This, my friends, is the best description of a super empath, albeit I’m not a fan of the term supernova. A super empath for me is someone with strong principles, ethical beliefs, authentic self esteem, able to value his or her beliefs over mainstream beliefs, the type that does not understand the hype of influencers as they tend to carve their own paths and do not care about what others might think about them. Yet, they are extraordinarily empathetic and generous out of a strong sense of self. We don’t go ‘supernova’, we just get tired of the bs and the abuse and use our strengths, intuition and wisdom to blast the abuser far away, often by exposing the shame and pains of the abuser in a clear, precise and unapologetic way.
Best revenge is no revenge 😅 I find that you can’t purposefully get revenge on a narcissist, sometimes you may inadvertently find that some kind of ‘justice’ comes about but usually when you aren’t expecting it, and makes you realise you made a right choice of getting out and focusing on your priorities
@LeilaJane your comment makes no sense at all you said the best revenge is no revenge so technically it's not revenge you should have just not said that at all because you don't sound cool you just sounds dumb
Yes moving on bettering and improving yourself and living a better happier life without giving them the time of day really hurts them and is the best and ultimate revenge
Why revenge on a pitiful person. I used to want revenge but then I realised they are lesser beings, while empaths are more better than the average being. Life is wonderful for me regardless of my situation. Happiness is at every corner why the narcissist just lives in hell. They bring hell to everyone around them as well.
Mostly I agree with what you say. Where I differ is that a super empath is an empath with resilience who has been burned over time by narcissistic character types. To have learned over time that the best method for the empath of protecting self and those around them is to stand back, learn the game play of the narcissist. Then counter decisively and move them off to another orbit - because they will never change,.
I agree with this. As someone who cannot afford to take the Empath detector, I studied these videos. I realised I was a Codependent Matyr when I was young. As time has passed I realised how people were using me, I worked on my Codependency and I find myself fairly able to standup for myself and not take people's Bullshit. I also recognised the two middle middle ranged Narcissists in my life. So I believe empaths evolve when they learn
I love the updated version of these empath videos ❤ & for pointing out that the schools & cadres aren’t better or worse than another. It’s knowledge that empowers an empath not the school or cadre
a super empath has a weapon that you will never have: a great and very fine emotional intelligence in addition to a cognitive empathy which scans you as well as you do it, an almost magical intuition and some, like me, the ability to feel people's vibrations in their bodies. When a super emphat has had enough of your repetitive and predictable patterns he knows how to shame you for your life, you will no longer see the day in the same way. A super empath knows how to cut himself off from his emotions if necessary for his own survival. My father was like you, same condescension towards himself, and I love him because thanks to him I am who I am today
Well said. It took me 40 years to finally see the upside of my sensitifity. Now I'm about to learn to use my body as a sort of bio-sensor to learn about others energetic conditions...quite a journey
Well said. It took me 40 years to finally see the upside of my sensitifity. Now I'm about to learn to use my body as a sort of bio-sensor to learn about others energetic conditions...quite a journey
So true! I had a malignant narcissist try to control me recently and someone who had known me for decades said “Did he not realise that you are uncontrollable?” 😂
This and the whole Empath detector is extremely valuable. It takes a while to understand the categories etc., but it is very useful in learning about oneself. It needs to be revisited several times though because there are several layers of understanding. HG is an extremely good psychologist.
Thank you for explaining this, HG, it certainly explains my super nova moment, my narc ex friend burst into our house to attack our son, after he had defended himself to a rude guest at her party and we had left. Not today, missy. After it was over and not only had I put her in her place ( I had no idea what I meant then when I said smoke and mirrors), I felt strangely calm, almost as if I'd made things 'right'. I never spoke to her again. I knew there was no way back.
Have noticed that karma comes to them in time; may not be during your lifetime but it does come. At 70 years of age I could write volumes on the karma I’ve witnessed on narcissists. No contact works & things will get back to you in unusual ways.
Narcissists are like those Androids in that Dragon Ball Z Anime, You give them a Powerful blast of energy thinking it will destroy them but all they do is absorb it and increase their Power Level.
My narc was my mother-in-law. Once I realised what I was dealing with I just had as little to do with her as possible and refused to take her bullshit onboard. I was aware she didn’t choose to be who she was, but also that I needed to defend myself from her poison. I did what was necessary to maintain cordial relations without being sucked into her rubbish. She eventually respected my independence I think. We achieved a n equilibrium.
I tried. I really tried. Between her calling and weeping and my ex hubby it was impossible until I could harden my heart and stiffen my back bone. This was in the days before caller ID was common.
I guess this partly explains my violent temper ... Especially the parts about being reactive, and about being triggered more by someone mistreating one I care for than if someone does something to me. My skin is made of teflon. It is nearly impossible to rattle me with words. But the wrath that emerges when someone I see as less able to handle it is being abused, is straight up dangerous. I can't stop myself. My therapist told me its a fight or flight response to trauma, but maybe it is a little bit of both.
I have evolved to this along the life has teached me lessons (and now youtube videos). The last narcissist before seeing these videos, could not get any negative fuel from me, could not get me provocated and the relationship lasted only few months instead of years. And after these videos I have so much more knowledge and I let my new friend go immediately when first toxic signs appeared.
HG it’s almost as if the Super Empath has a lot of Narcissistic traits. It reminds me of how hate and love can be similar but differ so much technically based off it’s human emotion. If I’ve missed the boat let me know.
I noticed that more of my super empath minority manifested increasingly with motherhood. I knew I could deal with the tides of devaluation and respite periods but once I realized my ex was incapable, not just unwilling, of reserving his abusive tendencies in private away from them, my eyes were forcibly pried open. I didn't want to believe my ex was a narcissist for several years and actively avoided learning anything about it. My denial had to be curbstomped out of me (figuratively...) so I could find the fortutude to do what I saw as impossible but my kids didn't deserve to grow up in the hell of having a full-time aggressive hostile parental narcissist. If he didn't ramp up the devaluation around the time I had my third baby, if he didn't have an "affair" (nonsexual as far as I know but neither seemed to believe it was bizarre to cuddle while watching TV in his bolthole while I'm caring for a newborn) with a 19yo coworker who eventually acted like our unpaid nanny. Once I began to demonstrate that I knew the jig was up, he was a narcissist although I never overtly indicated that to him (but referring to him as abusive a few times were INCESSANTLY brought up as malicious false accusations), and that I was finally no longer going to adhere to trying to appease him through self flagellation, his devaluation rapidly intensified to a point that I didn't believe him capable of, my urgency to leave paralleled it. So, out of the clear blue I sprung a legal no contact DV order and divorce proceedings on him (thanks to HG btw for giving me the invaluable insight required to escape during the last few months of my marriage). He has weekend visitation with the kids and despite attempting a few malign hoovers, his absence hasn't been the end of the world like I once believed. Turns out that I'm much better off without him, even if that means materially struggling or being a single mom. Once I saw that he didn't truly love our kids, like I thought he did, and in fact was willing to subject them to the harsh cruelty he experienced himself, that was my line. Just witnessing their behavioral issues degenerate into total dysfunction. It's been about 10 months and they're doing much better, emotionally regulated and significantly more articulate (the oldest two had severe verbal delays, still academically delayed in areas but I can't say it's all bc of my ex either).
Your videos have not; only helped me find closure from a few distant memories of my narcissist ex, but helped me understand my own psyche and journey on this planet. Several months ago I was binge listening to your videos. The YT algorithm played your 2 y.o. Super Narcissist and Supernova videos back to back and by the end, many things made sense when viewed through HG Tudor Truth and Clarity Filter. A super empath cannot exist without acknowledging their narcissistic shadow side. The only reason a Super Empath and Greater Narcissist can coexist is the empath's understanding of their own narcissism yet no BS attitude from the Super. I loathed the term super empath (no offense) because it implied some kind of Mother Theresa and Dali Lama brand of goodness and love (though MT and DL were/are narcissist grifters, IMHO). I see the pretty hippie girls posting their borrowed platitudes about how hard it is to be an empath while they vagabond from festival to festival living and vibing their best lives. There is such s sense of freedom listening to your videos. Oh, and the supernova backfires...you are the only person to articulate this. Fortunately I have age and too many experiences to let emotional thinking get in the way. I would rather move on and freeze someone out than exact revenge. Revenge is fuel for the narcissist.
Could it be that the average super empath is actually the family scapegoat(person that sees the toxicity and doesn't by default conform to the family boss, aka the narc, and is therefore punished ) in a family dynamic where one of the parents is the narcissists and the other parent the enabler?
I’m have by HG’s empath detector only dash of super empath ( insignificant) and I think that empathic supernova raised only once in my relationship with my ex and it was when he started to picking up on MY daughter and I took action immediately and call the authority and they transferred us to safety but as on the run, looking for everything from scratch and unfortunately given up and went back to him, today I still regret it. Full horror was ahead of me than, but now I’m free, thank you HG❤
You pegged me as a super empath and I was actually really surprised by it. But you gave a lot information about it. 🙂 I recommend HG Tudor's empath detector. I did another one too, but it was awhile ago and I forgot the name of that one. Maybe I did both empath and narc detector. I think I did the narc detector first because I was wondering if I could be one lol.
@@Leigh1968 I actually did not do the narc detector now that I accessed the files again. There was the empath detector and traits detector that I did. So that means I decided to do the empath detector first. I came back empath and I was actually surprised. But now it makes sense. I have a condition where it's hard for me to show emotion, (probably from all kinds of trauma in my life), but I now understand I do have a lot of empathy. I am just not as expressive as some people. So I think that is what made me wonder if I was a narcissist. I was actually officially diagnosed with Schiziod personality disorder about 2 decades years ago. And one of the traits is coldness and aloofness. I have all their DSM traits except for perhaps 'Neither desires nor enjoys close relationships.' I actually have been married and have children and I am especially close to all my children. So I am not sure if that one applies to me. Or ever applied to me. I can only say I don't 'need' close intimate relationships. If anyone could function as a nun or monk or something- I can. lol This disorder can often come off to people as narcissism or psychopathy/anti-social in some cases, which is why I was pretty curious how my test results would come out. (I did not disclose my disorder to HG Tudor at any time either.)
The first thing I noticed about the narcissist - I said to him you put yourself out there, you are confident. First thing I noticed. I came off as very low-key, I never really flaunted myself on social media. I have a significant minority super empath element. Well, I became different in the relationship. Challenging. I resisted control. I was mouthy - whoops. Because I was triggered in a sort of competition I didn’t realize was there. I had been manipulated and lied to, but I had found out. I became cognizant and that was not part of the plan. So I blew, went to therapy, and I left.
I got 26% Super and fought back lots with the Narc then finished with him, he seemed very surprised when his hoovers had no effect as id had enough and just thought he was an idiot and very creepy. I then started to find out about his smearing and went a little psycho which really isn't super as it made things a lot worse.
I'm an empath and very codependent raised by a neglectful mother. My only partners where narcissistic i never really understood about the whole energy vampire thing and about empathy but I'm smacked awake i saw what he did i cut off but I'm in supernova modes right now and contact him about his stuff but I'm also now in that stage to give him back what he deserves because he used all my trauma's against me i look it know from his perspective from his cold lack of empathy heart full of controle. I've never been so angry before. I got regularly emotional dysregulated and i always felt ashamed it was my body warning me and i have been ill and tired all the time i'ts time to give him some taste from is own medicine.
Its good to know that I am evolving. I'm still attracting fake narcissistic people but I'm learning to respond to them. The triggers have been around my whole life. I've fought off a woman attacking my mother at age 12. I'm not violent but I have warned men that if they try me I will fight back. I call it my berserker mode. 🤷♀️
Great insight HG! I was just losing my shit with the narcissist and refused to comply at one point... the ending was pretty messy, like my body exploded at the abuse from the narc in an act of self-defense. I didn't know myself but it came as a reaction from the narc bullshit.
Did you find that it was more like an instant? I ask because when my narcissist went too far, I had enough and exploded. It was just instant. I didn't know she was a narcissist, nor did I know I was an empath. I didn't even know these people existed. I went Grey Rock after to save myself.
@@mday3821I would say a lot of things coming from the narc were building my anger up to the point where I couldn't hold the frustration any longer, and the stored-up energy was released in an explosion where I felt I needed to destroy sth in order to save myself. Quite scary because I thought I was really losing it... but it was a reaction of my body to actually regain control of myself.
@@mday3821Sure... it is a survival mechanism, very rarely applied and unconscious, that's why it appears to be scary... sth primeval rising up, unheard of in modern "civilised" society.
Been thru an explosive episode in court , at the abuse of the system - result , 4 resignations , and 2 more put on " light duties" . . With unintended benefits for about 2k more households . I don't feel any better for what occurred as it need not have happened , had the narcs not lit the fuse .
Ok, HG. I am almost glad with the video and your knowledge about us. I always go no contact with the narcissists and never ever look back, I do not like to lose my time .
HG is actually creating a school for super empaths aka a better world for all of us. And that is wonderful, it is touching. A dark night saving as much as he can possible save. I find this quite romantic. Or in any case honorable
The super empath secretly enjoys the fight too you know, because at the back of their mind they have the firm conviction that they will win. Or at least agree to call it a draw. Looking forward to your deep dive, HG
@@c.i.8770 I'd say the relationship is over before the fight or as soon as it starts. They go through the motions in a resigned way, enjoying insomuch as they know how it will play out this time IF they keep getting the same bull they have been allowing to slide and/or forgiving for waaaaay too long. In respect of winning is knowing they have the strength to walk away and never look back. Because: ENOUGH
@@c.i.8770 I'd also say that winning is unimportant. Who cares about the win? Only narcs imo. When I say 'enjoy' the fight, I mean this because the empath's narc traits have already come to the fore to actually take it on and actually go there. Hence it can be relatively rewarding if not quite enjoyable. Rewards for them come from the conclusion being reached and a decision being made rather than getting off on being crowned the winner. And winning is subjective in this instance imo. Maybe enjoyable is not the right word, but certainly not something they dread or are scared of at that point. The 'fight' just becomes a means to an end. Thee ACTUAL end The fight is a little tedious to them imo - as they can already predict how it is going to go, going in. They will then adopt a "Come on, let's get this over with" kind of attitude
HG determined me to be a majority super and ashamed to admit yes back in the day I used to enjoy the fight. Now that I have emotional thinking under control I live a very quiet boring life and like it that way.
Because we super empaths don't play in emotions. We KNOW that emotions are NOT feelings. We can pick apart that shit quick! If we give in to the nonsense, it's because maybe the narc will see something differently if we try to show them. Course, never has that been the case, not in my case. 🤷🏼
Whew so u saying I’m pretty much just as messed up as the narc just with positive emotions to go with it😩 this really explained how I feel never ever thought of myself as a empath this just blew my mind… I’m like I can’t be a narc cus I have empathy but I can’t be a empath cus u do me wrong and it’s like that switches off I’m not malicious by any means but that empathy just dwindles down
I refuse to use the term empath because of the arrogance demonstrated online by those claiming to be an empath. They usually include outrageous claims of abilities. Yet demonstrate very "bitchy" energy. To me the label of empathy conveys somone kind and understanding of others' needs and experiences. I also wonder where this non DSM label fits in the DSM world of personality disirders and attachment disorders.
@ad6417 thanks, I did more digging in my older texts, and being an empath is associated with Borderline PD as the prrceived ability to feel others pain, feelings represents the difficulty in self individuation and identity.
@@joywebster2678it definitely shares some traits with borderline but it's absolutely not borderline either. I agree with HG that borderline is probably just a flavour of narcissism. I've bitched about said TH-cam content in the standard empath video, you're half expecting them to pull a healing crystal out of their ass as a demonstration. A label really shitting me in that space is 'dark empath', which really sounds like a re stylisation of a narcissist, by a narcissist (magical thinking)
@nickblack3972 good points. That's why I asked "hg" because he is using his own classification system for all disorders, I as classically trained can't always equate his homespun labels. And yes now we have pop psychology coming out with tons of new names for variations of personality disorders, and renaming of behaviours according to latest author, or seminar. But yes I've always struggled with Empath, because of those who make it "magical" but you phrase it better. I spent most of my adult life as an ER Nurse, and I had enough empathy to know looking at a patient walking through the door, that it was not good, or about to be very bad. Drs would tease me for calling out for assistance before the patient said "boo". We just called it being attentive to cues. So in my PhD studies in Psychology, empath never came up, in any class or books. But we learned that BPD differed from NPD in that they could feel situational empathy, not just cognitive empathy. Anyway, HG stating that Narcs love superhero empaths, is what traditionally we say is narcs love BPD with low personal boundaries, but one that is intact enough to stand up to the narc is initially a delightful challenge to the grandiose, and malignant narcs.
@honey_bee4238 the DSM and ICD 9 arenthe standards that must be used for a psychiatrist to bill an insurance company. So yes I've workedcwith many psychiatrists in my career and they document the DSM diagnosis with every client. So no its not wrong as you suggest, it's ever undergoing redevelopment, as new things are researched and language changes. Certain groups of psychologists and psychiatrists will form an opinion group and want things removed, renamed or a criteria added or removed. Currently there is a group pushing g to drop histrionic Pd from cluster B claiming its assumed under Borderline. I don't think it should completely vanish because it can pair up with both NPD and BPD and look slightly different. So what's your point? You are saying psychiatrists no longer abide by a standard of diagnoses? That defeats the ability to bill, communicate with other mental health, professionals, and sets the profession back a great many years. Psychiatrists have never shared diagnoses by DSm code with patients as the labels are hard for many to cope with.
I don’t like the word revenge. But I’ve gone no contact and kicked her out of my home after careful planning to protect me but also my family as I was fooled into being engaged with her. I did not want any revenge nor did I felt the need to break her down, but as she kept on trying to harass me using all of her known tools, guilt tripping, manipulation, slandering, projecting her weaknesses on me, using my family and friends to persuade me to take her back, I eventually got tired of it and I’ve lost all inhibition to control myself and literally gave her a taste of her own medicine. I harassed her with carefully chosen words, exposing her real nature and making her feel ashamed of herself until she literally ran away and begged me to leave her alone. Don’t cast your pearls before swines. But also, don’t seek revenge. But ALSO, if you can handle it and if you feel you had enough of the abuse, Don’t. Hold. Back. Bullies are allergic to being bullied. And narcissists are weak people, easily to manipulate back when you’ve become aware of their patterns of abuse. Stay safe
I've known I was an empath and a sensitive for many years now, but just now learning of these different variations of empaths. I do keep to myself, I don't like crowds, and sadly I work in a very public setting, an airport. So I'm in constant exposure to many emotions at once, 5 days a week, 8 hrs a day. Leaving me drained and just exhausted, burnt out even. I wear obsidian to help shield me, but still it's too much sometimes... all the time.
A lot of empathic people are too busy thinking about other people's feelings. I got used by people because I was thinking about other people's feelings. I could not understand why people were not thinking about my feelings. I started thinking why bother . I was always finishing last . I began saying no to people. I also realised I need to start thinking with cognitive empathy rather feeling emotional empathy. I also had complex pdsd. Now i could not care less if people are upset by me not doing what they want. They only care about themselves . When Empathic people start having contempt for narcissistic people they have lost their power. Because they know that empathic people won't feed their egos
As your description @HG and what I’ve experienced myself, they tend to be people that can display aspects of narcissism in order to play them at their game. As you you say their ( not verbatim) bullshito’meter can be challenged at any given moment to combat narcissistic devaluing when they’ve had enough. The empathic traits can only go so far yet realising what their up against. Those empathetic types attracted to the narc gregarious types, the fake alphas ,will know this ,and certainly will find not find their character traits upsetting, but a sense of amusement that they’re trying to pull the wool over ( unless there are other people involved for sure) ..just an observation…
The Queen Mother was either a super empath or a narcissist. She fought with Louis Mountbatten (who appeared like he was a narcissist or had strong narcistic traits) over the influence over Charles. The Queen Mother was very close with Charles, it appears like he was her favourite grandchild. Charles was also very close with Mountbatten and calls him the grandfather he never had, even though Mountbatten had his own grandchildren and was never as close with the other three children of Queen Elizabeth. I read that the Queen Mother never liked Mountbatten. I believe she was aware of his BS and suspected that he wanted to get his hand on the heir to the throne for a particular reason. As a young man Mountbatten befriended the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) and he was always very close to people who either had the crown or were heirs to the crown. He was also close to King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II. Prince Philipp was Mountbattens nephew and adoptive son. Some say Mountbatten arranged the marriage of Elizabeth and Philipp but I am such a hopeless romantic and possible so naive that I can't believe this. I also have a hard time believing that Mountbatten was truly a narcissist even though this man was a walking red flag and had a very cold aura. The only time he does not appear to have a cold aura is in old pictures where he is physically close to either the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) or the Duke of York (later George VI). I am convinced that Mountbatten was a raging homosexual who only ever felt contentment when he was in the arms of his broad shouldered lovers. May he now have peace.
A true empath understands the workings of a narcissist. They understand that the narc lacks certain abilities and will not be able to, for example, return empathy. The empath knows that giving to a narc is a one-way transaction. The empath can choose to give but are aware of what they are doing and will not be hurt when not receiving kindness in return. Unlike ordinary people, the empath does not expect reciprocation from the narcissist. It is not that different from assisting a blind person, although we consider physically challenged people as unaccountable of their shortcomings. Ordinary people tend to think that the narc is being deliberately mean, but empaths understand that their wiring is different.
I think the empath is an angel, a super empath is a cross breed of an angel and a demon. But the angel side has more control. The demon comes out when faced with another demon, but when it does the angel side weakens. A demon can never defeat another demon. Eventually the narcissist (demon) walks away leaving an exhauted super empath, but that fight would also have severely injured the narcissist, probably putting it into a state of shock.
Thanks HG. I am one of these empaths. I gave an innate aversion to manipulation due to being raised by a narc mother. I am their kryptonite. I play back. I refuse to accept their attempts and calmly do not react - I respond, with the intention of ahutting my potential abuser down. I have innumerable examples in my life where I played the UNO reversal card and make them angry instead of them hoovering any energy from me. Its always delicious. And so, in some ways I mirror their intention back on them. I dont give shit and I dont take any either. Is there an "Ultra" empath? Thats me. 😎👍
Having a lot of empathy is really hard sometimes. Idk if I’m super, codependent or any of the other types.. all I know is… sometimes bruh its hard to appreciate it when nobody else seems to go out of their way to understand the same way you do.
It sounds to me that the Super Empath is rather more of a "Super Normal" than a "Super Empath", if they say "no more" and fight back. Surely, that is what Normals would do?
@pat_an you’re right in that super empaths and normals generally take less s@&t. Of course the super like any empath still has the addiction, unlike normals
You always say empaths have the standard empathy for a wide range of people… which I can definitely relate to. But it’s dosent feel right to me to leave it at that. Because I feel empathy for almost everything. Sometimes even inanimate objects. I mean everything is just atoms vibrating at different frequencies…i feel like it’s an effort to mentally separate myself from the field of existence. Who am I to judge which bunch of vibrating atoms is most worthy of my empathy 😅 your work reminds me to be a little more selfish so I can achieve more goals 🌟
The Empath detector detected Super for me but it isn't majority. But when it comes out it is true....I finally see the light and my emotional thinking goes way down and I can see the BS and there is nothing in me that can tolerate the narc insanity one second longer. From there I can be a formidable foe.
@@fingerscrossed2453 I dont know if HG would want me to talk about this because he advocates for GOSO. And I agree with him 100% but there are situations where you don't have a choice but to play the narcs game....very very strategically while eliminating all emotional thinking as best you can (as an empath it is very hard to do). It has taken me years to take down the narcs I've taken down. Years. Its not a fun game and I dont recommend it because it isn't just "years"...its years of SUFFERING. you're not living a life. You're in a war with a narc. Honestly if I ever get ensnared again I will set up a meeting with HG if he is still offering them because I think he could cut to the chase quicker than I can because I still have to battle my emotional thinking. And knowing what I know now about going into war with a narc, and if I got ensnared like that again, my super empath side would cry. Lol. It's so exhausting. Goso at least allows you to move on much quicker. But if you don't have a choice then you get very strategic, give nothing away, and employ a ton of patience and accept that you will suffer because the narc will make sure of it.
Listening to “Ram Jam Black Betty” in the bath I had his Narcissistic ass run 😂 while I tell him “f your momma and what she made”. Im going on with my business plan and GREAT life. I laugh at him daily. You, as a TRUE Empath, have to not give a f. When you finally get to that point, you have struggled and lost a lot, but you WILL beat them. You’re smarter and stronger. Just remember that. Updates incoming…. 💪🏽
The silent treatment is The best technique. Why bother with The Bull💩. It's better to walk away Knowing you're learning From the experience.. As well As. Breaking pattern's of Co dependency behaviour.. Thank you 4 sharing 🤙💚🙂
Hhhmm, this explains a lot..It’s like you have this step back mentality and just want…a mirroring effect..like looking at yourself, just a little…until it very clear.. wow .. super empaths .. Hhmm 🤔😏
I thought you were a horse! Then I made the horse/hoarse... whatever it is called . Now what could be causing my .... are you in the shower? I am losing it!
I wouldn't bother with revenge. I feel like it's trying to beat a narcissist at his own game. Leave the revenge to the grudge-holding narcissists. You can't beat them (at their own game) so don't join them. Just walk away. That will be enough.
I am so confused about where I fit and if I’m an empath at all. I know I have definite narcissistic traits. I am a feisty Sicilian if someone is being unfair or trying to hurt me or those I love. I have worried for a long time that I might be a narcissist but I have empathy (heart not just head) for those far outside my family and friend circle, and will often act on that empathy silently. But I don’t find myself in any of these empathy videos. I struggle with grandiosity but I work on reigning that in because it is not fair to others. I’m pedantic, but working on that too. It takes me a long time to get over grudges but I eventually do, and work hard to process my anger and get to a point where I can feel sorry for or forgive the other person, and even pray for them even though I know reconciliation is not an option. Some of those seem like they might put me on the empathic end of personality, but I think my narcissistic tendencies, while getting better are still high. I also have my limits and cut people out of my life if I find out they are trying to manipulate me nefariously or trying to use me as a flying monkey. Maybe I’m one of those unaware Middle Mids that HG talks about and don’t realize it. At the same time I never want to hurt anyone, even unintentionally. I just really don’t know what I am.
Thankful again for the person who taught what people who practice Dark Triad are like in everyday life. Dyes hair red. 1) Give what you can to the person, and let them know what you want in return. But information is worth way more than you realize so treat that as the most important in trade. 2) Play on the their curiosity to seem interesting and playful don’t tell them everything they want to know. Be mysterious 3) If they like words of affirmation, help them build their Ego; give them quotes to relate to themselves so they can become their OWN supply. One is “I’m not perfect, you’re not perfect, and that’s just perfect” they like to feel deep and like they’ve done the work to grow from the havoc they’ve created. It’s useful for them to con the new people. 4) Try 80/20 listening. Reverse the dialogue so you’re learning about THEM 5) Don’t be too agreeable- they like to win. So be open minded when listening to their points and ask intelligent questions. 6) When they lie to you, figure out what fears or insecurities they have from “The Talk”. If it’s not a big deal act like it is. If it is act like it isn’t. They repeat the most offensive hurtful things so that’s why. Follow up with being unpredictable and no explanations. 7) Be “Business polite” and extra friendly, yet super busy. They’ll get nervous and wonder what’s up. 8) When they accuse you of something to get out of facing what you first brought up, Say you’ll think about it, and politely end the conversation as soon as possible. It means they are saying no and they don’t care. If you keep trying to call them out or get an apology they’ll just hurt you worse and more. 9) Make their favorite food, give them Carte Blanche, be available 1/3 of what they want, or whatever you can give from a real kind heart, talk about their sports and hobbies, share you you already did, and some plans that you don’t care if they foil. Mine was in the USMC Intel, now supports detectives and police. Hunts people. Testifies in court. It’s been a ride.
Non of this answers what has always been my question, what I call selective empathy. Not a fake empath somebody that is one of these empath types or a combination of types which I’m sure the majority are. So they have real empathy BUT it’s selective. This shows up all the time with the so called Empath, no explanation has ever been given for this. Unless I’ve missed it somewhere. I’m pleased to see hg is now calling BPD just a type of narcissist. I got slaughtered on his blog years ago for suggesting such a thing. Being told No No they have actually too many emotions they can’t cope with their emotions, or similar. I’m Not convinced they really know what the people with narcissists with selective empathy are. Two sides of the same coin springs to mind. A narcissist is a narcissist we get it, they are what they are, this empath thing is very murky & doesnt fully make sense. Cluster B makes sense, it takes a long time to understand it but once you do it makes sense & is a light bulb moment for how the whole world works. Empaths is yet to fully make sense to me. What I mean by that is the people drawn to toxic relationships & the result is quite simply different versions of empathy. I’m just not sure because they always lack empathy for others. Harry is a perfect example Zero empathy for a list of people , maybe an extreme example but just an example & his empathetic traits could not have been eroded immediately.
@@ad6417 I can understand why you think that’s what I’m talking about because I say selective empathy which could be applied to a normal. They empathise with a certain amount of people but that doesn’t extend out too much. But no that is not what I mean. I’m talking about empaths of all types that are not normals but still are happy to chose the narcissist over other people like for example their children or other friends or family members, even although the narcissist may be abusive to those people or the “empath” may cut themselves off from those people in order to chose the narcissist, or allow their children to suffer by keep choosing the narcissist. That is not a normal, or even if I normal did this it would be short lived & would only go so far, unlike “empaths” who do this all the time.
Do you think it is possible that you can "upgrade" from a standard or codependent empath to a super empath after enduring and "surviving" years of emotional narcistic abuse? Asking for a friend
@@ad6417 I'm not sure this is right. The different schools are just hallmarks of the empathic experience. They're just your instincts. If you become self aware, you check yourself more. Thus, you might display more traits of another school. hg says that empaths have narcissistic traits which at hidden until they become abused/need to "level up". I myself am not a magnet - until people approach me. If I'm feeling dark, it doesn't pop up. But I see elements of it on my travels.
I humbly suggest that a Super Empath may indeed go around kicking people’s asses if they happen to be, say, a MMA fighter or a stunt performer, or otherwise similarly employed. ;P Forgive me, I couldn’t resist. 😅
On Andrews pg it said Tudor was a Narcissistic psychopath, but seems just narcissistic not psychopath. I was in a psychopath house I think was going to kill me before I got out, I’d love to ask 1 about it. I’d have to say that wasn’t the first time either. As an empathetic tarot reader nobody can do anything for a narcissist
Since Obama is a Greater, I am really curious if Michelle is a super empath or just another narcissist. She seems to have the same charisma as him (if not greater - no pun intended).
Do you have an example of this in real life that you could point to for us to understand phenomenon better? For example, how would you classify Kendrick and Drake in their current beef? Is there any way to analyze that in terms of narcissist and/or empath dynamics?
Question, can empaths be just as ill as a narc if they can not diferenciate when IS time to stop the empathy? When I mean ill I mean ill as the other extreme of the narc?
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This, my friends, is the best description of a super empath, albeit I’m not a fan of the term supernova. A super empath for me is someone with strong principles, ethical beliefs, authentic self esteem, able to value his or her beliefs over mainstream beliefs, the type that does not understand the hype of influencers as they tend to carve their own paths and do not care about what others might think about them. Yet, they are extraordinarily empathetic and generous out of a strong sense of self. We don’t go ‘supernova’, we just get tired of the bs and the abuse and use our strengths, intuition and wisdom to blast the abuser far away, often by exposing the shame and pains of the abuser in a clear, precise and unapologetic way.
I agree but a supernova can have the ability to effectively destroy a narcissist person.
Been there, done that.
Best revenge is no revenge 😅 I find that you can’t purposefully get revenge on a narcissist, sometimes you may inadvertently find that some kind of ‘justice’ comes about but usually when you aren’t expecting it, and makes you realise you made a right choice of getting out and focusing on your priorities
No revenge. I agree with you, Leila. Too much energy required too, plus it would backfire. Comeuppance will happen naturally
@LeilaJane your comment makes no sense at all you said the best revenge is no revenge so technically it's not revenge you should have just not said that at all because you don't sound cool you just sounds dumb
Well some do believe revenge is God’s alone.
Yes moving on bettering and improving yourself and living a better happier life without giving them the time of day really hurts them and is the best and ultimate revenge
Why revenge on a pitiful person. I used to want revenge but then I realised they are lesser beings, while empaths are more better than the average being.
Life is wonderful for me regardless of my situation. Happiness is at every corner why the narcissist just lives in hell. They bring hell to everyone around them as well.
Mostly I agree with what you say. Where I differ is that a super empath is an empath with resilience who has been burned over time by narcissistic character types. To have learned over time that the best method for the empath of protecting self and those around them is to stand back, learn the game play of the narcissist. Then counter decisively and move them off to another orbit - because they will never change,.
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I agree with this. As someone who cannot afford to take the Empath detector, I studied these videos. I realised I was a Codependent Matyr when I was young. As time has passed I realised how people were using me, I worked on my Codependency and I find myself fairly able to standup for myself and not take people's Bullshit. I also recognised the two middle middle ranged Narcissists in my life. So I believe empaths evolve when they learn
I am a Super Empath and I can devour 10 narcs at one time. When a super empath learns their powers, it is over for a narcissist.
True story
I love the updated version of these empath videos ❤ & for pointing out that the schools & cadres aren’t better or worse than another. It’s knowledge that empowers an empath not the school or cadre
Yes, I agree! We can all learn from knowing who we are and empower ourselves accordingly!
Exactly! There’s no competition we just got a chance for learning life’s together for some time... 😊
So true, well said 👍 I'm learning so much more ❤
Simply the Super Empath is not Buffy the Narcissist Slayer. Thank you for the explanation HG.
I’d like to know which personality is the narcissist slayer. Not sure if there’s a video on the subject or not.
That was my favorite show growing up
a super empath has a weapon that you will never have: a great and very fine emotional intelligence in addition to a cognitive empathy which scans you as well as you do it, an almost magical intuition and some, like me, the ability to feel people's vibrations in their bodies. When a super emphat has had enough of your repetitive and predictable patterns he knows how to shame you for your life, you will no longer see the day in the same way. A super empath knows how to cut himself off from his emotions if necessary for his own survival. My father was like you, same condescension towards himself, and I love him because thanks to him I am who I am today
Well said. It took me 40 years to finally see the upside of my sensitifity. Now I'm about to learn to use my body as a sort of bio-sensor to learn about others energetic conditions...quite a journey
Well said. It took me 40 years to finally see the upside of my sensitifity. Now I'm about to learn to use my body as a sort of bio-sensor to learn about others energetic conditions...quite a journey
The best revenge in life is living well. It’s truly delicious.
He triggered me with his smell. It was like rotting flesh and I had to gag and left immediately his presence ignoring him since then.
So true! I had a malignant narcissist try to control me recently and someone who had known me for decades said “Did he not realise that you are uncontrollable?” 😂
This and the whole Empath detector is extremely valuable. It takes a while to understand the categories etc., but it is very useful in learning about oneself. It needs to be revisited several times though because there are several layers of understanding. HG is an extremely good psychologist.
Thank you for explaining this, HG, it certainly explains my super nova moment, my narc ex friend burst into our house to attack our son, after he had defended himself to a rude guest at her party and we had left. Not today, missy. After it was over and not only had I put her in her place ( I had no idea what I meant then when I said smoke and mirrors), I felt strangely calm, almost as if I'd made things 'right'. I never spoke to her again. I knew there was no way back.
Have noticed that karma comes to them in time; may not be during your lifetime but it does come. At 70 years of age I could write volumes on the karma I’ve witnessed on narcissists. No contact works & things will get back to you in unusual ways.
Once again, a wonderful series HG. I have learned just so much from you and I would like to take the opportunity to thank you again.
My sentiments exactly !
Narcissists are like those Androids in that Dragon Ball Z Anime, You give them a Powerful blast of energy thinking it will destroy them but all they do is absorb it and increase their Power Level.
My narc was my mother-in-law. Once I realised what I was dealing with I just had as little to do with her as possible and refused to take her bullshit onboard. I was aware she didn’t choose to be who she was, but also that I needed to defend myself from her poison. I did what was necessary to maintain cordial relations without being sucked into her rubbish. She eventually respected my independence I think. We achieved a n equilibrium.
I tried. I really tried. Between her calling and weeping and my ex hubby it was impossible until I could harden my heart and stiffen my back bone.
This was in the days before caller ID was common.
Justice is not my destiny. God is. God and the universe He carries.
HALLELUYAH
An excellent lesson.I am a super empath. Once I recognized wrong behavior I was fighting back for the rights and I refused his bullshit.
I guess this partly explains my violent temper ... Especially the parts about being reactive, and about being triggered more by someone mistreating one I care for than if someone does something to me. My skin is made of teflon. It is nearly impossible to rattle me with words. But the wrath that emerges when someone I see as less able to handle it is being abused, is straight up dangerous. I can't stop myself. My therapist told me its a fight or flight response to trauma, but maybe it is a little bit of both.
I have evolved to this along the life has teached me lessons (and now youtube videos). The last narcissist before seeing these videos, could not get any negative fuel from me, could not get me provocated and the relationship lasted only few months instead of years. And after these videos I have so much more knowledge and I let my new friend go immediately when first toxic signs appeared.
HG it’s almost as if the Super Empath has a lot of Narcissistic traits. It reminds me of how hate and love can be similar but differ so much technically based off it’s human emotion. If I’ve missed the boat let me know.
I noticed that more of my super empath minority manifested increasingly with motherhood. I knew I could deal with the tides of devaluation and respite periods but once I realized my ex was incapable, not just unwilling, of reserving his abusive tendencies in private away from them, my eyes were forcibly pried open. I didn't want to believe my ex was a narcissist for several years and actively avoided learning anything about it. My denial had to be curbstomped out of me (figuratively...) so I could find the fortutude to do what I saw as impossible but my kids didn't deserve to grow up in the hell of having a full-time aggressive hostile parental narcissist. If he didn't ramp up the devaluation around the time I had my third baby, if he didn't have an "affair" (nonsexual as far as I know but neither seemed to believe it was bizarre to cuddle while watching TV in his bolthole while I'm caring for a newborn) with a 19yo coworker who eventually acted like our unpaid nanny. Once I began to demonstrate that I knew the jig was up, he was a narcissist although I never overtly indicated that to him (but referring to him as abusive a few times were INCESSANTLY brought up as malicious false accusations), and that I was finally no longer going to adhere to trying to appease him through self flagellation, his devaluation rapidly intensified to a point that I didn't believe him capable of, my urgency to leave paralleled it. So, out of the clear blue I sprung a legal no contact DV order and divorce proceedings on him (thanks to HG btw for giving me the invaluable insight required to escape during the last few months of my marriage). He has weekend visitation with the kids and despite attempting a few malign hoovers, his absence hasn't been the end of the world like I once believed. Turns out that I'm much better off without him, even if that means materially struggling or being a single mom. Once I saw that he didn't truly love our kids, like I thought he did, and in fact was willing to subject them to the harsh cruelty he experienced himself, that was my line. Just witnessing their behavioral issues degenerate into total dysfunction. It's been about 10 months and they're doing much better, emotionally regulated and significantly more articulate (the oldest two had severe verbal delays, still academically delayed in areas but I can't say it's all bc of my ex either).
Your videos have not; only helped me find closure from a few distant memories of my narcissist ex, but helped me understand my own psyche and journey on this planet.
Several months ago I was binge listening to your videos. The YT algorithm played your 2 y.o. Super Narcissist and Supernova videos back to back and by the end, many things made sense when viewed through HG Tudor Truth and Clarity Filter.
A super empath cannot exist without acknowledging their narcissistic shadow side. The only reason a Super Empath and Greater Narcissist can coexist is the empath's understanding of their own narcissism yet no BS attitude from the Super. I loathed the term super empath (no offense) because it implied some kind of Mother Theresa and Dali Lama brand of goodness and love (though MT and DL were/are narcissist grifters, IMHO). I see the pretty hippie girls posting their borrowed platitudes about how hard it is to be an empath while they vagabond from festival to festival living and vibing their best lives.
There is such s sense of freedom listening to your videos. Oh, and the supernova backfires...you are the only person to articulate this. Fortunately I have age and too many experiences to let emotional thinking get in the way. I would rather move on and freeze someone out than exact revenge. Revenge is fuel for the narcissist.
Could it be that the average super empath is actually the family scapegoat(person that sees the toxicity and doesn't by default conform to the family boss, aka the narc, and is therefore punished ) in a family dynamic where one of the parents is the narcissists and the other parent the enabler?
You just described my life but I’m not majority super.
I am the scapegoat so I guess it makes sense. However both of my parents were narcs.
Like Lucifer
This is me through and through! Thank you for the excellent explanation.
Thank you❣️
I’m have by HG’s empath detector only dash of super empath ( insignificant) and I think that empathic supernova raised only once in my relationship with my ex and it was when he started to picking up on MY daughter and I took action immediately and call the authority and they transferred us to safety but as on the run, looking for everything from scratch and unfortunately given up and went back to him, today I still regret it. Full horror was ahead of me than, but now I’m free, thank you HG❤
You pegged me as a super empath and I was actually really surprised by it. But you gave a lot information about it. 🙂 I recommend HG Tudor's empath detector. I did another one too, but it was awhile ago and I forgot the name of that one. Maybe I did both empath and narc detector. I think I did the narc detector first because I was wondering if I could be one lol.
I was wondering also.
@@Leigh1968 I actually did not do the narc detector now that I accessed the files again. There was the empath detector and traits detector that I did. So that means I decided to do the empath detector first. I came back empath and I was actually surprised. But now it makes sense. I have a condition where it's hard for me to show emotion, (probably from all kinds of trauma in my life), but I now understand I do have a lot of empathy. I am just not as expressive as some people. So I think that is what made me wonder if I was a narcissist. I was actually officially diagnosed with Schiziod personality disorder about 2 decades years ago. And one of the traits is coldness and aloofness. I have all their DSM traits except for perhaps 'Neither desires nor enjoys close relationships.' I actually have been married and have children and I am especially close to all my children. So I am not sure if that one applies to me. Or ever applied to me. I can only say I don't 'need' close intimate relationships. If anyone could function as a nun or monk or something- I can. lol This disorder can often come off to people as narcissism or psychopathy/anti-social in some cases, which is why I was pretty curious how my test results would come out. (I did not disclose my disorder to HG Tudor at any time either.)
Thank you, HG🤍
You are a god damn genius!
The first thing I noticed about the narcissist - I said to him you put yourself out there, you are confident. First thing I noticed. I came off as very low-key, I never really flaunted myself on social media. I have a significant minority super empath element. Well, I became different in the relationship. Challenging. I resisted control. I was mouthy - whoops. Because I was triggered in a sort of competition I didn’t realize was there. I had been manipulated and lied to, but I had found out. I became cognizant and that was not part of the plan. So I blew, went to therapy, and I left.
Thank you for explaining the Super xx
I'm majority super. It's a hard knock life.
I got 26% Super and fought back lots with the Narc then finished with him, he seemed very surprised when his hoovers had no effect as id had enough and just thought he was an idiot and very creepy. I then started to find out about his smearing and went a little psycho which really isn't super as it made things a lot worse.
I'm an empath and very codependent raised by a neglectful mother. My only partners where narcissistic i never really understood about the whole energy vampire thing and about empathy but I'm smacked awake i saw what he did i cut off but I'm in supernova modes right now and contact him about his stuff but I'm also now in that stage to give him back what he deserves because he used all my trauma's against me i look it know from his perspective from his cold lack of empathy heart full of controle. I've never been so angry before. I got regularly emotional dysregulated and i always felt ashamed it was my body warning me and i have been ill and tired all the time i'ts time to give him some taste from is own medicine.
I want that mug, damn it!
This video, this one....wow! Just answered so many questions for me, thank you HG.
Its good to know that I am evolving. I'm still attracting fake narcissistic people but I'm learning to respond to them. The triggers have been around my whole life. I've fought off a woman attacking my mother at age 12. I'm not violent but I have warned men that if they try me I will fight back. I call it my berserker mode. 🤷♀️
Excellent, Hg thank you.
Great insight HG! I was just losing my shit with the narcissist and refused to comply at one point... the ending was pretty messy, like my body exploded at the abuse from the narc in an act of self-defense. I didn't know myself but it came as a reaction from the narc bullshit.
Did you find that it was more like an instant? I ask because when my narcissist went too far, I had enough and exploded. It was just instant. I didn't know she was a narcissist, nor did I know I was an empath. I didn't even know these people existed.
I went Grey Rock after to save myself.
@@mday3821I would say a lot of things coming from the narc were building my anger up to the point where I couldn't hold the frustration any longer, and the stored-up energy was released in an explosion where I felt I needed to destroy sth in order to save myself. Quite scary because I thought I was really losing it... but it was a reaction of my body to actually regain control of myself.
@holger4644 That makes sense. It's like feeling like your body is a bomb of energy from being so angry. Thank you for answering my question.
@@mday3821Sure... it is a survival mechanism, very rarely applied and unconscious, that's why it appears to be scary... sth primeval rising up, unheard of in modern "civilised" society.
Been thru an explosive episode in court , at the abuse of the system - result , 4 resignations , and 2 more put on " light duties" . . With unintended benefits for about 2k more households .
I don't feel any better for what occurred as it need not have happened , had the narcs not lit the fuse .
Ok, HG. I am almost glad with the video and your knowledge about us. I always go no contact with the narcissists and never ever look back, I do not like to lose my time .
HG is actually creating a school for super empaths aka a better world for all of us. And that is wonderful, it is touching. A dark night saving as much as he can possible save. I find this quite romantic. Or in any case honorable
The super empath secretly enjoys the fight too you know, because at the back of their mind they have the firm conviction that they will win. Or at least agree to call it a draw. Looking forward to your deep dive, HG
I can assure you they do not. Winning does, but not the fight
@@c.i.8770 I'd say the relationship is over before the fight or as soon as it starts. They go through the motions in a resigned way, enjoying insomuch as they know how it will play out this time IF they keep getting the same bull they have been allowing to slide and/or forgiving for waaaaay too long. In respect of winning is knowing they have the strength to walk away and never look back. Because: ENOUGH
@@c.i.8770 I'd also say that winning is unimportant. Who cares about the win? Only narcs imo. When I say 'enjoy' the fight, I mean this because the empath's narc traits have already come to the fore to actually take it on and actually go there. Hence it can be relatively rewarding if not quite enjoyable. Rewards for them come from the conclusion being reached and a decision being made rather than getting off on being crowned the winner. And winning is subjective in this instance imo. Maybe enjoyable is not the right word, but certainly not something they dread or are scared of at that point. The 'fight' just becomes a means to an end. Thee ACTUAL end
The fight is a little tedious to them imo - as they can already predict how it is going to go, going in. They will then adopt a "Come on, let's get this over with" kind of attitude
HG determined me to be a majority super and ashamed to admit yes back in the day I used to enjoy the fight. Now that I have emotional thinking under control I live a very quiet boring life and like it that way.
@@ad6417 Nothing to be ashamed of. You enjoyed it as your emotional empathy was hanging from a frayed rope. a quiet life can be a happy life xxx
Because we super empaths don't play in emotions. We KNOW that emotions are NOT feelings. We can pick apart that shit quick! If we give in to the nonsense, it's because maybe the narc will see something differently if we try to show them. Course, never has that been the case, not in my case. 🤷🏼
Monsieur Tudor we meet again.
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Thank you. Listening from Alaska.
Wow. I had no idea. I took the empath detector. Would highly recommend everyone to take it, am very impressed.
Whew so u saying I’m pretty much just as messed up as the narc just with positive emotions to go with it😩 this really explained how I feel never ever thought of myself as a empath this just blew my mind… I’m like I can’t be a narc cus I have empathy but I can’t be a empath cus u do me wrong and it’s like that switches off I’m not malicious by any means but that empathy just dwindles down
I sent my narc to jail and have no contact 💥
I refuse to use the term empath because of the arrogance demonstrated online by those claiming to be an empath. They usually include outrageous claims of abilities. Yet demonstrate very "bitchy" energy. To me the label of empathy conveys somone kind and understanding of others' needs and experiences. I also wonder where this non DSM label fits in the DSM world of personality disirders and attachment disorders.
The closest might be cluster c personality disorders
@ad6417 thanks, I did more digging in my older texts, and being an empath is associated with Borderline PD as the prrceived ability to feel others pain, feelings represents the difficulty in self individuation and identity.
@@joywebster2678it definitely shares some traits with borderline but it's absolutely not borderline either. I agree with HG that borderline is probably just a flavour of narcissism.
I've bitched about said TH-cam content in the standard empath video, you're half expecting them to pull a healing crystal out of their ass as a demonstration. A label really shitting me in that space is 'dark empath', which really sounds like a re stylisation of a narcissist, by a narcissist (magical thinking)
@nickblack3972 good points. That's why I asked "hg" because he is using his own classification system for all disorders, I as classically trained can't always equate his homespun labels. And yes now we have pop psychology coming out with tons of new names for variations of personality disorders, and renaming of behaviours according to latest author, or seminar. But yes I've always struggled with Empath, because of those who make it "magical" but you phrase it better. I spent most of my adult life as an ER Nurse, and I had enough empathy to know looking at a patient walking through the door, that it was not good, or about to be very bad. Drs would tease me for calling out for assistance before the patient said "boo". We just called it being attentive to cues. So in my PhD studies in Psychology, empath never came up, in any class or books. But we learned that BPD differed from NPD in that they could feel situational empathy, not just cognitive empathy. Anyway, HG stating that Narcs love superhero empaths, is what traditionally we say is narcs love BPD with low personal boundaries, but one that is intact enough to stand up to the narc is initially a delightful challenge to the grandiose, and malignant narcs.
@honey_bee4238 the DSM and ICD 9 arenthe standards that must be used for a psychiatrist to bill an insurance company. So yes I've workedcwith many psychiatrists in my career and they document the DSM diagnosis with every client. So no its not wrong as you suggest, it's ever undergoing redevelopment, as new things are researched and language changes. Certain groups of psychologists and psychiatrists will form an opinion group and want things removed, renamed or a criteria added or removed. Currently there is a group pushing g to drop histrionic Pd from cluster B claiming its assumed under Borderline. I don't think it should completely vanish because it can pair up with both NPD and BPD and look slightly different. So what's your point? You are saying psychiatrists no longer abide by a standard of diagnoses? That defeats the ability to bill, communicate with other mental health, professionals, and sets the profession back a great many years. Psychiatrists have never shared diagnoses by DSm code with patients as the labels are hard for many to cope with.
I have found over the years,that you stand your ground,also be ready to use a weapon,this will end all games
I don’t like the word revenge. But I’ve gone no contact and kicked her out of my home after careful planning to protect me but also my family as I was fooled into being engaged with her. I did not want any revenge nor did I felt the need to break her down, but as she kept on trying to harass me using all of her known tools, guilt tripping, manipulation, slandering, projecting her weaknesses on me, using my family and friends to persuade me to take her back, I eventually got tired of it and I’ve lost all inhibition to control myself and literally gave her a taste of her own medicine. I harassed her with carefully chosen words, exposing her real nature and making her feel ashamed of herself until she literally ran away and begged me to leave her alone. Don’t cast your pearls before swines. But also, don’t seek revenge. But ALSO, if you can handle it and if you feel you had enough of the abuse, Don’t. Hold. Back. Bullies are allergic to being bullied. And narcissists are weak people, easily to manipulate back when you’ve become aware of their patterns of abuse. Stay safe
Bless their hearts
I've known I was an empath and a sensitive for many years now, but just now learning of these different variations of empaths. I do keep to myself, I don't like crowds, and sadly I work in a very public setting, an airport. So I'm in constant exposure to many emotions at once, 5 days a week, 8 hrs a day. Leaving me drained and just exhausted, burnt out even. I wear obsidian to help shield me, but still it's too much sometimes... all the time.
PHRASAL PRACTICE: the challenge fuel that is given. the challenge fuel that is given. the challenge fuel that is given.
A lot of empathic people are too busy thinking about other people's feelings. I got used by people because I was thinking about other people's feelings. I could not understand why people were not thinking about my feelings. I started thinking why bother . I was always finishing last . I began saying no to people. I also realised I need to start thinking with cognitive empathy rather feeling emotional empathy. I also had complex pdsd. Now i could not care less if people are upset by me not doing what they want. They only care about themselves . When Empathic people start having contempt for narcissistic people they have lost their power. Because they know that empathic people won't feed their egos
As your description @HG and what I’ve experienced myself, they tend to be people that can display aspects of narcissism in order to play them at their game. As you you say their ( not verbatim) bullshito’meter can be challenged at any given moment to combat narcissistic devaluing when they’ve had enough. The empathic traits can only go so far yet realising what their up against. Those empathetic types attracted to the narc gregarious types, the fake alphas ,will know this ,and certainly will find not find their character traits upsetting, but a sense of amusement that they’re trying to pull the wool over ( unless there are other people involved for sure) ..just an observation…
Thanks HG 💚
I love her
Yes empaths should not act that way, but give them time, no cross talk, do not stifle the little energy they may have.
It's the Self EMPOWERED average empath that is probably the narcissi's krytonite
The Queen Mother was either a super empath or a narcissist. She fought with Louis Mountbatten (who appeared like he was a narcissist or had strong narcistic traits) over the influence over Charles.
The Queen Mother was very close with Charles, it appears like he was her favourite grandchild. Charles was also very close with Mountbatten and calls him the grandfather he never had, even though Mountbatten had his own grandchildren and was never as close with the other three children of Queen Elizabeth.
I read that the Queen Mother never liked Mountbatten. I believe she was aware of his BS and suspected that he wanted to get his hand on the heir to the throne for a particular reason.
As a young man Mountbatten befriended the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) and he was always very close to people who either had the crown or were heirs to the crown. He was also close to King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II.
Prince Philipp was Mountbattens nephew and adoptive son.
Some say Mountbatten arranged the marriage of Elizabeth and Philipp but I am such a hopeless romantic and possible so naive that I can't believe this.
I also have a hard time believing that Mountbatten was truly a narcissist even though this man was a walking red flag and had a very cold aura. The only time he does not appear to have a cold aura is in old pictures where he is physically close to either the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) or the Duke of York (later George VI).
I am convinced that Mountbatten was a raging homosexual who only ever felt contentment when he was in the arms of his broad shouldered lovers. May he now have peace.
It's been a while since I came to class HG. I see I am still a super.
A true empath understands the workings of a narcissist. They understand that the narc lacks certain abilities and will not be able to, for example, return empathy. The empath knows that giving to a narc is a one-way transaction. The empath can choose to give but are aware of what they are doing and will not be hurt when not receiving kindness in return. Unlike ordinary people, the empath does not expect reciprocation from the narcissist. It is not that different from assisting a blind person, although we consider physically challenged people as unaccountable of their shortcomings. Ordinary people tend to think that the narc is being deliberately mean, but empaths understand that their wiring is different.
I think the empath is an angel, a super empath is a cross breed of an angel and a demon. But the angel side has more control. The demon comes out when faced with another demon, but when it does the angel side weakens. A demon can never defeat another demon. Eventually the narcissist (demon) walks away leaving an exhauted super empath, but that fight would also have severely injured the narcissist, probably putting it into a state of shock.
Mmmm!! I think I'm a bit of Magnetic, Standard, and SUPER EMPATH!😊
Thanks HG. I am one of these empaths. I gave an innate aversion to manipulation due to being raised by a narc mother. I am their kryptonite. I play back. I refuse to accept their attempts and calmly do not react - I respond, with the intention of ahutting my potential abuser down. I have innumerable examples in my life where I played the UNO reversal card and make them angry instead of them hoovering any energy from me. Its always delicious. And so, in some ways I mirror their intention back on them. I dont give shit and I dont take any either. Is there an "Ultra" empath? Thats me. 😎👍
After YEARS of this special creatures abuse I would say cut yourselves some slack and remember to know a crook you have to think like one🐒
I am a majority super empath and my motto is "monkey see, monkey do".
Having a lot of empathy is really hard sometimes. Idk if I’m super, codependent or any of the other types.. all I know is… sometimes bruh its hard to appreciate it when nobody else seems to go out of their way to understand the same way you do.
Hg, please may you do one on.
What do the children of a super empath and a greater narcissist turn out to be? Please.
It sounds to me that the Super Empath is rather more of a "Super Normal" than a "Super Empath", if they say "no more" and fight back. Surely, that is what Normals would do?
A normal wouldn’t even be there because they don’t have the empathy of an empath
@pat_an you’re right in that super empaths and normals generally take less s@&t. Of course the super like any empath still has the addiction, unlike normals
@@TheHammerOfLogic Yes, true. I hadn't taken into account the addiction when I was thinking of this.
You always say empaths have the standard empathy for a wide range of people… which I can definitely relate to. But it’s dosent feel right to me to leave it at that. Because I feel empathy for almost everything. Sometimes even inanimate objects. I mean everything is just atoms vibrating at different frequencies…i feel like it’s an effort to mentally separate myself from the field of existence. Who am I to judge which bunch of vibrating atoms is most worthy of my empathy 😅 your work reminds me to be a little more selfish so I can achieve more goals 🌟
Sounds like the super empath has a higher level of self- respect and empathy toward self, that will not allow themselves to be victimised
AFFIRMATION: Challenge fuel no more to the narcissist.
The Empath detector detected Super for me but it isn't majority. But when it comes out it is true....I finally see the light and my emotional thinking goes way down and I can see the BS and there is nothing in me that can tolerate the narc insanity one second longer. From there I can be a formidable foe.
In what way? How do you weaponise yourself?
@@fingerscrossed2453 I dont know if HG would want me to talk about this because he advocates for GOSO. And I agree with him 100% but there are situations where you don't have a choice but to play the narcs game....very very strategically while eliminating all emotional thinking as best you can (as an empath it is very hard to do). It has taken me years to take down the narcs I've taken down. Years. Its not a fun game and I dont recommend it because it isn't just "years"...its years of SUFFERING. you're not living a life. You're in a war with a narc. Honestly if I ever get ensnared again I will set up a meeting with HG if he is still offering them because I think he could cut to the chase quicker than I can because I still have to battle my emotional thinking. And knowing what I know now about going into war with a narc, and if I got ensnared like that again, my super empath side would cry. Lol. It's so exhausting. Goso at least allows you to move on much quicker. But if you don't have a choice then you get very strategic, give nothing away, and employ a ton of patience and accept that you will suffer because the narc will make sure of it.
Listening to “Ram Jam Black Betty” in the bath I had his Narcissistic ass run 😂 while I tell him “f your momma and what she made”.
Im going on with my business plan and GREAT life. I laugh at him daily.
You, as a TRUE Empath, have to not give a f. When you finally get to that point, you have struggled and lost a lot, but you WILL beat them. You’re smarter and stronger. Just remember that.
Updates incoming…. 💪🏽
👍 perspectives 👍
The silent treatment is
The best technique.
Why bother with
The Bull💩.
It's better to walk away
Knowing you're learning
From the experience.. As well
As. Breaking pattern's of Co dependency behaviour..
Thank you 4 sharing 🤙💚🙂
Hhhmm, this explains a lot..It’s like you have this step back mentality and just want…a mirroring effect..like looking at yourself, just a little…until it very clear.. wow .. super empaths .. Hhmm 🤔😏
Thanks 🙏🏽
Real empathic people Don't waste, time🦁⚔ or narcissist, they will eventually fall into their own traps😂👁 spiritually awakened
I thought you were a horse!
Then I made the horse/hoarse... whatever it is called . Now what could be causing my .... are you in the shower?
I am losing it!
I wouldn't bother with revenge. I feel like it's trying to beat a narcissist at his own game. Leave the revenge to the grudge-holding narcissists. You can't beat them (at their own game) so don't join them. Just walk away. That will be enough.
I am so confused about where I fit and if I’m an empath at all. I know I have definite narcissistic traits. I am a feisty Sicilian if someone is being unfair or trying to hurt me or those I love. I have worried for a long time that I might be a narcissist but I have empathy (heart not just head) for those far outside my family and friend circle, and will often act on that empathy silently. But I don’t find myself in any of these empathy videos. I struggle with grandiosity but I work on reigning that in because it is not fair to others. I’m pedantic, but working on that too. It takes me a long time to get over grudges but I eventually do, and work hard to process my anger and get to a point where I can feel sorry for or forgive the other person, and even pray for them even though I know reconciliation is not an option. Some of those seem like they might put me on the empathic end of personality, but I think my narcissistic tendencies, while getting better are still high. I also have my limits and cut people out of my life if I find out they are trying to manipulate me nefariously or trying to use me as a flying monkey. Maybe I’m one of those unaware Middle Mids that HG talks about and don’t realize it. At the same time I never want to hurt anyone, even unintentionally. I just really don’t know what I am.
This is 100% me..had to do this too many times to count....and I am not the narc in the comment section. 😂😂😂
Thankful again for the person who taught what people who practice Dark Triad are like in everyday life. Dyes hair red.
1) Give what you can to the person, and let them know what you want in return. But information is worth way more than you realize so treat that as the most important in trade.
2) Play on the their curiosity to seem interesting and playful don’t tell them everything they want to know. Be mysterious
3) If they like words of affirmation, help them build their Ego; give them quotes to relate to themselves so they can become their OWN supply. One is “I’m not perfect, you’re not perfect, and that’s just perfect” they like to feel deep and like they’ve done the work to grow from the havoc they’ve created. It’s useful for them to con the new people.
4) Try 80/20 listening. Reverse the dialogue so you’re learning about THEM
5) Don’t be too agreeable- they like to win. So be open minded when listening to their points and ask intelligent questions.
6) When they lie to you, figure out what fears or insecurities they have from “The Talk”. If it’s not a big deal act like it is. If it is act like it isn’t. They repeat the most offensive hurtful things so that’s why. Follow up with being unpredictable and no explanations.
7) Be “Business polite” and extra friendly, yet super busy. They’ll get nervous and wonder what’s up.
8) When they accuse you of something to get out of facing what you first brought up, Say you’ll think about it, and politely end the conversation as soon as possible. It means they are saying no and they don’t care. If you keep trying to call them out or get an apology they’ll just hurt you worse and more.
9) Make their favorite food, give them Carte Blanche, be available 1/3 of what they want, or whatever you can give from a real kind heart, talk about their sports and hobbies, share you you already did, and some plans that you don’t care if they foil.
Mine was in the USMC Intel, now supports detectives and police. Hunts people. Testifies in court. It’s been a ride.
Non of this answers what has always been my question, what I call selective empathy. Not a fake empath somebody that is one of these empath types or a combination of types which I’m sure the majority are. So they have real empathy BUT it’s selective. This shows up all the time with the so called Empath, no explanation has ever been given for this. Unless I’ve missed it somewhere. I’m pleased to see hg is now calling BPD just a type of narcissist. I got slaughtered on his blog years ago for suggesting such a thing. Being told No No they have actually too many emotions they can’t cope with their emotions, or similar. I’m Not convinced they really know what the people with narcissists with selective empathy are. Two sides of the same coin springs to mind. A narcissist is a narcissist we get it, they are what they are, this empath thing is very murky & doesnt fully make sense. Cluster B makes sense, it takes a long time to understand it but once you do it makes sense & is a light bulb moment for how the whole world works. Empaths is yet to fully make sense to me. What I mean by that is the people drawn to toxic relationships & the result is quite simply different versions of empathy. I’m just not sure because they always lack empathy for others. Harry is a perfect example Zero empathy for a list of people , maybe an extreme example but just an example & his empathetic traits could not have been eroded immediately.
You are describing what is known as the normal. Their empathy is limited to a select group of people and select situations.
@@ad6417 I can understand why you think that’s what I’m talking about because I say selective empathy which could be applied to a normal. They empathise with a certain amount of people but that doesn’t extend out too much. But no that is not what I mean. I’m talking about empaths of all types that are not normals but still are happy to chose the narcissist over other people like for example their children or other friends or family members, even although the narcissist may be abusive to those people or the “empath” may cut themselves off from those people in order to chose the narcissist, or allow their children to suffer by keep choosing the narcissist. That is not a normal, or even if I normal did this it would be short lived & would only go so far, unlike “empaths” who do this all the time.
Do you think it is possible that you can "upgrade" from a standard or codependent empath to a super empath after enduring and "surviving" years of emotional narcistic abuse? Asking for a friend
I'd also like to know this.
It seems logical that any empath who becomes self aware could go supernova
No
@@ad6417 I'm not sure this is right.
The different schools are just hallmarks of the empathic experience. They're just your instincts.
If you become self aware, you check yourself more.
Thus, you might display more traits of another school.
hg says that empaths have narcissistic traits which at hidden until they become abused/need to "level up".
I myself am not a magnet - until people approach me. If I'm feeling dark, it doesn't pop up. But I see elements of it on my travels.
I humbly suggest that a Super Empath may indeed go around kicking people’s asses if they happen to be, say, a MMA fighter or a stunt performer, or otherwise similarly employed. ;P
Forgive me, I couldn’t resist. 😅
On Andrews pg it said Tudor was a Narcissistic psychopath, but seems just narcissistic not psychopath. I was in a psychopath house I think was going to kill me before I got out, I’d love to ask 1 about it. I’d have to say that wasn’t the first time either. As an empathetic tarot reader nobody can do anything for a narcissist
HG has alluded in the past to possibly being involved in killing people. I believe he's also been in prison.
I had the same doubts, but he mentioned he's diagnosed NPD+ASPD. I believe those disorders could be majorly overlap.
It seems that two empaths who have a complimentary amalgam of schools and cadres can be a very powerful force.
Wonder Twin Powers-Activate. 😉
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So I would say a Super Empath is the closet to a normal
To a narcissist
@@c.i.8770 I would say a co dependant is the closet to a narcissist not a super empath
Since Obama is a Greater, I am really curious if Michelle is a super empath or just another narcissist. She seems to have the same charisma as him (if not greater - no pun intended).
Michelle comes across to me as a Standard Carrier empath.
THE DEAD INSIDE WALKING DEAD. THIS BASIC PSYCHOLOGY
Do you have an example of this in real life that you could point to for us to understand phenomenon better? For example, how would you classify Kendrick and Drake in their current beef? Is there any way to analyze that in terms of narcissist and/or empath dynamics?
Does the super empath hold control
The woman in the pic should play Kara.
Question, can empaths be just as ill as a narc if they can not diferenciate when IS time to stop the empathy? When I mean ill I mean ill as the other extreme of the narc?
Personally, I believe so. If an awakening doesn't occur, destruction is often inevitable.
They look for their friend
You scared me the other day