way or another, it helped the team, since they came back stronger. But god they got humilliated on playoffs, if thats not enough reason, then I dont know what it is.
If I was a coach I'd say listen to music in solo que. Scrims need to be taken seriously to get much out if them. You think the eastern teams r listening to music in scrims?
It's clear as day that Zven said " i won't play with Blaber, it's him or me ". Just look at his bodylanguage towards Blaber at MSI. It's blatant as hell.
And since C9 can't get an import or a viable replacement right now, they had no choice but to bench Zven. This is also the reason on why they can't make a statement because what do you say? If you make some shit up, that's gonna backfire down the road and if it gets out C9 will look like complete douchebags.
allways such an accurate thing to go "it's blatant as hell, because he looked like it" when you have 0 background on the team, the interpersonal relation or even WORDS THEY SAID BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING OF LOOKS. Holy shit people are delusional when it comes to stuff like this
@@DarkResign think what u want, talk to me about it in the offseason
@@nikitamarynich1794 the funny thing is that even though I pointed it out quite clearly you don't even get the point of my comment. I don't have any oppinion on the c9 situation. I was talking about the general audacity you show, to judge such a complex situation by shit like "how he looked" and you make potentially damaging accusations based on that. Shit like this gets picked up by people and can destroy teams if it gets traction
@@DarkResign Whatever was left of that team is already destroyed, since he won't be playing the entire Summer.
Lol when did zven said that? You must be hearing things
are we all gonna act like listening to music during skrims is ok ?
Depends 5 hours of playing scrim 4 days a week if not plus is mentally exausting so i can understand putting some music against teams that u think are way worse
Actually its not that bad many athletes listen to music while they train, and it has been proven to help more than not.
maybe he meant between scrim games as well. regardless, if he can communicate with his team fine it really doesn't matter...a coach wouldn't flame them for listening to the in-game music right?
Are you a pro player?
@@julose2678 yeah maybe while they're working out in a gym but def not during team practice wtf.
okay but tbf sneaky really sucked in his latest pro games
lol sneaky just cant admit they underperform hahaha
well we now know sneaky got BAITED HARD. C9 OUTPLAYED HIM SO FKING HARD SO BYE BYE.