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Retro Electric Car | Enfield E8000 | The Future of the Electric Cars | Drive in | 1977
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2018
- 'Drive in' presenter Shaw Taylor looks at the future of electric cars and what makes them a suitable alternative to the polluting petrol driven car.
First shown: 30/03/1977
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Beat most things from 0 to 5mph. Oh my god, that absolutely blew me away! ..You know the future has arrived when your car can beat anything to 5 mph!
On a serious note, I quite like this little car. I would drive it everyday. It's great for nipping round a city. I think it's quite cute!
I can beat all cars on my pushbike off the lights to 5mph!
I think my own self could beat most things to 5mph off the line 😂
Our company used to service a fleet of these back in the seventies...i remember my first test drive in one - very quiet but slow and the constant sound of those clicking "Albright" contactors. Old technology (even for then) resistor switching control.
Albrights or similar still used as isolators in the model 3 battery pack. utterly reliable so why not , I can even hear the clicks in my ENV van.....
There's absolutely zero chance of any car manufacturer - present or future, making any vehicles in the 21st century which run on batteries. It's impossible.
What next? Cars that do 0 - 60 in less than 5 secs? TVs that are flat and hang on the wall? Pah - Another pie in the sky video.
*Flat screen LED TVs have rendered the old curved tube types OBSOLETE... but EVs still remain a tiny niche market segment... less than 1% market share.*
Get off my lawn! :o)
Oddly enough, the cell phone came out in 1974 and the home computer in 1976... The first designs for flat panel TVs were in the early 90's--believe it! I'm feeling robbed because in 2016 there were supposed to be flying cars and floating skateboards...curse you Back to the Future!
*I hear that some day people will be able to get into their internal combustion car and start it with just a push of a button... no hank-cranking required!*
*Electric cars were invented over a **_130 YEARS AGO_** and reached their peak of popularity in 1915... that same year Charles Kettering invented the electric starter for internal combustion cars and the EV Industry all but died out completely with in just a few years.*
In 1969 I worked at a Fleet Street Press agency as a junior photographer and my boss and I were instructed to follow a Royal Enfield prototype around central London and take pictures of it in iconic locations. The session went well and I remember speaking of how this was the future any minute.... I guess the big car companies got their way shortly after but we chased this little car all round Hyde Park corner in our Austin Cambridge and the little Enfield had the better of us at every turn.... Great fun , now some fella called Elon has the old guard on the run... Go Elon!
I like these classic videos
We used to call them as kids 'spasmobiles', but it was Clive Sinclair who put electric vehicles back 30 years. There are loads of electric cars here in Rome, scooters as well. No stopping them now.
Philip Curnow - Hardly any of these made it to the public roads. I think you’re confusing it with the Thundersley Invacar.
Atheist Orphan I mean as a reference to the concept of electric cars. The Sinclair C5 was a PR disaster.
It also wasn't really a car, it was an electric tricycle. So in that way it was quite forward thinking. Setting it loose on the public in 1980's london was less of a good idea.
I see more and more electric bicycles about filling the role the C5 had, one of many cases of concept thwarted by execution.
RoobehTunes agree, We should also get into a mindset of electric mobility in general. Car ownership dominates our concept of movement with all its consequences on how our towns, cities etc are planned and built.
Philip Curnow - the Invacar was known as the spasmobile long before the C5 came along. On reflection a shitty name for something that did a lot of good
The Thames theme is iconic.
Here in the US the only time we'd ever hear it is when we were watching Benny Hill!
Takes me back to my infancy!
Enfield Automotive rules.
OMG it's adorable!!!
AMAZING E-CAR MADE IN GREECE AND THE ISLAND OF SYROS.
70s Brits were so cute and quaint.
Now we're just retarted and quaint.
Now there aren't any more brits
and we still are
Brilliant Chanel more of the same please, TH-cam is the reason I don't watch TV anymore because of channels like this😀😀😀😀
Keep ‘em peeled!
I've seen an Enfield electric car in Adelaide, South Australia - just a couple of years ago, still registered and driven regularly as far as I know. There's something quite appealing about the styling, evocative of another era even in the '70s - reminds me of a '50s micro-car.
*I imagine that is because Australia has on average one of oldest vehicle fleets on the road... and now that Australia no longer has any automobile manufacturers this situation will likely continue.*
Enfield 8000 cars were built from scratch, in Greece, Syros island, '73. It was "killed" because of its high price and the Greek bureaucracy. You are welcome and we are sorry at the same time...
That looks like a standard electric meter embedded in the dashboard.
mine has a lorry tachometer in her dash .....she was owned by the dept of transport....
I have chassis number 2 , and shes lovely...gonna restore her in the spring of 2019
Wow!! have you done her up by now?
The front of it reminds me of a Vauxhall Chevette.
Which would be AVERAGE for '70s car design, not outrageous, but tasteful enough for the era (compared to some "cheese wedge EV's" from that era...)
I thought exactly that.
Googling it I've noticed it was an even closer fit (more like a 50-60% shrinking of that Spanish Fiat / SEAT), but that was AFTER this video was produced, so it was the opposite (the 133 being an enlarged Enfield w/an ICE).
For gods sake Shaw let the man speak it’s not “Police 5”
Cute little road hugging toy that was! Even for the 70s.
Tax last due 2011
WOW! At least "that little critter" was there to see some of the 21st Century...
Out of curiosity, I also checked the blue one and that was last taxed in 1988. Ah well! Here's hoping its still intact and in storage somewhere!
I think I've seen one of these a while ago at one of the museum's nearby me so that could be the same one
Hopefully it's off the road for restoration but someone forgot to sorn it.
It’s better looking than the Prius !!!
Made in Greece 🇬🇷
Actually made in the old Royal Enfield gun factory in Enfield north London. and the staff all had lunch at the Rifles pub next door... Easy days.
@@Thewhatsthatband en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfield_8000
If you look throughout history. People have always been making EV's. In fact, the first commercially available cars were electric. The only thing that has held them back is energy density and charging rate (As well as lack of electric infrastructure in the early days).
*Indeed, EVs have been around for more than 130 years and it is the exact same fatal flaw that prevents EVs from ever expanding beyond small, limited, niche market applications where they currently occupy.*
They couldn't have imagined when filming this that it would take another 50 years before this tech would become commercially viable.
*Its still not commercially viable!*
It's not been 50 years yet.
*Electric vehicles have been manufactured for over 100 years...*
I learned a lot thank you
It's took so very long for us to get where we are today, but Shaw Taylor was right, come the 21st Century, we would be going electric.
The third decade of 21st century to be honest.
This car from SYROS island made in GREECE 1973-76 !!!!!!
Wow, visionary indeed!
There's a scruffy orange one parked on Balden Rd. in Harborne, Birmingham. Hasn't moved in years. You can view it on Google Street view!
Brilliant. Just looked. Grass growing on the tarmac beneath it!
I got to 0:24 into this video and his facial expression shows very little enthusiasm to being interviewed on the show!
Can someone in the UK check the status of the cars in this video? Would be interesting to know how long they were used for.
The Enfield was last taxed in 2011 was repainted blue at some point.
www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax
Looks like the blue jeep looking thing shown at the start of the clip, bit the dust back in 1988. 😔
probably upgraded with Lithium batteries by now and faster than a Tesla 3!!
1.35 Sodium Sulphur battery being developed?
Gimme! It’s wicked!
We’ve come a long way in 41 years. I’ve owned a Prius, then Prius plugin, now 2 Teslas. Electric is the future without a doubt now.
*Electric cars have been around for over 130 years and yet internal combustion cars are still under no threat of being replaced by them.*
Appalling electric car technology in this time period. Development on Lithium batteries existed in 1957 but never developed far enough even throughout the oil crisis up until now. Where its now the same Lithium battery technology is at its limits and we're slowly moving to Solid-state, or Aluminium and Magnesium ion batteries.
*Rechargeable batteries are appalling and horribly inefficient technology... there will never be a rechargeable battery good enough or practical enough to replace liquid fuels in the automobile industry.*
@@doktorbimmer The Cybertruck has a 500 mile range. The new Roadster has a 600 mile range. "But the cost!" you will say. Yes, it's expensive. But it proves that battery technology is already up to the task, it just needs to come down in price, which it's doing very rapidly.
@@Hamdad The problem with Cybertruck is that it's just like the Tesla Roadster... it a hoax.
Anyone knowledgeable on the topic of rechargeable batteries can tell you that Elon Musk is a liar.
he was talking also about ''Sodium Suphur battery'' being developed at 1:35
There is one of these with 800hp. check out Jonny Smith's Flux Capacitor
*_Yeah, But what is the Range???_*
@@doktorbimmer Actually the real benefit of the sport electric vechicles is the fact that they consume only slightly more energy in city traffic compared to the regular version (because electric motor then is just a bit heavier, but still it can spin just slower and not consume anything on idle). While in case of gasoline sport vechicles, like 5 liter mustang, they can't be daily drivers, because fuel consumption (compared, for example, to the regular ecoboost version) in the city is horrible.
+Tom Wheeler *This is not really true, because internal combustion hybrid vehicles offer the same benefits in traffic conditions but are completely unencumbered by the serious problems with limited range and recharging that make BEVs unable to compete on the market.*
@@doktorbimmer Not sure on range, but it goes really quickly :D
*A garden shed goes really quickly too if you push it off a cliff... **_but its range is limited by the height you dropped it from._*
I like the ashtray in the 1970's electric car
Wow! How prophetic...
Prophetic? More like pathetic...
he was correct! many people switching to electric car in 21st century as he said..
shows how wrong predictions can be, we now only have 4 coal fired power stations, at that"s planned to be 0 in 3 years time
I'm all for electric cars: not only for progress of technology and the (debatable) reduction in overall emissions. However, nobody talks about the strain on the power grid and increase in electric costs (which use some sort of fossil fuel or nuclear) once everybody in your neighborhood starts charging one or two electric cars per night on a daily basis. Once electric cars become available in a range of price points, much like today's gasoline cars, I feel like we are going to have an entire new problem to deal with.
Aviation Direction I live on an off grid island in New Zealand powered mainly with solar and there are a number of electric cars here it doesn’t cost a lot to install solar panels especially if you are on grid and don’t have to buy batteries simple solution really, solar panels are getting better and better and produce power even on cloudy days
I agree with you that electric is not some kind of wunder solution. But, i think that point worth keeping in mind is that a internal combustion engine can never be a sustainable solution, whereas electric might at some point be sustainable with more green energy(Wind and solar) and recycling of batteries.
And considering the existing infrastructure for recycling cars the impact of raw material extraction might at some point begin to decrease.
@@kiwimum13 It may work well for an off-grid situation. Say, however, if all of NYC starts using Teslas for their taxis, the load on the power grid will be enormous. Unless it's engineered ahead of time, the power grids will just overload and you'll have outages everywhere, thus defeating the purpose of having an electric car network to begin with.
Due to the relatively low number of electric cars now, we don't really see a difference yet. Think of it as when everybody turns on their air conditioning during the summer and there is the occasional power outage. Now consider the same situation, but year-round, with electric vehicles. Just saying if the public really wants this, it must plan for it.
Check out Robert Llewellyn's Fully Charged channel on here. All the answers and more about BEVs, renewables and alternative energy.
In short, though, the Nat Grid have already stated they can handle the increase in BEV charging and smart charging plus V2G (Vehicle To Grid) technology will help even out the spikes and variances the grid has to deal with daily.
I'll have to check it out, though I don't see how the grids (at least in some places) will be able to handle such a demand of charging electric vehicles. They can barely keep up with A/C units during the summer -- and that's a seasonal problem, not year-long. We'll have to see.
Why 480p? It's film so it can easily be at 4k
This looks like a tape recording to me!
you cant encode what was never there,
The car from Greece
It would be really interesting to know how and where the project started because as is rightly said many were built in Greece in the 70's but I know for a fact that the prototype was driven around London in 69... Who actually designed it? And what did he /she have to say about the eventual fate of the car?
At syros island 🏝️
Wow I can't believe this was 41 years ago, what's worse is people are saying the same junk about EVs today (range etc). Imagine if we'd have gone all in back then where we'd be.
_"Imagine if we'd have gone all in back then where we'd be."_ *Exactly where we are today... because rechargeable batteries are the fatal flaw in electric vehicle technology that will never match the energy density performance of liquid or gaseous fueled vehicles.*
With an updated motor and larger (lithium ion) battery pack, this car would be just the ticket! Kind of cute, in a Fiat 500/Mini Cooper sort of way.
*With some updated turf tires and some golf bag racks you would have a nice golf cart in a "its so ugly its cute" sort of way.*
A Greek Car!!
saw an article about one of these that someone had souped it up and its like faster than a Ferrari or something
*Yeah, but it has only 1 mile range.*
If we only had these cars in usa would be very fun and economical
*But EVs are less fun because of the range and recharging flaws... and EVs are much **_Less_** economical too!_*
@@doktorbimmer Evs with 200 mile range are good
@@doktorbimmer I dont want a ev i want a gas one like this one
*Not for some drivers, depending on the region 200 mile range is still unacceptable and well below industry standards... especially considering how long it takes to recharge again.*
*Indeed, EVs are still a tiny niche market... less than 1% of all vehicles, most car buyers still opt for the superior performance and value for money the ICE car offers, it continues to dominate the industry.*
I dont think elec cars have progressed as much as they should have since then as manufacturers haven’t took it serious for years. They are only starting to realise now that elec will prob be the future of cars.
*Its very doubtful that EVs will ever be the future... since 1915 they continue to remain a tiny niche market segment.*
What else? a lot of markets are banning ICE 2030
Li-Ion batteries were what is needed. And they weren't invented for EVs.
*I haven't seen any such claims signed into law yet... just a lot of political rhetoric.*
*Li-on batteries have terrible energy density...a Tesla model S 100 battery only stores the equivalent of 8 gallons of hydrocarbon fuel (56lbs) but weighs a staggering 1,444 lbs even when its fully discharged!!!*
Cool car :)
Considering the quality of '70s British electrical engineering, I'm surprised these didn't break down during filming.
I am surprised it didn't burst into flames while filming.
*Like the Tesla cars burst into flames??? theyre not even british either.*
Whats the blue car at 0:11?
You can lead a horse to water but a battery must be lead
Johnny Smith drag races one of these doesn’t he?
*Yeah, but it arrives to the track on a trailer because it does not have enough range...*
This was in 1977. And even today, the "prototype" never gets built.
The Evil will never let electric cars be mass produced until it is allowed to have its way.
Electric vehicles suck so people don't buy them.
Many electric cars are being built in china now
First electric car from greece year 1970
Big oil successfully killed off electric cars until just recently. All these years the public missed out on low emission low cost to operate electric cars.
*Electric cars were killed off by Charles Kettering in 1915... when he invented the electric starter for internal combustion cars... since then EVs have remained nothing but a small niche market product.*
Just a thought... if everyone has electric cars... then we have a storm which downs powerlines for a few days... how much money does the economy lose from us not being able to get to work because our cars batteries are flat?
*Good question, the answer is this will not happen because it is not actually possible for everyone to switch to electric cars... if everyone plugged in an electric car to the grid system would crash, there are no power grids that can handle the increased loads.*
I love cars from the 1970's ford Capri , triumph dolomite etc but I don't think this vehicle would be of benefit to me . I would like to take my new vauxhall insignia back to 1977 to see what people would think of cars from the future .
Someone would try to nick it, within the first 30 minutes.
Seems good foresight into the future but unfortunately for the British automotive industry it appears they 'missed the boat' (to the Asians like China, Korea, Japan
as well as other European countries & USA) in developing the EV technologies further to the current state of maturity ?
*EVs are only a tiny niche market segment in the automotive market and some countries cannot afford the $10,000 dollar subsidies per vehicle that are needed to make them affordable to buy.*
Wasnt enfield a weapons manufacturer ?
Zli Kurac yes but this is Royal Enfield.
As in motorcycles (I believe they still build them, as there's a dealer of them I pass with some frequency)...
range range range, thats still the talk now
You can beat most things off the mark to 5mph..........rapid!
Actually, afforable LONG RANGE electric cars priced similar to gasoline ECONOMY cars have already been released. No, it's not the hyped $35,000 220-mile Tesla Model 3, which is STILL unavailable, but the $29,500 124-mile Hyundai Ioniq Electric since late 2016 (2017 model year) and the $29,900 151-mile Nissan Leaf since late 2017 (2018 model year), both of which can fully fast charge in 1 hour.
The non-negotiable $35,000 still costs $27,500 which makes the Tesla Model 3's price on par with that of a loaded midsize Toyota Camry or a Honda Accord, which doesn't meet the lowest price point. On the other hand, the $29,500 and $29,900 MSRPs are both negotiable, which mean that they are both probably $27,500 after negotiation, and when combined with the $7,500 United States federal electric vehicle tax incentive, they each cost only $20,000, making them the same as the MSRP of that of a slightly optioned economy Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla.
*124 mile range is terrible... why would anyone pay the same price for a vehicle with LESS performance???*
*How long can manufacturers afford to offer cars like these that sell at a net loss and lose money for the company... these cars only exist because of massive taxpayer subsides and corporate tax write-offs... Its not a sustainable business plan... its just comply with state mandates which may be repealed.*
*Plug-in EVs are not the only Zero Emission option, Cars like the Honda Clarity, Toyota Mirai and the Hyundai Nexo all offer better range performance and can be refueled in minutes.*
i've got one for sale if any victims fancy it its the much rarer 4 seater version i think only 4 ever made ? you tell me .
*There will always be some sucker that will be convinced its worth buying... well, it might make a good golf cart aye?*
Ah yes, the joy of the Enfield 8000 (The so-called "Enfield Thunderbolt"). And they said electric cars would never make an impact !!
*They still haven't... less than 1% of all the cars in the world are electric... don't expect these figure to change much either.*
This is correct, so far. But with the rising number of sales of Tesla cars, plus the likes of Hyundai, Jaguar, VW , Audi, Nissan, Renault and Mercedes all releasing new electric cars, the level of "impact" is growing.
Mark my words, the days of the Internal Combustion Engine vehicle are numbered.
*Someone like you said that 100 years ago... they were just as wrong then as you are today...*
*Toyota sells more Camry models in one month than Tesla produces in an entire YEAR... and as the only major company committed to producing only electric vehicles... its yet to make a profit from selling cars.*
From little acorns do great oak trees grow !!
Cities around the world are charging Internal Combustion Engined vehicles to enter the respective cities. (EG London, Paris . Madrid etc...)
Issues of range are being gradually overcome by cars such as the new 64 KW/H Hyundai Kona. Equally the number of electric car charging points is growing rapidly.
Furthermore recent disruption in oil markets (see this link from 2016)
th-cam.com/video/jwHN6QQWv2g/w-d-xo.html
are starting to change the nature of the world economy.
The switch to electric cars will not happen tomorrow. But it is much closer than you think.
I heard the inventor of this smoked pot once and everyone lost their stupid minds over it and that's why it never became popular.
*You have to be high as Fuq to believe EVs are the future... someday he will wake up to reality... broke, or in jail!*
Mmmh, apart from the styling (it's "cute"...) compared to today not a great deal of progress on range front!!
And cue the replies...
Tell that to a tesla owner, I think they will disagree with you
Even on the 200-300 miles of "juice" per charge Teslas and some other EV's get OVER 40 YEARS LATER getting "at least 300 miles of juice" per charge (from lead-acid to lithium ion) and a faster (preferably less than 10 minutes for 80% charge) and more available charge are still DEALBREAKERS into the mass adoption of EV's.
We still need a lithium replacement to "get over those humps"....
*Indeed... chemical storage batteries are a fatal flaw in the whole EV concept... they can never achieve energy density that can match liquid hydrocarbon fuels, which offer vastly superior range and refueling rates.*
But the new Tesla Roadster has a 620 mile range. That's more than many gas cars.
*_What new Tesla Roadster???_** No such car has actually been produced and there are no independent third party test results to prove Elon Musk's dubious claims regarding the range and other performance specs... of course the thing to remember is this is not the first time Musk has lied about one of Tesla's products range performance.*
Rip David Potter when it hit a feather in the car park
*Sodium-Sulfur batteries??? Another false promise of better battery performance in the future...*
But we do have better batteries now. Sodium sulfur batteries do exist, and were used for a while, they were not a false promise at all. And now we have lithium ion, which realizes the big jump in energy density over lead acid that he promised.
*The energy density performance of Li-ion batteries is horrible. Do you realize that the best BEV range available is a Tesla S 100... and that its massive 1,440 lbs of Li-ion batteries only stores the same energy of 8 gallons of hydrocarbon fuel that weighs just 56 lbs!*
@@Zamboro he's got you on the energy to weight.
However the 1440lbs of chemicals, ion bridges and Cat/Anode can be renewed with a charge, so the life energy is the number of cycles available divided by two (good healthy battery kinetic energy = 1/2 potential usually 30%-80% charge). So if you figure all those miles and then reverse them into a 50mpg (imp) and add the weight of the lifetime gallons, you'll have the lifetime energy density.
>"he's got you on the energy to weight."
No he doesn't, because electric motors are over 90% efficient whereas gas engines average between 15% (gasoline) and 25% (diesel).
That is a tremendous difference, which accounts for why electric cars get the equivalent of 90-100mpg or so (where 1 gallon of gasoline equals 33kwh).
This is how electric cars can pollute less even when charging from a grid which is still partly fossil fueled: They simply consume less energy per mile driven by a wide margin, which incurs less pollution.
>"Do you realize that the best BEV range available is a Tesla S 100... and that its massive 1,440 lbs of Li-ion batteries only stores the same energy of 8 gallons of hydrocarbon fuel that weighs just 56 lbs!"
Yes, but so what? If it does the job, it does the job. And there's room for even more batteries, as the new roadster demonstrates. Cost is the only reason the Model S doesn't go even further on a charge, and the cost is rapidly falling.
No quite a Model S, is it?
It looks better than the leaf but still shit
2-300 years of coal, more like 4 mate, then thatcher closed it
Let's ignore Labour shut more pits than Tories
Lets ignore that Labour brought back things like bonus payments to miners in the late 70s to help with the world recession and 200,000 miners lost their job under Thatcher
Good. Fuck coal.
Sure beat Mr Beans car!
The presenter of the show was a bit dismissive of the range and technology. Shame 30 odd years has passed and we are only slowly catching on year by year
*Electric cars are still a bit of a joke...*
0-30 in 12 sec
still beats walking
0-12 in 30 seconds
Electric Cars. I do genuinely believe that they could save the planet. But the place where vital minerals for the batteries is extracted, the Congo, is full of people mining this stuff, without any safety equipment, getting ill, and dust from the mining is everywhere. As usual, by Western standards these workers are very poorly paid and die a lot younger than they should. The whole process wants tightly regulating, and the workers need to unionise to ensure they get a fair deal. But as usual, car manufacturers are obliged to shareholders first and foremost and nothing must be allowed to get in the way of their dividends. So countries will continue to be unfairly exploited. And with energy prices going through the roof is that people won’t be able to afford to charge the batteries, thus slowing down production of electric cars. The 2030 date of zero carbon is looking like getting shelved. It just takes corporations to have a bit less power, and to prioritise people and the planet instead of profit margins.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfield_8000