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- Retro Report: Six days after 9/11, the FBI's raid on a Detroit sleeper cell signaled America's resolve to fight terrorism. But, despite a celebrated conviction, there was one problem -- they'd gotten it wrong.
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"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster."
And nothing has been learned from this, nothing at all.
TopazDragon ...That’s the sad truth. 😒😐
Apparently, it's a grey area. There are no laws against it.
Still nothing.
@@renneedwards9826 b
Still didn't
The prosecutor claims HE was targeted????!!! Are you kidding me???!
I love these retro reports.
Sitting here like, "2001 wasn't that long ago why is this a retro report?"
Video was uploaded 12 years after the fact.
I'm watching it 5 years after it was uploaded.
God I feel old...
Time goes quickly my friend
You're probably in your twenties or early thirties, you still have a lot of time ahead of you with plenty of strength left in you.
Enjoy your time, work hard and limit the regrets :). You're not old!
I swear I don't feel like 2000 was 19 years ago. It feels more like 5.
Shena Reed same
And I’m reading this comment a year after you made this post. I feel old also
"Convertino... has sued the Justice Department, saying he was unfairly targeted."
Self-awareness level: 0
this is next level iron e
Yeah, sounds about right.
These sort of prosecutions are an easy way for cops & prosecutors to make a couple of quick convictions, and get promoted. When the truth comes out, they will not be held accountable
plus, these prosecutors were under a lot of pressure too. 9/11 had recently happened, everyone was desperate to 'fight the war on terror'. toxic environment
It's the old "Something must be done!" mentality. With that mindset, you lose the ability to consider each option rationally, because you've effectively removed the option of inaction before even knowing the situation. When the option comes up to do "something", you've already decided.
It's very unfortunate, but true.
7 year old comment, same thing happening now
Scribbles on a piece of paper.
The CIA: Time to get this monster.
Welcome to the US justice system, where you are guilty until proven innocent
Look at other countries justice systems then be happy u live in the US
He sued for feeling targeted? Haha wow, can’t handle it when it’s you huh
This is an important lesson for everyone
an important lesson we've seen repeated ad nauseam. Paranoia when paired with Patriotism will always seek out the nearest weakest scape goat to villify and parade before an adoring public. Did you see how the media jumped on this and ran with it without any due diligence, all to get ratings, and now they sell it back to us once again as a horrible miscarriage of justice.
iplaylax22 Dang, that makes this even more sad. It’s the truth though.
Lessons are things people learn from …
The War on Terror is basically the Salem Witch Trials of the 21st century.
Somnolent
You obviously don't know much about the Salem witch trials, but yeah sure... People get confused and angry when you mention the wors terrorism
I can't take you seriously if your online handle is "LL cool J". Try again later.
Somnolent You’re username is a synonym for fatigue and you’re a Kpop fan.
You have no room to talk.
@@somnolent4339 yes the war against terrorist organizations in the middle East is the same as the Salem witch trials, seems legit
It wasn't like the Salem Witch Trials, it was just pure prejudice.
The unfortunate lesson here: Don't trust police. Don't answer their questions. Never consent to a search. Don't physically resist if they insist on it, but say explicitly that you do not consent. If you consent, an otherwise illegal search can become a legal search, and the evidence can go from illegal to legal.
I would say cooperate with law enforcement agencies as much as you can. Help them solve issues. The police has nothing to do with this case. This is just prosecutorial misconduct.
TonboIV The second amendment was intended for corrupt cops. After a few cops pay the price, the tyrants will think twice
Yea just say some magic words and you'll be ok sure
@@hus390 don't. The police are just as incompetent and corrupt, if not more.
Judge Rosen is the hero in this case. What a Decent man !
"Nah I don't think we have to turn it over"?! The Brady disclosure and other common law practices require prosecutors to disclose any evidence that may be used against a defendant and any evidence that could exculpate them.
The prosecution and law enforcement did not make any mistakes in this matter. What they did was deliberate and knowing criminal activity. Everyone involved should be put on trial, those found to be incompetent need to be relieved of duty, those that had malicious intent in framing these innocent people should be publicly executed. There are few crimes greater than using public trust and police power to kidnap and abuse citizens.
Turtleproof well said!👈👈
I agree, albeit death isn't proper punishment. I'd put them in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. Like a "Hell's waiting room" type deal.
"US Intelligence" - an oxymoron.
a big salute to the judge!
Reminds me of that one "Arrested Development" episonde:
"No.. those are balls. See, this close, they always look like landscape"
These poor guys. This is disgusting. Their vacation videos are terrorism plannings? The abuse they've suffered everyday after still because no one ever realized the allegations are false.
“Lord, grant that I may be able in argument,
Accurate in analysis, strict in study,
Candid with clients and honest with adversaries.
Sit with me at my desk and listen with me
to my clients complaints, read with me in my library,
And stand beside me in court, so that today I shall not,
In order to win a point, lose my soul.” - St. Thomas Moore
I'm going to frame this quote for my office. Thanks
vlove562 thank you for sharing
Self introspection, like in this quote, are seldom uttered by those for whom its wisdom is most needed.
'There has been a setback today in the war on terror...'
The setback happened earlier - while a flawed case was built.
The public didn't know how bad it was at the time
I love these videos. Keep it up.
positive: justice system pulled through. judge dismissed jury's verdict
10:37 Convertino started a very successful angry stephen Colbert look alike company
I think the broader lesson is how the justice department thinks about crimes. Innocent people aren't going to ever become cooperating witnessed because they have nothing to cooperate with. It's why "coconspirator" evidence should be given so little credence. Your coconspirator is whoever you say it is or someone decides is. I can remember one murder conviction where the actual killer was told that he had to say someone was involved or his girlfriend was going to be arrested. The other person was completely involved, didn't even know him, and had witnessed that said he wasn't there. The actual murderer said multiple times he did it alone. All it took was the interpretation of the evidence by one "expert" who said there just have been two knives and suddenly he's on death row for years.
That could happen to each and every person who watches this. "Go to jail for X number of years or tell us who you worked with and you get out sooner" and people are surprised that isn't reliable? Or even better "we will execute you if you don't say what we want", or "plead guilty and you can go home or spend a year waiting on lockup". The system is built on expediency not logic.
They even tried to link them to 9/11 ITSELF?
11:04 I wish every law enforcement officer would reflect like this man before killing innocent people on the street. "We need to ask ourselves, "is it worth it...we were looking for the boogeyman.. A couple of deep breaths would have served everybody better "
Remember the bigger the country the more corrupt it is? People have been talking about it now for almost 18 years . Remember people are always the victims or villians in there own government. Thanks for the lesson. Every country should be at fault.
Never forget.
They used to be banned from America till 1952
Great video
So, why did they have the counterfeit documents? The report just says that "they were for the airport" which seems a bit vague
Sounds like something from Franz Kafka's novel.
Pile on
Huge Brady Rule violation
We have plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence.
- American prosecutors
The first Patriot Day wasn't the first Emergency Day. The first Emergency Day was September 11 (9-11) amidst the year of the advent of the original telephone (if they're in stock).
Caleb Taube & Janelle Otuwa were born on 9/11.
While what these prosecutors did was egregious, it does show the good in the American judicial system. In other countries if they want you convicted, no amount of evidence proving your innocence matters. So the fact that after receiving evidence that brought doubt upon the prosecution's case, the judge did the right thing and overturned their conviction. That's one positive thing I can take away from this story.
this comment is a troll.
Unfortunately, the reason this is a story is because it's not common. How many immigrants have been railroaded in a similar manner and never exonerated?
We all know now about the 5 dancing Israelis. How we can think they are our ally goes beyond reason. What about the Lavon Affair/1954, USS Liberty/1967, The King David Hotel/1946 so many more after the King David, which killed 90 British officers. We need to choose our friends wisely.
Brown is the new black.
Lol after all this and that guy still won't admit any wrong doing this goes to show even at the top how corrupt some of these prosecutors are.
Man I forgot how racist we got just after 9/11
Dec don’t ever forget. I realized in Iraq how racist our ops are.
America has always been racist
it shouldnt happened..
Who else can hear that sound at 0:10-0:14
Is it a high pitched drone?
7:24
Remember 911 ???????
10 secs... That's not James Comey is it?
why they do that
Only in Merica.
Like Wagner group
Why is this edited like an "Onion" parody?
we do not need women or kids we can build machines
so if there innocent why did they have all the maps and stuff? sounds suspect enough to warrant a conviction considering the time period
Sweegy Swag get a lobotomy
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Witness lie,
they still a sleepr cell. just went back to sleep. This wont be the last we hear from these arabs.
The first Patriot Day wasn't the first Emergency Day. The first Emergency Day was September 11 (9-11) amidst the year of the advent of the original telephone (if they're in stock).