Why Is the V-Sign ONLY Offensive in Certain Countries | Tales From the Bottle
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- The V-sign has led many unfortunate US representatives to accidentally make an obscene gesture in different parts of the world - so what makes it unique to these countries?
"The V sign is a hand gesture in which the index and middle fingers are raised and parted to make a V shape while the other fingers are clenched. It has various meanings, depending on the circumstances and how it is presented.
When displayed with the palm inward toward the signer, it can be an offensive gesture in some Commonwealth nations (not dissimilar to showing the middle finger), dating back to at least 1900. When given with the palm outward, it is to be read as a victory sign ("V for Victory"); this usage was introduced in January 1941 as part of a campaign by the Allies of World War II, and made more widely known by Winston Churchill. During the Vietnam War, in the 1960s, the "V sign" with palm outward was widely adopted by the counterculture as a symbol of peace and still today in the United States it is commonly called the "peace sign". Shortly thereafter, it also became a gesture associated with fun used in photographs, especially in East Asia, where the gesture is also associated with cuteness."
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In my experience the V sign may often be accompanied by saying "up yours". If you watch the 1901 footage with any lipreading skill you can see he says "up your arsehole'" and follows it with "I'm Joe" while pointing at himself. So it's pretty evident to me that Joe isnt really disapproving of being filmed, he's just a mischievous, and cheeky chappy. The camera man probably berated Joe for being rude on film and ruining his shot and said something like "ya cheeky bastard, who do ya think you are" and Joe's reply was "I'm Joe" and grinned. Joe is obviously from Newcastle way.
@@areyouavinalaff Is it why do lesbians use it with a tongue gesture. are Britts that perverse... Or ignorant hey bulldog, why wasn't palace demolished on the bombing raids, hey bulldog
I didn't know Americans were kicked out.. lol
I don't think they were actually but probably some were ..
Found out more about the long bow than the offensive two fingers
You want more on the two fingers? Among the working class the V sign is, was, commonly accompanied by the phrase "up yours". If you watch the 1901 clip carefully, you can read the guys lips as he says 'up your arsehole'" and then points to himself saying "I'm Joe" and all in a Geordie accent so it's probably footage at a Newcastle coal mine pay office. So Joe was rude to the camera, camera guy probably said something like "cheeky bastard, who do you think you are?", Joe replies with a grin "I'm Joe". There's always one.
@@areyouavinalaff this should be it's own comment
I was working for an American company and they thought it was a great idea to introduce our product in a convenient "fanny" pack in England to make it easier to carry. That promotion turned out to be surprisingly hilarious once a local told us what we had done.
Me too, but I loved every minute of it. Even encouraged me to "think" about getting my old longbow out (haven't drawn it in 10 years, as my compound only has a 65lb draw, vs the longs 145lb, and at 50 years old my back isn't getting any stronger!). My 18 year old twin boys are 6'5" and 200lb, and have never been able to draw the longbow, but it's got a ridiculous draw weight, and size.
@@davedunks4647 I thought so too, shit, I'd like a video analysis on just that segment now.
Here in Australia I reckon the "offensive" V sign is disappearing and is being replaced by the bird.
To revive it, I will use the V sign in my next mild road rage incident.
Over here in Poland we use a gun .... lol
Among the working class in England, the V sign is, was, commonly accompanied by the phrase "up yours". It has become much less common, sadly lol. If you watch the 1901 clip carefully, you can read the guys lips as he says 'up your arsehole'" and then points to himself saying "I'm Joe" and all in a Geordie accent so it's probably footage at a Newcastle coal mine pay office. So Joe was rude to the camera, camera guy probably said something like "cheeky bastard, who do you think you are?", Joe replies with a grin "I'm Joe". There's always one
Me too Im all for heritage .
This could just be my experience but the V sign was never anywhere near as offensive as the bird here in Australia. Flipping the V as a kid would've got you a stern talking to but the middle finger would've got you a wrap around the head. I reckon it's fading in use here because it's no longer offensive enough.
V for Work and the Bird for the pub
My primary school used this symbol as a sign to be quiet, I had no idea it was offensive in the UK and clearly neither did my teachers.
Please ✌, I am trying to watch a TH-cam Video! :P
in my primary school, we did something similar to the sign of satan for that (tips of thumb, middle and ring finger touching, and pointer and little finger stretched) xD
Nah your primary school teachers just hated you all and did it when yelling you to shut up
@@Ass_of_Amalek Yeah we called this the silent wolf. Whoops. More teachers used one with one finger on lips and two on the other hand in the air.
@@robertsteel3563 That's so disrespectful bro
As an American, I was told the gesture originated with dock workers. It was meant for insinuating a sex worker that had been recycled too many times. Another way of referring to a "loose" woman. (There was a sea shanty about "Two Finger Lil", who worked the taverns down under the hill.)
As an old sex worker, I find that offensive.
@@pennybedggood4126 Poor Penny, I am so sorry to have distressed you. However, at 70, my own asset has a lot in common with money, it's green and wrinkled. So I do sympathize, Dearie.
@@pennybedggood4126 once a trollope always a trollope
@@pennybedggood4126 Penny, a past sex worker, now a headmaster
@@tinkerstrade3553 I recommend getting that checked out unless you are the Hulk,
It's nice to know that Churchill was mistaken because I've always wondered what the hell he was playing at in those historic photos of him giving the Victory "V" backwards. I'm American but have known for some time how offensive the gesture is in the UK so I wasn't sure what the hell he was trying to tell the crowds/cameramen in those pictures.
I always assumed it was like a message to the rest of the world or something, like yeah we kicked ass fuck the lot of you, takes a bit away for me to know he was just a bit clueless about it
Right? When I first learned about the V sign I remembered all those pictures of Churchill. Now I know. XD
V for victory!
I mean, knowing what Winston Churchill was like, it's entirely possible he was just seeing how long he could get away with it.
I think we all really know. 😶
I was always led to believe that it was the age old traditional greeting, from the English to the French.
Well, That's not too far from the truth.
Yeah. We still greet the french with it,
followed by reminding them of "Agincourt" 🤣
It may well have had origins with the French, but for me growing up... Among the working class the V sign is, was, commonly accompanied by the phrase "up yours". If you watch the 1901 clip carefully, you can read the guys lips as he says 'up your arsehole'" and then points to himself saying "I'm Joe" and all in a Geordie accent so it's probably footage at a Newcastle coal mine pay office. So Joe was rude to the camera, camera guy probably said something like "cheeky bastard, who do you think you are?", Joe replies with a grin "I'm Joe". There's always one
It still is mate 😂
This just made a lightbulb go off in my head. Years ago I had a "friend" in high school, that would wave this sign at me on a fairly regular basis. I thought nothing of it for the past 30 or so years, but now I see why our 'friendship' fell apart. The more I think on it, the more things make sense about a lot of the things that always sort of puzzled me about the guy (although I never lost any sleep over it). These videos are entertaining AND informative!
I feel like I need a Qxir video just delving into the interactions of your friendship, with it drawn out in typical Qxir fashion. I’m invested.
@@ScoobyDoozy lol! I've spent a bit of time thinking about it. There's a ton of layers. He MUST have known that culturally I just may not know what he meant, or maybe he thought he was totally alpha-ing me, or maybe he just didn't get why I simply didn't take the hint. I have a friend that is still friend of that guy as far as I know (and each of them only have 3 friends)....I may delve deeper just for the entertainment value alone.
@@ScoobyDoozy It has to have a 5 minute interlude about the invention of the motorcycle sidecar though. This is a requirement
Yesss this needs to be a qxir video its the perfect follow up. Do drop us the details if you find out more of this story.
Probably meant nothing to him more than a salutation or a goodbye, and it does sound you lost sleep to it.
Of all the medieval painting you could find you choosed that one. Magnificent
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In the US the "V" almost universally means "peace" but especially if flipped so the palm faces the recipient. Back of hand usually means "peace, I'm out".
Interesting contrast lol
yea, even here in the uk palm facing forwards is peace and quite popular these days, but the second you flip your hand palm facing towards yourself it's an insult
@@stidles5461 So if someone shows the back, then the front of the hand, that means "F- Peace!"? 😅
Yup I do it backwards almost most err time 🤣 Never knew it was offensive abroad
I guess I’ve done it both ways, never really considered it
@@level_breaded5364 Yeah no hard rule or anything just observed over time
That bit he mentioned about longbows being fired with THREE fingers is exactly the story I was told about the origin of the gesture.
The French supposedly took a number of archers captive and, rather than kill them, they simply lopped off their ring finger and were done with it.
The archers later returned, using just the index and middle to shoot, showing them their fingers as a way of saying 'up yours'.
"Ch-Churchill youre flipping everyone off..."
History and good art, what an epic video. Thank you for the hard work.
I like the idea of the iron worker. On his face he has that look of flick off anger with the two fingers up.
The version I heard from my dad when I was a kid (in France) was that the V sign meant "I've still got these fingers", but instead from French soldiers to an English bowman whose fingers they had cut, although I see how this version makes a little less sense since we know that sign but don't use it.
I think the issue with either version is that why would the French bother? Surely they would just kill captives of low worth like that. Can’t really ransom them.
Possibly the rumour started back in the war but nobody thought about it too much.
I have an Irish friend that has said, *“Two fingers to you.”* as an insult, but I just assumed it was two middle fingers until now.
The "Pluck yew" transition is super interesting
Got an interesting last moments video idea, about a man named Bill Baggart who was a photographer on 9/11. He took photos of the entire attack, and also, took his last photo ever of the street after the first tower fell. That last photo was at 10:28am around 3 seconds before the the second tower fell, and he died. A truly tragic story, but one that I think fits the theme of that series quite well. And definitely deserves more recognition
Thank you for the video, because I accidentally offended a traveler the other day in traffic after they let me pass them, I flashed them what, as an American, I call “the peace sign” as a thank you for their courtesy, I was confused why they suddenly turned so sour towards me until now.
This os why I usually just wave😊
Australians commonly used the two fingered gesture in the 60’s, 70’s & probably earlier. Not really used much, now. Except by old people, like me.
i (canadian) unfortunately got into the habit of using this gesture in photographs right before a europe trip with my choir. nobody bothered to tell me it was offensive until the day we went home. sorry!
To be honest I don't really find it offensive
It isn't offensive in most European countries as far as I'm aware. If you did this in mainland Europe, nobody would bat an eye. It's just the UK and Ireland.
Oh Qxir that was one of your best and funniest episodes. Much love from Australia. Always a great way to start a Saturday morning downunder.
Uploaded just as I sat down in bed and started browsing TH-cam to look for something to watch, perfect timing
I keep following your videos, because they're amazing, informative, and hilariously entertaining, but more than anything, I'm watching to see the subscriber count at the end of the videos surpass 1m. Keep it up my Irish friend.
I love that you used Vyv from the Young Ones at the end of the vid, because tbh when I picture a character giving the forks he immediately springs to mind every time.
0:35 funny Qxir used the image of George Bush senior giving the "forks" (what we call it in my part of Australia); as a funny story about him and the gesture happened here.
From what I recall, when he visited Australia, he was at the Federal Capital and came across a group of Australian farmers protesting. Out of respect, the President gave the farmers what he thought was the peace or victory sign. Needless to say, the farmers saw something quite different, and were blown away that the President of the US would do that to them. 😁
Dude, you are too good at this. I'm highly critical of channels like yours in editing, clarity, humor, facts, timing, story-telling, voice-tone... and it's hard to find any fault in any category with your material.
Impressive.
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Qxir is just kind of a G like that. Even though I knew the origin of the V sign (lots of Newfoundlanders use it, on the construction sites at least). But like...
C'mon, as if I'm not going to watch this guy explain it?
I like the video game examples. I used to work for a game publisher and damned if every game doesn't have a half-dozen versions because of culturally sensitive issues. Half the time, geo-fencing (so games can only be played with the region-specific version) has nothing to do with money at all. "Sorry kid, you can't play that game you purchased on Holiday because it contains an archaic symbol which if taken out of context, might piss off your great-grandmother for reasons she can't explain". That is the actual answer, though we were NEVER allowed to say it, lol. It's been long enough that I can wipe my ass with that NDA, so I'll say it, you're absolutely right. Excellent example.
Some of them aren't just cultural, it can be a matter of law. Like the "Call of Duty: Black-Ops" series, known for its "Nazi Zombie Mode"... the German release has to remove (by LAW) all the swastikas. I get why they're sensitive about that, but it's a bit of an over-reaction. The few western games sold in China (officially, and not just pirated), usually need to heed superstitions from Chinese numerology. Some things get kind of weird. Like you can't have a game with specific types of animals, for fear that it will inspire kids to go seek out those animals in real life and disrupt natural populations. It's as if you show a frog in the game, kids will go frog-hunting in real life, and kill an endangered species, lol. Trust me, the kids who even notice the specific species of frog in the game aren't the kids who spend a lot of time outdoors. Globalization + Political correctness = weird censorship rules.
And it's exceptionally strange that Video Games are where a lot of this manifests, much more so than in other media (excluding perhaps film). Gamers generally believe "Everyone's an asshole, fuck 'em all", they don't care about any of this shit anyway. I've had 8-year-old kids tell me things like "Tell your mom to stick with one shade of lipstick, my dick is starting to look like a Sherwin-William's paint swatch" and "I hope you get colon cancer, then you'll know what it's like to deal with a rotten asshole too". There are toddlers who make Andrew Dice Clay look like a Mormon missionary. They don't give a fuck who is pissed off by what. In fact, the more offensive it is, the higher the sales.
Why offend some people when you can offend everybody. I love Postal for that very reason
Forgot how much I love this channel 😭
so a peace sign in the opposite direction is literally the opposite of a peace sign
It was interesting to see Prince Louis making the wiggle finger/nose gesture to his mother. My kids broke out in laughter, and as a teacher I've never seen it used by a child before. Also he is so young it was doubly hilarious. Also hilarious is how any parents could put a child through that misery, the expectation of sitting still and being attentive without ANY toys and perhaps a snack? (seriously do mums in Ireland do this to their children "dress uncomfortably and do without even a teddy bear and sit still"? I don't think so) US children often make use of creative language they learn from music their elder siblings listen to and excel in the public pout and attempting to faint via holding their breath.
Is that in itself based on the archaically offensive gesture of biting one's thumb? You know, in the first act of Romeo and Juliet, where the guys like, "I do not bite my thumb at thee, but I do bite my thumb!" or something similar.
This man’s animations are so funny 😂
I enjoy the statics.
As an Australian who has lived here my entire life, I have never ever seen anyone do this in my life
And an Englishman ✌️ up yours
Perhaps we are just fortunately surrounded by polite people
How old are you?
In Argentina the "V" is strongly associated to an important political party (Peronists or "Justicialismo"), so making it may well earn you positive or negative looks.
Seeing Vivian at the end made my day! Young Ones was the best!
I just love this channel! I've learned so much about stuff I never knew I wanted to learn about.. lol
Literally never heard of the gesture being offensive. I’m American and I’ve only ever used it as a general positive greeting or goodbye. The only name I’ve ever heard for it was the peace sign
Yeah it depends entirely on which way around your palm is, and most people naturally do palm outwards which is the peace/victory version.
Yeah, the V sign used to a bunch of drunken Millwall fans will definitely not result in peace!
I learned it in '85 here in the States watching The Young Ones on Mtv.
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I was always told the Archer myth as a kid about the middle finger because “it was too hard to shoot a bow without the middle finger”
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this is also the reason why Mario used to do the victory sign (✌️) all the time in the 80s and 90s, but hasn’t done it in the years since.
edit: well, he has done it a few sparse times in the last couple of years, like in Odyssey, but not as much as he did back then.
He still does it, I remember I from 3d land on the 3DS
personally i think it's because of a culture shift from the 80s and 90s to now
In Odyssey, Mario does Rock, Paper, or Scissors when collecting a moon. You can play rock, paper, scissors with mario basically.
In the 80s/90s, in parts of Los Angeles the "peace" hand sign (palm out) was a preferred gang sign for the area (can't remember which gang used it off top. To compensate for this parts of the community began to use palm inward facing peace signs.
2:40 medieval times imagery, one of its best works. 👌
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Watching Young Ones at the recommendation of an older English co-worker is where I first saw the "V".
Seeing Vivian featured at the ending brings me joy. Now where did I leave my howitzer?
I first heard of this from my Gr.12 math teacher who spent a short time in UK.
Spent time in a place called Hull. She got picked up in a bus and was shocked to see bars on windows and barbed wire fences. And she was to teach "E" level kids.
She told us they were the dumbest kids, bottom of the barrel while "A" level was the smartest.
She jokely said, "what is two plus two." Using her fingers. Class had a roar of a laugh
As someone who lives not far from Hull, yes that does sound like Hull. The accent is also terrible. Hull was named City of Culture from 2017 through 2020, to which the rest of the UK collectively WTFed
@ashleajon she also mentioned how they made fun of her Canadian accent and only time they listen was to put all their assignments at the end of the day in the bin.
Which was suppose to be this big plastic container.
No. They all lined up and threw it in the trash
The picture of the kid from "This is England" made me go back and rewatch that movie again. Love it!
If you don't think that the V is as offensive as the middle finger, you just need to wait until cyclists from Brighton introduce you to the full force of it. They'll have you rethinking your life choices.
damn right 🖕🏻🚴
dont walk in that cycle lane, its the most obvious one on the planet
I reckon my car will have the cyclists rethinking which lane they want to be a fucking hero in
@@bejoober I’m creasing up
If being capped at 2mph while staring at a man's sweaty gooch, with only a thin layer of spandex keeping me from a total descent into madness, doesn't make me rethink my life choices, mainly a deep regret for not taking up a career in vehicular manslaughter, the v sign won't do much else.
I'm french and i've been taught that if we do it, it'll mean we'd take your fingers, reminder of the good old days.
As an American I had no idea this was a thing.
of course not, americans know nothing about notamerica.
In certain parts of the world the ok sign is also offensive.
@@RustyorBrokenYes, as I found out in Turkey recently. I've been going there for years, and when asked if the food was good in a restaurant, I would do the OK sign. Last year, I found out it means "You are an arsehole" 🤣 👌
I knew about it because I watched a lot of "British" TV shows way back when.
What a riot. Something I did not know. As an American I'm fully aware of the "V" for victory sign and then being used as a Peace sign but never heard anything about it being offensive. Then again I've never seen it being used hand backwards like that. Really interesting stuff. Thank you for the info.
IMHO - you are at your best in these kind of humorous rants. Great post - thanks.
I'm from countryside Victoria Australia where we still use a lot of traditional Aussie lingo including cockney inspired riming slang and while I've seen plenty of people "give em the bird" "flip me off" or "give me the finger" I never seen the v thing until my friends and I saw the Ali G movie and even then my friends and I thought it was some silly non-offensive alternative that the poms might teach their kids kind of like saying shoot or fudge.
The closest I've seen is when some surfies make that backwards v in one hand and beat the opposite side of their chests either once or twice in a sign of respect or admiration but it could be different in other states or maybe I'm just out of touch.
Trust me NO kid in the UK would EVER say shoot or fudge instead of a swear word!!!! lol
@@hotmechanic222 can confirm, we don't use the V lightly and I have never censored myself to fudge or shoot, sounds more American to me.
Might be an age thing- I'm from suburban Melbourne (state capital of Vic, for non-Australian's bennefit), and grew up in the 80's, with my teens in the 90s. In the early/mid 80s, two fingers seemed like the standard, while the middle finger was the "exotic, new" thing we'd just learned from American movies. But by the 90s, the middle finger was the total norm, and two fingers was like an old-timey throwback, that you rarely saw.
Australia seemed to get A LOT more US-influenced, and felt a lot less like a "British colony", from between mid-70s to mid-late 80s IMO- Maybe because of more American shows on Aussie tv or something? Or just the country kind of "grew up", and started resenting stuff like the union jack on the flag, queen on the money, and as head of state, Aussie tv/movie actors started actually having broad, Australian accents, instead of wierd, snooty Brit/Australian accents. (Bicentenary in 1988, and the US fad for Crocadile Dundee, INXS, AC/DC, etc probably helped, too) And stuff like slang, swearing, spelling, pronunciation, etc got less English, and often picked up American influences. I guess hand-gestures were part of that shift.
So if you're not an old boomer like me, and grew up post-80s, I'm not surprised you didn't see much of the "two-finger salute". It dropped out of use, before your time, I'm guessing.
@@xander1052 American here, can confirm although, I don't do that silly shit it seems like a Midwestern housewife move to me . Actually, yeah my wife says this come to think of it.
It was only a little while ago that I learned what pom meant when I was playing a game and a British guy and an Australian guy were arguing and the Australian kept calling him that so aggressively, and being from the US hearing this for the first time made me laugh my ass off and weirdly I understood the meaning of the word without explanation or anything, I just figured he was shitting on him for being British lol
I was literally just looking up the origin of flicking the V's last night, and was surprised that, unlike the middle finger, we have -0 idea where it came from.
Then you make a video less than a day later talking about it.
Fascinating.
You want more on the two fingers? Among the working class the V sign is, was, commonly accompanied by the phrase "up yours". If you watch the 1901 clip carefully, you can read the guys lips as he says 'up your arsehole'" and then points to himself saying "I'm Joe" and all in a Geordie accent so it's probably footage at a Newcastle coal mine pay office. So Joe was rude to the camera, camera guy probably said something like "cheeky bastard, who do you think you are?", Joe replies with a grin "I'm Joe". There's always one
Since Qxir mentioned that "the bird" is a male genital sign I thought he would say the "V sign" would be the female, but I'm even more surprised now 🤣
I think the purpose of two fingers is like the middle finger, but two fingers implies that the recipient has two holes. In England the V would often be accompanied with "up yours". So if you do it to a guy, I suspect it's like saying he has a vagina lol cos one finger goes one way and the other goes the other, a bit like calling someone a bitch. As for the 1901 clip, Among the working class the V sign is, was, commonly accompanied by the phrase "up yours". If you watch the 1901 clip carefully, you can read the guys lips as he says 'up your arsehole'" and then points to himself saying "I'm Joe" and all in a Geordie accent so it's probably footage at a Newcastle coal mine pay office. So Joe was rude to the camera, camera guy probably said something like "cheeky bastard, who do you think you are?", Joe replies with a grin "I'm Joe". There's always one
Thanks for this. Cheers from 🇨🇦
Your art has somehow jumped in quality this episode, or maybe you just were having more fun drawing ✌️
I PRAY to God that the lad at 7:03 is a young Qxir!!!! Please'o'please let it be so!!!
Great video!
1:28 the reason for this change is just that Poland had a very well established and amazingly a e s t h e t i c poster culture. The American one just wouldn't pass as it would seem like some b-movie shite to people who were used to seeing posters designed by truly great artists.
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And im glad that we have this culture in Poland
5:02: That Crecy comic is a great read!
"Why is this offensive?"
"Well we dont know"
"Okay so why are you offended?"
"Because its offensive"
Yeah, this is kinda how the UK works. Don't assume there's a good reason at the end of it.
Quite literally a Monkey Ladder Experiment moment.
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this man is a legend 6:37
you're still one of the funniest youtube channels out there xD keep it up lad
many cultures have weird things that are/aren’t rude compared to others. One that immediately comes to mind is that burping is considered polite in some areas, slurping noodles can be considered polite in asia as it’s a sign you are enjoying the meal.
And while its still considered a swear word here in the UK, c*nt is not considered that bad, whereas in the US they think it’s the devil reincarnated. I went to the US briefly and while just chatting to my friends i used the C word and there were more than a few americans who reacted a bit extremely to it.
Tipping in restaurants in the US is also apparently an unspoken rule, whereas in the UK its generally a convience (for example, paying for a £47.99 meal with a £50 note and letting them keep the change because it’s easier than messing about with coins.
Yeah in the US you're expected to tip because the establishment doesn't pay the serving staff enough to live on, it's accepted nationally as being normal, its a strange country.
I traveled to Scotland years ago and tipping in a pub was an insult to the publican. I actually had one say to me "why are you tipping, do you think I don't get paid enough?" I learned my lesson that night!
I also learned that at restaurants only tourists tipped.
Best opening scene yet man, every vid you make is better and better. Love this sheite
When I was at school in England in the 80s it was known amongst schoolboys that the V-sign meant "piss-off." Often people would say those words while giving the gesture. I moved school from southern England to the Midlands and the meaning was the same in both locations. The middle finger meant F-off and was used much more sparingly. In the clip from1901, I believe the iron worker is saying something while giving the gesture. Anyone able to lip-read what he might be saying?
Looked to me like he was saying "Piss off!" too. If you notice there's a definite facial expression that often goes with the V sign and that is unmistakably vicious!
5 minutes and I'm here. Great video as usual!
As an Indigenous Canadian, the V sign is supposed to represent birds flying. So if passing by strangers throw up the V to tell 'em you're just flying by.
I’m South African. This sign is still considered offensive but only for the older generation who mainly lived under British rule as South Africa was a part of the British empire until 1961. I remember when I was a child I asked my dad who grew up in the 1950s if I could have two ice creams while making this sign and I remember he got really pissed at me.
I remember seeing this a lot in red dwarf with several different characters doing this behind others back. I thought it was equal to the American middle finger and found it hilarious and I guess it is.
Especially Rimmer 😂
Even the Scutters do it 😂
Like everything British, and included in your outro video, I learned about the English V-sign from watching Vivian do it on _The Young Ones_ on MTV in the mid-eighties..
It’s funny to think how angry that man got getting filmed. Now here we are and we are able to see his personality a century over! I bet he wouldn’t be so mad knowing he’s immortalized in history.
Not bad quality too
For your Last Moments, you should look into the likelihood the Challenger astronauts survived the explosion and were alive in the command module as it plummeted to the ocean.
In the US I remember learning from my friends why the middle finger was offensive. They were like, it's the bad word finger. That is the only explanation I ever got. I was confused. I flip off all my friends regularly to this day as a sign that I care enough to offend them. They laugh. It's a good thing.
Looking good and healthy dude! Happy to see
I had a friend to went to England and accidentally did this sign when a waitress asked him how many sugars he wanted in his coffee. XD
@Lord Simpleton Nah, he was just politely informed on what it means.
Imagine being a British commoner after WW2, and Winston Churchill himself flips you off.
I don't think he was flipping off the public in the photos. I'm pretty sure the gesture was one of defiance aimed at the Germans.
I've never bought the story that he didn't know what the symbol meant. I think he just feigned surprise and ignorance when he got the Karens on his back over it.
The guy had fought in the trenches of WWI, been a prisoner in South Africa and a war correspondent on three continents. There's no way he was really _that_ ignorant of the habits and gestures of commoners!
It's odd to me that North America is never referred to a penal colony as it very much was as such. Many people were sentenced to "transportation" to the North America.
Because North America had many different colonies some penal some religious and other for commerce so reducing to just one type is a misrepresented of them.
North America received approximately 50,000 convicts from Britain, whereas Australia received 160,000. Also, there were only a couple American colonies chartered as penal colonies, and they weren't terribly influential. The colonial American identity was built more by industrialists and religious ideologues. Meanwhile, the first settlers in Australia were convicts, which really set the tone for their reputation. I think it's also important that the British American colonies managed to conquer and incorporate other colonies from the French, Spanish, and Dutch, as well as being home to Hessian mercenaries, while Australia remained almost exclusively a British penal colony.
If you're referring to specific parts of America, though, Georgia apparently did have a strong reputation as a penal colony.
@@jerkjerkington3874 super informative!
I might say that exile is exile regardless of cause (religious, ideological, or penal).
I think it's odd that its framed a "different" ... Maybe not a cat-of-nine-tails whip ... But iron bars do not a prison make. American colonies were barbaric in a positive light.
Loved this one, Qxir! Never knew this was a medieval thing. Thank you!
Weirdly enough being Canadian, I had never heard of this, in fact, in Canada that hand gesture is viewed as a "peace" sign, used as if to gesture hello or goodbye.
Just wanted to mention your drawings have become really good!
The "we all use it but don't know why" aspect reminds me about a story of 5 monkeys. They were held in an enclosure with a ladder leading to some bananas. Whenever a monkey attempted to get the bananas, they were ALL hosed down. Eventually they knew to stop trying to get the bananas and would attack another if they tried. One monkey was swapped out and the first thing the monkey did was try to get the bananas. The others beat him down until he stopped trying. Another was rotated and the same thing happened, with the second newest monkey joining in the beating. This continued until the last was replaced. He went for the bananas and was beaten by four monkeys who had never been hosed down.
I'm from China, and we use the backwards "V" gesture to mean "you're an idiot." It's a reference to the number "250," often abbreviated as just "2," which is slang for stupidity. Don't ask me why "250" or "2" means "stupid" because I don't know.
Yeah, you’re a good content guy. I hope your channel blows up… ✌🏻
Goodday all
I use it all the time here in the Midwest. I even do the whole flicking back and forth movement while doing it. Many people do seem to get that I’m not pleased with them even if they don’t fully understand the meaning
I used to live in England (military family) I did this in a Class (like 3rd grade) and was told it had to do with the archers getting their fingers cut off if they were captured
That's what I learnt too. I live in Middleton which was famous for its archers and again, when captured they'd take the bow fingers off. I like our version.
I love the look that the older guy gives the guy who threw the V sign at 5:45
As a french we kinda all see the V as the peace and love sign
As an Englishman living and working in France for the last 33 years I love telling my French friends the origins of this sign. You know, Crécy, Azincourt etc. Hihihi 😂. Sorry just another Rosbif being provocative… (though since bloody Brexit, I now have dual nationality which means I get the best of both worlds)
@@robinforrest7680 I hope you have a "good" time here, i always enjoy being english folks
You guys definitly are happier than most us lmao
My boy Qxir is on a roll with the vids
I stopped caring what the british think back in 1776.
Wow you're very old
I dont mind the banter between our 2 countries, but....For the love of all that is holy! come up with some new shit.
Also, you sure cared during 1812 when we burnt your presidents home whilst he fled like a bitch 🤣
You're that old🤣
Hells yeah QIXR uploaded.
Sweet I got off early and got me some videos to chill to.
I always thought it was supposed to be a vagina of some sort and it does seem quite likely - it looks like one (think about it a bit) and people call others 'pussy' so it 100% could be one.
Edit: Yeah, you mention the licking. It could still be one as everyone know what the licking means and it could just be that without the licking.
I always thought it was legs and a crotch.
Making the symbol with your tongue at least where Im from isnt so much insulting as it is just straight lewd. Like I was once a young punk chick. Some preppy chicks flashed me their boobs in a car at me and my friends at a stop light. I dont know what reaction they expected, but I flashed them the "v and tongue" back and they freaked the fuck out and drove away quickly. Me and my friends thought it was funny as hell.
2:41 I love that that acid induced vision is your representation for the Medieval Age.
As an American, this was actually the origin story I always heard for the middle finger. Now I can correct myself and use the V for the french.
Doesn't matter what I'm watching, Qxir notification pops up and I immediately switch lol
Best seven minutes of my day, Qxir. A legendary tale indeed
Solid piece, dude. Thaks. keep 'em coming.
Absolutely amazing stuff
Fun fact: in Argentina the V-sign is associated with politics. It is used to represent peronism because it was commonly used by Juan Domingo Peron