*LOL, if you have rooftop solar you can charge an EV free and the servicing is around once every 3-4yrs and it costs less than gas cars, the motor has one moving part, no transmission far more efficient, you really think people enjoy paying $100 to fill a tank of gas, wake up idiot.*
*Ah nostalgia, the blinded ability to see good in everything bad, cars on average improve as technology gets better, you can now buy Tesla Model-3 for $37,000 using roof top solar fill it free and service it every 4yrs, add $99/month FSD and it will drive itself, get the performance version is will accelerate faster than a MERC AMG for half the price, use roof top solar charge it free and you want cars of 27yrs ago, lol, dumbass.*
@@-108- I like some of the design elements, but they'd need to be more modernized than their leaded engine designs and later on the gas shortage designs. Nah, I'll stick with my 90s cars.
My next door neighbor has a 2014 Tesla Model S. After a bit over 300K miles the battery "died" he went to Tesla and they said it would be around $20K to replace or around $15K to recondition. Instead he went to the Electrified Garage in Pompano Beach and they did a reconditioning for 5K with a 1 year warranty. That was about a year ago and he is still driving the car today. BTW, there's a place in TX that you can ship your car to them and they will recondition your battery for around $3K. Shipping round trip would be around $1400. One final note. It's just like you said, going to the dealer is too expensive, so you go to the Aftermarket. Most of the cars with dead batteries are cars have well over 300K miles. Reality is that most Gas powered cars don't last 300K miles so we're kind of talking about the same thing here. Personally I drive close to 50K miles a year and an electric car saves my well over $1000 a month in fuel. After a decade those savings are in excess of $100K, so if I had to pay $20K to replace my battery it would still be worth it. Truth is however that batteries are getting cheaper. Hell I could go to Alibaba RIGHT NOW and order all 7104 cells for just 48 cents each! What's that? $3400 plus maybe $1500 for shipping? Sure you still have to pay someone to do the work, but even that should only be a couple thousand. To top it off, these new cells have a higher energy density, so the pack would actually have a higher energy rating. PLUS once everything is said and done there are LOTS of companies that pay between $300-$1000 just for used lithium battery scrap for recycling.
So it's unusual to measure car repairs by weight, IE tons. So how many in numbers of cars are you talking about?? As recorded here, batteries are normally rebuilt for a fraction of the 20k replacement. Also worth noting that I have never had a car last 300k miles. So whilst I don't doubt that some cars last longer than 300k. But you can hardly say 300k is a short lifespan. Also it's clear the newer Model 3 and Y last longer.
My favorite repair story from a couple years ago was when my 91 Harley starter went out. I took it to a little shop about 5 miles from home . Young guy at the counter yelled "hey dad how long for a Harley starter?" Dad in the back yelled back " four o'clock" . Cost me 70 bucks!
My wife's Matrix had the same issue - repair shop had a used Toyota starter on the shelf and put it in for $90 in 30 minutes. It's been working great ever since, and that's got to be 10 years ago.
EV manufacturers claimed battery packs would outlive the vehicles, reality is tons of still perfectly good EVs will get scrapped due to replacement batteries being impossible to find for a reasonable price beyond the warranty period. And even during the warranty period, people may get screwed by sub-par salvage or refurb battery. This may be the beginning of the end for proprietary monolithic battery packs. For EVs to be sustainable, there needs to be modular standards so packs can be replaced one faulty module at a time for 1/10th the price.
I've been thinking along similar lines, we need multiple smaller battery packs in EVs, and standardization, and standard charging systems. It's still early days for the technology, and things will have to improve, but until they do EVs are for early adopters and not ready for the mass market.
@@ziploc2000 I agree, but manufacturers are obsessed with range, which right now means bigger batteries and more resources leading to higher sticker prices. We're in an EV death spiral..
@@tonyb3629 Just put in even bigger capacity batteries, and there'll be big money for the manufacturers, when time comes for the batteries replacement.
@@latitudeash Even within the 8yr warranty period, they will find a way to blame the owner for the failure. That's just how car manufacturers work. This is why so many Tesla owners sell their vehicles at the first signs of charging problems.
Funny Just found a 35 thousand mile 1950 Dodge that sat since 1977 had it running driving and going down the road for less then 500 bucks and 24 hours.Wonder how well a 74 year old Tesla runs lol
love me some MOPARS...I grew up on them as my grandpa ran a Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge dealership here in Georgia from 1946 to 1977! Glad you got that car running & hope you drive it every where
There is nothing created in the last few years that has the potential to last more than a decade, tops. By that I mean big ticket items such as large appliances (EV's included) or even McMansions & the laughable build "quality" of all the condos & townhouses that are popping up & destroying every last bit of green space on planet earth. Throwing things away & developing til grass & trees only exist in museums is how we save the planet. Your Harley will still rev when every tesla manufacturered returns to dust.
That's fine, but be real. In the next few months, you're going to be replacing everything rubber and/or not metal, but still likely metal, on it as you drive it more. A chain of failures and leaks. All the lines, fuel, brake, injectors, carbs, gaskets, pumps. It's drivable for now, but this whole comment is a weak boomer take. You're about to drop 5-10k very soon. (Not that it's not worth it, or not a sweet ride), but this isn't the argument that is going to hold water against what we both despise. I have to ask, if you've ever watched a TH-cam vid (even just here on Hoovie's channel), of buying a an old classic that has sat for years, decades, that drove fine for 500 miles, only to require major servicing after everything that had been stagnant started moving again and taking on loads. Ignorant and short-sighted as fuck.
I disagree with April on 1 thing: Batteries in cellphones haven’t become better over time. They have only become larger and are now basically not replaceable anymore. Coming from the automotive industry, I can also say that “simply” becoming certified for EV repairs isn’t that simple. Besides special education regarding high voltage system work, there’s also the CI compliance and workspace regulations! You’re (usually) not allowed to work on EV within X amount of feet from flammable materials, standard cars etc., making space requirements more difficult. In addition you need new, very expensive tools. The CI clearance, tools and education can be around US$ 400000.- for a small repair shop with 4 mechanics! Additionally you have the issue of handling (= getting rid of) the old batteries, as well as insurance issues should some customer’s battery ignite. Fun & entertaining video, and April is as gorgeous as always! Best wishes
People just don't properly maintain their battery with a few simple rules: 1) Never leave the battery at full charge for long periods of time; 2) Vary the charge level; 3) long time storage (>1 day) keep the battery SOC between 50-80%; 4) if the battery's thermal control is not that great avoid fast charging beyond 240 volt chargers. I'm still on my original 2011 Nissan Leaf battery (no thermal control) and it still can be fully charged in all modules with the normal range degradation (right now about 65% the original range). The car has gone through 3 accessory batteries (regular car battery) and 4 key fob batteries in that time so far.
I was using my Galaxy Note 3 (released 2013) until October last year. Was on it's 3rd battery...which costs $10 from eBay and can be replaced in 30 seconds with a fingernail.
I still have my Nokia brick. It's the only phone that operates perfectly when I'm working underground. It's been dropped hundreds of times, you just put it back together and it's happy again. It's been dropped in water many times and once dry it's fine. I'm 49 and I'm fairly sure one day my son will receive it in my will. Not just the brick obviously. Or hopefully not just a Nokia brick lol.
Yeahh no way. Exactly what he said the systems have been shut down for a long time now why are you lying 🤣🤣 also I remember the biggest killers of those phones were water or humidity. Absolutely destroyed them! They were shitty af everyone is just being a sheep and following what everyone else sais about them. My phone now is water proof and have never had issues 🤷🏻♂️
*Your son will not want an old brick phone, most kids will not be interested in the toys of the past, you never see a 7yr old kid asking dad for some old piece of crap phone.*
The reason the Nokia works well underground is because it utilizes shorter wave bands. It's probably 600-800mhz. Most 3/4G phones work in the 1200-1900Mhz arena, so longer waves which travel further away from the towers, but they also are much more easily disrupted, by things like brick walls and dirt. Unfortunately though TMobile WILL be shutting down the last 2G network very soon. It was supposed to happen in April, but they've delayed it.
Mostly unrelated to this - I saw a Fisker Karma in the wild yesterday in MN. I was actually shocked that there was one up here. It was parked, not moving though... 😄
I'm sure battery technology and aftermarket replacements will improve. I can't imagine junking a car after only 10 years of ownership. We're still driving the 2005 Corolla that we bought new and it's parked beside our 2006 Matrix. The odometers on both are around the 300,000 mark and they still look and run great.
The battery will eventually improve, but there will always be something else to replace that is so difficult and catastrophic to get to that you have no choice but to junk it. Manufacturers want to get cars to a point that they're like cell phones. 5 to 8 years, and you turn it in for a new one.
We already live in a disposal car society. Shopping for my daughter's first car, lots fulls of 100s of great condition mid/late 2000s Kias, Hyundais and Nissans with bad transmissions and engines... And this was during 2021/2022 used car price craziness and they still weren't worth fixing.
Yeah, we had three young drivers within a 3 year period and for a first car I bought them a 1997 Mercedes C230. They drove it for 5 years and I was comfortable that it was safe enough and not too fast for low skill drivers. Now that they have experience we share 3 Tesla’s among 5 drivers and if I had to do it all over again I wouldn’t change a thing.
@@antoinepageau8336 BULL-SHIZNIT!! After seeing what their friends have gone through with EV's and Hybrids, all 3 of my kids (now in their 20's) were smart enough to say NO to a worthless ev or hybrid. Oh and we don't have to share vehicles, my kids have homes and ICE vehicles of their own.
True that we already live in a disposable car society, but a new engine/transmission isn't going to cost you 20K so the life of an ICE vehicle is going to be much longer than an EV. Most EV's are going to be mechanically totaled in 10-15 years, but most ICE vehicles are still on the road for 20+ years.
Evs have much better battery management systems. I drive a 10 year old tesla model s (2014, model s 60) it has 130k miles on it. From factory in 2014 it promised 208 miles. When I first bought it in 2021 I range test it and got 212 miles. I have in 2024 gotten 210 miles. I'll admit I don't every single time, if I drive crazy, or weather is really bad I get maybe 10-20% less, but still on road trips, I get 95-100% initial promised range. I've put 70k miles on it in 3 years and road tripped from sd to humboldt. Back down, over to tucson. And back to sd, nothing but great times.
Based on the history milage tesla, you are looking at 250,000 miles. So better make plans to replace it or to buy a new car. My car is near 20 years old and it's future replacement is anther sub $3,000 old car.
@@jackgreenstalk777 It's a bit shaky when a person doesn't know if they're going to get that experience or if a random module is going to go bad and the entire battery needs to be replaced. I bought a Prius with nearly a quarter million miles on it and even I don't feel comfortable buying a decently used EV for the reason it might randomly total itself in repair costs.
battery tech has already improved since these early model S, but yeah we need some government mandate to 1/ have a battery capacity meter like an odometer that is mandatory and needs to appear in all sales documents 2/ force builder to do modular repairs on batteries: i.e. design the packs so modules can be replaced instead of the whole thing OR make the full replacement cheap
This is already possible. They prefer to replace whole pack so they can evaluate it all, find any bad cells remove them. Replace them and make a proper refurb that won't die in a few months. Some chose to replace just the "brick" which there is up to 9 in a model s, replacing the brick is reliable. And part cost about 1k labor depends where you live. But even shipped cross country to gruber or unplugged performance, with a few thousand in labor and shipping its under 5k, not 20k+ nightmare often touted in media. Even 20k is about same as many fancy foreign cars engines to be fixed in around 150k miles
I think the same thing happens with engines or even transmissions now. Any older European vehicle is as expensive or more than a battery even when replacing with a used part.
Model 3/y can get full battery replacement for about $6500. I think the company is called recell. Cheaper than some a lot of crate engines I've replaced. I don't know much about the company though, bit they do warranty the replacement.
Several big companies are investing in EV battery recycling and reconditioning both. As time goes by you can be assured that there will be more people with working solutions. As Always, May God Bless you and yours!
New ICE vehicles are disposable as well, especially the smaller cars. GM's Trax went from an already small 1.4L turbo 4 to an even smaller 1.2L turbe 3 cylinder- in a larger vehicle with the redesign. these engines are running maxxed out just during normal driving and are generally considered unrepairable.
this is the reason why i want to make laws that basically require support for vehicles and large appliances sold for atleast 30 years, and after manufacturers MUST release part details and repair instructions. MORE OVER requiring standardization of components and publishing specifications that can be used to develop aftermarket parts for the vehicles.
There *WAS* supposed to be an option to rent a battery and have it replaced at a service station when the life was up. There are recycling facilities popping up that take your old batteries and extract the metals to make a recycled battery.
The solution has already been found. Insurance companies are now pricing tesla's extremely high or refusing them altogether which closes the loop on cost of ownership. Simple capitalism at work.
Why? Insurance doesn’t care what your out of warranty repair costs. Insurance is based on vehicle safety and theft. Tesla is #1 in safety and extremely low theft.
@@aussie2uGAwhen a car is mechanically totaled there is a high chance that owner bump it to a tree or something to file an insurance claim and get it paid by the insurance as a functional vehicle.
The difference between my wife’s 2012 Mazda 3 and my 2022 Kia EV6 is less than $10 per month for insurance. Her car was originally approximately $18k and mine was approximately $52k sticker price. Being 10 years newer, mine certainly has a higher residual value. Sure, my car is not a Tesla, but it is still an EV.
My '03 Ford Crown Vic has 200,000 miles on it and will probably go that much more and I don't have to worry about it burning down a parking garage or my house.
I do not understand why people are so shocked about the $20,000 replacement costs of a battery. I had my engine locked up on my 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8l and if the Hyundai did not cover any of the cost it would have been a $20,000 engine replacement since they do not make that engine anymore. They had to build the engine at the dealership and then install it. I am sure any can where they do not make the engine anymore would be a similar cost
The batteries were supposed to be recycled by Tesla, Tesla was supposed to be nearly closed loop by now, requiring no mined metals. Instead, the guy tasked with that, JB Straubel, quit after Tesla had not managed to recycle the materials in a single battery in 12 years. He owns his own recycling company now.
And he and others recylce nearly 100% of all past ev batteries. Their only issue is so FEW ev batteries have died, its early bolts, roadsters etc. Which can be fixed at gruber motors in roadster case and model s and x can be fixed there, as well as electified garage, unplugged performance, ev republic, reel deel ev, etc and if one isnt near you shipping the car to them is still often cheaper then buying entirely new battery. If it does need replaced it can be done more affordably with refurb or crash damaged totaled cars that sell healthy packs (cars totaled for vandalism etc) @@criticalevent
@@mikehurt3290They make _new_ batteries out of stuff they scrape out of the ground-- an old battery already has all those same elements right there in one package.
This is a great example of how laughable it is to "go green" with disposable crap. From cars to appliances, making items that do not last or that are easily maintainable is NOT green, doesn't matter how you want to market it.
A lithium battery can be damaged/degraded really fast for a number of reasons. People with battery powered mowers usually ruin the battery right away because they know nothing about how to maintain them and keep them healthy for maximum life.
No! Surely we can consume our way out of climate change!!!? It's so laughable people swallow the EV nonsense it's sad. EV's are laudable if you live in a city and mostly commute small distances to and from work - you are reducing local tailpipe emissions, and it's probably going to be cheaper to run than a ICE (depending on how much you spend on it) - but that's all they are good for.
all evs have a master service disconnect{MSD} this disconnects the battery so it can be safely serviced i learned this in my fire dept training. there are guides that show the locations and disconnect procedures
@@biggestsignlol when? I’ve out 65k miles in 3 years on my model 3 the last time I supercharged was in December….as you can tell I drive quite a bit I’ve had 0 maintenance other than 1 set of tires and 1 set of windshield wipers….and it still has 97% of the original charge…having said all that I won’t own it once the 120k mile warranty expires.
The batteries are recyclable but have to be handled extremely careful. Otherwise the plant might blow up like the one in Scotland a few weeks ago. That was scary 😳😬
Robby Layton has a body shop, and while he has adapted the battery lift for other uses, the lift cost him $10,000 to purchase for his shop. How many smaller shops or body shops can or will lay out that kind of money to repair these cars?
So, my besty got a new Macan S in 2015. Drove it hard, serviced it hard, to 145k miles. At 145k, engine started making a slight tick. Tick got louder and louder. Took it to dealership, engine is toast. New engine is $20k. Macan is totaled. What’s different here than the Tesla? This isn’t specific to EVs…
@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg no, I only chose to comment because that engine cannot/is not rebuilt. The failure is the block, scoring. It must be replaced with either a new or used one, just like this battery. The similarities were just too great not to comment and highlight them.
@@2009spoc some maybe. This is an alusil block with a plasma arc spray coating. Once the coating is scored it must be replaced. Again, I only chose to comment because of the similarities here. If the engine could just be rebuilt, I would not have commented. If you want ALL the details, the ticking was only a failing turbocharger. Before investing $12-15k in removing the engine to replace both turbos and the “while you’re there’s”, everyone figured it prudent to scope the cylinders for scoring first. Guess what we found…the end of the road.
That is changing rapidly brother. When it costs 50-100k to get a new one i will happily pay 8k for a new motor and get another 200-300k out of my truck
That's not much good if you can only buy from the people doing the huge mark up. Correction: It's good/great for them, no good to anybody else. China to the rescue?
I've been driving a 1972 Ford Pinto Squire wagon for over 35 years. I have replaced the engine once. Did the work myself. Didn't cost much. I've also been driving a 1964 Ford Fairlane for almost 20 years. I bought that with no engine or transmission. I pulled an engine and transmission out of a '71 Ford LTD and put in the Fairlane. Still runs great. There are over 20 different engines that will fit in that car. I may wind up dong a V8 swap on the Pinto. Unless they get totally destroyed or rust away (and cars don't rust in AZ, where I am) older cars are literally immortal.
Modern ICE cars are definitely not worth fixing a lot of times too. So complex like you said. Well no one’s going to want to restore or keep fixing these ultimate leasing machines
If anyone thinks Karma is not a real thing just watch a GMY upload and see how all the good and honest sales Tyler has made, he once sold a Cayenne to a 70 + year old man for $5 after fixing its issues. Yes he’s had some personal things happen recently but I’d say he landed in his feet with a second YT channel and a freakin gorgeous GF co host! I hope more positives come your way!!
An EV is an appliance, You can't think about it like a traditional car. Its more like your fridge or your TV. The issue is the premium they charge does not support this model today. When someone designs an EV with a simple and affordable way to replace the battery then we can think about them more like a traditional car again.
@@ayedee6681 It's one way to go. I like the idea of leasing the battery but is there a business model? Many retired car batteries are put to use in stationary situations as there is still a lot of life left. It depends on living situation...I have my own garage and don't drive that many miles so I'm better off owning my own. I know how it's been treated from the beginning.
@@SingleTrackMinedThe battery is deteriorating every day since it was created by the manufacturer. If you don’t drive many miles/year, then either a BEV or Hybrid are bad ideas. 🥶🔥🖕🇨🇳
Nio has stations to replace them like a vending machine.. maybe some kind of exchange program.. what if they write code in them so the die right after warranty is up ?
My buddy can't wait till his 36 months leased model 3 is up. He keeps track of how many months. Everything thinks its an UBER and he has had people try to get in, then get mad at him.
Companies such as Li-Cyle (Rochester, NY) are recycling these used batteries 8:25 Also, just like the early computers, I believe batteries will become much more compact and efficient.
With recycling issues how many wreckiing yards today will balk at buying a vehicle with a battery that they are not equipped to remove and recycle? How far would they have to ship the large and heavy battery asstembly to a facility qualified to recycle it?
There is no fixing any of the battery packs... we RC modelers knew this 15 years ago with our multicell Lipos... once one cell goes and starts showing balance problems... the others are not too far behind. the only solution is an entire pack. then the issue of the Motors and ESCs... ECS are the next thing to go. silicon carbide MOSFETs in them also have a finite life... and when one shorts or fails open inside... the rest quickly follow because they are often multiple devices that have been selected to match. ICE rules for one reason and one reason only... mechanical parts that can be replaced.
lots of good battery info in this, and yes you can short term fix batteries by replacing individual cells but it will increase the rate of failure in other cells because you added new cells that are soo out of spec with the current cells. The only thing I'm baffled by is Elon didn't hide this, you knew you'd have to replace the battery pack and that the cost of that battery was almost half the cost of the car, so I'm just confused how its news.
EV’s will end up in people’s driveways or on the street abandoned because the batteries are simply too expensive to replace and the wrecking yards won’t want to deal with the batteries. They’re a disposable vehicle for people with disposable income.
@@aussie2uGA I’m m not sure about Aussi land antics, but we have transmission shops that will rebuild them. Rebuilding an EV battery still hasn’t taken place yet and because of the dangers likely never will.
This is something I predicted as soon as EVs came out, I was familiar with Lion batteries from model helicopters. The electricity is cheap, but the cost of battery replacements likely costs more than just buying gas for 10 years. An average person spends about 2k per year on fuel so 22k for battery replacement is a bit more expensive than gas, and the electricity just costs extra.
Batteries can now be fully recycled, broken bown to base minerals then used to remanufacture. Something does need to be done for the end consumer though.
Batteries are getting recycled or repurposed. No one is throwing them away. I do agree that there needs to be a better aftermarket repair community to keep them going in order for them to be sustainable.
Yes, I got some solar power station "deals" with used cells, apparently, because they quickly degraded and won`t hold a charge. And it`s wrong to sell people degraded, dangerous cells inside expensive products people depend on for emergency power. But they`re doing this as a way to dispose of them. And these products go in dumpsters usually.
Do you know how much effort it takes to recycle a lithium battery? Agree repurposing is good - but if a battery has dead cells, as Hoovie mentioned, any repairs to it can't be trusted long term.
Lets junk a car after only 10 years. Yes, that's SO environmentally friendly. What a joke. EV's need to go the way of the Dodo Bird. And Elon Musk is a Snake Oil Salesman. The gig is up Elon. Your cars are a scam.
10 years old, out of warranty. Send it to Electrified Garage. $3-5k vs $20k is a no brainer. Long term solution is an aftermarket replacement battery. You got the 🏦 and 🥚 🥚 to make them there's a market. I suggest prismatic batteries.
The batteries are going to end up on land fills, they react to rain by starting on fire, and all of our landfills will start ablaze. Welcome to the beginning of the end.
90's and 2000's cars that can be repaired by DIY'ers and current mechanics are going to hold value and stay on the roads for a long, long time.
*LOL, if you have rooftop solar you can charge an EV free and the servicing is around once every 3-4yrs and it costs less than gas cars, the motor has one moving part, no transmission far more efficient, you really think people enjoy paying $100 to fill a tank of gas, wake up idiot.*
They're working every day to get rid of parts so you can't fix your car.
We just need to go back to 90s and early 00s cars. They were the best back then.
Many of us still own, and drive them daily.
*Ah nostalgia, the blinded ability to see good in everything bad, cars on average improve as technology gets better, you can now buy Tesla Model-3 for $37,000 using roof top solar fill it free and service it every 4yrs, add $99/month FSD and it will drive itself, get the performance version is will accelerate faster than a MERC AMG for half the price, use roof top solar charge it free and you want cars of 27yrs ago, lol, dumbass.*
Yeah, simple robust and easy to fix in comparison to these new machines! Complexity is the enemy of reliability
Oh hayull nah! We need to go back to the '50s-'70s if we want the best cars ever.
@@-108- I like some of the design elements, but they'd need to be more modernized than their leaded engine designs and later on the gas shortage designs.
Nah, I'll stick with my 90s cars.
My next door neighbor has a 2014 Tesla Model S. After a bit over 300K miles the battery "died" he went to Tesla and they said it would be around $20K to replace or around $15K to recondition. Instead he went to the Electrified Garage in Pompano Beach and they did a reconditioning for 5K with a 1 year warranty. That was about a year ago and he is still driving the car today. BTW, there's a place in TX that you can ship your car to them and they will recondition your battery for around $3K. Shipping round trip would be around $1400. One final note. It's just like you said, going to the dealer is too expensive, so you go to the Aftermarket. Most of the cars with dead batteries are cars have well over 300K miles. Reality is that most Gas powered cars don't last 300K miles so we're kind of talking about the same thing here. Personally I drive close to 50K miles a year and an electric car saves my well over $1000 a month in fuel. After a decade those savings are in excess of $100K, so if I had to pay $20K to replace my battery it would still be worth it. Truth is however that batteries are getting cheaper. Hell I could go to Alibaba RIGHT NOW and order all 7104 cells for just 48 cents each! What's that? $3400 plus maybe $1500 for shipping? Sure you still have to pay someone to do the work, but even that should only be a couple thousand. To top it off, these new cells have a higher energy density, so the pack would actually have a higher energy rating. PLUS once everything is said and done there are LOTS of companies that pay between $300-$1000 just for used lithium battery scrap for recycling.
So it's unusual to measure car repairs by weight, IE tons. So how many in numbers of cars are you talking about?? As recorded here, batteries are normally rebuilt for a fraction of the 20k replacement. Also worth noting that I have never had a car last 300k miles. So whilst I don't doubt that some cars last longer than 300k. But you can hardly say 300k is a short lifespan. Also it's clear the newer Model 3 and Y last longer.
My favorite repair story from a couple years ago was when my 91 Harley starter went out. I took it to a little shop about 5 miles from home . Young guy at the counter yelled "hey dad how long for a Harley starter?" Dad in the back yelled back " four o'clock" . Cost me 70 bucks!
Are they also EMP proof?
But the embarrassment of driving a Harley…
My wife's Matrix had the same issue - repair shop had a used Toyota starter on the shelf and put it in for $90 in 30 minutes. It's been working great ever since, and that's got to be 10 years ago.
Did it do 666-666km like the Tesla in Australia did when it got its first battery changed.... ?
@@kylereese4822 Tesla haters are like loud, annoying leftists who don’t want to hear the truth.
EV manufacturers claimed battery packs would outlive the vehicles, reality is tons of still perfectly good EVs will get scrapped due to replacement batteries being impossible to find for a reasonable price beyond the warranty period. And even during the warranty period, people may get screwed by sub-par salvage or refurb battery. This may be the beginning of the end for proprietary monolithic battery packs. For EVs to be sustainable, there needs to be modular standards so packs can be replaced one faulty module at a time for 1/10th the price.
Why do you think Tesla battery swap instead of charging died. They know batteries will die after the 8yr guarantee.
I've been thinking along similar lines, we need multiple smaller battery packs in EVs, and standardization, and standard charging systems.
It's still early days for the technology, and things will have to improve, but until they do EVs are for early adopters and not ready for the mass market.
@@ziploc2000 I agree, but manufacturers are obsessed with range, which right now means bigger batteries and more resources leading to higher sticker prices. We're in an EV death spiral..
@@tonyb3629 Just put in even bigger capacity batteries, and there'll be big money for the manufacturers, when time comes for the batteries replacement.
@@latitudeash Even within the 8yr warranty period, they will find a way to blame the owner for the failure. That's just how car manufacturers work. This is why so many Tesla owners sell their vehicles at the first signs of charging problems.
Funny Just found a 35 thousand mile 1950 Dodge that sat since 1977 had it running driving and going down the road for less then 500 bucks and 24 hours.Wonder how well a 74 year old Tesla runs lol
Very common use case
In 70 years the new tesla battery will be 40 bucks at best buy
love me some MOPARS...I grew up on them as my grandpa ran a Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge dealership here in Georgia from 1946 to 1977! Glad you got that car running & hope you drive it every where
There is nothing created in the last few years that has the potential to last more than a decade, tops.
By that I mean big ticket items such as large appliances (EV's included) or even McMansions & the laughable build "quality" of all the condos & townhouses that are popping up & destroying every last bit of green space on planet earth.
Throwing things away & developing til grass & trees only exist in museums is how we save the planet. Your Harley will still rev when every tesla manufacturered returns to dust.
That's fine, but be real. In the next few months, you're going to be replacing everything rubber and/or not metal, but still likely metal, on it as you drive it more. A chain of failures and leaks.
All the lines, fuel, brake, injectors, carbs, gaskets, pumps.
It's drivable for now, but this whole comment is a weak boomer take. You're about to drop 5-10k very soon. (Not that it's not worth it, or not a sweet ride), but this isn't the argument that is going to hold water against what we both despise.
I have to ask, if you've ever watched a TH-cam vid (even just here on Hoovie's channel), of buying a an old classic that has sat for years, decades, that drove fine for 500 miles, only to require major servicing after everything that had been stagnant started moving again and taking on loads.
Ignorant and short-sighted as fuck.
BYD made the Nokia brick batteries. Now they are making cars!
I disagree with April on 1 thing:
Batteries in cellphones haven’t become better over time. They have only become larger and are now basically not replaceable anymore.
Coming from the automotive industry, I can also say that “simply” becoming certified for EV repairs isn’t that simple.
Besides special education regarding high voltage system work, there’s also the CI compliance and workspace regulations!
You’re (usually) not allowed to work on EV within X amount of feet from flammable materials, standard cars etc., making space requirements more difficult.
In addition you need new, very expensive tools.
The CI clearance, tools and education can be around US$ 400000.- for a small repair shop with 4 mechanics!
Additionally you have the issue of handling (= getting rid of) the old batteries, as well as insurance issues should some customer’s battery ignite.
Fun & entertaining video, and April is as gorgeous as always!
Best wishes
They don’t pay her for her brains…
After getting bitten by the Cybertruck, Hoovie takes it out to the gravel pit ...
Great song by Wu-Tang.
😂😂😂
Been a throw away society since the 2000's. It's time to go back to simple and effective cars.
I just had an old man TV show flashback. When Hoovie flexed his noodle arm, it reminded me of Bowser from Sha Na Na.
The best option is to keep GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR BUSINESS and let the consumer buy what they want!
Most underrated comment, should have hundreds of likes.
People just don't properly maintain their battery with a few simple rules: 1) Never leave the battery at full charge for long periods of time; 2) Vary the charge level; 3) long time storage (>1 day) keep the battery SOC between 50-80%; 4) if the battery's thermal control is not that great avoid fast charging beyond 240 volt chargers. I'm still on my original 2011 Nissan Leaf battery (no thermal control) and it still can be fully charged in all modules with the normal range degradation (right now about 65% the original range). The car has gone through 3 accessory batteries (regular car battery) and 4 key fob batteries in that time so far.
Dear Elon.
In 2001 I bought a Casio watch, I'm on the 3rd strap and the 7th battery.
#stillworking
And Casio is still selling tons of watches
I was using my Galaxy Note 3 (released 2013) until October last year. Was on it's 3rd battery...which costs $10 from eBay and can be replaced in 30 seconds with a fingernail.
I'm going send him a tweet and use that # 😆
How's your Casio car treating you?
@@JeanPierreWhite
Well it has less rust than a cyber truck, no sharp edges and any gaps are even. 😆
I Like hearing April Rose on the radio with Steve Gorman Rocks!
I still have my Nokia brick. It's the only phone that operates perfectly when I'm working underground. It's been dropped hundreds of times, you just put it back together and it's happy again. It's been dropped in water many times and once dry it's fine. I'm 49 and I'm fairly sure one day my son will receive it in my will. Not just the brick obviously. Or hopefully not just a Nokia brick lol.
2G networks are all shutdown.
3G are not far from shutting down.
I don’t think Nokia had a lot of 4g phones back in the days.
Yeahh no way. Exactly what he said the systems have been shut down for a long time now why are you lying 🤣🤣 also I remember the biggest killers of those phones were water or humidity. Absolutely destroyed them! They were shitty af everyone is just being a sheep and following what everyone else sais about them. My phone now is water proof and have never had issues 🤷🏻♂️
*Your son will not want an old brick phone, most kids will not be interested in the toys of the past, you never see a 7yr old kid asking dad for some old piece of crap phone.*
The reason the Nokia works well underground is because it utilizes shorter wave bands. It's probably 600-800mhz. Most 3/4G phones work in the 1200-1900Mhz arena, so longer waves which travel further away from the towers, but they also are much more easily disrupted, by things like brick walls and dirt. Unfortunately though TMobile WILL be shutting down the last 2G network very soon. It was supposed to happen in April, but they've delayed it.
Mostly unrelated to this - I saw a Fisker Karma in the wild yesterday in MN. I was actually shocked that there was one up here. It was parked, not moving though... 😄
Gas ⛽️ 👍🏽
I'm sure battery technology and aftermarket replacements will improve. I can't imagine junking a car after only 10 years of ownership. We're still driving the 2005 Corolla that we bought new and it's parked beside our 2006 Matrix. The odometers on both are around the 300,000 mark and they still look and run great.
If you buy an EV today, that is what you're looking at.
Evs are like smartphones, when your phone battery dies, there's no fixing it, your only option is to replace it.
The battery will eventually improve, but there will always be something else to replace that is so difficult and catastrophic to get to that you have no choice but to junk it. Manufacturers want to get cars to a point that they're like cell phones. 5 to 8 years, and you turn it in for a new one.
Nope. Batteries will always be stupidly expensive. This also destroys the used car market and hurts the lower income. The whole idea is just DUMB.
lol this is the future. tesla locks out other battery manufacturers from making replacements.
We already live in a disposal car society. Shopping for my daughter's first car, lots fulls of 100s of great condition mid/late 2000s Kias, Hyundais and Nissans with bad transmissions and engines... And this was during 2021/2022 used car price craziness and they still weren't worth fixing.
get her an old classic car like a '70s Cutlass Supreme, Monte Carlo, Charger, Javelin, Camaro {Z28} or even a Firebird {Trans Am}!
Yeah, we had three young drivers within a 3 year period and for a first car I bought them a 1997 Mercedes C230. They drove it for 5 years and I was comfortable that it was safe enough and not too fast for low skill drivers. Now that they have experience we share 3 Tesla’s among 5 drivers and if I had to do it all over again I wouldn’t change a thing.
That's because you picked the manufacturers who build brand new disposable cars.
@@antoinepageau8336 BULL-SHIZNIT!! After seeing what their friends have gone through with EV's and Hybrids, all 3 of my kids (now in their 20's) were smart enough to say NO to a worthless ev or hybrid. Oh and we don't have to share vehicles, my kids have homes and ICE vehicles of their own.
True that we already live in a disposable car society, but a new engine/transmission isn't going to cost you 20K so the life of an ICE vehicle is going to be much longer than an EV. Most EV's are going to be mechanically totaled in 10-15 years, but most ICE vehicles are still on the road for 20+ years.
Elon should start selling Tesla BANDAGES...
We all have phones… who after a year or so it doesn’t charge as well as it used to or hold a charge
Like rod bearings
Bad rod bearings after only a year are defective.
Evs have much better battery management systems. I drive a 10 year old tesla model s (2014, model s 60) it has 130k miles on it. From factory in 2014 it promised 208 miles. When I first bought it in 2021 I range test it and got 212 miles. I have in 2024 gotten 210 miles. I'll admit I don't every single time, if I drive crazy, or weather is really bad I get maybe 10-20% less, but still on road trips, I get 95-100% initial promised range. I've put 70k miles on it in 3 years and road tripped from sd to humboldt. Back down, over to tucson. And back to sd, nothing but great times.
Based on the history milage tesla, you are looking at 250,000 miles. So better make plans to replace it or to buy a new car. My car is near 20 years old and it's future replacement is anther sub $3,000 old car.
@@jackgreenstalk777 It's a bit shaky when a person doesn't know if they're going to get that experience or if a random module is going to go bad and the entire battery needs to be replaced. I bought a Prius with nearly a quarter million miles on it and even I don't feel comfortable buying a decently used EV for the reason it might randomly total itself in repair costs.
iPhone 3G was the 2nd iphone. 3G was the network protocol. The first iPhone was a 2G device (EDGE/GPRS).
My first iPhone was the 3G as well. Last iPhone was a 4 and I've been team Android ever since. First phone was an Ericsson R280LX.
battery tech has already improved since these early model S, but yeah we need some government mandate to 1/ have a battery capacity meter like an odometer that is mandatory and needs to appear in all sales documents 2/ force builder to do modular repairs on batteries: i.e. design the packs so modules can be replaced instead of the whole thing OR make the full replacement cheap
This is already possible. They prefer to replace whole pack so they can evaluate it all, find any bad cells remove them. Replace them and make a proper refurb that won't die in a few months. Some chose to replace just the "brick" which there is up to 9 in a model s, replacing the brick is reliable. And part cost about 1k labor depends where you live. But even shipped cross country to gruber or unplugged performance, with a few thousand in labor and shipping its under 5k, not 20k+ nightmare often touted in media. Even 20k is about same as many fancy foreign cars engines to be fixed in around 150k miles
If all manufactures makes cars like Renault or nio with swap stations, users would be more protected against battery death.
My favorite TH-cam channel!
This was a really great, informative overview of a complex emerging problem. Definitely needs some big picture solutions...
I think the same thing happens with engines or even transmissions now. Any older European vehicle is as expensive or more than a battery even when replacing with a used part.
Model 3/y can get full battery replacement for about $6500. I think the company is called recell.
Cheaper than some a lot of crate engines I've replaced.
I don't know much about the company though, bit they do warranty the replacement.
👍Enjoyed the video.
I miss 60's cars. beautiful, powerful and you could rebuild everything yourself with the correct tools.
Cyber Truck security. Razor blades on the ends 😮
Sounds like all these Cybertruck owners are getting...
Cyber Bullied...
(eh, eh, eh, get it)
Why did I read this in Paulie Guiaultieri voice ? 😅🤣🤣
Your studio, the colors, the lighting... Top notch!
Several big companies are investing in EV battery recycling and reconditioning both. As time goes by you can be assured that there will be more people with working solutions. As Always, May God Bless you and yours!
Love you two. Careful with that cool new truck!
funny thing is elon said battery packs would only cost 6 grand to replace
He also said he would land a man on Mars in 2024. Times ticking. Fanboys allow him to lie.
He also said the Cybertruck would have 500 miles range, cost $60,000 and generate 20,000nm of torque.
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c 🤦
@@BCNeil I am no longer allowing Musk to lie, since that is not going to happen, I am safe.
He also said the 2020 Roadster will be on sale
New ICE vehicles are disposable as well, especially the smaller cars. GM's Trax went from an already small 1.4L turbo 4 to an even smaller 1.2L turbe 3 cylinder- in a larger vehicle with the redesign. these engines are running maxxed out just during normal driving and are generally considered unrepairable.
And short lived.
How far away is the class action lawsuit for injuries from the cyber truck?
Gotta love American regulatory standards and Boeing.
The part replacement thing is what they dö ön all modern cars, so its not just for evas.
This show is awesome - whenever Hoovie talks all I hear is "blah blah blah blah" but I have something nice to look at!!
Glad your Tesla tat is healing well !
this is the reason why i want to make laws that basically require support for vehicles and large appliances sold for atleast 30 years, and after manufacturers MUST release part details and repair instructions. MORE OVER requiring standardization of components and publishing specifications that can be used to develop aftermarket parts for the vehicles.
There *WAS* supposed to be an option to rent a battery and have it replaced at a service station when the life was up. There are recycling facilities popping up that take your old batteries and extract the metals to make a recycled battery.
The solution has already been found. Insurance companies are now pricing tesla's extremely high or refusing them altogether which closes the loop on cost of ownership. Simple capitalism at work.
Why? Insurance doesn’t care what your out of warranty repair costs. Insurance is based on vehicle safety and theft. Tesla is #1 in safety and extremely low theft.
@@aussie2uGAwhen a car is mechanically totaled there is a high chance that owner bump it to a tree or something to file an insurance claim and get it paid by the insurance as a functional vehicle.
@@aussie2uGA the fact that people don't want to steal them sys a lot
@@TechSurreal yup. Insurance companies care more than most people think
The difference between my wife’s 2012 Mazda 3 and my 2022 Kia EV6 is less than $10 per month for insurance. Her car was originally approximately $18k and mine was approximately $52k sticker price. Being 10 years newer, mine certainly has a higher residual value. Sure, my car is not a Tesla, but it is still an EV.
Tyler "less than," "fewer than" respectfully submitted.
5:04 how Tyler said this part. Are we just done without. any emotion. And the look on his face. Hits different Well done bud. Outstanding
My '03 Ford Crown Vic has 200,000 miles on it and will probably go that much more and I don't have to worry about it burning down a parking garage or my house.
It is ten times as likely to catch fire as an electric car is.
@@tedmossDon’t breed.
Sell it while you can Hoovie
Like Yesterday!
DUMP THE TRUCK! DUMP THE TRUCK!.....
Hey that has a ring to it
Blond girl: "What's a 3G"? I shit my pants.....
Me: there is blood on the cybertruck!? Is it from zombies!?
Truck owner: no the blood is from me, i was approaching the car
Which TH-camr will do the first "LS Cyber truck"?🤔
Rich's Rebuilds
That Tesla replacement battery is a used “refurbished” one from an old car. Btw, BYD’s parent company made those Nokia batteries back in the 90’s
Every Chinese parent company is the CCP.
You are implying that the design and build quality of the legacy company continues till today. Huge assumption.
BYD’s LFP battery is so good (and safe) that Tesla uses it in their GigaBerlin Model Y
My comment saying that every company in China, including parent companies, is owned by the party that currently holds power in China, got censored.
Like Tesla? That was true in the 1980’s but economic reforms were made in the 90’s that allowed private ownership and foreign investment
great chanel,,
You extremely fortunate to have that woman
How do you know that?
That's his sister.
I do not understand why people are so shocked about the $20,000 replacement costs of a battery. I had my engine locked up on my 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8l and if the Hyundai did not cover any of the cost it would have been a $20,000 engine replacement since they do not make that engine anymore. They had to build the engine at the dealership and then install it. I am sure any can where they do not make the engine anymore would be a similar cost
Read a story about a GR Corolla money shifting. The cost of the repair to replace the engine was the value of the whole car.
New Green Deal! Oh sounds Great . Hahaha!! I’ll stick to Gas.
Yea pay for the subsidies and the tax at the pump hahaha you pay twice.
Don't forget about when the frunk got your head at the car wizards.
I purchased my Toyota Celica RA42, hatchback, 20R, 5SP, 4 banger new in 1979. Guess what? I still drive her anywhere I want to go. Made in Japan!
The batteries are going to the recycling groups, after some of them are repurposed for other uses
The problem once the battery is used up theres not much left to recycle you can't undo the chemicals bonds
Completely untrue, 98% of an EV Battery is recyclable with zero negative effects.
The batteries were supposed to be recycled by Tesla, Tesla was supposed to be nearly closed loop by now, requiring no mined metals. Instead, the guy tasked with that, JB Straubel, quit after Tesla had not managed to recycle the materials in a single battery in 12 years. He owns his own recycling company now.
And he and others recylce nearly 100% of all past ev batteries. Their only issue is so FEW ev batteries have died, its early bolts, roadsters etc. Which can be fixed at gruber motors in roadster case and model s and x can be fixed there, as well as electified garage, unplugged performance, ev republic, reel deel ev, etc and if one isnt near you shipping the car to them is still often cheaper then buying entirely new battery. If it does need replaced it can be done more affordably with refurb or crash damaged totaled cars that sell healthy packs (cars totaled for vandalism etc) @@criticalevent
@@mikehurt3290They make _new_ batteries out of stuff they scrape out of the ground-- an old battery already has all those same elements right there in one package.
This is a great example of how laughable it is to "go green" with disposable crap. From cars to appliances, making items that do not last or that are easily maintainable is NOT green, doesn't matter how you want to market it.
The real goal of the green movement is not to do what is good for the environment. The real goal is to make people miserable.
A lithium battery can be damaged/degraded really fast for a number of reasons. People with battery powered mowers usually ruin the battery right away because they know nothing about how to maintain them and keep them healthy for maximum life.
No! Surely we can consume our way out of climate change!!!? It's so laughable people swallow the EV nonsense it's sad. EV's are laudable if you live in a city and mostly commute small distances to and from work - you are reducing local tailpipe emissions, and it's probably going to be cheaper to run than a ICE (depending on how much you spend on it) - but that's all they are good for.
In realty, In Australia 2018 Tesla does 666.666km and gets it`s 1st battery replaced.
What is the average life span of an ICE automobile? Sounds like we need to reduce the cost of replacement EV battery packs.
all evs have a master service disconnect{MSD} this disconnects the battery so it can be safely serviced i learned this in my fire dept training. there are guides that show the locations and disconnect procedures
Check out the videos of Chinese BYD EVs batteries catching fire.
The Chinese have figured out how to dispose of their unwanted used cars. Self combustion.
Yessir
Check out the BYD Blade battery you can drill though and ZERO FIRES...
Tell me again why in the hell would someone want a EV? This sounds like a nightmare
Oh, they allow you to take your time when on a trip. You know, spending hours at recharging stations with nothing to do.
You’re right!! I save $600 a month in gas!! I’m an idiot 😅
Obiden will mandate that you have and want one.
@@biggestsignlol when? I’ve out 65k miles in 3 years on my model 3 the last time I supercharged was in December….as you can tell I drive quite a bit I’ve had 0 maintenance other than 1 set of tires and 1 set of windshield wipers….and it still has 97% of the original charge…having said all that I won’t own it once the 120k mile warranty expires.
Not true but keep believing the msm lies. I bet you believe in inflation also.
The batteries are recyclable but have to be handled extremely careful. Otherwise the plant might blow up like the one in Scotland a few weeks ago. That was scary 😳😬
Robby Layton has a body shop, and while he has adapted the battery lift for other uses, the lift cost him $10,000 to purchase for his shop. How many smaller shops or body shops can or will lay out that kind of money to repair these cars?
EV's are dying and have zero value?? Who would've thunk it?? 😆😂🤣
That was over so soon 😄
I think you meant "Who would've frunked it?" 🤌 Lolol
Well, they've outlived that Bored Ape thing, that's something. 😂
@@Shauma_llamaI don't want to kill the buzz but Apes are still retaining value at around 40-50k. Wither or not they sell is beyond me.
It's like an ICE car with a broken engine and transmission
So, my besty got a new Macan S in 2015. Drove it hard, serviced it hard, to 145k miles. At 145k, engine started making a slight tick. Tick got louder and louder. Took it to dealership, engine is toast. New engine is $20k. Macan is totaled. What’s different here than the Tesla? This isn’t specific to EVs…
New engine from the dealer is $20k.
@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg same logic. i buy a used battery and put it in cheap
from gus down the street
@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg no, I only chose to comment because that engine cannot/is not rebuilt. The failure is the block, scoring. It must be replaced with either a new or used one, just like this battery. The similarities were just too great not to comment and highlight them.
But an engine having scored cylinders can still be sleaved and rebuilt by an engine rebuilder@user-ew6jy9mo4r
@@2009spoc some maybe. This is an alusil block with a plasma arc spray coating. Once the coating is scored it must be replaced. Again, I only chose to comment because of the similarities here. If the engine could just be rebuilt, I would not have commented.
If you want ALL the details, the ticking was only a failing turbocharger. Before investing $12-15k in removing the engine to replace both turbos and the “while you’re there’s”, everyone figured it prudent to scope the cylinders for scoring first. Guess what we found…the end of the road.
The cat saved the day. Otherwise it was like watching that MTV show with Nick Lachey trying to cope with Jessica Simpsons's toolset.
When a car or truck needs a new transmission is when it usually gets junked. The cost and labor involved is usually more than the vehicle is worth.
Do you watch his other channel?
That is changing rapidly brother. When it costs 50-100k to get a new one i will happily pay 8k for a new motor and get another 200-300k out of my truck
Not on pickup trucks
Tesla mau well charge $20,000 but the battery packs no longer cost anywhere near that.
That's not much good if you can only buy from the people doing the huge mark up.
Correction: It's good/great for them, no good to anybody else.
China to the rescue?
20k for new batteries and another 10k to remove, install and dispose. Rinse and repeat in another 5 years.
@@0PsychosisMedia0lol, 2018 Model 3 here, 120k miles and still no issues…
@@aussie2uGAyet and but when you do you're screwed
@@aussie2uGAYour resale/trade-in value is $0. FJB 🖕🇨🇳
I've been driving a 1972 Ford Pinto Squire wagon for over 35 years. I have replaced the engine once. Did the work myself. Didn't cost much. I've also been driving a 1964 Ford Fairlane for almost 20 years. I bought that with no engine or transmission. I pulled an engine and transmission out of a '71 Ford LTD and put in the Fairlane. Still runs great. There are over 20 different engines that will fit in that car. I may wind up dong a V8 swap on the Pinto. Unless they get totally destroyed or rust away (and cars don't rust in AZ, where I am) older cars are literally immortal.
Modern ICE cars are definitely not worth fixing a lot of times too. So complex like you said. Well no one’s going to want to restore or keep fixing these ultimate leasing machines
If anyone thinks Karma is not a real thing just watch a GMY upload and see how all the good and honest sales Tyler has made, he once sold a Cayenne to a 70 + year old man for $5 after fixing its issues.
Yes he’s had some personal things happen recently but I’d say he landed in his feet with a second YT channel and a freakin gorgeous GF co host! I hope more positives come your way!!
An EV is an appliance, You can't think about it like a traditional car. Its more like your fridge or your TV. The issue is the premium they charge does not support this model today. When someone designs an EV with a simple and affordable way to replace the battery then we can think about them more like a traditional car again.
NIO cars, battery as a service ... only way to go.
Prices will come down with economies of scale.
@@ayedee6681 It's one way to go. I like the idea of leasing the battery but is there a business model? Many retired car batteries are put to use in stationary situations as there is still a lot of life left. It depends on living situation...I have my own garage and don't drive that many miles so I'm better off owning my own. I know how it's been treated from the beginning.
@@SingleTrackMinedThe battery is deteriorating every day since it was created by the manufacturer. If you don’t drive many miles/year, then either a BEV or Hybrid are bad ideas. 🥶🔥🖕🇨🇳
Anti-EVers keep those prices high and the high insurance premiums is rapidly spreading into the ICE car market too..
Nio has stations to replace them like a vending machine.. maybe some kind of exchange program.. what if they write code in them so the die right after warranty is up ?
Iphone 3gs is the second gen
My buddy can't wait till his 36 months leased model 3 is up. He keeps track of how many months. Everything thinks its an UBER and he has had people try to get in, then get mad at him.
The frunk on the cybertruck is very dangerous. I saw a video of a guy slicing carrots with it
Lots of vids of guys putting their fingers in there too.... and on adult sites you'll find "other" things getting smashed by the frunk...
Hey he found a use for it,, a 100k carrot slicer.
Companies such as Li-Cyle (Rochester, NY) are recycling these used batteries 8:25
Also, just like the early computers, I believe batteries will become much more compact and efficient.
With recycling issues how many wreckiing yards today will balk at buying a vehicle with a battery that they are not equipped to remove and recycle? How far would they have to ship the large and heavy battery asstembly to a facility qualified to recycle it?
Depends on how far away from Reno you are.
Old batteries are an incredible fire hazard.
There is no fixing any of the battery packs... we RC modelers knew this 15 years ago with our multicell Lipos... once one cell goes and starts showing balance problems... the others are not too far behind. the only solution is an entire pack. then the issue of the Motors and ESCs... ECS are the next thing to go. silicon carbide MOSFETs in them also have a finite life... and when one shorts or fails open inside... the rest quickly follow because they are often multiple devices that have been selected to match. ICE rules for one reason and one reason only... mechanical parts that can be replaced.
We 35 years ago too 😊
lots of good battery info in this, and yes you can short term fix batteries by replacing individual cells but it will increase the rate of failure in other cells because you added new cells that are soo out of spec with the current cells. The only thing I'm baffled by is Elon didn't hide this, you knew you'd have to replace the battery pack and that the cost of that battery was almost half the cost of the car, so I'm just confused how its news.
Intense competition will actually result in larger and faster advances in battery technology.
I think it would be cool to see you 2 talk about how these batteries are made and the fact you have to mine to get them made
EV’s will end up in people’s driveways or on the street abandoned because the batteries are simply too expensive to replace and the wrecking yards won’t want to deal with the batteries. They’re a disposable vehicle for people with disposable income.
Like when a transmission fails, people ditch the vehicle because it costs more than the vehicle is worth.
@@aussie2uGA I’m m not sure about Aussi land antics, but we have transmission shops that will rebuild them. Rebuilding an EV battery still hasn’t taken place yet and because of the dangers likely never will.
@@S2NAZ Newer transmissions are built with aluminum. You don’t rebuild, you replace. Those costs and labor push it over what the vehicle is worth.
The battery is recyclable with the materials 90-95% recoverable.
@@moarpwr4414lies..where is your source? Cost more to recycle except for 1 raw material. The rest is a loss.
This is something I predicted as soon as EVs came out, I was familiar with Lion batteries from model helicopters. The electricity is cheap, but the cost of battery replacements likely costs more than just buying gas for 10 years.
An average person spends about 2k per year on fuel so 22k for battery replacement is a bit more expensive than gas, and the electricity just costs extra.
Having driven Toyotas mostly for the past 20 or so years, I can't imagine owning a car that is dead by year 10.
Was going to buy a model y but just changed my mind will buy a Camry xle hybrid instead
battery cars are not the future !
Sure…
So much for.....EVs HAVE LESS MAINTENANCE COSTS THAN GAS CARS. The EV bubble has finally bursted.
No battery acid in the EV battery pack.
Batteries can now be fully recycled, broken bown to base minerals then used to remanufacture. Something does need to be done for the end consumer though.
Batteries are getting recycled or repurposed. No one is throwing them away. I do agree that there needs to be a better aftermarket repair community to keep them going in order for them to be sustainable.
Batteries are 100% recycled.
Yes, I got some solar power station "deals" with used cells, apparently, because they quickly degraded and won`t hold a charge. And it`s wrong to sell people degraded, dangerous cells inside expensive products people depend on for emergency power. But they`re doing this as a way to dispose of them. And these products go in dumpsters usually.
Do you know how much effort it takes to recycle a lithium battery? Agree repurposing is good - but if a battery has dead cells, as Hoovie mentioned, any repairs to it can't be trusted long term.
Redwood materials, JB Stauble
It is cheaper to make new batteries than to recycle old ones.
Lets junk a car after only 10 years. Yes, that's SO environmentally friendly. What a joke. EV's need to go the way of the Dodo Bird. And Elon Musk is a Snake Oil Salesman. The gig is up Elon. Your cars are a scam.
Tesla admitted in a Germany Court during a lawsuit that the cars were designed to last 10 years or 150k miles.
2018 TESLA IN AUSTRIALIA HAD IT`S BATTERY REPLACE AT 666-666KM....
Solution… buy rust free late 90s and early 2000s vehicles! 50 years from now these will be the cars people crave. Live on 1996 K2500 454!
10 years old, out of warranty. Send it to Electrified Garage. $3-5k vs $20k is a no brainer. Long term solution is an aftermarket replacement battery. You got the 🏦 and 🥚 🥚 to make them there's a market. I suggest prismatic batteries.
The batteries are going to end up on land fills, they react to rain by starting on fire, and all of our landfills will start ablaze. Welcome to the beginning of the end.
Believe that if you must, reality is completely the opposite.
What an ignorant comment. The batteries can be recycled infinitely.
@@dereknicol5284 Not if you live in a fantasy world.