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- The New England Patriots continue to seek success post Tom Brady era and aim to do so this year. Owner Robert Kraft says that while he loves the team, he 'wants Super Bowl' No. 7. Colin Cowherd dives into Bill Belichick's record without Brady, then explains why he is inching closer to the hot seat. Travis Kelce discusses being underpaid with Vanity Fair, saying that 'I love winning. I love the situation I'm in.' This comes after managers and agents share how underpaid the TE is. Colin reacts to Kelce's comments.
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Dak and Kirk catching strays in the Travis Kelce segment LOL
😂😂😂😂😂...
Wuz about to comment that !
Mets too... ouch.
Colin can you please explain this to Mike Florio?
Kelce was elite with Alex smith already, a good qb. I don’t like the implication that he’s saying mahomes making kelce
About time someone in mainstream media addressed this. However let's be fair, winning 11 games in a 16 game season and not making the playoffs is almost impossible. That was a fluke year.
LOL, Jets, Bills and Dolphins won 19 out of 30 against non divisional teams.
Belidiot is a master of feeding on lousy offense and inexperienced QB, I give you that, and you should have learned it from last 3 seasons.
It's like when they went I belive 10-6 with Matt Cassell when Brady got hurt game 1 against the chiefs
@@areyou4realbruh Ya, because of super easy schedule and 1 year wonder (opponents didn't have video on QB).
Well Done Colin, on both stories.
“They couldn’t make the playoffs with Matt Cassel going 11-5”. It’s incredibly rare to not make playoffs winning 11+ games how do you hold that against him?
You need to take a closer look at the ‘08 season. While the patriots were good with Cassel, they were not great. 4 of their 5 losses were to teams that did make the playoffs including the eventual super bowl champion Steelers who beat them in NE. They also lost to the dolphins and jets at home. Brady doesn’t lose those games.
There hasn't been an 11+ game winner since to not make the playoffs. Never will be again.
Well, it was the greatest players Bill ever assembled (virtually the 07 squad minus Brady), and a QB in Matt Cassel that was decent enough to take the Chiefs to their first playoff in 7 years in his only other un injured season… Honestly it’s kind of the perfect example of what Brady meant to the Patriots. They went from the highest scoring team in history (only ever beat by the 2012 Broncos), and the only team to ever be 18-0 in one season (Dolphins did their run in just 17 games), to the 8th highest scoring team, and missing the playoffs 🤷♂️
@@scottburns9648because there are 2 additional playoff spots, thats why.
@@anitafloyd2554 Yes, thanks Captain Obvious.
Ten years is longer than 99% of coaches. And he’s had a 1st round QB in every season but the Cassel year.
I’ve been saying this for TWO YEARS. Thankfully other folks are figuring this out. Hope the Pats don’t figure it out for another three years.
The Andy Reid vs Belichick debate gets more interesting if Belichick keeps struggling and Andy Reid wins another Super Bowl or 2. Andy Reid got too 5 Championship games with out Mahomes, while Belichick has 1 playoff win without Brady
No debate right now, Reid is the best coach in the league today
This whole notion is quite crazy. Outside of brady, belichick has had backup quality qbs as starters. Outside of mahomes, andy reid has had top 10, pro bowl type qbs and could never break through for a super bowl win. Please.
@@scruffd0g193false.
No. Reid cannot see Bellichick.
wild take lol. andy reid was considered a choke artist all the way until 2019, and now hes suddenly the goat?? because he finally won the game that bill won 20+ years ago?
One thing that is often overlooked in considering Belichick's legacy is that for more than a decade he coached against horrible teams in the AFC East. The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins generally had overmatched coaches and awful QBs. It wasn't that hard to win the AFC East, particularly between 2010 and 2020.
Brady made Belichick look like the greatest head coach of all time. Without him he's mid and just another coach.
I would love to hear people who disagree with this.. cause I really don't know what their arguments would be ...
BB looks more and more like a very good DC to me.. not coach though...
@@menaceclan My argument would be, The 2018 Super Bowl. Only having to score 9 points to win a SB and people act like he's some god
@@drip2hard976what do you mean? They scored 13 and the week before they scored 37 in the conference championship. If they needed to score more points the pats would have take a different play style. BB is great at defense and game management. But don't act like Brady didn't learn that ring as well. When he needed to play well he did.
It's STUNNING that people still think the patriots dynasty was more Belichick than Brady. Bill Belichick's career coaching record was 41-57 the day Tom Brady took over as starting quarterback in September of 2001
I didn't know Brady was responsible for all of the elite defenses the Patriots had too
Ridiculous. Coaches have to put them in the right situation and run the right schemes to set the players up for success. Did Brady kick those field goals the Patriots won with? Brady is great but yall are over the top. Funny how coaches take all the blame but never get the praise.
@duskdeepensHow many superstars did the 2003-04 Detroit Pistons have?
@@cbcbrown88 you talkin about 4x all stars in Rasheed and Ben Wallace alongside 3x all-star Chauncey Billups? Ben also lead the league in rebounds, blocked shots, and was defensive player of the year in 03.
@duskdeepens I said SUPERSTARS... That team was fueled by excellent teamwork and Larry Brown. If you think otherwise please stop watching sports. If anyone in history thinks Billups or Rip were ever superstars then their extremely slow.
As a pats fan i caught a ton of heat for this in ne. After the super bowl where they beat la, that was the time to move on from bill and rebuild around mcdaniels and brady. Though josh may not have been the right hc, i wouldve stuck with brady over bill. It was obvious at that point the tallent had hit rock bottom and they were winning in spite of bills ability to adapt.
I’m a Chiefs fan. I want my team to be the team of the decade, but even I can see that the Patriots and their fans are out of control. You guys need to come back to earth. Youre the dynasty of the 2000s and 2010s. I would be saturated with that. When I see Pats fans wanting more I attack. They’re more than rich and want riches and want to keep down other teams. That’s when you’ve crossed the line from fan to bully and dictator. Thank God the NFL deals with dictators and bullies. They smack them down
What? The game was won because of Belichick more than Brady.
He's a control freak..he would rather hire a guy unqualified within his circle vs going out and bringing in best OC possible. It was just a narcissistic, stubborn move. He didn't wanna delegate any power. Also, players hate the envt. It's good to have standards and show tough love, but you gotta loosen up a bit and let players have some fun. You're playing a game for a living. Not saying he isn't a good coach. He's great schematically on d and he's won a lot of SBs. I think we're seeing Brady had the most to do with it though. He's been average without him.
I think Don Henley was better solo than w/ the Eagles
Facts
Belichik with Brady was definitely best qb/coach combo I've ever witnessed, but Reid may be able to take the Best Coach Ever crown if Mahomes has the career that we all think he possibly can.
All Belidiot's greatness was build on Brady's ability of turning cheap slot receivers into top play makers.
If Burrow had been able to score 24 or more, Bengals would have won the SB and would have been in SB again, and that is what Brady did in 2003 and 2004 playoff.
he'd need another 5 Sb wins. not happening
I have been arguing this to friends for years being from Cleveland area. He had Jordan on his team that took less moneyfor 20 years and now he is gone
All I can say is Belichick was smart enough to make an UNPROVEN QB out of College his starting QB so quit bad mouthing the guy and his him credit for what he did do right.
Been saying that about BB for decades. He was a bust in Cleveland and would’ve been an after thought if it wasn’t for Brady. Pat fans should be happy for Brady.
Youre being short sighted. Hes had bad qbs outside of tom brady. Can he get at least a perennial pro bowl qb to replace brady?
@@deangeloj4349 Jimmy G, Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe are bad now? Mac Jones sucks but you're definitely not familiar with how good QB has been for Belichick.
im confused. for 20 years it was "brady isnt the GOAT. hes just carried by a good team with a good defense. and good coaching. hes just a game manager."
so which one is it?
@@OpaqueNihilist jimmy G and bledsoe barely played more than a handful of games under bill
@@RyanRenteria if it's more than 16 games it definitely counts... 17 for Jimmy, 18 for Drew.
"He wouldn't if Kirk Cousins was his quarterback" 😂😂😂
he cooking bill up🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
Sorry dude, Gronk was absolutely a better TE. better receiver at his peak, and a way better blocker his entire career.
Didn’t Colin leave ESPN for more money? Guess he doesn’t get it
colin eating this bill up 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Go back and look how he did Bernie Koser dirty in Cleveland. The man is nothing without Brady.
Joe Gibbs is the GOAT coach; he won 3 SBs with three different quarterbacks.
Let that sink in.
When it comes to Sunday, there is arguably no one better than BB at in game adjustments and scheming up correctly, however, I will say as far as drafting and acquiring free agents, he can be subpar.....I love BB but that is my take
Travis knows how to enjoy life and he shows that on the field.
McDaniels has also been trash without Brady for that matter ...
Andy Reid wouldn’t be in a conversation with Bill if it wasn’t for Mahomes.
No he was then and still is now but now he has rings
Well.. the game has changed. It's all about Off now and he is Def coach. Game itself has shifted away from him.
He's stubborn in adjusting to this as well. The least he could do is hire the right people on offense to compensate, like other defensive HCs do
@@supastar25 agree that he is losing his touch. everybody gets old and stubborn. i'm just sick of ppl trying to diminished his legacy.
Bill Belicheck should be kissing Tom Brady's rings... Tom being the GOAT is literally the backbone of "The Patriot Way"... Bill getting to be a stern, strict a** because he was "soooo goood."
Please.
Colin is right on the money.
“& watch his personal life unravel “ what this guy be talking about man🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bill would resign he wouldn’t get fired
That's the way they'd play it, but he'll be fired nonetheless. I don't think Robert Kraft liked the fact that Belichick ran Brady out of Boston and then Kraft had to watch Brady engineer yet another Super Bowl championship. Kraft is just waiting for the right time and he will dump Belichick. And yes, of course, they will position it as Belichick resigned to spend more time with his family.
How much success did Bill Walsh have without Joe Montana? How much success did Chuck Knoll have without Terry Bradshaw? What about Marv Levy without Jim Kelly? How good was any coach after Payton Manning left?
I get the point but not making the playoffs @ 11-5 is crazy fr .
Crazy how Donovan McNabb’s legacy is so disrespected. Let’s not act like Reid didn’t have an elite QB in Philly all those years 🤷♂️
Let's keep it real, Tom Brady was the greatest QB of all time. These high calibre QBs are rare and carry franchises. Once you lose your starting QB of 19 years, you can't just expect to keep a winning team. It's not the 1990s or 2000s anymore, either. Even Belichick's defenses (which were Top 3 in every major defensive statistic last year) can't make up for such a huge loss. It is a QB centred league. And Mac Jones ain't it. New England is gonna go through the same motions as every team who is in need of a franchise QB. Btw, Belichick is the coach who favors old tough defense and a power run game. Whereas Andy Reid is an offensive guru who had Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and Alex Smith before he had Mahomes. The QBs who played under Bill as a head coach were Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe. Times have changed. Just accept it. You got 6 SBs out of it. I am saying that as a Packers fan cause we had 30 years of great HoF QBs play and we only got 2 SBs out of it. Very dark times are awaiting. Just cherish your memories, Pats! There is no second Brady.
Any normal year they would have made the playoffs as a 11-5 team.
Colts Went 12-4 and a as a wildcard team. Titans had a crazy year where they went 13-3 or 14-2. Then you had Baltimore with Joe Flacco as a rookie going to the AFC championship game. Miami’s going 11-5 and winning the division after the 1-15 season season. Cardinals were close to winning the superbowl. That year was crazy
That one year where Afc had like three 13 win teams.
Well how many times did they get caught cheating
The love of money doesn't make you a winner.. Go Chiefs
Players are willing to take less if they believe it can help winning SB.
Fans of Belidiot don't know what came first : it was Brady who made players believe they could win, not Belidiot.
@@williamli6200Fraudy fans are delusional, only reason belichick hasnt won is because he doesnt have a good qb, period
@@deangeloj4349 Do you think Belidiot knows offense more than Patricia does?
if you think he does, why didn't he work on offense and called the plays?
Belidiot is a garbage on offense. That is why he couldn't accomplish anything without Tom Brady.
@@williamli6200 give belichick: aaron rodgers, peyton manning, joe montana, mahomes and he wins more super bowls in 20 years than he did with fraudy
@@deangeloj4349 LOL, that is what Belitard thought.
You think a QB who made some amazing *throws to WR BEHIND defenders* can do what Brady did with *receviers IN FRONT OF defenders?* you have no clue at all.
Bill O’Brien and Mac gel. Both where at Alabama with Saban. O’Brien was Brady’s OC before McDaniels and had a good rapport. O’Brien is good OC but terrible HC. He’ll have enough and good plays for Mac. Look what he did with Watson at Houston couple years back. They both torched Belichicks defense with Brady when Houston played them. Mac is in good hands. Patience people. Belichick knows what he’s doing. Takes time to get back on track after a departed Goat.
your forgetting Belichicks work on the giants as a DC, he won a ring there and his playbook is in the hall of fame
Colin is really pocket watching out here😂
Kelce would be just as good with any other qb. He was this good with Alex Smith and Smith is about the same level as Prescott
Greatest defensive coach and the greatest offensive coach
I don’t know if you can hate on Belichick like that, he’s got the best 3rd down defense of all time. He never coached offense on the pats, yes Brady is goat but there’s way more to the game than a qb to win 7 sb.
I agree ☝️ here kelce will loose 50 mill now but will have 3 rings and podcasts and tv job and career winning is fun 🤩
I don't know.. Kelce finds a way to be open every play..
Andy Reid is the best Offensive mind since Bill Walsh. Has the potential to go down as one of the best coaches, if not, the best coach in history. And I’m a freakin Charger fan. I’ve seen everyone of his games since he came into the division. PAIN!
Chiefs fan.. respect. FYI I hope the Chargers get at least one SB win before its all said and done.
i mean, kyle shanahan is far more influential in the league right now. i dont see how hes not easily the best offensive coach in the NFL. theres a good 10 teams that are running his scheme. and no andy reid will never be the GOAT. he needs to win at the current rate he is for another 10 years to be in that conversation. he was considered a poor game manager and a choke artist until 2019
I feel the same except I'm a life long Broncos fan. Every time I watch a game Reid is coaching there's at least one offensive play that A)I've never seen before and B) is such an intelligent and well timed football innovation. My poor Broncos might extend their losing streak against KC for the next several years because of the genius of Reid and skill from Mahomes and it really hurts to admit it.
@@BIgKC913 I appreciate that! I hope so too.
Travis is going to make more money when he retires than he'll ever make in the NFL. Someone is going to write that man a check to keep him on TV one way or another. He'll be fine.
EVERY coach needs superstars to win. The pats dynasty was 50% bill and 50% brady. Brady never played defense folks. Bill as a gm is a different discussion though
Travis did have two 1'000 yards season before pat
Belichick appears to be allergic to offense...he's finished.
but he creates a very good defense
For Kelsey is all good until year 12 when they cut you and now you feel you should have gotten more money
Issue with the coach-QB dilemma:
Colin often likens the power of quarterbacks to the invention of the internet or nuclear physics, i.e. that while other facets of the game, the physicality, the running game, etc. are old fundamentals that you teach to middle school kids, these are more like “maintenance things” in today’s league, like “constant variables” if you will, and the quarterback is the modern technology - the separating factor - that decides success. It makes sense, as the quarterback is the distributor of the football and the strategic field commander of the team. Physicality, speed and athleticism of the rest of the team is good, but all of that is transcended by a quarterback who can slot the ball through a tight seam and intellectually dissect any defense. “Good coverage” back then meant not getting completely burnt by a 5-yard margin; now, a DB can stick with a receiver perfectly, yet the body angle of the receiver is considered “open” for a modern quarterback, and I ffense trumps defense nowadays. And such is modernity - transformation cooking transaction as we tread on through time. I enjoy his stoic honesty - his willingness to admit that the quarterback position is the final frontier, our travel through space, the advent of A.I., the paradigm that will put to bed inefficient old sentiments - and he himself has attributed this to his west-coast “get with the times” culture - as opposed to staying sentimental and pretending that “running the ball and playing defense” - the good ol’ fashion way - will seal your success; that’s the Steelers, and they haven’t been hot lately.
But he contradicts himself.
He considers the quarterback transcendent, yet he still makes attributions to other parts of the team - as if the quarterback ISN’T transcendent.
There’s an idea in philosophy called inefficient explanation. That is, if your original clause is that X perfectly explains Z, then in the event of XY=Z, there’s no reason to assume that Y had any part in producing Z. The most likely occurrence would be that the presence of X is what led to Z, and Y so far is considered incidental, or tag-along.
This is scary to Patriots fans who want to embellish and enshrine Belichick as equally attributable in the Patriots’ dynasty after Brady had left, because basically what that’s banking on is the coincidence of two legends at once. Since Brady is a legend, and he left the Patriots in dust of mediocrity while going on to win a Super Bowl in one season’s difference, there’s nothing that Belichick can concretely claim as evidence of his own dominance as a coach, and evermore frightening is the possibility that he was the redundant Y in that X(Y)=Z equation.
It's so many moving parts on a football team man from the top down, to put it all on Bill is wild. You really do have to get lucky and have the right guys on the field to be successful. And then be even more lucky for guys to stick around to be a dynasty. My point is, it always has, and will always be, most dependent on the players.
For a long time, Bill is the de facto GM of Patriots. So, it is not wild to hold him accountable for poor rosters.
Ever ask why he could build the team in a way no other coaches could? because he had Tom Brady.
Then he should get no Credit for all Superbowls since there are so many factors..... Double standard
@@williamli6200Thats the case when you have a good qb and a good coach, yes lmao that not unique to brady
@@ivanrendon624he should get no credit for his super bowls because he cant win a super bowl with bailey zappe? Who can???!!!🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣
I would have fired Belichick for throwing Super Bowl LII.
Aren't all the great coaches and the best of their records ultimately tied to one player? Landry - Staubach, Noll - Bradshaw, Parcells - Taylor, Reid - Mahomes, Walsh - Montana, and the other way around - Tied to players who couldn't win the big one, Shula - Marino :: The point is mute, name me a dynasty coach who's career isn't tied to an all time player - Shula for all his wins, the reason he didn't win more big games was because he didn't have that player. . . I don't see the big point trying to be made. If Mac Jones turns the corner and becomes even just a middling QB that defence may get him another one. . . .then what.
Give him a Burrow or Heinecke type qb w a top 5 defense
You all missing the point who was Andy Reid quarterbacks they were top five to top ten QBs
No normal person actually believes his job is in Jeopardy , im a huge brady fan , but no one person wins a superbowl & being coach & gm , he put a team together yr after yr for 20 years that will never be duplicated , get a like & stop using famous names to shot on , just to have something to talk about
We all remeber Brady intercepting Russ at the goal line, and TB12 defense shutting down McVay's offense
No, but we remember Brady driving for 2 tds in the qtr to take that lead. The defense didnt bail Brady out, they bailed themselves out after allowing Seattle to drive with little resistance. Brady didnt show McVays offense down, but he sure did win a shootouts vs Mahomes by dropping 37 pts in a game that was the real Superbowl anyway..thats after dropping 41 pts and 344 yards the divisional game against the Chargers.
@@anitafloyd2554 yes, but cant we at least see by our conjuct description, that Brady is the greatest QB in the hsitory of the game so far, and that Bill is no Jim Mora.
If NE goes up, and the defense is led by Dan Quinn. And HC is McArthy, game stopps due to TO by Dallas, and Seattle scores.
My point is this is the uktimate TEAM game, yes. Brady, Patrick, Montana, Elway, Manning is good to have a franchise QB, but you only win if the rest of team and coaching is superb.
Heck, even Reid, he was down 10 with 2 minutes to go in SB against NE and McNabb was acting like there were 10 minutes left.
Not to mention that his Tree is rotten… McDaniels, Matt Patricia… people also forget that Ernie Adams was a big loss
Impossible for Belichick to be on a so-called "Hot Seat"
It’s crazy how this guys was praised and all of sudden he ain’t good no more. As a Jets fan you know my feelings on this guy but 8 games with a defensive coordinator as the OC!!! Put some respect on his name. I am glad he is loosing but we have to be better
Belecheck losing record before an d after Brady is all the respect he gets as men we create our own legacy not live off of another man's belecheck legacy is losing Brady s legacy is winning even with out belecheck get over it
Casual Mets diss
Lol ok and Pat wouldn’t have Super Bowls without kelce. You get benefits when you win and it takes all of them
Rudy! Coach Carter! Coach Herb! Jimmy Morris!!
Bs take on bill
Man Belichick is bulletproof. He can't even spell Hot Seat.
Exactly. Reid hasnt won a SB without Mahomes. Yet Cowherd LOVVEESSSS Reid. Cowherd has some awful takes and this is one of them
@@Adam-qf2rq Who’s the BETTER NFL Head Coach?🤔
Andy Reid was 182-115 without Patrick Mahomes.
Andy Reid is 64-16 with Patrick Mahomes.
Bill Belichick is 79-87 without Tom Brady.
Bill Belichick was 219-64 with Tom Brady.
@@Adam-qf2rq Bill Belichick is by far the most overrated head coach in NFL history.
@@broderickcrawford8110
Imagine just choosing to overlook McNabb. Dude SHOULD have won a SB.
@@Adam-qf2rq he was competitive....Bill Belichick hasn't been. That's the point.
Multiple
I don't understand it...I don't understand the idolization....admiration is ok..but to idolize or worship is sick!
As far as I can tell, Belichick wasn't "made by Brady," but he took care of the offense, and Belichick doesn't know how that side of the ball works past defending it. Belichick is great at hiring and developing coaches, but he can't draft and develop talent for the offense if his life depended on it, so he's not a good GM in the slightest.
I'm just guessing his ego's getting a bit out of control and he can't just make the necessary steps to make the offense right.
All of his greatness was built on Brady's ability of turning cheap slot receivers into top play makers.
Do you think Belichick knows more about offense than Patricia? if he doesn, when didn't he work on offense and call plays?
Belichick is a garbage on offense, his defense was PAPER TIGER, you should have seen it in last 3 seasons.
Tom Brady became the play he was because of Bill, if he were anywhere else doesn't have the same career so let's stop with the Bill hate and criticism, Bill made the playoffs with Mac Jones and last year he made a mistake with the coaching decision, stop talking about this
Brady is the only good QB Bellicheck has ever had. Reid had somebody good and couldn't win. The only thing that matters is if you lifted a trophy at the end of the year. It's a yes or no question. To do that you need a great QB, which is how both coaches have ever won trophies.
But at least Andy has had success without Patrick he at least went to the Superbowl and made the playoffs on multiple occasions I can't say the same for bill
NO Colin, Mr. Smith got his team to the playoffs....NOT the Coach.....Gees
He won in Cleveland… went 11-5 and won a playoff game
He went
1991 6-10
1992 7-9
1993 7-9
1994 11-5
1995 5-11 in Cleveland, with a team that went to the afc championship game in 1986, 1987, and 1989
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 the team went 3-13 the year before he got there…
@Drew_F1 Yes, they had one bad year, after making the playoffs for five consecutive years
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 he was a very frustrating coach to watch in Cleveland. The fans hated him. We called it "Billy-ball" - running a play to get one yard to get to the kicker's preferred hash mark.
1 playoff game in ten seasons as head coach with out Brady wow if losing is good then belecheck cracked the code 7 out of ten losing seasons 1 play off appearance 1 play off win there are coaches that done way better then that and got fired
Travis Kelce has been have a 1000+ Rev years season before Patrick Mahomes
I was just talking about this. Reid is the goat coach not belichick
The belichik take is both true and not true at the same time.
Bill as a HC and defensive mind is a top coach even without brady. His schemes, knowledge, coaching, are all top tier.
Bill as an overall HC and GM is very lacking in many areas without brady. He is hot garbage at evaluating talent and has been for a very long time.
So the question "is he the goat coach without brady" imo no he wouldnt be. And no its not just that every coach needs a great player.
Its that brady specifically mask the major problems bill has (getting players, not adapting coaching and playstyle overtime, etc)
I beleive coaches from the past in this salary cap era with a qb that was healthy for 20 years, took less money, was a great leader, and a top qb every year are better than bill overall.
As just a coach tho no gm i think hes top 3 or so for sure.
Is there a more conceded sports hosts then these two guys? Always bragging about going somewhere most people can afford. I can’t stand it anymore.
Lol Kobe tried to leave 3 times
Time for NE to move on!
Who drafted Brady
Michael Jackson left the group it worked out pretty good for him lol
Brady 75%, Bill 15%. He will be a patriot until he retired. He should retired in a year. He stunt Marc Jones growth last year! Kelsey should make at least 17-20M/yr!
Yeah if we are going to look at stats then how can you possibly come close to calling Kelce the best that has ever played that position. I would love for someone to compare the numbers of Kelce and Gronk just like he did for the coaches Bill and Andy.
Edit: don’t get me wrong I like Kelce and think he has a great personality and his podcast is enjoyable but comparing stats I don’t think he is close to being in the conversation of goated TE.
He’s a .500 coach in the hardest division in football.
It was the easiest division for a long time Rhodie Pody
@@kang7664 and those years he won 6 superbowls
No way you think that's the hardest division.
Colin Multiplie Cowherd
If Kraft would have allowed Belichick to move off of Brady earlier, NE would have a few more CHIPS.
Kraft was too busy hanging out with Epstein
😂 I'm sorry what? They would have been trash sooner you mean.
This comment is the equivalent of saying the chiefs should move on from Mahomes rn. That's the level of delusion it's on.
He wants to get paid like his older brother
Been saying bill is overrated
Kellce should be paid like a top receiver. Which is about $28 million per
Thankfully he knows better.
What money is made being HOF player or considered the GOAT at your position when you retire? His no.s w MaHomes is gonna dwarf everyone.
Ok so if Kelce doesn't care about money why was he the highest-paid TE? If Kelce who im a fan of sounds extremely bitter he picked the wrong position. if NY Jets offered him 30 million dollars Kelce is taking that without a second thought. This is like a guy who said I would take a pay cut to play as a celtics fan but when in reality Kings offered you a max deal Celtics offer you 10 mill youre taking that max deal.
BREAKING: coach can’t win with bad QBs
Bill should have run after 2021 season going 10-7. He had plausible deniability. He could have named his price anywhere. Not now, he’s been exposed.
They went 11-5 so what they did t make the playoffs. That was the only down year pats had and it’s better then your favorite teams best year
LOL, Jets, Bills and Dolphins won 19 out of 30 against non divisional teams. in 2008.
Belidiot is a master of feeding on lousy offense and inexperienced QB, I give you that, and you should have learned it from last 3 seasons.
I don't care about winning because winning is not going to take care of my family down the line😂😂😂 give me the 30 million per year
Actually it goes. Kelce makes a ton in endorsements
Imagine what Hill makes including his endorsement
@@user-yi7wc6kw9r What companies is Tyreek a spokesman for? Since he left KC, I haven't seen him in anything. Is he in a lot of commercials in the Miami area?
@@markb3786 Kelce still doesn't make make more than Hill with his Endorsement and contract combined 😂😂😂
Bill is a great defensive coach, but not a good draft guy, built those SB teams on vets that wanted to play with Tom, would take less to win, now no Tom, bad drafts mostly, still very good defense but talent not there via draft