NA's Forgotten Superstar
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Everyone knows Doublelift and Sneaky as the LCS GOATS of ADC but isn't there someone we're all forgetting?
League of Legends is often a game of what have you done for me lately. Whether that's looking at LCS titles, MSI or even Worlds success.
While WildTurtle is a memorable player, he's someone that doesn't get nearly as much of the spotlight as you might expect from someone with so many accolades.
In our opinion, it's worth exploring why.
So we went deeper.
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Bro having that smile on his face constantly while having Regi breathing down his neck has to be his most impressive skill.
god gives his mightiest warriors his greatest trials
God should’ve made regi less of a dick
Wildturtle made such a big impact on the story of the LCS (idk if it was LCS yet) when he came in, just for that he deserves to be talked about but he is just forgotten.
Both the european and north american leagues were called LCS back then. Just EU LCS and NA LCS
I remember finding out that chaox was dropped for turtle on Skype with the boys. Those were the days
Wildturlte maybe the 3rd best adc in LCS history but he has the #1 smile in LCS history.
Possibly in league history. Maybe only bested by Rox Peanut
Best adc in NA.
J.Tran, if you're reading this, just know that you are one of the All-Time greats of this game. 4 LCS Titles, even more Final appearances. even without the trophies, just on longevity and your professionalism alone make you better than 99% of the LCS. Be proud that no one can confidently say you weren't that guy. Cause you were/are that guy broski.
Just send some random Chinese Challenger to NA and they will be as good as him if not better
@Insomnia99530 Lmao, sad but it's the reality of the skill gap NA is facing.
dude was bullied into oblivion by Reginald
He really was. The video of Reginald and the team in the car after a game and Reg ranting about how the loss was all Turtles fault. Turtle was just sitting there like a battered puppy while Reg was blaming everything on him. It makes me absolutely livid!
Easily a first ballot into the North American Hall of Fame for LoL
Dude outlived all his contemporaries and while he was never the MVP of any of the teams he was necessarily on during his championship runs
Dude was instrumentally important and was generally considered a threat in the bot lane for years
Edit: Just learned he only had 2 All Pro Appearances in his entire career which makes sense. For some context as to why this is the case, All Pro Team in LCS didn't start until Summer 2015. I believe the very first All Pro Lineup was TiP Impact, TiP Rush, TL Fenix, TL Piglet, CLG Aphromoo
I don't wanna use the word "underrated" to describe WildTurtle because anyone who watched LCS since the beginning knew that he was legit
Undervalued might be the best word to describe him
Consistent and a great teammate. Very rare qualities in pros these days.
crying 1 minute in because i remembered when he replaced chaox after subbing in the first LCS game getting a pentakill I cannot contain so much emotion and the memories of watching old league
Apparently after they returned from the match, chaox had already moved out of the house to focus on his streaming career. But too lazy even for that
He was bullied by wukong the whole time he was in tsm.
I thought it was Mundo.
Tahm Kench
Pre rework urgot
Wildturtle said they were good friends, shutup with this nonsense
@@ToTheGrave20 nice try Sun Wukong
I’ve seen Wildturtle throughout his career. His early career days with TSM was so much pressure especially around Reginald but I would say he was at his peak as in accomplishment. When he join Immortal, that was when I love watching Wildturtle the most. He was so jolly and happy around a new team and environment. He was the “flash” in Wildturtle again! Regi stop him from doing that in TSM. I love every single person in 2016 Immortals roaster! Huni, Reignover, Pobelter, Wildturtle, Adrian. I would watch every episode each week everytime Immortal posted a vlog. I loved every Immortals personality. Not cocky like TSM, No high ego like C9. Just a bunch of guys playing a game for fun and enjoyment. That’s what made them so strong! They weren’t the best skillful team like TSM or smart like CLG. They were just so great with each others chemistry and vibe that they feed off each other’s energy and work as a team. When WildTurtle joined TSM and then join FlyQuest. I saw the hunger and excitement die in his eyes. He was out of his prime and peak. He lost his spirit to play. I would always thanks him for giving me entertainment throughout my teens in high school. I’m a Adult now and life moves on. Life moves on and so does games. A Pro gaming career doesn’t last long so please cherish those little moments before it’s gone. Thanks WildTurle! For being there in part of my life!
WildTurtle was a legend on the NA ladder at one point as well, surely will stand as one of the greatest ever to come from NA.
He's the player that ,only by watching him, made me a adc player
I am so EXCITED that you guys released another episode! I truly loved the first one and shared it with all my friends. I think you guys are doing something really special here and the passion/quality you guys have behind it is amazing. Especially being able to hear Pastrytime "cast" A video brings me right back to when league was my life. Please keep up the truly incredible work, I look forward to seeing this channel grow!
Great video, loved reliving some of LCS history. Man seeing that C9 vs MRN image brought back memories. Would love to see a story about MRNs run from ranked 5's teams to LCS. The only team that ever did.
You know what i always remember as weird? Tacticals one split wonder.
Dude came in as a sub for the goat of LCS and was really good for that one split.
Then he got worse every split after. Always wondered what happened with that.
Hey I know that guy 🐢
👋
Turtle is still my favorite player of all time. His personality, his skill, and his ability to play on a variety of teams are all top tier imo.
Turtle helped build the LCS. A legend in the LCS scene for sure
One of the best players at that time, I remember when he had 3 accounts in Challenger at the top 3 spots
C9 Sneakycastroo
C9 Stealthbomber
I miss the good old days where you could spectate high elo games
Started watching LCS in 2019 after getting sucked in by 2018 worlds and decided to become a FlyQuest fan. Wildturtle instantly became my favorite player. He's the GOAT
2016 was my first year watching LCS and I rewatched a sht ton of 2014/2015 games back in the day. Personally, I think this is peak LCS. Thanks for keeping its memory alive.
bruh, I've always loved wildturtle. he got me into ADC man, watching him kite an Evelynn with Lucian enticed me into the role.
then him on Immortals with olleh I think? or Ignar? not sure but his Kalista with Soraka was something else
You weren’t even close it was Adrian on immortals
you had the wrong batch, i think when turtle was in immortals it was the huni reignover pobelter group
@@rocklee2282 right LMFAO i completely forgot
God I love deep dives like these. Thanks for putting them out there.
Turtle will forever be my favorite NA ADC, he is the goat and was there when TSM most needed him, he was the heart of the team and seen him always smile was one of the things I miss from the current LCS.
please keep making these videos. These are fantastic.
I was thinking Stixxay, I cannot believe I did turtle such an injustice!
I still think it's stixxay but it depends if you value international play above all.
I watched LoL e-sport mostly in season 3-6 so I remember him pretty good.
Pastry, this series is underrated... we love!
How is DL better than Wildturtle? Turtle won 3 LCS before DL even won once. Then he has TSM's best showing at worlds (S4), back when DL couldn't even qualify.
R u fucking dumb? Maybe cus dlift has more trophies? And won on three different teams? And won four times in a row? Imagine even entertaining this thought
Turtle helped TSM become the greatest Western LoL org in history. A shame they aren't around anymore. And yet, apart from T1, they are still probably the most famous org in the world, with the TSM chants always making their way into arenas. He won national and international tournaments with TSM. I think there is a shoutout to be made about him actually being the best ADC in NA history. For me, he is clear of Sneaky.
Even his short tenures back in recent seasons shows he still has LCS form
To me the most iconic Turtle move was stealing dragons with Jinx Rocket, he was so good at it that it cant be just dumb luck.
Honestly one of my favorite na adc when he subbed in for chaox on tsm in 2013 and got a pentakill, I’m a tsm fanboy he’s been one of the best imo.
man, as a tsm fan from the beginning, the wildturtle era was so special, he made that team seem so wholesome together with bjergsen, and even more so, the dominated the LCS while doing so, truly special times
2016 Immortals is probably the best LCS team to never go to worlds. 2020 C9 was great in spring but they had been showing signs of weakness way before summer playoffs. Going 33-3 regular split all year and missing worlds is crazy.
i know they technically lost 10 games in summer but still. i guess they just really sucked in playoffs
Wildturtle is the Neymar of LCS. Super talented, instinctive player, that was overshadowed by the super stars of Messi (who was on the same team) and Ronaldo
This guys smile is unforgettable!
Could never forget Turtle. I remember (foolishly) as a TSM fan saying that he was better than Doublelift to my buddy a CLG fan cuz we were always winning during the early days of LCS. Once we got Doublelift that thought went out the window but as the video shows other than the GOAT himself and Sneaky, there hasn't been anyone better.
For all his faults, he leads in most kills. For all his woes, he left a legacy across many teams that should be remembered even if they couldn't win the title. Those Immortals and Flyquest teams don't go as far as they did without Turtle even if he wasn't the central reason for them winning. Hell, he helped keep the 2016-17 streak of three titles for TSM alive when Doublelift went and took his hiatus.
Even the 2020 season where Turtle and Flyquest placed 2nd could be a considered a bigger success for him because at least they won a game at Worlds where we(TSM) didn't. 0-6 pains. Not having Turtle on TSM always felt bad. Replacing him felt worse even when it was necessary.
But TRUTHFULLY, he's always been my favorite LCS ADC. He's a core part of LCS lore and should always be remembered. It's HARD to fathom that this would ever be the case.
WildTurtle was my favorite ADC ever since that pentakill
I'll never forget Wildturtle and Cop, I always rooted for them, there've been a bunch of players I'll never forget and am thankful I got to watch, but for ADC it's those two I had the most fun rooting for!
He was always a fan favorite, such a good and charming person
WildTurtle was the reason I started playing ADC loved watching him play when I was younger
wildturtle is the main reason I started playing league as adc being my main role.
Legit looking at the thumbnail I was like "Fuck I forgot his name..."
WIld turtle on FLyquest in 2020 making it to world will always be one of my hypest moments.
I might forget about LCS one day but I will never forget who Wildturtle was. He's a legend!
Really like the video and the production. In some parts the music is a bit to loud which makes it harder to listen to Pastrytime. But perhaps its just me, because I am not native in English ^^
turtle has aura idc if people disagree i always saw the team get uplifted by him each time
love you guy's content sm, excited to see more
Honestly I spent this whole split expecting Turtle to get subbed in again since Shopify was struggling so bad.
Wild turtle was always my favorite LCS adc player
WIld Turtle was honestly one of my favorite adc's to watch aside from Gosu at the time. I'm glad I was able to watch him during TSM's early years
Wildturtle was my favorite player back in the day. I remember watching him back before Bjergson joined when he really did feel like the reason they were winning all their games. Still loved him after that as well (he even got me to watch clg games, no matter how sad it made me) It's too bad he feels overshadowed by his own teammate, but I also feel like it was inevitable. Maybe my memory is flawed but that was a time when the balance of League as a whole was shifting away from ADC being the strongest role. So Bjerg shows up at the right time to be the best player on the new rockstar role.
Wildturtle is a legend to mr and ill never forget him
I think one thing that hurt turtle in the long term of his carreer was the fact he started when the standards needed to be a challenger were actually pretty low. OG Challengers if they never improved would honestly be around low diamond level by modern standards.
Naturally though most challengers were able to adapt and keep up with the times and stay in challenger level, but as more new blood came in, wild turtle was no longer able to play this "yeah im better than you and I know it" play style.
That was his whole reason for flashing aggressively, for he knew he was better than you and could out play you, but than people joined the LCS who were simply on his level and this strat just wasn't doable anymore as an ADC.
As a new league player who hasn’t played for long this is the first time I heard this name
My first game i ever saw was Turtles first game on TSM and i was hooked. Idc who everyone else picks hes my GOAT
I still watch wild turtle when he is playing amazing adc player
I'd assume the 4th and 5th are Stixxay and Zven?
Stixxay is an interesting player, probably worth making a video on at some point tbh.
@@TheEsportsGaragestixxay is such an interesting player because when he peaked it didn't seem like he had any rivals, but he never managed to catch one bit of it back
Wildturtle easily best adc in nalcs history
Seeing his aggressive Corki Ws and hearing the casters yell " Wild Turtle with the equalizer" was so hype
He's still playing and smiling
Turtle has always been my favorite player in the LCS. Truly underrated and undervalued
That 17-1 IMT run was insane. Lord watching reignover
i ain't forget, saw dude at a festival super chill
Reginald should actually be in jail for what he did to players
I played with turtle a couple years ago in solo queue. To date he is still my favorite pro second only to Bjergsen.
Nah all the Regi meatriders can fade into obscurity
my first memories of turtle are watching him play lucian and is the reason lucian is my fav champ and the reason tsm was my favorite team
Wildturtle inspired lots of us try to main adc
wild turtle, pobelter, afromoo, hai are my goats
WildTurtle is an NA/LCS legend. Even as a CLG fan, I loved watching WildTurtle play. I don't even think he's washed; he could easily come back and play, like Doublelift.
We can only Prayge for a Turtle comeback.
Wildturtle was a huge part of TSM back in days. He saved the team so many times and played the role TSM needed. TSM didn't need another "superstar", they needed someone who can be flexible. On the other hand, Doublelift was a huge bait and let down. TSM with DL powered through NA teams through mechanics and lane phase but did absolutely nothing on the international stage. International teams were much better at macro and mechanics so DL had nothing to show in lane or late game. DL was famous for getting caught out and lose everything for the team. Even teams from lower tier regions had more success.
I honestly think he was a better player than either Sneaky or Doublelift, the way he had to always weakside but somehow still be an adc that can change a teamfight later was something I didn't think Doublelift or Sneaky could do if ever weaksided the way he was. He also didn't fold as hard on the international stage against some of the top ADC's in the world.
At least turtle got enough recognition to be on stage during the LCS championships 2024 send off. He did a lot for the early days of "elo hell" league showing you can climb the ladder if you have the skill; multiple times.
as you can notice the worldclass talent and good looking Michael "Imaqtpie" Santana is missing from this discussion making im the true forgotten superstar
I do believe turtle had far better accolades than sneaky/DL until 2018, thats where the margin kinda separated, while turtle was team hoping/finding a proper home, DL was winning B2B titles consistently, and sneaky was also runner up for the majority of DLs LCS runs, ontop of that, sneaky has gotten out of groups a few times, something DL has never done before, turtle also got out of groups once as well in 2014. But yes, turtle is a solid #3 ADC of all time in the region.
Wildturtle and bjergsen are gods in my eyes
damn i forgot how much teams LCS used to have. Those were the most exciting times.
2020 spring wasn’t really Turtle and Fly’s fault, nah C9 were going into that season for everyone’s throat, especially how Zven (C9’s at the time ADC) was nearly going to break the record for the longest high kill and undying ADC across various games
Zven died to DIG diving 3 on 2 with Orianna Ult for just him before he could
I still have a Wildturtle Seaquest jersey. Love that era
I remember back in TSM's prime I Bought a TSM hoodie and decided on Wildturtle Over Bjergsen on the back because I felt he was underrated!
I dont feel like WT is forgotten or underrated, but then again I started watching in spring s4..Curious to see if your story /argument Will change my minde 😀 I dont think WT is the thired best LCS Adc ever..This video would be more suitable for Huni (but he jumped regions a lot. But goddamn fnc,imt Huni was head and shoulders above his competition. Then did fine in SKT as a top3 LCK toplaner..but ruined his legacy with his second stint in LCS)
One day we'll make at least one absolute banger Huni video, his career is legit incredible, emotional AND somehow hilarious all in one.
My Favorite ADC all time.
I remember watching the TSM vs TIP jinx ult dragon steal live. And I'm from europe, watching with friends on skype. The LCS was must watch.
Best smile in all of LoL.
I love WT bro was always so happy playing
TBF 13:55 that was a insanely strong C9 roster.
Turtle literally performed better than DL every single worlds he attended. In fact most of the time I used to watch old TSM, turtle was the only one performing well at worlds. His laning was nothing special but his team fighting was good for sure.
Its crazy that LCS has been long enough for us to have players like this.
Nothing was funnier than watching Chaox get his career ended by WildTurtle in his 1st game on stage.
From a dude who watch lec and some games of na i can tell you that i like turtle
Excellent video. Turtle was quite unlucky in some ways
The man, the myth, WILDTURKEY
VOYBOY next ?
ooh Vooby is an angle I hadn't considered but should have...
In my opinion, the less he smiled over the years the more his in game skills started to deteriorate. I loved watching turtle, both LCS and his streams. Last I watched him stream he just seemed so burned out and done. His first few years he just seemed happy to play. Doublelift was the reason I started playing ADC, and Turtle was the reason I kept playing ADC.
The real answer is 1 he may be 3rd in terms of gold silver bronze ranking of adcs, but other than being in the shadow of sneaky and DL because of their run and worlds, we did always hear about him and i immediately questioned on the thumbnail "is that wildturtle?" his name is well known, but NA doesnt have that community for its players other than the OGs like sneaky and DL during the prime but everyone gave up on our players because of TSM and we just didnt ever perform and the LCS didnt seem to care while the players were way overpaid
my favorite player of all LCS
did we forgot Stixxay ? he was also there for a long time and contributed a lot.
I swear when Kai'sa was released and I read her ultimate, I thought they made it specifically for WildTurtle lol. Always has my respect!
And then that Uzi guy won MSI shortly after, kinda suss.
I have to be honest, I am not from NA, but I have seen every single one of his international performances and he has always been an inter. He goes forward, and if he is ahead, that looks great (unless he faces really good teams) and if not ahead, he dies.