I love these old comments arguing about who is winning. This is a demonstration, both swordsmen scored points but that was not the 'point' of the duels. At the end if you listen closely Toda dude say's 'tsuki' and let his opponent score a neck thrust, and shortly after he exposed his head and noded forward to show the opponent to strike his head. This was a demonstration/practice and not an actual competition. When I am up against my master we know perfectly well that he is leagues above me, but he actively tries to make subtle or not so subtle opportunities for me to feel out my level and let me practice. If he wants to be me he is faster than me anyway and he can score an ippon whenever he wants. It was very nice and polite of Toda to let his opponent land some ippons and I'm sure his opponent appreciated the opportunity to fight him. He was not there to wreck some faces, he was there to show how this fighting style works. It was just great to see nito-ryu in action.
Both are really useful. When a person's been practicing Kendo for a long time, their mind becomes stuck in a certain paradigm. Kendo fighters are AWESOME with a sword, but during a fight, many fencers allow the opponent to casually touch the sword to their body - for those who practice, one example is in tsuba zeriai (sp). With live blades, of course, that's a no-no. You may often find, however, that a teacher with +30-60 years of experience would have a few valuable things to tell ya! ;-)
@frontaLobotomy92 Toda sensei is very famous of Nito - ryu. It is just a demonstration. If you see again, each step he did is just get to the point. The other guy feel nervous is normal. Only strong and true fighter can make other fighten and nervous. I tried this feeling before when practiced with my sensei.
@KevnutsWho all the kamaes in nito are very flexible. you can choose in which hand handle your daito (long sword) and your shoto (short sword). even the feet position is free: you can move with the right foot forward, or with the left one, no matter about the swords positions in the hands.
Unfortunately I don't know of any but I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple. I think there definitely will be more as time goes on considering how much kendo has proliferated internationally.
Picking up nito after you've earned sandan isn't trying to break an, "already hardened mold" at all. The reason you should wait until you reach sandan is that you'll have a firm understanding of seme, maai, and timing. If you try learning now you'll just become confused and won't be nearly as effective.
@frontaLobotomy92 Yes, you are right. I love Kendo because not only training physical strength but rather concern how to set up spirtual strength. When facing an opponent like Toda sensei, how to make myself stable and fearless are very meaningful.
@frontaLobotomy92 This is TODA sensei - he is Legend in Japan - he won 3 all japan "above 7th dan" championships. He has best kedo in Nito to date. I had an honour to be on his seminar. Sir - you have no idia what you are talkng about......
The last sentence. "Or is it because Toda sensei is such a God of Nito that he can do whatever he wants?" You can't tell me that wasn't supposed to have a sarcastic tone on it.
Anyone can enlighten me on why the footwork changes for Nito quite often? Sometimes it's right foot forward, sometimes it's left foot forward. Or is it because Toda sensei is such a God of Nito that he can do whatever he wants?
Ah, sorry, in that case. And, yeah, repeat cooleric's comment. Musashi explains that you need to move both feet as one unit, rather than separately, so it is a bad idea to always have the same foot forward because you become used to functioning from only one direction.
i have to say that it really depends... in a street fight physical strength and ur mindset wins a battle... whoever is at the receiving and suffers from fear... also when u r ahead in such a fight most enemies r no real threat as noone is fighting in normal life... being trained in a certain martial art and learning in a dojo can give u confidence which is the the most important thing in a street fight... ur constitution should be better as well and once u r far enough then u can use techniques
Maybe you're right. I've heard it both ways to be honest. Also, as far as head strikes - and even wrist strikes - it's true that if you're cutting "through" as if you had a real blade...shit's gonna hurt. Then again, we might be wrong. Remember that with a live blade, the "cutting through" action doesn't require much force because, after all, it's a live blade. I bet you could slice a wrist off even with a small kote strike that "pops" like in Kendo, so long as you give the cut an extra inch.
with confidence i dont mean arrogance but u r right... a real fight ends fast... i never had a serious street fight but i had confrontations and "simulations" so i understand ur point here
@thkun33 Thanks for the answer. I just think that one of them looks too nervous so his decisions can seem rash. Moreover, 'cause of that I consider his actions insecure,and okuri ashi..-stamina,vigor is essential in shiai although guy is unstable for me ;)
In the beginning you have a hard enough time controlling one shinai and by the time you reach sandan you'll have an even greater understanding of kihon, making the transition much easier. If you start right away you'll be physically used to it but will lack the mental understanding necessary to use it effectively. It's impossible to gain a thorough understanding of any part of kendo with less than 10 years of practice, plus you've got the rest of your life to practice kendo, no sense in rushing.
Agreed. Without my Kendo teacher, my Kendo would be real crap. But a kid who practiced 28 hours a day with a stick against his friends would most likely out-fight a guy who did 1 hour a week in Kendo class. The kid might not fight pretty, and it wouldn't be Kendo, but the kid would still out perform.
I don't study actual kendo so it's hard for me to tell who is winning at times :P. I prefer learning sword techniques on my own without any guidance. Trial and error is always more fun and erratic swordplay usually has an advantage over conditioned in a real fighting environment anyways.
There actually are a handful of non-Japanese kendoka who are hachidan. My sensei has an uncle who is hachidan and had a college sensei who is as well. Both are Taiwanese.
Oh, and the example of how Kendo players allow casual body-to-blade touches was just to show that one of the paradigms a Kendo players might get stuck in is that Kendo is done with bamboo swords, not live swords. "Good Kendo" as the high senseis would call it, of course, really strives to treat the bamboo sword like a live blade, though, so perhaps at the upper levels, my comment is wrong. Another paradigm of Kendo, of course, is the restriction of targets to the Head, Throat, Wrists, and Ribs.
ah.. i was wondering why i was being slammed by harsh remarks. no, i'm not being sarcastic. i'm still quite new to the concepts of kamae(s) other than chuudan.
@Gabriel Rodriguez Well um, first of all, I made that comment like a year and a half ago so I dunno why you'd even respond. Also, I highly doubt a real warrior would use any kendo techniques in battle.
Kendo is beautiful and when kendoka has skills,it can be so amazing... Although I don't like this vid. It seems that the guy using two swords just can't do it properly and has a tiny experience. And the other guy didn't flashed - he is too nervous :/ I mean a fight ghost is essential but...
@Alhok Yeah but you know, it is only my oppinion and,what's more, whether you do kendo properly or not, it doesn't have to steal every heart, dude. Maybe it wasn'r also his day - hitted in first possible while? Me simply didn't like it. Besides, not "sir", I'm female.
You insult Toda sensei, but it seems that you are deserving of insult. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Musashi's instructions on two-sword fighting before you go around criticizing others. Come back when you learn the term "Inyo-ashi".
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I love these old comments arguing about who is winning. This is a demonstration, both swordsmen scored points but that was not the 'point' of the duels. At the end if you listen closely Toda dude say's 'tsuki' and let his opponent score a neck thrust, and shortly after he exposed his head and noded forward to show the opponent to strike his head. This was a demonstration/practice and not an actual competition. When I am up against my master we know perfectly well that he is leagues above me, but he actively tries to make subtle or not so subtle opportunities for me to feel out my level and let me practice. If he wants to be me he is faster than me anyway and he can score an ippon whenever he wants. It was very nice and polite of Toda to let his opponent land some ippons and I'm sure his opponent appreciated the opportunity to fight him. He was not there to wreck some faces, he was there to show how this fighting style works. It was just great to see nito-ryu in action.
Both are really useful. When a person's been practicing Kendo for a long time, their mind becomes stuck in a certain paradigm. Kendo fighters are AWESOME with a sword, but during a fight, many fencers allow the opponent to casually touch the sword to their body - for those who practice, one example is in tsuba zeriai (sp). With live blades, of course, that's a no-no.
You may often find, however, that a teacher with +30-60 years of experience would have a few valuable things to tell ya! ;-)
@frontaLobotomy92 Toda sensei is very famous of Nito - ryu. It is just a demonstration. If you see again, each step he did is just get to the point. The other guy feel nervous is normal. Only strong and true fighter can make other fighten and nervous. I tried this feeling before when practiced with my sensei.
@KevnutsWho all the kamaes in nito are very flexible. you can choose in which hand handle your daito (long sword) and your shoto (short sword). even the feet position is free: you can move with the right foot forward, or with the left one, no matter about the swords positions in the hands.
Unfortunately I don't know of any but I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple. I think there definitely will be more as time goes on considering how much kendo has proliferated internationally.
Picking up nito after you've earned sandan isn't trying to break an, "already hardened mold" at all. The reason you should wait until you reach sandan is that you'll have a firm understanding of seme, maai, and timing. If you try learning now you'll just become confused and won't be nearly as effective.
@frontaLobotomy92 Yes, you are right. I love Kendo because not only training physical strength but rather concern how to set up spirtual strength. When facing an opponent like Toda sensei, how to make myself stable and fearless are very meaningful.
@frontaLobotomy92 This is TODA sensei - he is Legend in Japan - he won 3 all japan "above 7th dan" championships. He has best kedo in Nito to date. I had an honour to be on his seminar. Sir - you have no idia what you are talkng about......
Its real hard to tell what is or isn't sarcasm on the internet, that was a perfectly legitimate question.
The last sentence. "Or is it because Toda sensei is such a God of Nito that he can do whatever he wants?" You can't tell me that wasn't supposed to have a sarcastic tone on it.
i started learning nito at shodan
agreed.
Hachidan matches usually consist of fewer strikes. The Nito guy looks high rank though
Anyone can enlighten me on why the footwork changes for Nito quite often? Sometimes it's right foot forward, sometimes it's left foot forward. Or is it because Toda sensei is such a God of Nito that he can do whatever he wants?
Ah, sorry, in that case. And, yeah, repeat cooleric's comment. Musashi explains that you need to move both feet as one unit, rather than separately, so it is a bad idea to always have the same foot forward because you become used to functioning from only one direction.
@TheJfzero Its demo - but Toda sensei scored more then 2 ippons
the lady who speaks is russian. She says: "now there is a special demonstration with (name 8 dan and (name) 8 dan"
i have to say that it really depends... in a street fight physical strength and ur mindset wins a battle... whoever is at the receiving and suffers from fear... also when u r ahead in such a fight most enemies r no real threat as noone is fighting in normal life...
being trained in a certain martial art and learning in a dojo can give u confidence which is the the most important thing in a street fight... ur constitution should be better as well and once u r far enough then u can use techniques
Maybe you're right. I've heard it both ways to be honest.
Also, as far as head strikes - and even wrist strikes - it's true that if you're cutting "through" as if you had a real blade...shit's gonna hurt.
Then again, we might be wrong. Remember that with a live blade, the "cutting through" action doesn't require much force because, after all, it's a live blade. I bet you could slice a wrist off even with a small kote strike that "pops" like in Kendo, so long as you give the cut an extra inch.
with confidence i dont mean arrogance but u r right... a real fight ends fast...
i never had a serious street fight but i had confrontations and "simulations"
so i understand ur point here
@thkun33
Thanks for the answer. I just think that one of them looks too nervous so his decisions can seem rash. Moreover, 'cause of that I consider his actions insecure,and okuri ashi..-stamina,vigor is essential in shiai although guy is unstable for me ;)
@Alhok do you mean nippons?
In the beginning you have a hard enough time controlling one shinai and by the time you reach sandan you'll have an even greater understanding of kihon, making the transition much easier. If you start right away you'll be physically used to it but will lack the mental understanding necessary to use it effectively. It's impossible to gain a thorough understanding of any part of kendo with less than 10 years of practice, plus you've got the rest of your life to practice kendo, no sense in rushing.
Agreed. Without my Kendo teacher, my Kendo would be real crap. But a kid who practiced 28 hours a day with a stick against his friends would most likely out-fight a guy who did 1 hour a week in Kendo class. The kid might not fight pretty, and it wouldn't be Kendo, but the kid would still out perform.
People in those days practiced full time. He wasn't talking about sport martial arts.
I don't study actual kendo so it's hard for me to tell who is winning at times :P. I prefer learning sword techniques on my own without any guidance. Trial and error is always more fun and erratic swordplay usually has an advantage over conditioned in a real fighting environment anyways.
There actually are a handful of non-Japanese kendoka who are hachidan. My sensei has an uncle who is hachidan and had a college sensei who is as well. Both are Taiwanese.
WoW Toda sensei! :0 !! i respect him
He was powerful and cool!!!
ya! look like infighter :)
Nitoryu no Ittoni yes
掛かり手2名が容赦なくて好印象 1人目は払い技、2人目は突きと二刀に対して重く効く技を迷わず使って押し込んでる
忖度情け容赦台本一切ない残酷なほど自然で物理法則に則った立ち合いで美しい
I cant even tell who's winning =/
Oh, and the example of how Kendo players allow casual body-to-blade touches was just to show that one of the paradigms a Kendo players might get stuck in is that Kendo is done with bamboo swords, not live swords. "Good Kendo" as the high senseis would call it, of course, really strives to treat the bamboo sword like a live blade, though, so perhaps at the upper levels, my comment is wrong.
Another paradigm of Kendo, of course, is the restriction of targets to the Head, Throat, Wrists, and Ribs.
ah.. i was wondering why i was being slammed by harsh remarks. no, i'm not being sarcastic. i'm still quite new to the concepts of kamae(s) other than chuudan.
How was that insulting now? All I saw was a valid question.
... and she say " kyoshi Maeda and Toda sensei"...
@Gabriel Rodriguez
Well um, first of all, I made that comment like a year and a half ago so I dunno why you'd even respond. Also, I highly doubt a real warrior would use any kendo techniques in battle.
Roronoa Zoro teached their masters!
Kendo is beautiful and when kendoka has skills,it can be so amazing... Although I don't like this vid. It seems that the guy using two swords just can't do it properly and has a tiny experience. And the other guy didn't flashed - he is too nervous :/ I mean a fight ghost is essential but...
they are russians. Theyve got 8 dan each... :P
omg one handed is simply pwned by 2 handed ne...
Roronoa would weap to see that nito turtle. The 1h sword guy was great but the nito was just ha!
@Alhok Yeah but you know, it is only my oppinion and,what's more, whether you do kendo properly or not, it doesn't have to steal every heart, dude. Maybe it wasn'r also his day - hitted in first possible while? Me simply didn't like it.
Besides, not "sir", I'm female.
You insult Toda sensei, but it seems that you are deserving of insult. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Musashi's instructions on two-sword fighting before you go around criticizing others. Come back when you learn the term "Inyo-ashi".
you're right
lol this is terrible, games and sports. not budo.
Why are people talking about street brawling