The battle droids in the Clone Wars look noticeably different in the series because of their style compared to the droids in the prequels, but in the fourth episode of season 7 the droids were changed to look more accurate to the ones in the movies.
@@ZoomerUnion I don’t. In fact I think bobf made them worse by turning them into fish people and having their big heads be helmets instead of their heads
My head cannon is that just like the chin armor, the clones removed it for whatever reason. From what I remember (unless I’m mistaken), that piece is a communication/antenna band that helps clones communicate on the battlefield. Maybe because all clones have a comm link on their forearm, the republic though the band was redundant and had the band removed from helmets in order to cut costs (as remember the republic was financially struggling for a while). As for the chin piece while I’m at it, I’d assume it was removed so clones would have greater flexibility with their helmets on since it may restrict movement of the head. Edit: just remembered captain grey is the only clone wars clone with a visible band on his helmet. I’d chalk that up to a personal choice on his end as well as a necessity for greater communication capabilities on the battlefield since he’s a captain while not wanting to go the route of attachments like what Cody and Vaughn had on their helmets for enhanced communication.
Surprised he didn’t talk about how the clones have a different kidney plate, the knee and elbow pads are connected to the armor, and that they lack the black line across the helmet
I mean the venator doors is a pretty easy thing to assume that it was a small door just because only one ship was leaving so there was no reason to open the full hanger. But since it was also present in the 2003 clone wars show we can also assume it was cheaper to cgi the small hanger opening
Perhaps it's an older ship we see? Kinda like phase 1 armor, where the first set had the smaller opening, but was quickly redesigned for their future batches?? Or star wars just changed its mind of course but I prefer a lore fix to explain lol
@@BreMueit could’ve been a personal modification Kenobi had made for this Venator since it may be his. In season 5 of the clone wars during the younglings arc I think, kenobi is engaged in a space battle with Greivous where Greivous’s forces end up landing on the open strip of Kenobi’s Venator and begin slaughtering the men aboard leading to the brutal death where Kenobi witnessed one of his men having their neck crunched by Greivous’s claw. Perhaps Kenobi had the change then made on his next Venator so it would be more difficult to land enemy troops inside a Venator and begin slaughtering the crew.
There may be a canonical reason for the different providence cruiser bridges. There was a dreadnought version of the ship that was scaled up. Admiral Trenches flagship was one of these dreadnought variants.
I thought they had different variations of the venator because I remember a book that had the classification of ships from Star Wars and it was showing each type from different parts of the franchise
BLOS BLOS JR IN THE HOUSE my head canon is that full body cybernetics are highly experimental and Grevious may be the only one to want such changes. And by the final year of the clone wars they made advancements into that kinda of technology.
Yeah I noticed this from the battle droids to Grievous even some of his personal ships word had three laser cannons in just one on his blood thing ship I know when Grievous was first introduced in the 2D Clone Wars cartoon he had six fingers
It's important to note that the 2008 series takes heavy inspiration visually from the 2003 microseries. Anything that they did in that show was pretty much transferred over into 3D renditions and interpretations because George saw it more as a continuation of the 2003 microseries, basically expanding on all the stuff we saw in the montage after Anakin's knighting. Even when he announced it back in 2005, he referred to it as a continuation. Now as the show went along, it clearly became its own thing, and they did develop more of their own look with each update in the character models or new ships and locations and characters and whatnot, but I think that it's pretty cool they wanted to keep some of the same visual language that Genndy Tartakovsky came up with for the original microseries, and I mean, why wouldn't you want to ape off of his visual style; it's awesome. Yeah, Dooku don't make sense (They ripped his design almost straight from Tartakovsky's), but like, nobody looks 1:1 to their live action counterparts, it wasn't until much later in the game (Maul's nose is pretty spot on to Ray Park's), practically to the point of Rebels that they started really thinking about making characters look more like their live action counterparts (Although what's up with the stylizations of those Stormtroopers), and if they were to pop up in live action, that the characters look like the people voicing them or hopeful castings down the line. This is very noticeable in Resistance where the characters of Kaz and Yeager could have had their actors reprise their roles in Rise of Skywalker had they ever decided to show people other than Lando and Poe in the cockpits of their ships. This has also been something much more prevalent in the videogame industry where main characters look like the actors hired to voice them and even mocap for cutscenes. I imagine that when the Bad Batch show comes about, just about everyone you see will be designed to match live action counterparts and actors providing special guest voice appearances, and not just to do things purely for stylistic reasons. Going back to Tartakovsky's 2003 microseries, because everything was being drawn by hand, it was important to have those stylistic changes so that it was easier to draw characters (remember, you have to have enough images per second just to have it look fluid) and make them standout more easily from one another and the background. Because they were making the microseries literally between the releases of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, they were on a pretty tight schedule to get these things out, and the way to do that is by simplifying everything to their base elements and making them faster to draw. This is actually where R2-D2's finger hatches come from, it was another design the 2008 crew pulled directly from Genndy in order to keep that feeling of the show being a continuation of sorts. This is not as much of an issue with 3D rendering, but stylistic changes are still made for budgetary constraints. Fewer raised greebles on ships that are instead just painted on, less fingers on Grievous and giving him a ribbed tube to cover all the mechanical bits in his neck, etc., and it's even why the Jedi have armor over their robes. It's not just because Genndy did it for the Rule of Cool because they were in wartimes and so the 2008 crew just borrowed that look, it's really just a lot more expensive to render all that cloth in the computer. The technology just wasn't there yet, or at least the right simulations were not cheap enough to do for a show that George was already constantly shoveling more money into, and as a result there are a few times where Dooku has new designs without his cape simply for the fact that it was too expensive for the budget of the episode, and in fact cheaper to just make a new outfit. So it's not necessarily all for stylistic purposes, it's economical one's, too. The only reason why some things are done the way they are in the movies is because they have to look photoreal, and the budget is such to make those things possible for the big spectacle that a movie is, not 20+ episodes per season of an animated show.
Was not going to post because I am long winded with a heavy hand of Asperger's. Will try to keep it short and on then off then on again and off the point again.... Astro droids are copilots, but they are repair droids. They handle astronavigation, they have star charts and coordinates, one cannot go flying through a solid objects and hope to survive but worse.... hyperdrives allow starships to travel faster than the speed of light, crossing space through the "alternate dimension" of hyperspace. Large objects in normal space cast “mass shadows” in hyperspace, so hyperspace jumps must be precisely calculated to avoid collisions. This is the primary function of an astro droid on any hyper jump capable small fighter, the key word is fighter. A ship expected to engage in combat. Should one trust jumping to the onboard computer? Manual biological input? Answer, no. 1. The computer records the trip which could lead enemy back to fleet. Droid can be destroyed leaving a crippled fighter with living pilot to be captured with no way to back trace the traveled course. 2. Setting course requires knowing where you will be when you engage hyper drive, and where you will be going and all the changes needed to be made during hyper travel to avoid shadow mass. Emergency jumping is quite dangerous, just as ever so slightly altering course mid jump, so droids are intended to handle this. You might recalled one episode where a Jango was tracked using fuel logs that were not destroyed, and Kamino was thereby located. Or was that tracking Anakin? .... oh well.... This brings us to the reason for a central seat between the engines. The droid must be located where it can perform emergency repairs in flight on a small vessel. As the "delta" version has the droid centrally located between said engines, it is apparent someone realized the design flaw. As for changes made to a port set on droids, time passes, some engineer thought it would be better to change the port, and it was approved, but the bosses said, lets sell more droids by putting out a recall on those older droids to install the new port to prevent critical EPS failure, then we sabotage bits and pieces of said droids so they have to be repaired or replaced. To which the ceo asked, you mean like the bad motivator random activation command? To which Tweeky responded "biddi-biddi-biddi oh Buck"
A thallus the higher voices is only in rots. In aotc they’re just like tcw. Meaning tcw is copying aotc presumably to be lore friendly since they had to change sometime in between 2/3. :)
The only thing I didn't like about the Clone Wars styling is the phase 1 clone armor helmet, idk, it's like...too bulky and didn't look as badass as the ones in episode II imo. Also, another thing I noticed is that Anakin's robes in Clone Wars are less bulky and longer, kind of like chinese kung fu master clothes
3:42 I am a huge SW fan, and until this exact moment I never realized how much of a fan I was, seriously. When you said: "Season 2, whenever they find Trench" I immediatley blurted out "Episode 16"...How the fuck did I know that? I am now rethinking my life choices. Also great vid btw.
It always bothers me that people rag on Rebels for poor animation style when TCW's animation style is so weird looking and inaccurate. Rebels has lesser animation *quality,* but those 2 things are completely different things, and Rebels had a much lower animation budget
The battle droids in the Clone Wars look noticeably different in the series because of their style compared to the droids in the prequels, but in the fourth episode of season 7 the droids were changed to look more accurate to the ones in the movies.
The Pikes from the Clone Wars came out before solo so technically solos wrong
Yeah, even their concept art looks different
And Disney has only doubled down on the wrong live action design since, in the book of boba fett as well as outlaws
@@bacondorito Book of Boba's design kinda tries to hybridize the Solo design with the Clone Wars one. I don't mind it really, myself.
@@ZoomerUnion I don’t. In fact I think bobf made them worse by turning them into fish people and having their big heads be helmets instead of their heads
It's because in the Clone Wars they changed it so they could have a full Astromech in the Delta not just one head piece
This was actually pretty interesting
Something that bothers me is that TCW clones don’t have the black strip above their visor. Pretty minor but once you see it you can’t un see it.
AidenTheCanadian whyd you do this to me lol
I prefer them without
My head cannon is that just like the chin armor, the clones removed it for whatever reason. From what I remember (unless I’m mistaken), that piece is a communication/antenna band that helps clones communicate on the battlefield. Maybe because all clones have a comm link on their forearm, the republic though the band was redundant and had the band removed from helmets in order to cut costs (as remember the republic was financially struggling for a while).
As for the chin piece while I’m at it, I’d assume it was removed so clones would have greater flexibility with their helmets on since it may restrict movement of the head.
Edit: just remembered captain grey is the only clone wars clone with a visible band on his helmet. I’d chalk that up to a personal choice on his end as well as a necessity for greater communication capabilities on the battlefield since he’s a captain while not wanting to go the route of attachments like what Cody and Vaughn had on their helmets for enhanced communication.
Surprised he didn’t talk about how the clones have a different kidney plate, the knee and elbow pads are connected to the armor, and that they lack the black line across the helmet
I mean the venator doors is a pretty easy thing to assume that it was a small door just because only one ship was leaving so there was no reason to open the full hanger. But since it was also present in the 2003 clone wars show we can also assume it was cheaper to cgi the small hanger opening
Perhaps it's an older ship we see? Kinda like phase 1 armor, where the first set had the smaller opening, but was quickly redesigned for their future batches??
Or star wars just changed its mind of course but I prefer a lore fix to explain lol
@@BreMueit could’ve been a personal modification Kenobi had made for this Venator since it may be his. In season 5 of the clone wars during the younglings arc I think, kenobi is engaged in a space battle with Greivous where Greivous’s forces end up landing on the open strip of Kenobi’s Venator and begin slaughtering the men aboard leading to the brutal death where Kenobi witnessed one of his men having their neck crunched by Greivous’s claw.
Perhaps Kenobi had the change then made on his next Venator so it would be more difficult to land enemy troops inside a Venator and begin slaughtering the crew.
There may be a canonical reason for the different providence cruiser bridges. There was a dreadnought version of the ship that was scaled up. Admiral Trenches flagship was one of these dreadnought variants.
This is one of those videos that I didn’t know I desperately needed until I saw it.
Also if Venator's hangar didn't fully open we wouldn't have epic moon shot in the end of Season 7
I thought they had different variations of the venator because I remember a book that had the classification of ships from Star Wars and it was showing each type from different parts of the franchise
Grevious is different because before he was an old model. At the end of clomewars season 7,we see him briefly in his new bionic body, the same as ROTS
BLOS BLOS JR IN THE HOUSE my head canon is that full body cybernetics are highly experimental and Grevious may be the only one to want such changes. And by the final year of the clone wars they made advancements into that kinda of technology.
The phase 1 clone trooper helmets are also vastly different in the clone wars compared to the movies, especially the visor.
Yeah I noticed this from the battle droids to Grievous even some of his personal ships word had three laser cannons in just one on his blood thing ship I know when Grievous was first introduced in the 2D Clone Wars cartoon he had six fingers
It's important to note that the 2008 series takes heavy inspiration visually from the 2003 microseries. Anything that they did in that show was pretty much transferred over into 3D renditions and interpretations because George saw it more as a continuation of the 2003 microseries, basically expanding on all the stuff we saw in the montage after Anakin's knighting. Even when he announced it back in 2005, he referred to it as a continuation. Now as the show went along, it clearly became its own thing, and they did develop more of their own look with each update in the character models or new ships and locations and characters and whatnot, but I think that it's pretty cool they wanted to keep some of the same visual language that Genndy Tartakovsky came up with for the original microseries, and I mean, why wouldn't you want to ape off of his visual style; it's awesome.
Yeah, Dooku don't make sense (They ripped his design almost straight from Tartakovsky's), but like, nobody looks 1:1 to their live action counterparts, it wasn't until much later in the game (Maul's nose is pretty spot on to Ray Park's), practically to the point of Rebels that they started really thinking about making characters look more like their live action counterparts (Although what's up with the stylizations of those Stormtroopers), and if they were to pop up in live action, that the characters look like the people voicing them or hopeful castings down the line. This is very noticeable in Resistance where the characters of Kaz and Yeager could have had their actors reprise their roles in Rise of Skywalker had they ever decided to show people other than Lando and Poe in the cockpits of their ships. This has also been something much more prevalent in the videogame industry where main characters look like the actors hired to voice them and even mocap for cutscenes. I imagine that when the Bad Batch show comes about, just about everyone you see will be designed to match live action counterparts and actors providing special guest voice appearances, and not just to do things purely for stylistic reasons.
Going back to Tartakovsky's 2003 microseries, because everything was being drawn by hand, it was important to have those stylistic changes so that it was easier to draw characters (remember, you have to have enough images per second just to have it look fluid) and make them standout more easily from one another and the background. Because they were making the microseries literally between the releases of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, they were on a pretty tight schedule to get these things out, and the way to do that is by simplifying everything to their base elements and making them faster to draw. This is actually where R2-D2's finger hatches come from, it was another design the 2008 crew pulled directly from Genndy in order to keep that feeling of the show being a continuation of sorts. This is not as much of an issue with 3D rendering, but stylistic changes are still made for budgetary constraints. Fewer raised greebles on ships that are instead just painted on, less fingers on Grievous and giving him a ribbed tube to cover all the mechanical bits in his neck, etc., and it's even why the Jedi have armor over their robes. It's not just because Genndy did it for the Rule of Cool because they were in wartimes and so the 2008 crew just borrowed that look, it's really just a lot more expensive to render all that cloth in the computer. The technology just wasn't there yet, or at least the right simulations were not cheap enough to do for a show that George was already constantly shoveling more money into, and as a result there are a few times where Dooku has new designs without his cape simply for the fact that it was too expensive for the budget of the episode, and in fact cheaper to just make a new outfit. So it's not necessarily all for stylistic purposes, it's economical one's, too. The only reason why some things are done the way they are in the movies is because they have to look photoreal, and the budget is such to make those things possible for the big spectacle that a movie is, not 20+ episodes per season of an animated show.
Yes and the worst thing the 2003 clone wars did was give the muuns noses which carried over to the 2008 show
5:44 and the cockpit is from Eta-2 Interceptor
6:20 don't forget that the clones are missing the black unibrow thing at the top of their visor
I am amazed no one brings that up. They look like shit without it.
This was great information man I enjoyed this!!
Was not going to post because I am long winded with a heavy hand of Asperger's. Will try to keep it short and on then off then on again and off the point again.... Astro droids are copilots, but they are repair droids. They handle astronavigation, they have star charts and coordinates, one cannot go flying through a solid objects and hope to survive but worse.... hyperdrives allow starships to travel faster than the speed of light, crossing space through the "alternate dimension" of hyperspace. Large objects in normal space cast “mass shadows” in hyperspace, so hyperspace jumps must be precisely calculated to avoid collisions. This is the primary function of an astro droid on any hyper jump capable small fighter, the key word is fighter. A ship expected to engage in combat. Should one trust jumping to the onboard computer? Manual biological input? Answer, no. 1. The computer records the trip which could lead enemy back to fleet. Droid can be destroyed leaving a crippled fighter with living pilot to be captured with no way to back trace the traveled course. 2. Setting course requires knowing where you will be when you engage hyper drive, and where you will be going and all the changes needed to be made during hyper travel to avoid shadow mass. Emergency jumping is quite dangerous, just as ever so slightly altering course mid jump, so droids are intended to handle this. You might recalled one episode where a Jango was tracked using fuel logs that were not destroyed, and Kamino was thereby located. Or was that tracking Anakin? .... oh well....
This brings us to the reason for a central seat between the engines. The droid must be located where it can perform emergency repairs in flight on a small vessel. As the "delta" version has the droid centrally located between said engines, it is apparent someone realized the design flaw.
As for changes made to a port set on droids, time passes, some engineer thought it would be better to change the port, and it was approved, but the bosses said, lets sell more droids by putting out a recall on those older droids to install the new port to prevent critical EPS failure, then we sabotage bits and pieces of said droids so they have to be repaired or replaced. To which the ceo asked, you mean like the bad motivator random activation command? To which Tweeky responded "biddi-biddi-biddi oh Buck"
Simple answer: different art style
CG is weird
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This is a superb video. Good job. Well done.
Great episode man
TCW's art style is based on the 2003 clone wars art style that's why
Cool video dude
I am pretty sure the Venator in the last season of the citadel arc has the smaller hanger opening
so you're going to point out that a little piece of armor under the chin is missing, but completely ignore the big black bar above the visor?
It looks different because it’s a fucking cartoon
7:30 RTD2
Now I will always be bothered by the venitor starship thing
No commando droids in attack of the clones and revenge of the sith no hellfire tank in Star Wars the clone wars
A thallus the higher voices is only in rots. In aotc they’re just like tcw. Meaning tcw is copying aotc presumably to be lore friendly since they had to change sometime in between 2/3. :)
The only thing I didn't like about the Clone Wars styling is the phase 1 clone armor helmet, idk, it's like...too bulky and didn't look as badass as the ones in episode II imo.
Also, another thing I noticed is that Anakin's robes in Clone Wars are less bulky and longer, kind of like chinese kung fu master clothes
Nice vid
3:42
I am a huge SW fan, and until this exact moment I never realized how much of a fan I was, seriously. When you said: "Season 2, whenever they find Trench" I immediatley blurted out "Episode 16"...How the fuck did I know that? I am now rethinking my life choices. Also great vid btw.
It always bothers me that people rag on Rebels for poor animation style when TCW's animation style is so weird looking and inaccurate. Rebels has lesser animation *quality,* but those 2 things are completely different things, and Rebels had a much lower animation budget