I picked it off the book shelf so I could flick through it and listen along to this video and ended up pausing kayfabe and reading the whole thing. So good.
I still have my well worn and well read original copy of the Dark Horse Presents 5th anniversary special. I bought it for Sin City but there was a lot of other great stuff in there as well. It introduced me to the writing of Andrew Vachss who I've been following ever since.
Not to detract from your point re: the industry *as a whole*, Max Collins was doing plenty of detective / hard-boiled stuff for the decade preceding this. It even landed him at DC, who published 'Ms Tree Quarterly' for a couple years (Ms Tree Quarterly ran from 90-92 at DC; Sin City first started serialization in 91)
@Robert Negoesco Gonna have to go back and look at them again. Stylistically I always found it fun to look at. But I can't vouch for the stories, which I haven't read since I was a teen. I also want to dig out the Quarterlies because they also contain stories featuring Spirit-pastiche character Midnight.
Great discussion, especially with Tom back in there. A precursor to Sin City that was mentioned at the time was, obviously, Steranko's Chandler: Red Tide book. Years ago I got hold of the French version, which, in black and white is about ten times more powerful than the color edition we saw over here. Steranko seemed to be trying to recreate the feeling of noir cinema rather than old crime comics and it's kind of a shock to find out the whole thing was shot from pencils. There were plans to do an Artist's Edition, but like many Steranko projects it's on perpetual hold.
I love Ed's story about asking Speigelman about SIN CITY, WHICH TO BE FAIR I AM NOT A FAN OF, AND THAT IVE NEVER READ. Yet, still , having had my own strange altercations about Maus lately, which I thought was baked into that cake years ago, I mean Ive known Jewish doctors who, knowing I was a graphic artist tole me that they just HATED that book, I must say I find it perfect that a man who turned the Holocaust into basically Tom and Jerry, was put off my the vileness in a pulpy book which stole Mickey Spillane's soul. I am reminded me of the first Don in the godfather part 2, walking away from the Sicilian puppet show, which Coppola stole from an Italian movie called Mafioso, I think, by a Roman filmmaker. By the way I read some of Mickey Spillane's comics, and like slumming Italian, Mario Puzo, they had the perfect cadence to pull off comics before men like Speigelman turned them all in to a dreadful art form.
Great video, guys. 41:04 - I have to agree. By that chapter, Miller had found his stride on Sin City. The drawings look even more confident than previous installments The panel of Marv up off the floor, holding onto the window bars and pulling with all his might. It was a delight buying that issue off the shelf and delving further into the world of Marv and Sin City. Great stuff, Guys, keep the commentary videos coming!
Great discussion on this first story! I'd heard that Miller's later work is off the rails (including some later Sin City works), but I recently read Martha Washington for the first time and I loved it!
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Miller definitely drew influence from Argentine comic artists like José Muñoz and Alberto Breccia for Sin City... Check out Sinner and Mort Cinder!
yes on Mort Cinder!
Also from Eduardo Risso, check out Parque Chas (1987). The whole agrentine-italian ciarooscuro tradition is a notable influence.
Jim not understanding "fedora culture" is the most beautiful thing ever.
I picked it off the book shelf so I could flick through it and listen along to this video and ended up pausing kayfabe and reading the whole thing. So good.
I still have my well worn and well read original copy of the Dark Horse Presents 5th anniversary special. I bought it for Sin City but there was a lot of other great stuff in there as well. It introduced me to the writing of Andrew Vachss who I've been following ever since.
Not to detract from your point re: the industry *as a whole*, Max Collins was doing plenty of detective / hard-boiled stuff for the decade preceding this. It even landed him at DC, who published 'Ms Tree Quarterly' for a couple years (Ms Tree Quarterly ran from 90-92 at DC; Sin City first started serialization in 91)
Somerset Holmes, Cinder & Ashe, and Detectives Inc. were awesome crime books from the 80's as well.
@Robert Negoesco Gonna have to go back and look at them again. Stylistically I always found it fun to look at. But I can't vouch for the stories, which I haven't read since I was a teen. I also want to dig out the Quarterlies because they also contain stories featuring Spirit-pastiche character Midnight.
back in the day i heard miller say geof darrow was the model for kevin
Yes.
Great discussion, especially with Tom back in there. A precursor to Sin City that was mentioned at the time was, obviously, Steranko's Chandler: Red Tide book. Years ago I got hold of the French version, which, in black and white is about ten times more powerful than the color edition we saw over here. Steranko seemed to be trying to recreate the feeling of noir cinema rather than old crime comics and it's kind of a shock to find out the whole thing was shot from pencils. There were plans to do an Artist's Edition, but like many Steranko projects it's on perpetual hold.
I love these guys. So great.
I love Ed's story about asking Speigelman about SIN CITY, WHICH TO BE FAIR I AM NOT A FAN OF, AND THAT IVE NEVER READ. Yet, still , having had my own strange altercations about Maus lately, which I thought was baked into that cake years ago, I mean Ive known Jewish doctors who, knowing I was a graphic artist tole me that they just HATED that book, I must say I find it perfect that a man who turned the Holocaust into basically Tom and Jerry, was put off my the vileness in a pulpy book which stole Mickey Spillane's soul. I am reminded me of the first Don in the godfather part 2, walking away from the Sicilian puppet show, which Coppola stole from an Italian movie called Mafioso, I think, by a Roman filmmaker. By the way I read some of Mickey Spillane's comics, and like slumming Italian, Mario Puzo, they had the perfect cadence to pull off comics before men like Speigelman turned them all in to a dreadful art form.
That first sincity tpb kept me reading comics when I was kid. I just ordered that artist edition. Great show, keep doing them:)
Great video, guys. 41:04 - I have to agree. By that chapter, Miller had found his stride on Sin City. The drawings look even more confident than previous installments The panel of Marv up off the floor, holding onto the window bars and pulling with all his might. It was a delight buying that issue off the shelf and delving further into the world of Marv and Sin City. Great stuff, Guys, keep the commentary videos coming!
I would love you guys to look at Darwyn Cooke. He did noir in such a different way.
Sin City changed my life.
Can you show us that large Curator's Edition book you have?
Sin City brought me back into comics in 1996.
16:56 is great
The crew!!! Always dropping knowledge!!!! (Pay close attention my people!!!!!)
Great discussion on this first story! I'd heard that Miller's later work is off the rails (including some later Sin City works), but I recently read Martha Washington for the first time and I loved it!
Frank Miller said he's working on a prequel Sin City story set in the Wild West.
Damn I missed Tom. Glad to have him back.
Anyone think that Senator Roark resembles Jim Shooter...or is that just me haha
Sin City was an outlaw comic done by one of the geniuses of the medium. Sadly, it was the last great Frank Miller work.
Congratulations, guys. By the way, when are you going to make the next Akira video? Cheers. :)
Great show guys! Love these commentary episodes. Piece of feedback... Not sure if you can fix in post, but some of the audio is clipping hard.
--his brother does the logo !
Baldie. She says her name is Baldie.
DHP!!!