I’d say the difference between hyperfocus and flow is the level of drive. Flow feels good and flowy but hyperfocus is this insane manic drive to plow through something that simply cannot be stopped. It’s almost a state of perfect hyper awareness of that one specific task combined with manic energy and task drive. It’s really special. But within the scope of a life affected by adhd, it’s a minor minor perk unless the stars align for it very often somehow - desirable reward and clear steps to reward
i have hyper focus symptoms with diagnosed adhd. i don’t view it as a benefit. while it’s helped me dive deeply into some subjects ive wanted to specialize in, ive found that it can compound into obsessions where i can’t use my executive function to stop until im entirely exhausted. and it causes me to miss other time based tasks i need to get done during the day. so it’s a double edged sword and needs to be managed. i usually get it when im making music, coding, or some other thing that interests me
Thank you for making all these lessons available. For the time to reach and teach. For explaining things so well, bridging the gap between clinical and day to day life to things make so much more sense. For this entire catalogue you've made of nurture and education. It means a lot. Really appreciate you and your work, how you've gifted so much to so many.
im a physicist and work in the lab triggers this hyperfocus, i like remembering everything and linking what i know to solve the problems, i learn and learn about it and experiment and the puzzle is put together, this can be put to use for months and years on end. I did the same with training i used to forget myself completely in training, i forget myself and focus so much that i overtrained 4 times in one year, i ended up learning my limits and do more as i get stronger and staying on the limit closer to overtaining but not exceeding the limit
I have found that hyperfocus can be a person .. every person I have been in a relationship with I have “fallen in love” with pretty much straight away and the intense fixation has been ridiculous .. it wears off after 6 -12 months then I’m left wondering how to get out of it .. 2 failed marriages , a severely abusive relationship ( I was the person who was abused).. it’s been horrendous.
95% of my hyperfocus is not a benefit. Its hugely detrimental. However, the other 5% is so impressive that I think is the reason why some ppl believes that it is a benefit. For example, when I was in school/university, I could solve economics/mathematical questions nobody else in my level could solve while being one of the worst students there. I was only able to do that because of the huge social reward as those were competitions. Hypefocus kicked in and I found the answer. That is why it looks like a superpower. However, most of the rest of my life, hyperfocus is only in gaming. Its a huge waste of time and detrimental to my health. My personal non scientific bs explanation is that our brain lacks ''dopamine'' and we become hyperfocus on anything that can give us ALOT of ''dopamine''. Its like our brain is so deprive of it that we become obsess with it. Anyway, I did eventually made it into an advantage after decades of effort. Apparently, I have talent for and am able to hyperfocus on investments. It is now a constant source of income. I had been struggling for income for decades. My advice to other ADHD patients is that you MUST quit whatever you are currently obsessed with that does not benefit you and keep searching for something that you can hyperfocus on and that it has significant benefit for you.
Dopamine levels rise not as a result of receipt of a reward but instead in anticipation of an award. Investing is full of anticipation of receiving an award. I'm glad you have been able to go beyond that and figure out the market (and yourself) when most can't beat the market.
@@cdorman11 Thanks, I would like to add that, I do not recommend ppl with adhd look at investment as a long term career. The impulsively we suffer makes it very dangerous.
I have ADHD. And I don't even consider myself as having hyper focus. I randomly get interested in a topic and will research it a lot. And it will annoy me to get interrupted. But I don't think I do it anymore than any neurotypical person. I also get into and out of hobbies for months at a time. But I also see this is neurotypicals. Also, I almost always take in all stimuli, I don't tune it out. I don't even understand the concept of tuning something out.
Which executive function dysfunction is responsible for the careless mistakes that ADHD tends to make? There seems to be a general tendency to attribute them to low processing speed, but you have not mentioned much about processing speed. I am not sure I understand whether the high number of careless mistakes in office work and other tasks is highly related to slow processing speed or can be explained only by small capacity of working memory.
Impulsiveness is one of the ADHD symptoms that are not directly related to executive dysfunction. It is more related to a disorder in regulating emotions. It is explained in more detail in professor’s other lectures.
@@villentretenmerth11 I see, so careless mistakes increases due to impulsiveness, and it is not due to low processing speed or low working memory capacity. Thanks
I really don't see how impulsiveness would be related to careless mistakes, at least for me. I can write a text and read one million times and still miss something written wrong. I'm a teach and often I misspell a word while writing on the board, in this case I think it has something to do with the fact that a lot is going on, people are talking, I'm thinking what to say next, and so on.
@@fraufuchs9555 I may have misunderstood what the original poster meant by "careless'. I assumed that it is a sort of a mistake that cannot be explained by executive dysfunction making one's attention flit between topics in uncertainty. "Careless" could be understood as absent-minded, in which case the desire for stimulation making one distracted could be at fault. I understood it as a mistake that could have been avoided, had reason been applied, where impulsivity would fit the explanation best. Please note that I am not educated in psychology, merely taking an interest in the disorder I've been diagnosed with. English is not my native language. cheers.
Hyperfocus would be such a benefit. If one could control it. It can be a benefit if the focus kicks in with something I actually have to do. It's not a benefit if I just have to research the emergence of the christian/abrahamic god for 10 hours straight, have to infudump everyone I know and forget the existence of my bodily need.
Luckily I can use hyperfocus in my work. The other symptoms do balance that benefit out again. Im at home because I burned out, unable to focus on anything, but I did hyperfocus on adhd literature and talks. I got diagnosed today, will have to wait a few weeks for the paperwork to be done so I can try meditation. Thanks dr Barcley for the amazing content, of all the books I keep 'taking charge of adult adhd' for future reference.
I am diagnosed ADHD and I constantly go into "hyperfocus". I'd say it's basically the only way I manage to do anything (constructive and not). I'm surprised it's not more studied cause I'd say it's deeply connected with the executive dysfunction that we ADHDer have
I at times focus so intently on something that I go without eating. Just because I feel this constant urge to keep doing what I am doing. Its really hard to switch gears, and I feel like I "need" to do one thing per day. Its weird
As previously stated there are differences between hyperfocus and flow. Hyperfocus is compulsive. When at work and given a task to perform, and intellectually knowing full well the cost of failing to complete it (at the very least socially), it is still impossible to stop what you are (hyper)focusing on and switch to what you should be doing. Spending more energy on what excuses to give than what it would have taken to actually do the task. In some ways it is similar to other aspects of ADHD such as the inability to pay bills: you have the means and it is only a simple little login to your bank and some - albeit boring - manual labor to set up the transaction, and yet you can't do it even when the cost of failing to is painfully obvious. With that said, hyperfocus feels wonderful, there are however similarities to stereotypical behaviors associated with central stimulant abuse (especially amphetamines) so it is possible that it is partially triggered or reinforced by ADHD medication. Anecdotally I do experience it more often while on medication than not. That double-edged sword: "can't do shit without medication, focuses on the wrong shit while on it." (English isn't my first language so do excuse my shortcomings)
I took a TOVA test while getting evaluated. My second score was 20pts higher while medicated than unmedicated. I could tell i wasnt as focused on the test while medicated as I am while hyperfocused on something. Would love to be able to see how high it goes while hyperfocused.
LOVE TO HYPERFOCUS ON SOME USELESS PERSONAL RABBIT HOLE! /sarcasm then i "come to" HOURS later when i finally break myself out of it. if i worked and my employer wanted me to use my "super-power" during my job i'd quit right there on the spot.
BTW thank you for mentioning hyperfixation on p*rn. WOW... yeah i'll admit to wasting an entire day looking for a picture or a video i remember enjoying years ago that i don't have anymore. scouring every search engine and torrent tracker with any keyword or remembered file name...
I hyper focus on dumb stuff hardly anyone else is interested and are completely useless in the real world. Example, I watched every second of every episode of The Facts of Life because I heard it was the longest running sitcom of the 80s and I wanted to know why. I joined and was very active in fb groups and researched the actors as well as followed them on social media. Now I couldn’t care less.
Id say hyperfocus is good for society short term and bad for long-term. Example would be me starting a business. Bad is strained relationship with wife and kids.
I am a huge Dr. Barkley fan for many years HOWEVER I want to remind everyone that he, by his own admission, is funded by big pharma, so we must keep in mind that he is not paid to find advantages of ADHD, quite the opposite. Notice in this vid he fails to mention the other disorder (syndrome actually ) that was the “inattentive type” that will be eliminated from ADHD in the next DSM. Hmmmmmm One has to wonder why he would use old studies not allowing for this new finding that a substantial amount of people diagnosed with ADHD, actually do not have ADHD or even a disorder but an entirely different syndrome. I look forward to the studies on ADHD AFTER the people who don’t have it are removed from the equation. In the meantime, keep this in mind when listening to Dr. Barkley’s opinion.
Oh come on… Dr. Barkley has been advocating taking SCT/CDS out of the ADHD diagnosis for almost 20 years and is lecturing about it all the time. These ad hominem accusations are getting boring. If he says something wrong, just point out what it is so one can discuss it.
@@uidentity He has a list of sources of income somewhere online or in some of his presentations which shows that he had engagements with pharmaceutical companies in the past. Some people seem to have an issue with that. For me, I can say that Dr. Barkley's lectures are the most accurate descriptions of what is going on in my family and the most helpful. Personally, I never felt that he was talking out of conflict of interest but everyone has to come to their own conclusions.
I’d say the difference between hyperfocus and flow is the level of drive. Flow feels good and flowy but hyperfocus is this insane manic drive to plow through something that simply cannot be stopped. It’s almost a state of perfect hyper awareness of that one specific task combined with manic energy and task drive. It’s really special. But within the scope of a life affected by adhd, it’s a minor minor perk unless the stars align for it very often somehow - desirable reward and clear steps to reward
This on point!
i have hyper focus symptoms with diagnosed adhd. i don’t view it as a benefit. while it’s helped me dive deeply into some subjects ive wanted to specialize in, ive found that it can compound into obsessions where i can’t use my executive function to stop until im entirely exhausted. and it causes me to miss other time based tasks i need to get done during the day. so it’s a double edged sword and needs to be managed. i usually get it when im making music, coding, or some other thing that interests me
Thank you for making all these lessons available. For the time to reach and teach. For explaining things so well, bridging the gap between clinical and day to day life to things make so much more sense. For this entire catalogue you've made of nurture and education. It means a lot. Really appreciate you and your work, how you've gifted so much to so many.
thank you! this is one of a key conflict i often have with people. I think perseverance also shows up in emotional dysregulation.
im a physicist and work in the lab triggers this hyperfocus, i like remembering everything and linking what i know to solve the problems, i learn and learn about it and experiment and the puzzle is put together, this can be put to use for months and years on end. I did the same with training i used to forget myself completely in training, i forget myself and focus so much that i overtrained 4 times in one year, i ended up learning my limits and do more as i get stronger and staying on the limit closer to overtaining but not exceeding the limit
I have found that hyperfocus can be a person .. every person I have been in a relationship with I have “fallen in love” with pretty much straight away and the intense fixation has been ridiculous .. it wears off after 6 -12 months then I’m left wondering how to get out of it .. 2 failed marriages , a severely abusive relationship ( I was the person who was abused).. it’s been horrendous.
95% of my hyperfocus is not a benefit. Its hugely detrimental. However, the other 5% is so impressive that I think is the reason why some ppl believes that it is a benefit. For example, when I was in school/university, I could solve economics/mathematical questions nobody else in my level could solve while being one of the worst students there. I was only able to do that because of the huge social reward as those were competitions. Hypefocus kicked in and I found the answer. That is why it looks like a superpower. However, most of the rest of my life, hyperfocus is only in gaming. Its a huge waste of time and detrimental to my health.
My personal non scientific bs explanation is that our brain lacks ''dopamine'' and we become hyperfocus on anything that can give us ALOT of ''dopamine''. Its like our brain is so deprive of it that we become obsess with it.
Anyway, I did eventually made it into an advantage after decades of effort. Apparently, I have talent for and am able to hyperfocus on investments. It is now a constant source of income. I had been struggling for income for decades. My advice to other ADHD patients is that you MUST quit whatever you are currently obsessed with that does not benefit you and keep searching for something that you can hyperfocus on and that it has significant benefit for you.
Dopamine levels rise not as a result of receipt of a reward but instead in anticipation of an award. Investing is full of anticipation of receiving an award. I'm glad you have been able to go beyond that and figure out the market (and yourself) when most can't beat the market.
@@cdorman11 Thanks, I would like to add that, I do not recommend ppl with adhd look at investment as a long term career. The impulsively we suffer makes it very dangerous.
I find when I am Hyperfocal it reduces the stress of ADHD, I enjoy it
I have ADHD. And I don't even consider myself as having hyper focus. I randomly get interested in a topic and will research it a lot. And it will annoy me to get interrupted. But I don't think I do it anymore than any neurotypical person. I also get into and out of hobbies for months at a time. But I also see this is neurotypicals. Also, I almost always take in all stimuli, I don't tune it out. I don't even understand the concept of tuning something out.
Thank you for all of the links to scientific literature.
Love these shorter clips.
He knows his audience! :)
😂😂😂
Which executive function dysfunction is responsible for the careless mistakes that ADHD tends to make?
There seems to be a general tendency to attribute them to low processing speed, but you have not mentioned much about processing speed.
I am not sure I understand whether the high number of careless mistakes in office work and other tasks is highly related to slow processing speed or can be explained only by small capacity of working memory.
Impulsiveness is one of the ADHD symptoms that are not directly related to executive dysfunction. It is more related to a disorder in regulating emotions. It is explained in more detail in professor’s other lectures.
@@villentretenmerth11 I see, so careless mistakes increases due to impulsiveness, and it is not due to low processing speed or low working memory capacity. Thanks
I really don't see how impulsiveness would be related to careless mistakes, at least for me. I can write a text and read one million times and still miss something written wrong. I'm a teach and often I misspell a word while writing on the board, in this case I think it has something to do with the fact that a lot is going on, people are talking, I'm thinking what to say next, and so on.
@@fraufuchs9555 I may have misunderstood what the original poster meant by "careless'. I assumed that it is a sort of a mistake that cannot be explained by executive dysfunction making one's attention flit between topics in uncertainty.
"Careless" could be understood as absent-minded, in which case the desire for stimulation making one distracted could be at fault.
I understood it as a mistake that could have been avoided, had reason been applied, where impulsivity would fit the explanation best.
Please note that I am not educated in psychology, merely taking an interest in the disorder I've been diagnosed with. English is not my native language. cheers.
Hyperfocus would be such a benefit. If one could control it.
It can be a benefit if the focus kicks in with something I actually have to do. It's not a benefit if I just have to research the emergence of the christian/abrahamic god for 10 hours straight, have to infudump everyone I know and forget the existence of my bodily need.
Luckily I can use hyperfocus in my work. The other symptoms do balance that benefit out again. Im at home because I burned out, unable to focus on anything, but I did hyperfocus on adhd literature and talks. I got diagnosed today, will have to wait a few weeks for the paperwork to be done so I can try meditation. Thanks dr Barcley for the amazing content, of all the books I keep 'taking charge of adult adhd' for future reference.
I am diagnosed ADHD and I constantly go into "hyperfocus". I'd say it's basically the only way I manage to do anything (constructive and not). I'm surprised it's not more studied cause I'd say it's deeply connected with the executive dysfunction that we ADHDer have
I at times focus so intently on something that I go without eating. Just because I feel this constant urge to keep doing what I am doing. Its really hard to switch gears, and I feel like I "need" to do one thing per day. Its weird
As previously stated there are differences between hyperfocus and flow. Hyperfocus is compulsive. When at work and given a task to perform, and intellectually knowing full well the cost of failing to complete it (at the very least socially), it is still impossible to stop what you are (hyper)focusing on and switch to what you should be doing. Spending more energy on what excuses to give than what it would have taken to actually do the task. In some ways it is similar to other aspects of ADHD such as the inability to pay bills: you have the means and it is only a simple little login to your bank and some - albeit boring - manual labor to set up the transaction, and yet you can't do it even when the cost of failing to is painfully obvious. With that said, hyperfocus feels wonderful, there are however similarities to stereotypical behaviors associated with central stimulant abuse (especially amphetamines) so it is possible that it is partially triggered or reinforced by ADHD medication. Anecdotally I do experience it more often while on medication than not. That double-edged sword: "can't do shit without medication, focuses on the wrong shit while on it." (English isn't my first language so do excuse my shortcomings)
Even the lack of rigour it is interesting that hyperfocus happen and the mechanisms underlying it.
I took a TOVA test while getting evaluated. My second score was 20pts higher while medicated than unmedicated. I could tell i wasnt as focused on the test while medicated as I am while hyperfocused on something. Would love to be able to see how high it goes while hyperfocused.
"They're more akin to propagandists..."
MEGA BASED.
LOVE TO HYPERFOCUS ON SOME USELESS PERSONAL RABBIT HOLE! /sarcasm
then i "come to" HOURS later when i finally break myself out of it.
if i worked and my employer wanted me to use my "super-power" during my job i'd quit right there on the spot.
BTW thank you for mentioning hyperfixation on p*rn. WOW... yeah i'll admit to wasting an entire day looking for a picture or a video i remember enjoying years ago that i don't have anymore. scouring every search engine and torrent tracker with any keyword or remembered file name...
I hyper focus on dumb stuff hardly anyone else is interested and are completely useless in the real world. Example, I watched every second of every episode of The Facts of Life because I heard it was the longest running sitcom of the 80s and I wanted to know why. I joined and was very active in fb groups and researched the actors as well as followed them on social media. Now I couldn’t care less.
>Watched every episode of The Facts of Life.
> Doesn't care.
> Leaves.
Based.
Id say hyperfocus is good for society short term and bad for long-term. Example would be me starting a business. Bad is strained relationship with wife and kids.
Feeling hyper focused just watching this video🫥
Hyperfocused on a person right now. not good.
*INHALES CONTENT*
I am a huge Dr. Barkley fan for many years HOWEVER I want to remind everyone that he, by his own admission, is funded by big pharma, so we must keep in mind that he is not paid to find advantages of ADHD, quite the opposite. Notice in this vid he fails to mention the other disorder (syndrome actually ) that was the “inattentive type” that will be eliminated from ADHD in the next DSM. Hmmmmmm One has to wonder why he would use old studies not allowing for this new finding that a substantial amount of people diagnosed with ADHD, actually do not have ADHD or even a disorder but an entirely different syndrome.
I look forward to the studies on ADHD AFTER the people who don’t have it are removed from the equation. In the meantime, keep this in mind when listening to Dr. Barkley’s opinion.
Im interested in this but couldn’t find anything, any links to share re the intent to remove inattentive type?
@@jordancrouch3626 Russell talks about Cognitive Disengagement Syndrome in a series of videos
Oh come on… Dr. Barkley has been advocating taking SCT/CDS out of the ADHD diagnosis for almost 20 years and is lecturing about it all the time. These ad hominem accusations are getting boring. If he says something wrong, just point out what it is so one can discuss it.
What did he say, what’s the evidence of him being funded?
@@uidentity He has a list of sources of income somewhere online or in some of his presentations which shows that he had engagements with pharmaceutical companies in the past. Some people seem to have an issue with that. For me, I can say that Dr. Barkley's lectures are the most accurate descriptions of what is going on in my family and the most helpful. Personally, I never felt that he was talking out of conflict of interest but everyone has to come to their own conclusions.