Side by side or one after the other clips of the two trucks through the same terrain would be interesting to see. There really aren't any direct comparison clips like that out there for Tacos.
Stock lower control arm and tiny bit longer upper control arm is not a “Mid travel” kit. Literally stock but stronger and maybe another inch or two or travel.
Damn you really made your friend shut up and pretty much acted like that dude who is around his ex and brings up all of the things he knows about her to her new boyfriend. It got awkward after a while. I cannot lie lmfao. Dope trucks though.
Uni-ball is not a good idea unless you like dissembling your suspension just to lube it up all the time. Ball joints are way better unless your literally a desert racer or off-road only.
I've got a ram 1500 with a long travel kit being installed on the front. It has king 2.5 piggyback shocks tuned by carli on the back with beefier coil springs and adjusted roll bar connects. The front should get about 13.5 inch travel and the rear about 13 inch travel. Hopefully the back can keep up with the front dirtking kit
Very interesting hearing them call a stock length suspension setup “mid-travel”. There is no extra travel with that truck. They have just upgraded the stock suspension components to make it more off-road worthy. And the “long-travel” truck is actually mid-travel because it retains the stock coil bucket. Just my two cents.
How does that mid travel setup do on say, a pretty bump stretch of back road, pot holes etc? Tbh that's why I'm about to build one. They just won't fix our roads within about a 50 mile radius of where I live and I'm sick of it
Its funny to hear the old owner tell the new owner to take the lead on explaining the suspension, old owner takes over explaining which is the exact opposite of what the plan was.
So sad in Oz we can't do this fully illegal unless they are fully dedicated pre running trucks. Wish we could have the flexibility you guys have with modifications.
What are the travel numbers on both trucks? You never compared the numbers of them directly to each other. All you mentioned was the limit straps and extra width for the front on the long travel. You gave an estimate for the rear on long travel but didn’t on the mid travel. I have a Gen2 Raptor with Robby Woods MT setup. Nice Tacos!!!
Also, the reason I didn’t mention the numbers in the video is because travel numbers are somewhat of a pointless metric. I’ve never paid any attention to travel numbers when comparing systems. Far more important is the geometry of the suspension, and valving of the shocks. I’ve seen trucks with 12” of travel pass trucks with 17” in the big bumps. It’s all about how you set the truck up.
@@desertchief5769 however when you do have LT and it IS properly dialed in...well things change. In your example above, the 17" probably wasn't as dialed in as the 12".
I always thought medium/long travel were meant for dirt/sand/trail seekers. I do mostly trail/crawl here in the front range of the Rockies. Does medium/long travel just as important when crawling?
You’ll need fiberglass fenders for sure. You may get away without doing a cab mount chop if you can get enough caster out of your alignment, but the suspension is already such an extensive modification that trimming and cutting isn’t a big deal for most.
Hi, I've had an '03 tundra for 14 years, now with my 3rd camper weighing in at around 700 pounds, plus a couple hundred lbs in gear. I live in my camper a good chunk each year, mostly in dispersed camping regions where I encounter a lot of rough terrain. I've been considering a mid travel kit since I was a teenager! (for safety, comfort and maneuverability reasons), but my dad says they're more hassle than they're worth. Advice convincing him, or is he right? And no, don't need his mula, just his blessing. Trapped. Thanks.
Are you able to long travel anything 4wd like I have a 94 tahoe that I wanted to long travel because I never see anyone do it and is it because it doesn’t work or is it just no one feels like it’s “cool” enough
If I were to do an extended travel kit would I be able to do the front first, wait a few months then do the rear, or would that mess with the truck too much?
why does everybody like the nitto tires so much is it because of the price? unfortunately Mickey Thompson discontinued the tire I was using but compared to the nitto. traction in all conditions except for wet road was better. the nitto did excel in wet road. but in mud snow ice sand the Mickey Thompson outperform the nitto in ride tenfold. and with the Mickey Thompson's I didn't ever get stuck. I got 30,000 miles out of the nitto trail grappler and 50,000 good miles out of the Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ. not going to lie I did run them for 80,000 miles. off-roading every single day working in a mine. Street applications you can't beat a Cooper tire.
I don't dislike your channel, but when you do a premier upload I can't add it to watch later from the notification and the uploads are starting to make me ignore your channel and are annoying. Just $0.02 from a subscriber.
I know it's nit picky, but I'd say 14" front and 19" rear travel is the minimum to qualify as "mid travel"... Long travel would be at least 19" front and 24" rear.
@@DrivingLine Makes sense if its under the axle. which is the way to go either way for a leaf system. I am at the moment looking into adding more travel on a current generation F-150
I hate my mid travel on my 98 extra cab. Absolute garbage. Fabtech coils with total choas upper arms and full gusset kit. Alignment is impossible. Worst purchase, project ever started. Dont do it, horrible alignment and eating the fuhk out of my Falken 33 M/T
This is funny.. you two are not very educated or very experienced in offroad world.. your not much more educated than someone that works at 4wheel parts..or orw. N that's not saying much
long travel vs mid travel.. with no actual video of them driving lmfao. go find a mall.
Right!?!? 30 minutes and no performance video? Good info, not a waste of time, but not as gratifying without some flex!
The guy says "I'll let you take the wing" and literally DOESN'T LET HIM EXPLAIN!!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Side by side or one after the other clips of the two trucks through the same terrain would be interesting to see. There really aren't any direct comparison clips like that out there for Tacos.
I’m general lol not just tacos I’d love to see some here in 2022 I’m trynna mid travel my obs suburban and ls swap it
Very helpful video. I'm a rookie with all this and now I'm leaning towards long travel. Thank you!
Sure if you want to trophy drive your truck. If you want to wheel and adventure on steep off camber mountain trails mid travel wins
Perfect video!! Have been going back and forth for months now!! Glad you put it in perspective for me
Funny how he said to his friend to describe it but he was talking the whole time lmao.
He wouldn't shut the fuck up. Just dominated the whole time. I could watch much because of it.
Stock lower control arm and tiny bit longer upper control arm is not a “Mid travel” kit. Literally stock but stronger and maybe another inch or two or travel.
Damn you really made your friend shut up and pretty much acted like that dude who is around his ex and brings up all of the things he knows about her to her new boyfriend. It got awkward after a while. I cannot lie lmfao. Dope trucks though.
Uni-ball is not a good idea unless you like dissembling your suspension just to lube it up all the time. Ball joints are way better unless your literally a desert racer or off-road only.
You dont lube them, you get teflon lined ones. They are run dry.
I've got a ram 1500 with a long travel kit being installed on the front. It has king 2.5 piggyback shocks tuned by carli on the back with beefier coil springs and adjusted roll bar connects. The front should get about 13.5 inch travel and the rear about 13 inch travel. Hopefully the back can keep up with the front dirtking kit
Worth the money for the dirt king kit?
@@keithwolfington7013 yep
Very interesting hearing them call a stock length suspension setup “mid-travel”. There is no extra travel with that truck. They have just upgraded the stock suspension components to make it more off-road worthy. And the “long-travel” truck is actually mid-travel because it retains the stock coil bucket. Just my two cents.
Self cleared...love it 🤣🤙
How does that mid travel setup do on say, a pretty bump stretch of back road, pot holes etc? Tbh that's why I'm about to build one. They just won't fix our roads within about a 50 mile radius of where I live and I'm sick of it
Mid travel would be fine
Very informative video, thanks a lot
Didn’t let the dude talk about his truck at all.. lol.
The leaf under pack compromises your clearence, though it's a stronger suspension setup
What front bumper is the one where it wraps around the headlights ?
Its funny to hear the old owner tell the new owner to take the lead on explaining the suspension, old owner takes over explaining which is the exact opposite of what the plan was.
So sad in Oz we can't do this fully illegal unless they are fully dedicated pre running trucks. Wish we could have the flexibility you guys have with modifications.
So if you’re going overlanding it would be better to go with mid travel?
so what would a rear long travel setup look like in a 4runner where you cant run a bedcage?
What are the travel numbers on both trucks? You never compared the numbers of them directly to each other. All you mentioned was the limit straps and extra width for the front on the long travel. You gave an estimate for the rear on long travel but didn’t on the mid travel.
I have a Gen2 Raptor with Robby Woods MT setup.
Nice Tacos!!!
MT truck is about 9.5-10” up front, about 11-12” in the rear.
LT truck is 14” front with 4WD, 18” rear.
Also, the reason I didn’t mention the numbers in the video is because travel numbers are somewhat of a pointless metric. I’ve never paid any attention to travel numbers when comparing systems. Far more important is the geometry of the suspension, and valving of the shocks. I’ve seen trucks with 12” of travel pass trucks with 17” in the big bumps. It’s all about how you set the truck up.
@@desertchief5769 however when you do have LT and it IS properly dialed in...well things change. In your example above, the 17" probably wasn't as dialed in as the 12".
@@tundraspecialops That's exactly my point. But a vast majority of trucks out there have shocks on them that have never been opened up and revalved.
@@desertchief5769 I follow you
icons... thank God I got Kings
Newbie question here, is there long travel kit for 5th gen 4runner rear suspension?
I always thought medium/long travel were meant for dirt/sand/trail seekers. I do mostly trail/crawl here in the front range of the Rockies. Does medium/long travel just as important when crawling?
when crawling sas
Can you go long travel without cutting on a 3rd gen Tacoma?
You’ll need fiberglass fenders for sure. You may get away without doing a cab mount chop if you can get enough caster out of your alignment, but the suspension is already such an extensive modification that trimming and cutting isn’t a big deal for most.
@@DrivingLine Thank you for answering my question :)
Whats the difference between rclt marlin crawler. From Lets say camburg or dirt king system?
Both tacos are mid travel, unless you have removed the factory coil over bucket it’s not long travel more over a chase truck “mid travel”
Hi, I've had an '03 tundra for 14 years, now with my 3rd camper weighing in at around 700 pounds, plus a couple hundred lbs in gear. I live in my camper a good chunk each year, mostly in dispersed camping regions where I encounter a lot of rough terrain. I've been considering a mid travel kit since I was a teenager! (for safety, comfort and maneuverability reasons), but my dad says they're more hassle than they're worth. Advice convincing him, or is he right? And no, don't need his mula, just his blessing. Trapped. Thanks.
Are you able to long travel anything 4wd like I have a 94 tahoe that I wanted to long travel because I never see anyone do it and is it because it doesn’t work or is it just no one feels like it’s “cool” enough
If I were to do an extended travel kit would I be able to do the front first, wait a few months then do the rear, or would that mess with the truck too much?
So are the gussets on the front end home made? The lowers ok, yes. Are the uppers stamped steal? Are they for sale?
So could I just replace the leaf springs with OEM Toyota leafs? I’m not too worried about the height and I never haul any weight.
Deaver leaf springs. Awesome!
I think our spaces in Hawai’i are smaller than yours. We have illegal freeway lanes that semis can barely fit
How much did you spend on the whole long travel kit in total? I have a Ford ranger and I’m looking into upgrading the suspension.
Look up APG Off-Road
why does everybody like the nitto tires so much is it because of the price? unfortunately Mickey Thompson discontinued the tire I was using but compared to the nitto. traction in all conditions except for wet road was better. the nitto did excel in wet road. but in mud snow ice sand the Mickey Thompson outperform the nitto in ride tenfold. and with the Mickey Thompson's I didn't ever get stuck. I got 30,000 miles out of the nitto trail grappler and 50,000 good miles out of the Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ. not going to lie I did run them for 80,000 miles. off-roading every single day working in a mine. Street applications you can't beat a Cooper tire.
I don't dislike your channel, but when you do a premier upload I can't add it to watch later from the notification and the uploads are starting to make me ignore your channel and are annoying. Just $0.02 from a subscriber.
What happened to the driver battles :(
I know it's nit picky, but I'd say 14" front and 19" rear travel is the minimum to qualify as "mid travel"... Long travel would be at least 19" front and 24" rear.
Fountain Valley?
If you do the rear first won't you be having an insane rake? I imagine the leaf springs and bigger shocks add more height.
Depends on the setup. This Deaver spring under system on the LT truck barely adds any lift.
@@DrivingLine Makes sense if its under the axle. which is the way to go either way for a leaf system. I am at the moment looking into adding more travel on a current generation F-150
@@hermanvirgen5712 The F150 is a solid platform to add suspension Too. But make sure you reinforce the body. Otherwise it'll submerge on the frame.
amazing vid guys, Id pay you to help me configure my taco…you’ve got so much knowledge!!
Sounds like getting a canaam mav is all the fun with less $$ or worries involved
Agreed
Yeah they are great until you piss off a swarm of bees or wasps out on a trail.. no ac no heat and no windows lol no thanks I’ll keep my 30k
deaverleafsprings?
The long travel truck has them out back!
Thank god you are not at the mall.
Why does this look like a Costco in fountain valley?
That's cool and all, put em on an ramp
Maybe you mentioned in the video already and I missed it, but I'm wondering why you keep the mid-travel Taco?
Brad's daily driven truck which he also uses for work (requiring a truck bed). That is one advantage over the long travel truck.
@@desertchief5769 ah, ok thanks
Main difference is you're either very wealthy or you're just bearly getting by
Idk if I’d call that long travel
Tacomaworld is definitely not a good forum 😂🤦🏼♂️
Is that B Meal ?
Dude lmfao
Shock hoops/mounts in bed.. it's not a cage..bed cage, I wish weekend warriors would stop calling it bed cage
Someone didn’t oil their shock, all rusted out
I hate my mid travel on my 98 extra cab. Absolute garbage. Fabtech coils with total choas upper arms and full gusset kit. Alignment is impossible. Worst purchase, project ever started. Dont do it, horrible alignment and eating the fuhk out of my Falken 33 M/T
Do I even need a Tacoma?
Yes
Imagine putting your video in an add. It's so bad it they have to pay for ppl to notice it.
let him talk please
your tires are too wide
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i wouldnt call anything like that "long travel"
just some $600 bump stops
This is funny.. you two are not very educated or very experienced in offroad world.. your not much more educated than someone that works at 4wheel parts..or orw. N that's not saying much
Boring 🥱🥱🥱🥱...... just don’t buy a taco
both are trash ford is better
Yeah I love the Ford focus 🤩