Because what he stated is true, and for truth or facts, you don't need to keep saying it over and over, like the sun rises from the east side, so we will say " oh that's sun rise ", do we need to add " so that direction is east? ", no we don't, because that will make us look stupid if we do, I don't know about who is the GOAT, but MJ is clearly the better player than LBJ, way better in my opinion.
Extra geeked when I saw you dropped this video. Been waiting on it, truly is the definitive debate..... even tho us true basketball fans know it's not really a debate
Have you seen Jordan's ultimate reel? It's over half hour. All his shots except fast breaks are contested. Jordan was never open or unguarded. Teams knew after his rookie year who he was and he only got better over time.
To have been blessed to watch MJ play at UNC until he left the NBA for good, no player since MJ has ever dominated both ends of the court consistently…and the one stat that no one will ever come close to is the fact that MJ NEVER lost more than 2 games in a row for 8 consecutive years…Nov.1990-June 1998…there’s a video on TH-cam that will blow your mind about it, I think it’s titled “It took 8 years for MJ to accomplish this feat”…🎤🔥👍👽
I feel like that scoring titles one is huge because LeBron fans love to point out how LeBron has the most points ever but he has played most of his career in one of, if not the easiest era to score points in and he only managed to top the league once. Whereas Jordan led the league 10 times in arguably the hardest era to score in. It's the same reason I don't respect modern QB's in the NFL as much the rules have been changed to make your life easier while guys like Joe Montana and Dan Marino were doing that stuff while guys were trying to kill them. Sport just aint what it used to be man.
Sports across the board no longer have that "competitive toughness" from the past and it's also a reason why I personally can't rank today's athletes in high regard. The substance is missing and I'm supposed to act as if I don't notice.
People constantly blame Brady for that evolution and sure, his ACL injury was a big reason as to why refs really started doing more to protect the QB but Peyton Manning was the one who started with the rules changing to benefit the QB in terms of stats when he and the Colts complained to the NFL after the 2003 AFC Championship Game. Very next season, the illegal contact rule was heavily enforced and Manning broke Marino's TD record. But even in the early 2010s, there still felt like there was a pecking order with Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees being the top dogs and everybody was underneath. The numbers were inflated but there was at least still some balance to it. Now it's gotten way out of control. Completion percentage is a joke now, INT numbers are low because it's easier to throw the ball, yards are inflated, stats are inflated. You breath wrong on a QB and it's a penalty. A lot of just good QBs are putting up better statistical numbers than legends of the past. It's the same thing with basketball. People really think that some of these "just good" players are better than all time greats from the past simply because "better stats" in this inflated era.
You are spot on correct!! It is the truth. Marino and Montana and guys before them had to be extremely durable and tough. Slowly these leagues and organizations had the need to make it easier with all the new rules. Just the truth…..
Michael Jordan has 13 statistical clowns 10 scoring titles 3 steals titles, 13 of the 5 major stat categories. This is not a debate LeBronze James can win 8 championships how many future hall of fame players will have to leave their teams or who will he join to do so? I mean 2nd & 3rd best player on his championship teams has been All-stars on other teams no? Wade Bosh Allen Love Irving Davis Rondo Howard. How about the other players he's played with where he failed to win championships like the 4 top 75 players of all-time on 1 roster the 2022 LA Lakers predicted to be a 60 win team failed to win 35 Russell Westbrook LeBron James Dwight Howard Carmelo Anthony & Anthony Davis on 1 roster give Jordan this amount of help in Washington. Michael Jordan status at 1 is not touchable. LeBronze will play longer an rack up more stats by way of playing longer so Joe Flacco is better than Joe Montana right? LeBronze stats doesn't make him the greatest remember his fans tear down era's to lift him up. Russell era didn't tear down Mikan, Magic era didn't tear down Russell, Jordan era didn't tear down Magic, Kobe Duncan & Shaq didn't tear Jordan era now, after 2010 the crazed superteam era kicked in an now we see a superstar who is great but he labeled himself Goat while active in the NBA with a 3-6 championship record his fans in return tears down Kobe Duncan Shaq Jordan Magic Russell Mikan all these era's are now disrespected to place stats over winning. It's literally pathetic.
you're forgetting about '09 too. His cavs were the number 1 seed two years in a row in '09 and '10 with 60 plus games won and got eliminated. Jordan's teams never lost when they had the number 1 seed. Add that with 2011 meltdown and you got a three-peat of failure for Lebron.
They need to stream every single one of Jordan’s games in 4k. I want to watch that all over again. I regret not watching every game I had the opportunity to.
Kobe vs Lebron (using this criteria) Accomplishments = Kobe ( Lebron was gift wrapped many of his "accomplishments" MVPs for example) Longevity = LeBalco Winning = Kobe Statistics = Lebron (however i would have to know the context of where kobe ranks amongst SGs) Eye Test = Kobe Eye test weaknesses Kobe weakness = Sometimes over aggressive, took many difficult shots Lebron = Freethrows (5th all time in misses) Not good on ball defender, (KD got two finals MVPs on his head playing the same position) Turnover prone Dominates the ball all the time Not a good midrange shooter Needs 1.5-2 other all star players in there primes just to be competitive Conclusion =Kobe>lebron
this is THE video that got me to enter the basketball rabbit hole. during covid. no soccer worth watching, i got to visit the entire story of stories i can put my hand on about the history of basketball...and still now, never watched an entire game of Lebron! who played in my era! all the mixtapes i found about him are the same dunk. so...nothing worth watching! but watched Dr J games, Bird games (my GOAT!), MJ games...etc! hopefully he retires. so everybody can enjoy NBA again!
This absurd comparison was manufactured from Lebron’s first day in the league, because the money people were soiling themselves over concerns about marketing. LeMedia has played this toxic narrative game ever since, and has dragged down the entire sport at this point.
Love it! Danger Productions' first and only video for 3+ years. You're right, bubble chip and AD's clutch FMVP is inconsequential. Lebron should have retired then, last 4 years have only hurt his GOAT case.
No one plays the game the way MJ did. No one else glides around the court the way he did. No one else looks like him or made the game look as cool (and as easy) as he did.
Kobe was the closest. The big difference that not many folks talk about was the 48" Air Jordan jump/hang time. This gave Jordan a huge advantage because he was able to change his shot 2 or 3 times in the air and his defenders were already on their way down to the floor. His leaping ability was the reason his fade away was damn near indefensible. I dont remember anybody ever blocking the famous Jordan fade away. If Kobe was able to get up 48" off the floor, their would be a much stronger case for comparison....i agree with you 100. Nobody played like MJ
@@thomasisrael673yea but it’s arguably more impressive he even came close to that level considering he wasn’t nearly the athlete man I wish that Chris Paul trade went off and he didn’t tear his Achilles bron would be in a debate with Kobe not mj. Personally I think kobe was better anyway but if he doesn’t get hurt or the trade goes threw kobes at 6-7 rings and the all time leading scorer
@@thomasisrael673Kobe was way too inefficient to seriously challenge Jordan. He was just as likely to shoot his team out of the game as he was to keep them in it/win it. MJ also damn sure didn't have a 48" vertical from 1995-98. It was probably well under 40" by then, but that's when his fadeaway was most lethal. MJ was just different.
Easily the BEST comparison on the internet. That video breaks it down so obviously and accurately. It blows me away how it is even an ACTUAL argument. Truly is a waste of time. I am a 78 born. I watched Bird, Magic and MJ all in their entirety. Well Bird and Magic I was very young. But my family are HUGE fans of the sport. Well used to be then🤦🏽♂️😆 Not so much nowadays. Too much money involved. Not enough hunger and passion to COMPETE and WIN. The driving force to play sports today is MONEY. And it has truly RUINED the “LOVE” of the game. Athletes then played to win and compete first. Then get paid due to PRODUCTION. They’re worth. Had to prove themselves first. God do I miss those days and the feeling it gave us diehard fans. 😔🙏🏼🤙🏼❤️
Man I gotta say, your commentary and content is A1! Your respect and humility is making all the O.G’s from our era very proud, this is my favorite b-ball channel! Keep up this fantastic work! 💯✌🏽
Watching Jordan was an event. If this video doesn’t convince someone of the GOAT. Then. They are in denial. He was alien. Perfect basketball player. And. The hardest worker and most competitive. And don’t forget. Did not load manage. As a matter of fact. Jordan himself said this “I refuse to sit out. Because this night a father and son are using, what could be money they saved up for months , to watch me play. And. I refuse to let them down. It is my responsibility to play for them. This just shows his mentality. It was an honor and privilege to watch him play. There is another video. The ultimate Jordan mixtape. Every time I watch it. I tear up. For some reason as I was watching Jordan. I thought he would play forever.
I would never watch a 50+ minute reaction video usually but you are one of the very few (for me) where your voice is so perfect for such a thing. The thing I never liked about Lebron is how he played into the ‘The Chosen One’ before actually making it. I get it was the media doing but he leaned into it instead of letting it occur naturally. It seemed to just kinda snowball into all these other things he has done like the decision or announcing that he is the best ever after that championship. Then you have the non basketball related to basketball stuff like the Hong Kong / China stuff. By no means is he dumb but his life has been basketball since being a baby. He didn’t go to college… why he trying to lecture the world on politics. Save that for your next career if you’re into it.
The problem is… there is no “debate” to begin with. Just watch “MJ Ultimate Bulls Mixtape” by NBA’s own youtube channel… no one else even comes close to Jordan.
How Bulls did without Jordan (93/94 season) and the same rest of a team? And how Cavs played without James (10/11 season) and the same rest of a team? That tells a lot.
@@ThomasFulham that tired excuse kid...nice try thought. What happened when MJ joined again...3 peat. I can't say the same about LeFraud. 4-6 cult destroyed
@@allpraisestothemosthigh9418 Oh boy ;) Bulls without Jordan were 55-27 team - so with Jordan they had 3 peat. Cavs with James were 61-21 team, without him... 19-63. Answer to that is simple: Bulls without Jordan were still a great team (maybe not for a champ, but for PO for sure) and Cavs without James were non-existent.
@sinhnguyen8135 I agree, and it's not hating, it's just logical. There are other players with more or equal accolades and rings, but without all the epic fails, and flopping, and turnovers.
Man I’m glad you finally reacted to this video! I was one of those pressing for you to review this exquisite piece of TH-cam mastery. Like you, I witnessed Jordan dominate like no one has before and it was awesome watching him steamroll everyone in his path. Jordan was such a unique athlete and it was a captivating experience watching him play knowing he was going come through when it mattered most. I remember watching his return in 95 and his loss to the Magic. I remember thinking… oh man he is going make a serious comeback. Not really expecting a 72-10 type comeback but at the same time not surprised either. Things like this are what really separate MJ from everyone else. Thanks for your awesome videos and I hope you had an awesome birthday!
@@TheRealMindCrime I don’t know why we can’t appreciate each other in regards to the players. Bron fans like to discredit Jordan and visa versa. They’re both incredible players, but the greatest is Jordan for sure. To negate things about the other is foolish to me.
FANTASTIC reaction and breakdown to this fabulous video by Dangerous Productions...I saw this video 3 years ago and it's STILL the best breakdown ever. Just needs an update lol. On a side note....I'm a Buffalonian. Born and raised in Buffalo, New York...trust me...I can speak for ALL Western New Yorkers when I say...we would rather have won at least 1 of those 4 Super Bowls (particularly the 1st one against the Giants lol) than to go 4 straight times and lose all 4. You've gained a new subscriber, sir. Keep up the good work.
thank you!! Yeah my two favorite teams growing up were the GIants and Bills. I wanted the Bills to win one so bad. Andre, Thurman, and Jim were my favorite offense in the game.
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah, man. My Bills had a squad back in those days. Truly a great team that couldn't get over the hump. "Wide right"....still hurts lol
It's crazy how they call LeBron the all time scoring champion....He played 21 seasons so far, and just signed a 2 year deal worth over $100 million....And he only led the league in scoring one time! Plus several other current players and several former players have higher career scoring averages. And LeBron has load managed his way to his 22nd season, he has sat out more than 300 games so far in his career....but that rest (and his alleged PED use) have allowed him to play longer....plus he barely breaks a sweat when he's on the floor, nobody ever defends him...they let him shoot wide open, or give him a wide open lane....MJ on the other hand led the league in scoring 10 times in his first 13 seasons, and led the league in steals 3 times, and has the highest career points per game average. The true scoring champion, and MJ did it against tough defense. Double and triple teams....LeBron doing his goofy thing where he is putting a crown on his head at games should alone be enough to disqualify him....it's childish, and just dumb.... ridiculous....If MJ hadn't retired and just played straight through till he was 38, 39 or 40 he would have had 50,000 points on 33 points per game and probably 10 rings.
@@Christo_Trismegistus yeah MJ did it several times, he had one season where he broke his foot and missed most of the season early in his career but he played several seasons all 82 games, including his age 40 season, he played all 82 games and over 37 minutes per game....LeBron has made it 82 once....they say he's durable but in 21 seasons, LeBron has sat out almost the equivalent of 4 full seasons (missed over 300 plus games and counting...)
That longevity argument is bs LeBron only played one 82 game season in 21 years. MJ played nine 82 game seasons and played 304 consecutive games during the second 3-Peat 9:01
And also the fact of how damaging Lebron's play style is to other players. Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were both top 10 players and got relegated to being spot up 3 point shooters. AD was a dominant generational talent that was clearly the better choice to be the number one option and he got pushed to the side so LeBron could stay pad. Westbrook averaged a triple double for years and got shifted to the bench to let LeBron continue chasing stats. It's insane how hall of fame superstars have to completely sacrifice everything just for the chance to lose with LeBron
@@Christo_Trismegistus good points! Whereas Jordan had so much gravity -- oftentimes being guarded by 2, 3 or 4 players -- his teammates had more open opportunities. Not to mention Jordan had way more assists than people give him credit for. If we could go through his games and count assists the way they are counted today, i think everyone would be shocked.
You nailed it bro, we were spoiled. We got to see the MJ in real time, and we all knew that he was THE GOAT the first moment we laid our eyes on him. He never disappointed us , win or lose, we were guaranteed an otherworldly jaw dropping event where our heads would explode because our brains couldn’t compute the sheer majestic aerial dominance, the absolutely gorgeous decimation of all gladiators in his sights and fear he alone imposed on an entire league. I believe there’s one player that could defeat Michael Jordan to be the GOAT and that player is…………..Michael Jordan. We were spoiled indeed.
Here in Vegas we haven’t had any rains for 3 months already😂 and everyday the temperature is around 110… PS: remember back in 1998 I skipped my entrance examination just to watch NBA finals, I was in big trouble after that but it was worth especially the last minute of that game.
This is still the most comprehensive GOAT comparison I’ve seen. It’s a little bit old, but still relevant. It could maybe use a tiny update to appease certain fans, but I’ve referenced this video many times since I’ve seen it.
It’s a great video… the one stat comparison it leaves out is Game Score… Game Score is a great stat to look at for overall productivity on the floor. LeBron in 54 Playoffs Series - Has led all players in GmSc 38 times (70.3%) Jordan in 37 Playoff Series - Led all players in GmSc 35 times (94.6%) MJ’s first all time in both regular season average Game Score (23.4) and playoff average Game Score (25.1) .
Comparing LeLoser to MJ as GOAT is the equivalent of looking up at the sky and saying the moon is bigger than the sun because it appears larger in the sky. LeBum lovers have no idea. You can say LeBozo is your favorite player, but GOAT is not even debatable.
Bro I’m from Australia from north of Brisbane (Fraser island) and it’s mid winter here it’s like 10 degrees normally we’re as hot as you obviously the southern hemisphere. Respect mate ur on my first team bball shows, along with AOH and Skap, BTM. Glad u amended SVG to JVG. JVG is imo a fantastic commentator. It statreter with dick Stockton and Hubie brown, then MJackson, BREEN and SVG. Damn the nba misses those guys. Imo SVG and MJackson got kicked off is beyond they were too honest, and didn’t mind controversy.
Wow 10 degrees!! Cover those pipes and make sure to run some water so they don't explode lol. Yeah them firing Jeff and Mark J was a mistake. Those were real commentators. Especially Jeff
@@TheRealMindCrime as I got older I agreed with JVG more… and he had no qualms questioning bad or unusual basketball… for one he called out many of lbj’s flops live.
The "longevity" thing is drastically overblown...he hasn't won an MVP in his 30s, he hasn't made any all defensive teams in his 30s, he hasn't worked on his game and gotten any better. I'd give people the longevity thing if the man was playin 75+ games every season but hes not... the dude picks and chooses which games to play and not play, ducks other teams superstars, hell your lucky to get 55-60 games out of this man per season. How does he have extraordinary longevity when the man is sittin out 1/3 of the season every year?
A lot of people say that Jordan's two seasons with the Wizards negatively affected his legacy. And when I say a lot of people, I mean LeNonGOAT James apologists. For me, it is quite the opposite. After three years of retirement, MJ proved he could still play at a high level at age 39 and 40, plus the injuries he endured those seasons. Ironically, I think LeBron's current run with the Lakers has negatively affected his legacy more than MJ's run with the Wizards ever could. Putting aside the 2020 Covid-19 Mickey Mouse Invitational championship, LeBarry Bonds James' run as a Laker has been very underwhelming. Not only the lack of success for Los Angeles, but the drama and shenanigans have made the last six seasons a joke. And now, with his son Bronny and puppet coach Reddick in the mix, LeBalco James' legacy is in the shits. One more thing, LeFlop James has been the defacto 'face of the NBA' since 2010 when he ran to Miami. Since then, the NBA has declined in quality and popularity, and that's mainly because of how much of a bad influence LeWhiner James has been to the NBA culture. That's why I say LeNonGOAT James is the King of a fallen kingdom.
You gotta have the Sonics up there because they swept Hakeem in the ‘96 playoffs after Hakeem went back to back. Hakeem and Clyde were looking for the 3-Peat and the Sonics stopped them 17:25
In my opinion, If MJ wanted, he could have scored over 100 points in a game like Wilt did, but he never chase those irrelevant achievements, he never lose his focus...winning, he never stats pad, he always goes all out, he never load manage.
@@liumatt2874 yah he could. I never realized why he didn't score that much and sometimes ask myself why he never scored 80+. And that's why he didn't care about individual stats as you call them irrelevant stats
@@Vancouverallday I remember this very clearly and is one of my favorite MJ story, When he was playing for the Wizards, there is this game against the Pacers where he scored 6 points and was pulled off by coach Doug Collins, that game broke his consecutive games of scoring over double digit, yet he never once want to go back to the game to get a few more points or blame Doug's decision of pulling him off early, all he ask of Doug is " do you still believe that I can play? " which he replied yes, and what did MJ do? for the next two games he scored a total of 96 points, 51 against the Hornets and 45 against the Nets, winning both games, that's a masterpiece.
DANGERProduction is being far too kind to LeBron. As one of the biggest MJ fans, I am fully aware that he got megastar treatment, even more so than his co-superstars (and no, he is not a god and he made mistakes; he just - out of all basketball players - came closest to perfection; as humanly possible). But he also got called on travelling and fouls on a regular basis; on the road he would get a clean block or a steal and the ref would call a foul. The refs on the opposite team's homecourt would not give him an inch, so it would balance itself a little bit, little bit. Yes, MJ would also complain often, but never without a reason, and if he argued too aggressively, he would get tech foul. When he finally got paid what he deserved, it motivated him even more and with every game he wanted to prove to everyone, that he deserves that money. Meanwhile LeBron's arsenal: 1. Anti-clutch plays, like the play at 43:43 - 43:47. If you slow it down, you can see that LeBron took 4 steps and still couldn't make that simple layup. 2. Remembers nothing from training with Hakeem. 3. Without the ball he just won't move. 4. Outside of clutch situations, many of his points come from constant uncalled travelling (much more than anyone else). 5. And another MASSIVE portion of his points comes from him committing offensive fauls, such as 25:44 - 25:47 , where he rams his shoulder against the defender's ribcage (twice!) full spead and no ref is calling it. This has been his move from day one. No wonder this princess is considered unstoppable by many, when he's allowed to abuse the rules. When his games get analysed properly, one can see that larger number of his points, especially in the last few years are the garbage time points. Majority of his career resembles the 100 m race from the Sacha Baron Cohen's movie Dictator.
They can add some trivial stats like MJ won 2 consecutive slam dunk titles, a bunch of all star MVPs, and shattered a backboard during an exhibition game in 1985…. More MJ facts that just make your head hurt…
12:32 I agree with you so much on this. First off please do football videos. I’d be all over that lol. Second off as a Bears fan, I’d rather have bad seasons than decent ones just to lose/choke in the playoffs like the Packers have, but of course their fans don’t want to say that. Haven’t finished the vid yet so looking forward to the rest of this one and for the next ones, bro
Btw thanks for the great video. Nice to listen to your own thoughts bout it. And so Why? Seriously Im watching a reaction video after I watched the actual video at the exact same time you posted this. 😮🎉 2nd time now
You are so right -- we were spoiled getting to watch MJ. And most of us were young and many of us, even though we loved MJ, didn't appreciate him as much as we should have. I'm definitely guilty of that. I adored MJ...but I didn't realize I'd never see his like again.
Yeah, like you said, when people are telling the truth and accessing real memories, their eyes go up and to the left because that's how you access the visual memory part of your brain. It is possible to remember truly without looking up and to the left, but any sort of recall that involves accessing past memories with a visual component (which is more often than not) will result in looking up and a bit to the left. Also, looking down, in addition to shame, is often what people do when they are creating a story. Aka: lying. Again it's a brain function thing. Like try to invent a totally original story (not involving true memory) and notice what your eyes do (kind blank look with eyes tilting downward is the usual).
Bro you finally made it I watch this countless time of this video and laugh at the FanBoy how their king failed them 🤣🤣🤣 MJ till now I still can’t find next player that can took off gracefully like MJ. “You played to win the game. Hello You Played To Win The Game!!!” Best quote ever
Jordan was better offensively, SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively, SIGNIFICANTLY better as a closer of games, better in the playoffs and also SIGNIFICANTLY better in the finals when it mattered the most. What the hell else is there? There isn't any part of the game of basketball that Jordan wasn't better than Lebron.
React to the Michael Jordan Masterclass videos from shortly after he retired, where he talked about fundamentals and how to become a better basketball player.
2:51 this is my answer to Nick Wrong's question: 1) MJ was dragged all the way from the golf course to Looney Tunes' world because the Toon Squad knows His Airness will save them 2) LeBron was dragged by AI-G Rhythm to embarrass him but hey who was there to save his a**? His son and Bugs by sacrificing himself with the glitch
As a Cowboys and Bulls fan, I'm sorry you had to be on the other side of that. As far as it goes, though, I understand how it feels - in 1995 my college football team, Florida, got pasted 65-27 by Nebraska in the National Championship game. The feeling is even worse when your team plays like it didn't even belong there. LeBron isn't as good as MJ for all the reasons listed - effort, skill, and evolution (LeBron's game has never really changed or improved, MJ changed the way he played and scored so that he could begin to and continue winning championships in the NBA.) MJ also turned perceived weaknesses into strengths - the media said he couldn't pass and distribute the ball, so he goes out in the finals against the best passer in the game, Magic, and averages more assists that finals than anyone ever has except Magic. The next year vs Portland people said he couldn't shoot threes, so he makes a then finals record number of threes. The drive just isn't there with LeBron, and it looks exactly like the problems people complain about with younger millennials and GenZ - they expect it to be easy, don't work hard enough to get the results they want, then complain and make excuses when they fail. Edit to add: Even though LeBron has some great skills and has had an impressive career, his complaining, lack of effort, and selfishness would prevent me from choosing him if I was putting together a team of the best of all time. If I had one game or one series that I just HAD to win he wouldn't make the cut. Also, Happy Birthday!
My thing is how is lebron even mentioned in the goat debate. His playoff record and final records alone prove he’s not in that conversation. Not mention how lebron went and ran to Miami to join 2 HOF players to win his first 2 rings lol. Not mention the eastern conference was full of 19,20,21 year olds when lebron was going to finals in east lol .
I dont ever recall Bird asking management to trade Parish or McHale after winning a championship or Jordan asking for Pippen to be traded after 3 peating twice. Lebron : 😤😤😤😤
If lebron was undefeated in the finals and have 9 or 10 rings instead of 4 for 10, if he was undefeated I would say Lebron is the GOAT . This coming from me , who people of importance in my life it goes my son, mom/dad, the MJ
I just re-watched this, dang this was on point...At 48:00 to 49:00 he sums it up- Before he said it, I was like "He does exist, it's Michael"... go to 49:26 for the new nba logo, it's time!! I remember when he hit the last shot against Russel, being so happy, so amazed, and so bummed at the same time...I told by wife, "It's over...We'll never see this again in our lifetime"... We all took it for granted, because Mike showed it to us all the time, for years...We were more than blessed to see his career in real time...Others can talk all the shiz they want, they are all wasting their time, we know the truth, and that's all that matters- Peace :)
I saw that video before it was awesome and I joined listening to you react to it😂 because like you I watched MJ in real time only thing I actually live in Chicago so I was blessed to watch every game which was must see TV. MJ never disappointed always gave his all on the court night after night so it makes me mad when they compare LeBlame James to MJ there completely different players. MJ is the real #23 ❤
To me: 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. Wilt My criteria for GOAT is; 1. Performances (49 pts + 63 pts against one of the best teams ever without any all star help + 38 pts flu game, etc). 2. Offensive and defensive skill sets. 3. Winning (if the organisation surrounds player with enough help, they should win). 4. Stats with context or within position. 5. Individual accomplishments. Team accomplishments. Anyway, good reaction.
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing - Edmund Burke. Keep fighting against The Ku Klutch Klan my friend, we fans of basketball appreciate it. I’m happy you saw this one, it’s the best, most fair vid of MJ vs Bron comparison in my opinion. I try to remember as much as possible for argument’s sake lol. And Happy Birthday!!!
I’m going to push back on Lebron’s “longevity” argument. Besides the fact that he plays in an era that’s become increasingly less physical, and he doesn’t put his body on the line for loose balls or rebounds or anything, the “longevity” argument would only work if Lebron was winning like MJ or even close to MJ. He never did and the more time Lebron plays, the more his longevity counts against him. Jordan won more and accomplished more in far less time. Lebron is just continuing to defame his own legacy the more he plays. These former coaches and players placing Lebron at #2 are doing that to help promote the modern game. The claims have zero merit. It’s just words. Like Lebron’s “longevity”. What difference does longevity make if you’re not winning during it. Lebron only gets his stats because he runs his system. Running his system has been a detriment to every team he’s played on. Opponents are fine with letting Lebron get his meaningless stats because his stats don’t contribute to winning or a winning culture. Longevity for every other player before Lebron used to be considered “just hanging on too long”. The media changed the narrative for a woefully underwhelming Lebron hoping that he’ll catch Jordan. That “hope” is working in the complete opposite way than Klutch Sports, Nike and the corporate media had wished. Good enough. That’s what you get for trying to manipulate the reality of this so called debate
@@verbalkint3447 Correct. Remember Kareem. Finals MVP 38 years old. Last ring 41 years old. LeBron hanging around and ruining my team. Lakers fan. Wish he would retire.
This is one of the greatest tragedies of NBA History. I can't stand Lebron, but that's because of what he could have been in comparison to what he has become. He crippled his career by taking shortcuts; trying to surpass MJ, instead of trying to be the best version of himself, as possible. The weaknesses mentioned in this video, are still present along with others (turnovers) and he refuses to improve. Kobe became the best version of himself when he stopped trying to be like MJ. He still remained competitive and understood winning was more important than being a MJ clone. He became more fearless and took criticism, whenever he failed. Lebron is far from that type of character and he would become unfriendly towards anyone that doesn't kiss his butt. Now, most people don't respect his legacy and will put the other NBA greats like Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc over him because they ran the gauntlet with dignity and pride; without excuses. It's a shame.
Real question here. I have seen Lebron for his entire career, same did with Kobe and most of MJ ( I was a bit 2 young back in the 80s so I don't recall his 3-4 first seasons), coming back to Lebron, and this is a no hate question... What is he really good at? I ask this because even when he got into the league back in 03 with all the hype and shit, all I saw from him all of the time was the same moves, the same passes, the same layups, the same charges into the paint, it was just a player without any creativity that excelled at nothing, don't get me wrong he was great but he wasn't the best at anything, he has never been the best at anything, so he's a very good player but not anywhere close the top 10 level.... And now you add to this his antics, the lies, the excuses, thee flops, the blames, the PEDs and the stupid dramas, man how can somebody like this man, if all of this drama was back in the 90s or 2000s he would never step out of the bench. I end with this. Think about the great players of all time, Kareem, MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, etc. you can pinpoint exactly what is that made them great, what was their special talent and skill, you knew you where not stopping Kareem, MJ or Kobe, you knew Magic was going to make the impossible happen and you knew Bird was not going to miss the clutch... What is LeBron real talent? What makes him a top 10 contender? All he is is an above average player that has played 21 years and counting... The only moves I recall from him are illegal travels and charges, and belive me I'm trying here.
LeBron is arguably the best at driving to the basket. But he only gets away with this because he never gets called for traveling. If he got called for traveling that would eliminate 80% of LeBron's offensive bag
A lot of MJ's shots were long 2's so I'd bet if he grew up with a 3pt line like players drafted in the late 90s and after did he'd be a lot better at 3pt shooting.
You're crazy. LeBron is the GOAT because MJ's sons never made it to the NBA. The day Bronny got drafted, that made LeBron the official GOAT in all of sports history
not trying to blow smoke up my own a55 but this video takes so many points I have been making for years and years on youtube, down to the per game VORP stat, stuff literally nobody was saying at the time anywhere. I was making these comments to anybody who would read them on endless videos here...looks like somebody did actually read them, Danger Productions 😉 But I'm glad, it needs to be said...
MJ is my goat because he had respect for the game. He took loses on the chin and came back better. He didn't cheat. He didn't stack the deck. He never ran from a challenge.
Just wanna point out, West 2.6 steals per game is at the tail end of his career when they started tracking strals. Guy probably avg just as many as prime Jordan while in his own prime
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Thank you so much! 🙂
Mike NEVER EVER flopped.
Nor made excuses or choked
"It's not the first time an underdog has won a championship"... shows Dirk holding the trophy. 😂😭😂
Michael Jordan is leagues above LeBron in every aspect possible
lebron is a better complainer! all time great 😮
@@ebrown112 he definitely beat him at that game
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Including killer instinct and not being scared to shoot a foul shot in the last 2 mins of the game
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Dude dropped the best Jordan/LeBron debate video to end the whole thing then deuced out lol
😂 I think he gonna pop out when lbj retire for good to see where he rank but after that deuce out again 😂
Because what he stated is true, and for truth or facts, you don't need to keep saying it over and over, like the sun rises from the east side, so we will say " oh that's sun rise ", do we need to add " so that direction is east? ", no we don't, because that will make us look stupid if we do, I don't know about who is the GOAT, but MJ is clearly the better player than LBJ, way better in my opinion.
Extra geeked when I saw you dropped this video. Been waiting on it, truly is the definitive debate..... even tho us true basketball fans know it's not really a debate
I love how the gap between Jordan and LeBron always gets wider in the playoffs. Being good when it matters most is goatness.
I noticed just watching the introduction. All of Jordan's dunks are contested. All of LeFraud's, uncontested.
Have you seen Jordan's ultimate reel? It's over half hour. All his shots except fast breaks are contested. Jordan was never open or unguarded. Teams knew after his rookie year who he was and he only got better over time.
Yep.
I had recommended this video. Many times. Glad you’re finally watching it. This is the definitive edition. And it is still relevant. You will see.
To have been blessed to watch MJ play at UNC until he left the NBA for good, no player since MJ has ever dominated both ends of the court consistently…and the one stat that no one will ever come close to is the fact that MJ NEVER lost more than 2 games in a row for 8 consecutive years…Nov.1990-June 1998…there’s a video on TH-cam that will blow your mind about it, I think it’s titled “It took 8 years for MJ to accomplish this feat”…🎤🔥👍👽
I feel like that scoring titles one is huge because LeBron fans love to point out how LeBron has the most points ever but he has played most of his career in one of, if not the easiest era to score points in and he only managed to top the league once. Whereas Jordan led the league 10 times in arguably the hardest era to score in. It's the same reason I don't respect modern QB's in the NFL as much the rules have been changed to make your life easier while guys like Joe Montana and Dan Marino were doing that stuff while guys were trying to kill them. Sport just aint what it used to be man.
Sports across the board no longer have that "competitive toughness" from the past and it's also a reason why I personally can't rank today's athletes in high regard. The substance is missing and I'm supposed to act as if I don't notice.
People constantly blame Brady for that evolution and sure, his ACL injury was a big reason as to why refs really started doing more to protect the QB but Peyton Manning was the one who started with the rules changing to benefit the QB in terms of stats when he and the Colts complained to the NFL after the 2003 AFC Championship Game. Very next season, the illegal contact rule was heavily enforced and Manning broke Marino's TD record.
But even in the early 2010s, there still felt like there was a pecking order with Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees being the top dogs and everybody was underneath. The numbers were inflated but there was at least still some balance to it.
Now it's gotten way out of control. Completion percentage is a joke now, INT numbers are low because it's easier to throw the ball, yards are inflated, stats are inflated. You breath wrong on a QB and it's a penalty. A lot of just good QBs are putting up better statistical numbers than legends of the past. It's the same thing with basketball.
People really think that some of these "just good" players are better than all time greats from the past simply because "better stats" in this inflated era.
You are spot on correct!! It is the truth. Marino and Montana and guys before them had to be extremely durable and tough. Slowly these leagues and organizations had the need to make it easier with all the new rules. Just the truth…..
For me Kareem has better career than LeBalco more mvp more championships and Almost 40000 without 3 points line
Michael Jordan has 13 statistical clowns 10 scoring titles 3 steals titles, 13 of the 5 major stat categories. This is not a debate LeBronze James can win 8 championships how many future hall of fame players will have to leave their teams or who will he join to do so? I mean 2nd & 3rd best player on his championship teams has been All-stars on other teams no? Wade Bosh Allen Love Irving Davis Rondo Howard. How about the other players he's played with where he failed to win championships like the 4 top 75 players of all-time on 1 roster the 2022 LA Lakers predicted to be a 60 win team failed to win 35 Russell Westbrook LeBron James Dwight Howard Carmelo Anthony & Anthony Davis on 1 roster give Jordan this amount of help in Washington. Michael Jordan status at 1 is not touchable. LeBronze will play longer an rack up more stats by way of playing longer so Joe Flacco is better than Joe Montana right? LeBronze stats doesn't make him the greatest remember his fans tear down era's to lift him up. Russell era didn't tear down Mikan, Magic era didn't tear down Russell, Jordan era didn't tear down Magic, Kobe Duncan & Shaq didn't tear Jordan era now, after 2010 the crazed superteam era kicked in an now we see a superstar who is great but he labeled himself Goat while active in the NBA with a 3-6 championship record his fans in return tears down Kobe Duncan Shaq Jordan Magic Russell Mikan all these era's are now disrespected to place stats over winning. It's literally pathetic.
2010 - 2011, Going down to Miami and having the meltdown performance ended any claim LeBron may have had.
And getting dominated by the senior citizen spurs in 2014
you're forgetting about '09 too. His cavs were the number 1 seed two years in a row in '09 and '10 with 60 plus games won and got eliminated. Jordan's teams never lost when they had the number 1 seed. Add that with 2011 meltdown and you got a three-peat of failure for Lebron.
They need to stream every single one of Jordan’s games in 4k. I want to watch that all over again. I regret not watching every game I had the opportunity to.
I would love that. A whole YT channel just for him with a playlist that has every one of his games. NBA is dumb for not doing this.
Kobe vs Lebron (using this criteria)
Accomplishments = Kobe ( Lebron was gift wrapped many of his "accomplishments" MVPs for example)
Longevity = LeBalco
Winning = Kobe
Statistics = Lebron (however i would have to know the context of where kobe ranks amongst SGs)
Eye Test = Kobe
Eye test weaknesses
Kobe weakness = Sometimes over aggressive, took many difficult shots
Lebron = Freethrows (5th all time in misses)
Not good on ball defender, (KD got two finals MVPs on his head playing the same position)
Turnover prone Dominates the ball all the time
Not a good midrange shooter
Needs 1.5-2 other all star players in there primes just to be competitive
Conclusion =Kobe>lebron
Amen
Couldn't of said it better myself!
this is THE video that got me to enter the basketball rabbit hole. during covid. no soccer worth watching, i got to visit the entire story of stories i can put my hand on about the history of basketball...and still now, never watched an entire game of Lebron! who played in my era! all the mixtapes i found about him are the same dunk. so...nothing worth watching! but watched Dr J games, Bird games (my GOAT!), MJ games...etc! hopefully he retires. so everybody can enjoy NBA again!
Wow, surprised you hadn’t reacted to this up till this point already 😮
This absurd comparison was manufactured from Lebron’s first day in the league, because the money people were soiling themselves over concerns about marketing. LeMedia has played this toxic narrative game ever since, and has dragged down the entire sport at this point.
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Yes!! Love this video from danger productions.
Unequivocally the best goat video.
Yeah this was a fun watch!
There is no debate. There never was.
True but I have friends who say Jordan would be an average Player in todays NBA. LeChoke Fans, much younger than me, never saw MJ play. Sad.
I wonˋt repeat what they say about Bird🤯
Love it! Danger Productions' first and only video for 3+ years. You're right, bubble chip and AD's clutch FMVP is inconsequential. Lebron should have retired then, last 4 years have only hurt his GOAT case.
Then just randomly drops a Joe rogan video 3 years later.
I agree that this is the best video on the so-called debate and also his only video on TH-cam
Truth only need to be told once, however lies needs to be told constantly to be of any effective.
No one plays the game the way MJ did. No one else glides around the court the way he did. No one else looks like him or made the game look as cool (and as easy) as he did.
Kobe was the closest. The big difference that not many folks talk about was the 48" Air Jordan jump/hang time. This gave Jordan a huge advantage because he was able to change his shot 2 or 3 times in the air and his defenders were already on their way down to the floor. His leaping ability was the reason his fade away was damn near indefensible. I dont remember anybody ever blocking the famous Jordan fade away. If Kobe was able to get up 48" off the floor, their would be a much stronger case for comparison....i agree with you 100. Nobody played like MJ
No doubt, MJ's artistry is unmatched. What an insult to even compare LeFlop to him.
@@thomasisrael673yea but it’s arguably more impressive he even came close to that level considering he wasn’t nearly the athlete man I wish that Chris Paul trade went off and he didn’t tear his Achilles bron would be in a debate with Kobe not mj. Personally I think kobe was better anyway but if he doesn’t get hurt or the trade goes threw kobes at 6-7 rings and the all time leading scorer
@@thomasisrael673Kobe was way too inefficient to seriously challenge Jordan. He was just as likely to shoot his team out of the game as he was to keep them in it/win it.
MJ also damn sure didn't have a 48" vertical from 1995-98. It was probably well under 40" by then, but that's when his fadeaway was most lethal.
MJ was just different.
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Easily the BEST comparison on the internet. That video breaks it down so obviously and accurately. It blows me away how it is even an ACTUAL argument. Truly is a waste of time. I am a 78 born. I watched Bird, Magic and MJ all in their entirety. Well Bird and Magic I was very young. But my family are HUGE fans of the sport. Well used to be then🤦🏽♂️😆 Not so much nowadays. Too much money involved. Not enough hunger and passion to COMPETE and WIN. The driving force to play sports today is MONEY. And it has truly RUINED the “LOVE” of the game. Athletes then played to win and compete first. Then get paid due to PRODUCTION. They’re worth. Had to prove themselves first. God do I miss those days and the feeling it gave us diehard fans. 😔🙏🏼🤙🏼❤️
Man I gotta say, your commentary and content is A1! Your respect and humility is making all the O.G’s from our era very proud, this is my favorite b-ball channel! Keep up this fantastic work! 💯✌🏽
Wow Nate thank you so much! I set out to just be real and worry about the haters. I just wanna be authentic. Thank you again man
No prob it’s well deserved! Keep shining 💯✌🏽
Watching Jordan was an event. If this video doesn’t convince someone of the GOAT. Then. They are in denial. He was alien. Perfect basketball player. And. The hardest worker and most competitive. And don’t forget. Did not load manage. As a matter of fact. Jordan himself said this “I refuse to sit out. Because this night a father and son are using, what could be money they saved up for months , to watch me play. And. I refuse to let them down. It is my responsibility to play for them. This just shows his mentality. It was an honor and privilege to watch him play. There is another video. The ultimate Jordan mixtape. Every time I watch it. I tear up. For some reason as I was watching Jordan. I thought he would play forever.
I would never watch a 50+ minute reaction video usually but you are one of the very few (for me) where your voice is so perfect for such a thing.
The thing I never liked about Lebron is how he played into the ‘The Chosen One’ before actually making it. I get it was the media doing but he leaned into it instead of letting it occur naturally. It seemed to just kinda snowball into all these other things he has done like the decision or announcing that he is the best ever after that championship.
Then you have the non basketball related to basketball stuff like the Hong Kong / China stuff. By no means is he dumb but his life has been basketball since being a baby. He didn’t go to college… why he trying to lecture the world on politics. Save that for your next career if you’re into it.
good evening from Finland. thanks for vid
The problem is… there is no “debate” to begin with.
Just watch “MJ Ultimate Bulls Mixtape” by NBA’s own youtube channel… no one else even comes close to Jordan.
How Bulls did without Jordan (93/94 season) and the same rest of a team? And how Cavs played without James (10/11 season) and the same rest of a team? That tells a lot.
@@ThomasFulham that tired excuse kid...nice try thought. What happened when MJ joined again...3 peat. I can't say the same about LeFraud. 4-6 cult destroyed
@@NewNormalWorldOrder you see the nonsense his fangirl tried say? I swear, I believe his fanbase is made up of a bunch of fatherless individuals
@@allpraisestothemosthigh9418 Oh boy ;) Bulls without Jordan were 55-27 team - so with Jordan they had 3 peat. Cavs with James were 61-21 team, without him... 19-63. Answer to that is simple: Bulls without Jordan were still a great team (maybe not for a champ, but for PO for sure) and Cavs without James were non-existent.
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How come LeFraud Blames isn’t 21-0 or whatever in the NBA Finals if he’s so good?
See, he’s clearly a bum. He’ll never be MJ.
one of my fav channels TheRealMindCrime full of info about the 90s and before and always open for is opinions no bias and just all ball talk
25:55 " the reason LeBron lost to the aliens is cause he didn't have enough help" LeNutlickers😂😂😂
If it's proven that leflop is on steroids, definitively, does that take away the longevity checkmark?
Has too and he's automatically out of any GOAT debate
you mean when.....
@@PBMdanyanever should have ever been in it.
@@PBMdanyathe goat debate was manifested by the NBA and the media. He might not even be second. There are few players I would pick over him.
@sinhnguyen8135 I agree, and it's not hating, it's just logical. There are other players with more or equal accolades and rings, but without all the epic fails, and flopping, and turnovers.
Just wanna touch on the fact that Jordan averaged more offensive rebounds than Lebron, who was bigger and played closer to the basket.
Other than the fact that the video needs to be updated, yes, it absolutely IS the best comparison video.
Agreed. I hope i does a new one soon.
Man I’m glad you finally reacted to this video! I was one of those pressing for you to review this exquisite piece of TH-cam mastery. Like you, I witnessed Jordan dominate like no one has before and it was awesome watching him steamroll everyone in his path. Jordan was such a unique athlete and it was a captivating experience watching him play knowing he was going come through when it mattered most. I remember watching his return in 95 and his loss to the Magic. I remember thinking… oh man he is going make a serious comeback. Not really expecting a 72-10 type comeback but at the same time not surprised either. Things like this are what really separate MJ from everyone else. Thanks for your awesome videos and I hope you had an awesome birthday!
It was a pleasure to finally do it. Thanks for the suggestions. I love this community!
I can't believe you've never seen this! Watching it right now...sooo excited!
Didn’t Steve Kerr said in the question of who’s better he said something like “well I don’t know about that, they both gave me three rings” hahaha
yup!! in the last dance I think lol
@@TheRealMindCrime I don’t know why we can’t appreciate each other in regards to the players. Bron fans like to discredit Jordan and visa versa. They’re both incredible players, but the greatest is Jordan for sure. To negate things about the other is foolish to me.
Thanks for covering this vid defo my favourite assessment of the goat debate, would be great if he did a part 2 to this at the end of Lebrons career
FANTASTIC reaction and breakdown to this fabulous video by Dangerous Productions...I saw this video 3 years ago and it's STILL the best breakdown ever. Just needs an update lol.
On a side note....I'm a Buffalonian. Born and raised in Buffalo, New York...trust me...I can speak for ALL Western New Yorkers when I say...we would rather have won at least 1 of those 4 Super Bowls (particularly the 1st one against the Giants lol) than to go 4 straight times and lose all 4.
You've gained a new subscriber, sir. Keep up the good work.
thank you!! Yeah my two favorite teams growing up were the GIants and Bills. I wanted the Bills to win one so bad. Andre, Thurman, and Jim were my favorite offense in the game.
@@TheRealMindCrime Yeah, man. My Bills had a squad back in those days. Truly a great team that couldn't get over the hump. "Wide right"....still hurts lol
Even with the aid of “alleged” ped usage, Lebron still only played 80+ games twice in 21 seasons. 😂 He’s really not “him”.
Lol so true
It's crazy how they call LeBron the all time scoring champion....He played 21 seasons so far, and just signed a 2 year deal worth over $100 million....And he only led the league in scoring one time! Plus several other current players and several former players have higher career scoring averages. And LeBron has load managed his way to his 22nd season, he has sat out more than 300 games so far in his career....but that rest (and his alleged PED use) have allowed him to play longer....plus he barely breaks a sweat when he's on the floor, nobody ever defends him...they let him shoot wide open, or give him a wide open lane....MJ on the other hand led the league in scoring 10 times in his first 13 seasons, and led the league in steals 3 times, and has the highest career points per game average. The true scoring champion, and MJ did it against tough defense. Double and triple teams....LeBron doing his goofy thing where he is putting a crown on his head at games should alone be enough to disqualify him....it's childish, and just dumb.... ridiculous....If MJ hadn't retired and just played straight through till he was 38, 39 or 40 he would have had 50,000 points on 33 points per game and probably 10 rings.
It's insane to think that even without all the PEDs LeBron has only played 82 games once in his 20 seasons.
@@Christo_Trismegistus yeah MJ did it several times, he had one season where he broke his foot and missed most of the season early in his career but he played several seasons all 82 games, including his age 40 season, he played all 82 games and over 37 minutes per game....LeBron has made it 82 once....they say he's durable but in 21 seasons, LeBron has sat out almost the equivalent of 4 full seasons (missed over 300 plus games and counting...)
That longevity argument is bs LeBron only played one 82 game season in 21 years. MJ played nine 82 game seasons and played 304 consecutive games during the second 3-Peat 9:01
And you also have to consider the fact that he mostly plays ONE side of the floor.
Wow...304 consecutive games is CRAZY. I'm a huge fan Jordan fan and I did not know that fact. Thank you!
@@--ArcAngel-- yessir 🤝💯🫡
And also the fact of how damaging Lebron's play style is to other players. Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were both top 10 players and got relegated to being spot up 3 point shooters. AD was a dominant generational talent that was clearly the better choice to be the number one option and he got pushed to the side so LeBron could stay pad. Westbrook averaged a triple double for years and got shifted to the bench to let LeBron continue chasing stats. It's insane how hall of fame superstars have to completely sacrifice everything just for the chance to lose with LeBron
@@Christo_Trismegistus good points! Whereas Jordan had so much gravity -- oftentimes being guarded by 2, 3 or 4 players -- his teammates had more open opportunities. Not to mention Jordan had way more assists than people give him credit for. If we could go through his games and count assists the way they are counted today, i think everyone would be shocked.
Top 100 MJ feats that Lebron will never pass from Bruce Blitz. Check it out. It is a bit of an old video but it's still a good one.
This should’ve never been a discussion, LeBron doesn’t light a candle to Jordan’s greatness and doesn’t belong in any all time great conversation!
You nailed it bro, we were spoiled. We got to see the MJ in real time, and we all knew that he was THE GOAT the first moment we laid our eyes on him. He never disappointed us , win or lose, we were guaranteed an otherworldly jaw dropping event where our heads would explode because our brains couldn’t compute the sheer majestic aerial dominance, the absolutely gorgeous decimation of all gladiators in his sights and fear he alone imposed on an entire league. I believe there’s one player that could defeat Michael Jordan to be the GOAT and that player is…………..Michael Jordan. We were spoiled indeed.
Here in Vegas we haven’t had any rains for 3 months already😂 and everyday the temperature is around 110…
PS: remember back in 1998 I skipped my entrance examination just to watch NBA finals, I was in big trouble after that but it was worth especially the last minute of that game.
The best to ever do it. Damn, we were lucky to be around for it.
Yes we really were. The young ones think we're crazy when we talk about how great he was
This is still the most comprehensive GOAT comparison I’ve seen. It’s a little bit old, but still relevant. It could maybe use a tiny update to appease certain fans, but I’ve referenced this video many times since I’ve seen it.
It’s a great video… the one stat comparison it leaves out is Game Score…
Game Score is a great stat to look at for overall productivity on the floor.
LeBron in 54 Playoffs Series - Has led all players in GmSc 38 times (70.3%)
Jordan in 37 Playoff Series - Led all players in GmSc 35 times (94.6%)
MJ’s first all time in both regular season average Game Score (23.4) and playoff average Game Score (25.1) .
Comparing LeLoser to MJ as GOAT is the equivalent of looking up at the sky and saying the moon is bigger than the sun because it appears larger in the sky. LeBum lovers have no idea. You can say LeBozo is your favorite player, but GOAT is not even debatable.
Love your show buddy and I appreciate the response back so keep up the good work and just letting these people know about the fraud
"Twenty percent...lemme repeat that, TWENTY PERCENT." 😂😭😂
Bro I’m from Australia from north of Brisbane (Fraser island) and it’s mid winter here it’s like 10 degrees normally we’re as hot as you obviously the southern hemisphere. Respect mate ur on my first team bball shows, along with AOH and Skap, BTM. Glad u amended SVG to JVG. JVG is imo a fantastic commentator. It statreter with dick Stockton and Hubie brown, then MJackson, BREEN and SVG. Damn the nba misses those guys. Imo SVG and MJackson got kicked off is beyond they were too honest, and didn’t mind controversy.
Wow 10 degrees!! Cover those pipes and make sure to run some water so they don't explode lol. Yeah them firing Jeff and Mark J was a mistake. Those were real commentators. Especially Jeff
@@TheRealMindCrime as I got older I agreed with JVG more… and he had no qualms questioning bad or unusual basketball… for one he called out many of lbj’s flops live.
25-1 over 26 playoff series us insane. That syst alone makes me the goat
Mj.
saving this for when the baby wakes up lol
It was never close. I wish every basketball fan would watch this.
The "longevity" thing is drastically overblown...he hasn't won an MVP in his 30s, he hasn't made any all defensive teams in his 30s, he hasn't worked on his game and gotten any better. I'd give people the longevity thing if the man was playin 75+ games every season but hes not... the dude picks and chooses which games to play and not play, ducks other teams superstars, hell your lucky to get 55-60 games out of this man per season. How does he have extraordinary longevity when the man is sittin out 1/3 of the season every year?
balco helps with longevity too lol
@@TheRealMindCrime exactly... pretty much his entire career is fraudulent.
Kareems longevity is far more impressive. And he played in a far tougher era.
A lot of people say that Jordan's two seasons with the Wizards negatively affected his legacy. And when I say a lot of people, I mean LeNonGOAT James apologists. For me, it is quite the opposite. After three years of retirement, MJ proved he could still play at a high level at age 39 and 40, plus the injuries he endured those seasons. Ironically, I think LeBron's current run with the Lakers has negatively affected his legacy more than MJ's run with the Wizards ever could. Putting aside the 2020 Covid-19 Mickey Mouse Invitational championship, LeBarry Bonds James' run as a Laker has been very underwhelming. Not only the lack of success for Los Angeles, but the drama and shenanigans have made the last six seasons a joke. And now, with his son Bronny and puppet coach Reddick in the mix, LeBalco James' legacy is in the shits. One more thing, LeFlop James has been the defacto 'face of the NBA' since 2010 when he ran to Miami. Since then, the NBA has declined in quality and popularity, and that's mainly because of how much of a bad influence LeWhiner James has been to the NBA culture. That's why I say LeNonGOAT James is the King of a fallen kingdom.
I love your channel!!
You gotta have the Sonics up there because they swept Hakeem in the ‘96 playoffs after Hakeem went back to back. Hakeem and Clyde were looking for the 3-Peat and the Sonics stopped them 17:25
I literally had go back and make sure I heard that right. "69points and 18reb"?? Holy s***!!!! I had no idea!!
In my opinion, If MJ wanted, he could have scored over 100 points in a game like Wilt did, but he never chase those irrelevant achievements, he never lose his focus...winning, he never stats pad, he always goes all out, he never load manage.
@@liumatt2874 yah he could. I never realized why he didn't score that much and sometimes ask myself why he never scored 80+. And that's why he didn't care about individual stats as you call them irrelevant stats
@@Vancouverallday I remember this very clearly and is one of my favorite MJ story, When he was playing for the Wizards, there is this game against the Pacers where he scored 6 points and was pulled off by coach Doug Collins, that game broke his consecutive games of scoring over double digit, yet he never once want to go back to the game to get a few more points or blame Doug's decision of pulling him off early, all he ask of Doug is " do you still believe that I can play? " which he replied yes, and what did MJ do? for the next two games he scored a total of 96 points, 51 against the Hornets and 45 against the Nets, winning both games, that's a masterpiece.
@@liumatt2874 I love this story....and I completely forgot about it. True GOAT status move right there
DANGERProduction is being far too kind to LeBron.
As one of the biggest MJ fans, I am fully aware that he got megastar treatment, even more so than his co-superstars (and no, he is not a god and he made mistakes; he just - out of all basketball players - came closest to perfection; as humanly possible). But he also got called on travelling and fouls on a regular basis; on the road he would get a clean block or a steal and the ref would call a foul. The refs on the opposite team's homecourt would not give him an inch, so it would balance itself a little bit, little bit. Yes, MJ would also complain often, but never without a reason, and if he argued too aggressively, he would get tech foul. When he finally got paid what he deserved, it motivated him even more and with every game he wanted to prove to everyone, that he deserves that money.
Meanwhile LeBron's arsenal:
1. Anti-clutch plays, like the play at 43:43 - 43:47. If you slow it down, you can see that LeBron took 4 steps and still couldn't make that simple layup.
2. Remembers nothing from training with Hakeem.
3. Without the ball he just won't move.
4. Outside of clutch situations, many of his points come from constant uncalled travelling (much more than anyone else).
5. And another MASSIVE portion of his points comes from him committing offensive fauls, such as 25:44 - 25:47 , where he rams his shoulder against the defender's ribcage (twice!) full spead and no ref is calling it. This has been his move from day one.
No wonder this princess is considered unstoppable by many, when he's allowed to abuse the rules. When his games get analysed properly, one can see that larger number of his points, especially in the last few years are the garbage time points. Majority of his career resembles the 100 m race from the Sacha Baron Cohen's movie Dictator.
NAH saying "Id rather give the ball to Dennis Rodman in the clutch" is insane
man the sonics were STACKED. greatly underrated squad
Kemp, Payton, Detlef, Hersey Hawkins, Perkins... thats a BEASTLY starting five.
They can add some trivial stats like MJ won 2 consecutive slam dunk titles, a bunch of all star MVPs, and shattered a backboard during an exhibition game in 1985…. More MJ facts that just make your head hurt…
12:32 I agree with you so much on this. First off please do football videos. I’d be all over that lol. Second off as a Bears fan, I’d rather have bad seasons than decent ones just to lose/choke in the playoffs like the Packers have, but of course their fans don’t want to say that.
Haven’t finished the vid yet so looking forward to the rest of this one and for the next ones, bro
thank you! Yeah nothing is more bitter than choking when it matters most. That hurts
Btw thanks for the great video. Nice to listen to your own thoughts bout it. And so Why? Seriously Im watching a reaction video after I watched the actual video at the exact same time you posted this. 😮🎉 2nd time now
Sad era sad times we live in a generation where every kid get a trophy at the soccer tournament just sad times😢😢😢😢😢
participation trophies lol
Beautifully done!!
16:56 “The reason none of those teams won the title?…. This Guy.” I get chills every time I see that part.
Yeah that one hits
You are so right -- we were spoiled getting to watch MJ. And most of us were young and many of us, even though we loved MJ, didn't appreciate him as much as we should have. I'm definitely guilty of that. I adored MJ...but I didn't realize I'd never see his like again.
Yeah, like you said, when people are telling the truth and accessing real memories, their eyes go up and to the left because that's how you access the visual memory part of your brain. It is possible to remember truly without looking up and to the left, but any sort of recall that involves accessing past memories with a visual component (which is more often than not) will result in looking up and a bit to the left.
Also, looking down, in addition to shame, is often what people do when they are creating a story. Aka: lying. Again it's a brain function thing. Like try to invent a totally original story (not involving true memory) and notice what your eyes do (kind blank look with eyes tilting downward is the usual).
It actually is fair, we didn't put Jordan's expectations on these players, they did it to themselves and so has the media.
That 84 Olympic team won all 8 game’s against the NBA All Star team
Bro you finally made it I watch this countless time of this video and laugh at the FanBoy how their king failed them 🤣🤣🤣
MJ till now I still can’t find next player that can took off gracefully like MJ.
“You played to win the game. Hello You Played To Win The Game!!!” Best quote ever
Jordan was better offensively, SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively, SIGNIFICANTLY better as a closer of games, better in the playoffs and also SIGNIFICANTLY better in the finals when it mattered the most. What the hell else is there? There isn't any part of the game of basketball that Jordan wasn't better than Lebron.
Exactly. MJ is literally better at everythjng and accomplished more in less time. Easy choice for me
React to the Michael Jordan Masterclass videos from shortly after he retired, where he talked about fundamentals and how to become a better basketball player.
2:51 this is my answer to Nick Wrong's question:
1) MJ was dragged all the way from the golf course to Looney Tunes' world because the Toon Squad knows His Airness will save them
2) LeBron was dragged by AI-G Rhythm to embarrass him but hey who was there to save his a**? His son and Bugs by sacrificing himself with the glitch
lol
As a Cowboys and Bulls fan, I'm sorry you had to be on the other side of that. As far as it goes, though, I understand how it feels - in 1995 my college football team, Florida, got pasted 65-27 by Nebraska in the National Championship game. The feeling is even worse when your team plays like it didn't even belong there.
LeBron isn't as good as MJ for all the reasons listed - effort, skill, and evolution (LeBron's game has never really changed or improved, MJ changed the way he played and scored so that he could begin to and continue winning championships in the NBA.) MJ also turned perceived weaknesses into strengths - the media said he couldn't pass and distribute the ball, so he goes out in the finals against the best passer in the game, Magic, and averages more assists that finals than anyone ever has except Magic. The next year vs Portland people said he couldn't shoot threes, so he makes a then finals record number of threes. The drive just isn't there with LeBron, and it looks exactly like the problems people complain about with younger millennials and GenZ - they expect it to be easy, don't work hard enough to get the results they want, then complain and make excuses when they fail.
Edit to add: Even though LeBron has some great skills and has had an impressive career, his complaining, lack of effort, and selfishness would prevent me from choosing him if I was putting together a team of the best of all time. If I had one game or one series that I just HAD to win he wouldn't make the cut.
Also, Happy Birthday!
My thing is how is lebron even mentioned in the goat debate. His playoff record and final records alone prove he’s not in that conversation.
Not mention how lebron went and ran to Miami to join 2 HOF players to win his first 2 rings lol. Not mention the eastern conference was full of 19,20,21 year olds when lebron was going to finals in east lol .
I dont ever recall Bird asking management to trade Parish or McHale after winning a championship or Jordan asking for Pippen to be traded after 3 peating twice.
Lebron : 😤😤😤😤
They never would!
If lebron was undefeated in the finals and have 9 or 10 rings instead of 4 for 10, if he was undefeated I would say Lebron is the GOAT . This coming from me , who people of importance in my life it goes my son, mom/dad, the MJ
Jordan better be a relative of yours to have him that high in your life.
I just re-watched this, dang this was on point...At 48:00 to 49:00 he sums it up- Before he said it, I was like "He does exist, it's Michael"... go to 49:26 for the new nba logo, it's time!! I remember when he hit the last shot against Russel, being so happy, so amazed, and so bummed at the same time...I told by wife, "It's over...We'll never see this again in our lifetime"... We all took it for granted, because Mike showed it to us all the time, for years...We were more than blessed to see his career in real time...Others can talk all the shiz they want, they are all wasting their time, we know the truth, and that's all that matters- Peace :)
yeah it was a perfect summary. MJ checks ALL the boxes when the other contenders hit one or two. MJ really was Thanos
I saw that video before it was awesome and I joined listening to you react to it😂 because like you I watched MJ in real time only thing I actually live in Chicago so I was blessed to watch every game which was must see TV. MJ never disappointed always gave his all on the court night after night so it makes me mad when they compare LeBlame James to MJ there completely different players. MJ is the real #23 ❤
nice! You got all the games then! I just got to see the ones on WGN but I watched him play multiple nights a week from that
@@TheRealMindCrime We were so lucky
There is no Lebron team I would take over Jordan's Bulls Teams, Kobe's Lakers, Tim Duncan Spurs, Legendary Celtics Teams.
To me:
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
My criteria for GOAT is;
1. Performances (49 pts + 63 pts against one of the best teams ever without any all star help + 38 pts flu game, etc).
2. Offensive and defensive skill sets.
3. Winning (if the organisation surrounds player with enough help, they should win).
4. Stats with context or within position.
5. Individual accomplishments. Team accomplishments.
Anyway, good reaction.
bro its cool if you have mj is the goat, but leaving bron outside top 2 is pure hating
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.
Keep fighting against The Ku Klutch Klan my friend, we fans of basketball appreciate it.
I’m happy you saw this one, it’s the best, most fair vid of MJ vs Bron comparison in my opinion. I try to remember as much as possible for argument’s sake lol.
And Happy Birthday!!!
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I’m going to push back on Lebron’s “longevity” argument. Besides the fact that he plays in an era that’s become increasingly less physical, and he doesn’t put his body on the line for loose balls or rebounds or anything, the “longevity” argument would only work if Lebron was winning like MJ or even close to MJ. He never did and the more time Lebron plays, the more his longevity counts against him. Jordan won more and accomplished more in far less time. Lebron is just continuing to defame his own legacy the more he plays. These former coaches and players placing Lebron at #2 are doing that to help promote the modern game. The claims have zero merit. It’s just words. Like Lebron’s “longevity”. What difference does longevity make if you’re not winning during it. Lebron only gets his stats because he runs his system. Running his system has been a detriment to every team he’s played on. Opponents are fine with letting Lebron get his meaningless stats because his stats don’t contribute to winning or a winning culture. Longevity for every other player before Lebron used to be considered “just hanging on too long”. The media changed the narrative for a woefully underwhelming Lebron hoping that he’ll catch Jordan. That “hope” is working in the complete opposite way than Klutch Sports, Nike and the corporate media had wished. Good enough. That’s what you get for trying to manipulate the reality of this so called debate
also taking balco helps with that longevity so it's cheating in my mind anyway
@@verbalkint3447 Correct. Remember Kareem. Finals MVP 38 years old. Last ring 41 years old. LeBron hanging around and ruining my team. Lakers fan. Wish he would retire.
Well said
Zo's and Tim's Heat. Mookie, Smith, Laettner and Mutombo's Hawks are getting glossed over as well in the 90's. Those teams were tough as hell as well.
This is one of the greatest tragedies of NBA History. I can't stand Lebron, but that's because of what he could have been in comparison to what he has become. He crippled his career by taking shortcuts; trying to surpass MJ, instead of trying to be the best version of himself, as possible. The weaknesses mentioned in this video, are still present along with others (turnovers) and he refuses to improve. Kobe became the best version of himself when he stopped trying to be like MJ. He still remained competitive and understood winning was more important than being a MJ clone. He became more fearless and took criticism, whenever he failed. Lebron is far from that type of character and he would become unfriendly towards anyone that doesn't kiss his butt. Now, most people don't respect his legacy and will put the other NBA greats like Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc over him because they ran the gauntlet with dignity and pride; without excuses. It's a shame.
Ty my brother for doing this one another request i have is mj historic bulls mixtape
Ok ill try it lol
Real question here. I have seen Lebron for his entire career, same did with Kobe and most of MJ ( I was a bit 2 young back in the 80s so I don't recall his 3-4 first seasons), coming back to Lebron, and this is a no hate question... What is he really good at? I ask this because even when he got into the league back in 03 with all the hype and shit, all I saw from him all of the time was the same moves, the same passes, the same layups, the same charges into the paint, it was just a player without any creativity that excelled at nothing, don't get me wrong he was great but he wasn't the best at anything, he has never been the best at anything, so he's a very good player but not anywhere close the top 10 level.... And now you add to this his antics, the lies, the excuses, thee flops, the blames, the PEDs and the stupid dramas, man how can somebody like this man, if all of this drama was back in the 90s or 2000s he would never step out of the bench.
I end with this. Think about the great players of all time, Kareem, MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, etc. you can pinpoint exactly what is that made them great, what was their special talent and skill, you knew you where not stopping Kareem, MJ or Kobe, you knew Magic was going to make the impossible happen and you knew Bird was not going to miss the clutch...
What is LeBron real talent? What makes him a top 10 contender? All he is is an above average player that has played 21 years and counting... The only moves I recall from him are illegal travels and charges, and belive me I'm trying here.
LeBron is arguably the best at driving to the basket. But he only gets away with this because he never gets called for traveling. If he got called for traveling that would eliminate 80% of LeBron's offensive bag
@@Christo_Trismegistus I mean, I get your point but if you have to travel or charge, you are not the best. you are just a bully and a cheater.
Amazing breakdown, thank you.
Happy birthday 🎁🎁🎁 bro, Excellent breakdowns
Thank you!!!
Imma Canucks fan in 2011 it was a fun ride going there, but it hurts losing the cup that year, and I think about it all the time
A lot of MJ's shots were long 2's so I'd bet if he grew up with a 3pt line like players drafted in the late 90s and after did he'd be a lot better at 3pt shooting.
Best comparison I've seen! Never was debate 🤦🏾♂️💯
You're crazy. LeBron is the GOAT because MJ's sons never made it to the NBA. The day Bronny got drafted, that made LeBron the official GOAT in all of sports history
not trying to blow smoke up my own a55 but this video takes so many points I have been making for years and years on youtube, down to the per game VORP stat, stuff literally nobody was saying at the time anywhere. I was making these comments to anybody who would read them on endless videos here...looks like somebody did actually read them, Danger Productions 😉
But I'm glad, it needs to be said...
DangerProduction really went for it here lol. Props to you for knowing your stuff ahead of the curve
MJ is my goat because he had respect for the game. He took loses on the chin and came back better. He didn't cheat. He didn't stack the deck. He never ran from a challenge.
I want to be like Lebron. Said nobody ever (See I want to be like Mike)
Just wanna point out, West 2.6 steals per game is at the tail end of his career when they started tracking strals.
Guy probably avg just as many as prime Jordan while in his own prime
Anytime Penny Hardaway gets a shout out I love it.
oh I love Penny. He was so awesome pre injuries