I knew a plumber who always complained how he was in pain yet smoked two packs in an eight hour shift and bit his nails constantly. Pretty sure the dude was balding from how he took care of him self.........never wore gloves
@@beefjuicer4808 sewage is a problem but the chemicals in PVC solvents are probably more damaging to your long term health. Definitely should be wearing gloves for any of it.
@@jeffreycampagnola1159why are you asking that when they are a certified plumber?🤨 plumbers and hvac professionals are two different professions not the same thing I have four uncle's who work as a hvac technician and two more that work in the plumbing industry how the heck are you you gonna ask someone if they are a professional plumber
Had an electrician tell me they’re more important than plumbers once. I asked him if he’d rather shit in the dark, or shit on the floor in the corner with the lights on. He walked away.
Yes. Sometimes it is best to walk away from a stupid argument being instigated by a stupid person. Electricians know this. you, however. are clearly not an electrician.
There is a difference between "blowing" and "draining" a boiler. You "blow" the boiler once a week to once a month while it's hot. That is to remove the floaters. You put the water in a bucket to let it cool. About once a year you drain the system after you let it cool. You can open the intake to help wash out the crud on the bottom. I had a worker that confused draining and blowing. He insisted you should drain it hot. But he melted our sump pump...
I broke a toilet once. Customer told me to throw the water In the toilet like he does. Not realizing there’s a freaking wax seal 😂😂 I guess one bucket of hot water is ok for the wax but I dump 3-4 buckets and it melted the wax
I have zero of experience on small residential boilers. Most is on industrial and commercial units. In that area, we’d install a valve specifically for the plant maintenance to blow down once a week. I don’t see how it couldn’t work on a residential application
@Yamaszlof Mcdurkin Haha...umm, yeah. I'm a class one, unlimited operator. You can get away with that on a residential boiler for a while, but tomorrow, I'm descaling a four-year-old boiler for that very reason.
One thing I can tell you about steam boilers is be careful draining a hot boiler and refilling while still hot. I’ve had a few instances where sending cold water into a hot boiler could shock and crack the boiler.
On the test I had to take to get my special boiler license the answer to draining the boiler is to shut it down and let it cool down before draining it. You can do a blow down while the boiler is hot.
this is a salt water boiler system it needs to be trained everyday. There is a label that says drain it by end of day. Needs full maintenance once a year.
i got laid off from a company because i as a hvac guy not trained in plumbing, had a difficult time with a plumbing call. customer wasnt happy and complained. so much for the office having my back.
You can sue for wrongful termination. You were expected to do work out of scope and were provided no training. This works in your favour because they will have to show some sort of training record.
And that is the reason why there are school-based training programs in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. They last 3.5 years, 2 days a week in school and the rest in the company. You learn everything you need to install boilers, air conditioners or ventilation systems, but what you have in the USA is ridiculous.
@@NYCHvac I guess I understand that. I originally thought you sub out any pipe fitting lol. The way my shop does it is if I find needed repairs while doing service then that’s my job. Incentivizes you to find needed repairs so you get more work. We have an install crew but I’m the pipe fitter at my shop as well as a lead service tech. If something needs cut and threaded it’s me that does it lmao.
@@dustinengle2570 kinda funny because when I walk into some shit hole rental property with 1-1/2” galvanized leaking like that on a boiler system I tell them they will need an HVAC tech LOL 😂
If you do heating and refrigeration, you run and braze copper piping for refrigeration units, iron gas pipe for gas appliances, PVC for condensate lines, water piping for ice machines and water cooled condensers.
Preach brother Preach!!!! Get to the call and it's a HVAC problem, we ask alot of questions because we charge for a service call, to find out it's a HVAC problem so we have to charge them. Lost 30 minutes to get to you to find out what it is and drive another 30 minutes to get back to my area.
Unless they are trained and certified to do both. I'm certified on a lot of things but, in doing so there are some things I have to double check on occasionally just to double check myself and be sure.
You don’t set limits but your insurance carrier will. If you’re an electrician going around fixing pipes you’ll be on the hook for that. And if your carrier drops you because of it? You’re on the hook for the electric too.
@@manny9323 i'm an electrician and when doing the insurance they ask for my qualifications and approvals for the type of work i do and i'm limited to that. I'd never touch something i'm not insured for even if it may look like a simple job mostly because i know customer's shit is badly maintained and i had colleagues that got screwed up just by ''trying to help''. Most is about electrical instalations that connect to old shit that will crumble and fall apart just by looking at it. I'm an electrician, i'll do the electrical part, you want your central heating/air con/hob/ etc fixed-> call someone that deals with that
It’s called job security. Plenty of work for everyone. Things just flow better when everybody stays in their lane. Obviously we all deviate when the job calls for it but in general a pipefitter should fit pipe, a plumber should plumb, and an service tech should service
Plumbers tell you a certain time frame so it lasts just long enough so you dont feel scammed, but they get a call back to fix it soon so they get more money and use the same parts they bought the last time, but charge you a new set.
As a plumber I tell em as often as you can, if it's a restaurant always have someone designated to it and have a checklist for weekly stuff I said to do lol
And you should NEVER call a plumber to design and install a boiler system unless they are hydronic licensed... So many of my jobs come from customers that discovered this issue...
As a boiler operator, the gauge glass can be removed when the valves are closed to clean the glass.The bottom gauge cock should normally have a drain to flush the valve.If needed one can open up the valve for additional flow if need. It's generally not a good practice to take the valve off as you removed your control if something goes south.
I grew up fixing steam with my dad, im one of the few 26 year olds who even know how to service steam or how it works. Respect to see that content. I woulda stuck my phone in the draft hood to make sure it wasnt a leaker. Weil Mclains are leakers
Video definitely brings back memories. My dad had a flush ours about twice a week. Also had a crack in the boiler, bought stop leak by the case until we were able to afford a new furnace.
Hvac tech is a plumber, hvac , electrician, landscaper, framer, contrustion guy, some time therapist. And the guy that gets all the blame for whatever else is happening in the house
For my parents' steam furnace, I use a hose and transfer pump to shoot the rusty water outside. I pop the blowout valve open to let air in to facilitate the bulk of the water, then feed clean water into the furnace to stir up the sediment rust off the bottom for a thorough flush. As for the transfer pump itself, I pour a little cooking oil into the impeller before, and then after pumping to help prevent rust build up. Not bad for an electrician! Still, i never knew those rods guarding the sight glass were used to prod the two valves. I wondered why they were removable. I simply opened the clean-outs to let the water pressure do it's thing.
Yea the rods are there to protect the glass but we use them to clear it out. And holy smokes bro you do a lot ! One bucket a week should be good enough 💪🏼
I travelled nine states for a large contractor that was founded in 1867. Carried a union card for a specific trade but handled whatever was needed. Did primarily industrial and institutional work. Our company had patented, proprietary systems. Handled power and control wiring, chiller, refrigeration, gas, oil, and pneumatic piping, sheet metal, balancing, commissioning, service and project management. Have been 'retired' over 10 years and still get calls from old clients. Great money and visits with old friends --
I love to see a manual feed system. It means that the homeowner HAS TO BE diligently looking at their system and keeping the water at the correct level. Manually fed boilers last longer because homeowners are used to taking water out when they put water in. That was the procedure thought since back in the day. Systems with automatic feeders are good also but the problem with that is that the homeowner doesn’t have to constantly look at their water level resulting in a neglect of their systems. Automatic feeders can also fail and floor the house. But if a homeowner has a automatic feeder and takes the water out once a week the system should be just as good as a manually fed. And since you ask the question I know you care about your system I’ll give you a nice tip to even make your boiler last longer. Make sure to have (if you already don’t) the boiler being fed HOT WATER instead of cold water. This will add so much life to your boiler. Thank you for the support and ask any questions you may have 💪🏼👍🏼
@@mrr-ee6ui good question. So it depends but it’s the same principle. Essentially you want to find the domestic hot water line coming out from the mixing valve. (The pipe that’s closest to the boiler that feeds your house sinks and showers) and then have a Tee going to the feeder from there. Or if you have a storage tank have the hot water pipe feed the boiler. Basically the hot water pipe that’s feeding into your home that’s where you’d want the boiler to get water from. It’s good to do this because the boiler only needs water when the boiler is at its hottest (because it boiled or steamed the water) so feeding it cold water makes the cast iron fatigued.
@@NYCHvac: Why would it make a difference. The water in the line between the water heater and the boiler would be room temperature. Because of that it would still get the shock of comparatively cold water. Mine has an automatic filler, and I wouldn't expect it to take enough at a time to get past the room temperature water(unless I'm flushing it). That being said, I don't have to think about since it is automatic, so maybe I'd be surprised how much it takes.
I hold a master mechanical license. I try to just do hydronic heating. It’s an in between, thing, so I’ve attempted to specialize, but I still get more forced air work than what I would like
@@Dunkdamonk those are the most comfortable and efficient homes I’ve ever been in. I’ve done some radiant heat paired with Evap coolers too, but it’s like 9-20% humidity where I’m at. Lol. And it’s nowhere near as nice as a mini split. Some of these old school hippies keep their windows open majority of the spring and summer, so we just go Evap for them :)
Same in big part Europe, we are all called plumbers, if you put up contidioner unit, you are plumber, if there is pipe, then you are plumber and you job requaires plumber
@@NYCHvac that's probably cuz you're in a City that's communist-controlled by unions. That's stupid to send two different trucks and two different men out to do a job. Waste of time and the customers money
I'm a plumber in Colorado and here it's the plumber who installs AND services the boilers (at least in the areas I've worked). HVAC is usually installing and servicing AC, furnaces, fancoils, ducting and venting.
Yea a lot of HVAC companies forget about the “H” when it comes to boilers. Here in NYC hvac companies know how to cut thread reem black pipe. Hvac companies leave it to plumbing and heating companies. It’s kinda backwards but I get it.
Tell them only thing we both do well is Brazing us Plumbers have med gas and HVAC have refrigerant lines stick to your craft and if you don't have a licence don't touch my pipe and if you don't have hvac and epa don't touch hvac , do not let handymen work on no mechanical at all unless you want to swim 😂
I was an HVAC tech for a hospital for 21 years. If you were assigned this job it doesn't matter what letters you had behind your name. You completed the job even the pipe. Boilers got blown down every day.
Thank you for your service 💪🏼 as a tech in the middle of the winter we prioritize emergencies like having no heat. The leaking pipe can be passed so we can take care of more no heat calls. I’m glad you know about blowing down the boilers. So many in these comments have no idea
This guy could talk about the most boring things and make them sound interesting! Love the accent, NYC accents are the best in the world, best Australian or a Russia speaking English. Subbed just because the accent.
Are you a stationary engineer ? They call us power engineers in Canada . Love the content I been doing shit outside my trade this year you earned a subscribe my friend 🎉
In Oregon plumbers and hvac workers are not allowed to touch boilers unless they have a boiler license . And if that sight glass is that plugged my guess is the mud legs in the bottom of that sectional boiler are chalked full . A proper blow down that was piped in correctly would help fix that problem .
We usually do both in nyc. If a master plumber owns the company, you are installing and serving boilers, AC systems, gas, stacks, vents the whole nine.
That reminds me of a Burnham boiler I had installed in a house from the 20s…converted oil to gas. All that rust comes from the steel pipes in the house, eventually, the pipes nearest the floor will corrode open. Had that one happen once.
That’s funny I just told my father when I was in the basement the water looked dirty and we should flush it and he said the plumber said we don’t need to do that it’s self sustaining lol and this video popped up. guess what he’s doing right now 😂. thank you for the advice
You need to drain the dirt pocket valve every week during heating season and every 2 weeks during non heating seasons. I had the automatic waster feed removed from my steam boiler, this mad me have to perform the above referenced maintenance
Both can install and service steam boilers depending on their training and background. If you add water you are adding more minerals. If he is a boiler tech he could fix leak he most be a maintenance tech
I’m from Germany, the Apprenticeship I do covers a little bit of all aspects, Heatings, Air Con, Plumbing, Climate systems etc. I’m surprised at how some of the same professions have different requirements and learning areas than here.
I started my plumbing career in New England. I live in Georgia now. I may not know much about forced hot air but I can service a boiler. What you’re doing here could crack the boiler by the way. Unless you’ve taken the proper steps. The average person or plumber would be lost here. You’re right.
Well said sir I’m a plumber I stick to plumbing much respect for both trades we all have our own place in the field know your roll an stick tah what ya know 🤘🏽
There is one field where hvac and plumbing intersect. Marine air conditioning uses water to carry the thermal load. It involves quite a bit of plumbing.
I always find these interesting to see the difference between systems in the UK Vs the US, especially because it varies so much by location in the states due to different weather conditions
As a new construction plumber, i really respect yall service guys PS my fault in advance, we got deadlines and limited materials lmfao #looksgoodfrommyhouse
I worked at Mead Johnson doing site maintenance and that reminds of going around collecting samples for water softner testing throughout at all the condensate pumps and the make up towers. I miss all those rusty site glasses and 🔥 💧
I was working on the controls and wiring of a mini split the other day, the homeowner was unloading a trailer of landscaping rock, etc, and he said, “Man, I wish I was an electrician, too!” I said, I’m not an electrician, I’m HVAC. Eats digging rock or turd tuggling. I do appreciate you plumbers out there!
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If a plumber and a HVAC contractor had sex. We could start a race of super workers that know how to do both jobs.
I’ve always said if a plumber and an electrician had a baby that’s what a HVAC comes out 😂😫 but you’d be right with the super workers.
Nah. The little turd would probably turn out to be a sprinkler fitter.
What if they didn’t even procreate and just taught each other about their jobs the whole time? 😂
It happened, he's called Steve Lavimoniere 😂
Called a electrician! 😂😂😂
The difference is the HVAC pro can bite his nails on the way home from work the plumber can’t.
I knew a plumber who always complained how he was in pain yet smoked two packs in an eight hour shift and bit his nails constantly. Pretty sure the dude was balding from how he took care of him self.........never wore gloves
Not all plumbing jobs deal with sewage. Wow
@@beefjuicer4808 sewage is a problem but the chemicals in PVC solvents are probably more damaging to your long term health. Definitely should be wearing gloves for any of it.
We can tell a good tin knocker from a bad one by how many fingers they have
The hell you can . Im an hvac installer and there's some nasty shit
I'm a plumber, Respect to you and your profession.
Likewise brother 💪🏼💯
Spartans! What is your profession!? 😂
@@CIA907Nitro To yell back at you and not answer your question.
27 year mechanic steps into conversation.....hvac, yep, plumbing yep, electrical, yep, IT, yep. Welder yep.etc etc......😅😅😅
@@DieDae NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOO! 😂😂😂
As a plumber, I can confirm this. I do not want to be held liable for doing an HVAC job.
are u sure your an actual plumber?
@@jeffreycampagnola1159why are you asking that when they are a certified plumber?🤨 plumbers and hvac professionals are two different professions not the same thing I have four uncle's who work as a hvac technician and two more that work in the plumbing industry how the heck are you you gonna ask someone if they are a professional plumber
“This shitty nasty leaking pipe over here that’s a plumbers job lmao 🤣
Well yeah. If it's poo it isn't hvacr
That's a boiler line.
Thats not a “shit pipe” its a rusted “clean water” pipe
Yeah it can be a plumbers job. But if a hvac guy is willing to fix it since he’s already there. A lot more he can charge. Vs just passing it on
I'm neither and could fix that pipe.
Had an electrician tell me they’re more important than plumbers once. I asked him if he’d rather shit in the dark, or shit on the floor in the corner with the lights on. He walked away.
Lmfaooo that’s a good one
Yes. Sometimes it is best to walk away from a stupid argument being instigated by a stupid person.
Electricians know this. you, however. are clearly not an electrician.
@@illbeyourmonster3591 You’ve already lost when you attack someone’s character instead of a rebuttal to the argument.
@@YoursUntruly Good thing I didn't actually do that. 😅
@@illbeyourmonster3591 “stupid person” haha
There is a difference between "blowing" and "draining" a boiler.
You "blow" the boiler once a week to once a month while it's hot. That is to remove the floaters. You put the water in a bucket to let it cool. About once a year you drain the system after you let it cool. You can open the intake to help wash out the crud on the bottom.
I had a worker that confused draining and blowing. He insisted you should drain it hot. But he melted our sump pump...
I broke a toilet once. Customer told me to throw the water In the toilet like he does. Not realizing there’s a freaking wax seal 😂😂 I guess one bucket of hot water is ok for the wax but I dump 3-4 buckets and it melted the wax
This comment is full of that's what she said's
@@TYPICALTRYHARD_ Why it's difficult to find women working in this industry...
uh...bro...it's BLOW DOWN. Not all boilers are named Monica
I have zero of experience on small residential boilers. Most is on industrial and commercial units. In that area, we’d install a valve specifically for the plant maintenance to blow down once a week. I don’t see how it couldn’t work on a residential application
If you have to flush your boiler once a week you have bigger problems.
If you don't blow down your boiler (at least) weekly, you will end up with problems.
Yes!
@Yamaszlof Mcdurkin Haha...umm, yeah. I'm a class one, unlimited operator. You can get away with that on a residential boiler for a while, but tomorrow, I'm descaling a four-year-old boiler for that very reason.
@Yamaszlof Mcdurkin That all depends whether it's a hydronic, or a steam boiler.
Yeah thats a steam boiler
One thing I can tell you about steam boilers is be careful draining a hot boiler and refilling while still hot. I’ve had a few instances where sending cold water into a hot boiler could shock and crack the boiler.
On the test I had to take to get my special boiler license the answer to draining the boiler is to shut it down and let it cool down before draining it. You can do a blow down while the boiler is hot.
Same for car radiator
I always pipe hot water from the water heater or hot side of coil to fill the boiler,otherwise you will crack it for sure.
Man I heard you talking like the other NYC plumber I watch and I had to subscribe. 😂
Lmao same. They’re probably buddies or something 😂
What's up broskis
@@Learncountry12345or brothers
They got that Nu Yo’k accent
If I remember correctly in the Navy we blew down the sight glasses daily on the mid watch. Fellow Snipes, if I'm wrong please correct me.
Y’all have steam boilers on the ship !?! If so, what is the fuel it uses ? And thank you for your service 💪🏼💪🏼
Magic hot rocks on my first ship and DFM (diesel fuel marine) on my second.
@@pitsnipee5 lol
Merchant Sailor here, we do top and bottom side blow down daily.
this is a salt water boiler system it needs to be trained everyday. There is a label that says drain it by end of day. Needs full maintenance once a year.
I'm a plumber that specializes in hvac, ac and boiler systems ...
Yeah and I’m an hvac and boiler system that specializes in plumbers. You ain’t so special… especially with your narrow urethra.
Same.
no refrigeration?
i got laid off from a company because i as a hvac guy not trained in plumbing, had a difficult time with a plumbing call. customer wasnt happy and complained. so much for the office having my back.
You can sue for wrongful termination. You were expected to do work out of scope and were provided no training. This works in your favour because they will have to show some sort of training record.
@@davidcardinal3654a lot of states are at will states
That’s because a plumber shouldn’t be touching any of it that’s the responsibility of a steam fitter / pipe fitter! Not HVAC either
And that is the reason why there are school-based training programs in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. They last 3.5 years, 2 days a week in school and the rest in the company. You learn everything you need to install boilers, air conditioners or ventilation systems, but what you have in the USA is ridiculous.
That’s wassup. Our schools here only last less then 2 years and is mostly class room work.
An HVAC professional can definitely repair that leaking pipe lol. You call a plumber to do all your pipe fitting or something 😂
We can definitely do it but yea we have a install team that does this!
@@NYCHvac I guess I understand that. I originally thought you sub out any pipe fitting lol. The way my shop does it is if I find needed repairs while doing service then that’s my job. Incentivizes you to find needed repairs so you get more work. We have an install crew but I’m the pipe fitter at my shop as well as a lead service tech. If something needs cut and threaded it’s me that does it lmao.
@@dustinengle2570 kinda funny because when I walk into some shit hole rental property with 1-1/2” galvanized leaking like that on a boiler system I tell them they will need an HVAC tech LOL 😂
If you do heating and refrigeration, you run and braze copper piping for refrigeration units, iron gas pipe for gas appliances, PVC for condensate lines, water piping for ice machines and water cooled condensers.
@@aredditor4272this comment is Canadian Redseal approved
If you have a closed system with treated/demi water then you don't have to flush at all.
Because it doesn't rust
Preach brother Preach!!!! Get to the call and it's a HVAC problem, we ask alot of questions because we charge for a service call, to find out it's a HVAC problem so we have to charge them. Lost 30 minutes to get to you to find out what it is and drive another 30 minutes to get back to my area.
Unless they are trained and certified to do both. I'm certified on a lot of things but, in doing so there are some things I have to double check on occasionally just to double check myself and be sure.
Rare breed right there. 💪🏼💯👍🏼
I don't set limits on what i can repair. Neither should anyone else, IMHO
The same goes for people that don’t know what they’re doing and do it anyway…
A lot of time trades get boxed in by licensing restrictions and insurance.
You don’t set limits but your insurance carrier will. If you’re an electrician going around fixing pipes you’ll be on the hook for that. And if your carrier drops you because of it? You’re on the hook for the electric too.
@@manny9323 i'm an electrician and when doing the insurance they ask for my qualifications and approvals for the type of work i do and i'm limited to that. I'd never touch something i'm not insured for even if it may look like a simple job mostly because i know customer's shit is badly maintained and i had colleagues that got screwed up just by ''trying to help''. Most is about electrical instalations that connect to old shit that will crumble and fall apart just by looking at it. I'm an electrician, i'll do the electrical part, you want your central heating/air con/hob/ etc fixed-> call someone that deals with that
It’s called job security. Plenty of work for everyone. Things just flow better when everybody stays in their lane. Obviously we all deviate when the job calls for it but in general a pipefitter should fit pipe, a plumber should plumb, and an service tech should service
Subscribed! Glad I found ya! Plumber here, and just starting my training on servicing boilers, radiant, hydronics. Teach me!! Lol thanks for the vids!
Plumbers tell you a certain time frame so it lasts just long enough so you dont feel scammed, but they get a call back to fix it soon so they get more money and use the same parts they bought the last time, but charge you a new set.
A plumber is a plumber an electrician is a electrician and an hvac guy does it all!!
Except sewers. The closest HVAC guys get to a sewer is the 3/4” pvc condensation drain pipe.
hvac guys are electricians? should make em run their own conduit and install their own disconnects then lmao
@cornhole8839 Done that. Union standards say to let the professionals do it and I agree.
As a plumber I tell em as often as you can, if it's a restaurant always have someone designated to it and have a checklist for weekly stuff I said to do lol
And you should NEVER call a plumber to design and install a boiler system unless they are hydronic licensed...
So many of my jobs come from customers that discovered this issue...
A plumber is NOT A HVAC GUY, contact the right treat for the right service you need. Dude is spot on.
I mean in all fairness HVAC Mechanics are more plumbers them plumbers are HVAC Mechanics 🤣
We are also part electrician as well 👀
I'm a plumber and I agree 100%. Just sending work your way. Never heard flush it once a week for a boiler now I know and if asked I'll pass it on.
Absolutely agree, bro, until you said a plumber would have to fix that pipe-we’d do that part too
Yes we can but we work with plumbers who do it for us and we focus on service 👍🏼
Hahaha. True. Service techs shy away from hard work
"Its coming out but its not moving" How smart you are...impressive.
...I need you and NYCPlumb to collab
As a boiler operator, the gauge glass can be removed when the valves are closed to clean the glass.The bottom gauge cock should normally have a drain to flush the valve.If needed one can open up the valve for additional flow if need. It's generally not a good practice to take the valve off as you removed your control if something goes south.
Unless you're a plumber who's an HVAC technician also. 😮
Rare breed 💪🏼
My union hall is full of them. We are a plumbling/pipefitting and HVAC combined.
I grew up fixing steam with my dad, im one of the few 26 year olds who even know how to service steam or how it works. Respect to see that content. I woulda stuck my phone in the draft hood to make sure it wasnt a leaker. Weil Mclains are leakers
Debatable. The northeast (Maryland/Pennsylvania to Maine) is FULL of steam. You think only decrepit old men can work on it?
Steamfitters, is what you need 😏
I always thought steam fitters are doing foot wide pipes and welding them lol
@@NYCHvac we like small pipes also :D
Video definitely brings back memories. My dad had a flush ours about twice a week. Also had a crack in the boiler, bought stop leak by the case until we were able to afford a new furnace.
Hvac tech is a plumber, hvac , electrician, landscaper, framer, contrustion guy, some time therapist. And the guy that gets all the blame for whatever else is happening in the house
Yet the guy couldn't fix a leaking joint.
For my parents' steam furnace, I use a hose and transfer pump to shoot the rusty water outside. I pop the blowout valve open to let air in to facilitate the bulk of the water, then feed clean water into the furnace to stir up the sediment rust off the bottom for a thorough flush.
As for the transfer pump itself, I pour a little cooking oil into the impeller before, and then after pumping to help prevent rust build up.
Not bad for an electrician!
Still, i never knew those rods guarding the sight glass were used to prod the two valves. I wondered why they were removable. I simply opened the clean-outs to let the water pressure do it's thing.
Yea the rods are there to protect the glass but we use them to clear it out. And holy smokes bro you do a lot ! One bucket a week should be good enough 💪🏼
Job security is where you agree to be a slave for your entire life
If you don’t have your own business, your a slave your entire life
But in plumbing can you be a well paid slave or decently earning individual especially in the city?
I travelled nine states for a large contractor that was founded in 1867. Carried a union card for a specific trade but handled whatever was needed. Did primarily industrial and institutional work. Our company had patented, proprietary systems. Handled power and control wiring, chiller, refrigeration, gas, oil, and pneumatic piping, sheet metal, balancing, commissioning, service and project management.
Have been 'retired' over 10 years and still get calls from old clients.
Great money and visits with old friends --
I flush mine once a week 52 weeks in a year
What's your opinion on manual feed versus self feed?
I love to see a manual feed system. It means that the homeowner HAS TO BE diligently looking at their system and keeping the water at the correct level. Manually fed boilers last longer because homeowners are used to taking water out when they put water in. That was the procedure thought since back in the day. Systems with automatic feeders are good also but the problem with that is that the homeowner doesn’t have to constantly look at their water level resulting in a neglect of their systems. Automatic feeders can also fail and floor the house. But if a homeowner has a automatic feeder and takes the water out once a week the system should be just as good as a manually fed.
And since you ask the question I know you care about your system I’ll give you a nice tip to even make your boiler last longer. Make sure to have (if you already don’t) the boiler being fed HOT WATER instead of cold water. This will add so much life to your boiler.
Thank you for the support and ask any questions you may have 💪🏼👍🏼
@@NYCHvac am not a heating guy but how do you feed it hot water if your using the boiler to heat the water
@@mrr-ee6ui good question. So it depends but it’s the same principle. Essentially you want to find the domestic hot water line coming out from the mixing valve. (The pipe that’s closest to the boiler that feeds your house sinks and showers) and then have a Tee going to the feeder from there. Or if you have a storage tank have the hot water pipe feed the boiler. Basically the hot water pipe that’s feeding into your home that’s where you’d want the boiler to get water from. It’s good to do this because the boiler only needs water when the boiler is at its hottest (because it boiled or steamed the water) so feeding it cold water makes the cast iron fatigued.
@@mrr-ee6ui: A boiler heats and recirculates water to heat a building, it's not the water heater that heats water for hot water at the faucets.
@@NYCHvac: Why would it make a difference. The water in the line between the water heater and the boiler would be room temperature. Because of that it would still get the shock of comparatively cold water. Mine has an automatic filler, and I wouldn't expect it to take enough at a time to get past the room temperature water(unless I'm flushing it). That being said, I don't have to think about since it is automatic, so maybe I'd be surprised how much it takes.
I hold a master mechanical license. I try to just do hydronic heating. It’s an in between, thing, so I’ve attempted to specialize, but I still get more forced air work than what I would like
I push for hydronic heating and mini split for cooling.
@@Dunkdamonk those are the most comfortable and efficient homes I’ve ever been in.
I’ve done some radiant heat paired with Evap coolers too, but it’s like 9-20% humidity where I’m at. Lol. And it’s nowhere near as nice as a mini split. Some of these old school hippies keep their windows open majority of the spring and summer, so we just go Evap for them :)
In Australia plumbers do HVAC as a specialty
Same in big part Europe, we are all called plumbers, if you put up contidioner unit, you are plumber, if there is pipe, then you are plumber and you job requaires plumber
When you’re a plumber, you only need to remember three things;
1) Shit doesn’t run uphill
2) Don’t eat with your fingers
3) Payday is on Friday
You and broski guy should colab
Please
Fix the damn pipe when you are still there ! Don't be afraid to get that money 🤑
We have plumbers working with us we let them eat too 💪🏼 but if we didn’t you betcha!!!
@@NYCHvac that's probably cuz you're in a City that's communist-controlled by unions. That's stupid to send two different trucks and two different men out to do a job. Waste of time and the customers money
I'm a plumber in Colorado and here it's the plumber who installs AND services the boilers (at least in the areas I've worked).
HVAC is usually installing and servicing AC, furnaces, fancoils, ducting and venting.
Yea a lot of HVAC companies forget about the “H” when it comes to boilers. Here in NYC hvac companies know how to cut thread reem black pipe. Hvac companies leave it to plumbing and heating companies. It’s kinda backwards but I get it.
I do both broskie
You one of the few good ones 💪🏼👍🏼
Jake Holman blew the glass at every change of watch
Tell them only thing we both do well is Brazing us Plumbers have med gas and HVAC have refrigerant lines stick to your craft and if you don't have a licence don't touch my pipe and if you don't have hvac and epa don't touch hvac , do not let handymen work on no mechanical at all unless you want to swim 😂
😂💯💪🏼
You think med gas is hard? Heat the joint cherry red and force a whole rod into it. Done.
HVAC guy here, and I 100 percent agree with you. Great job by the way my man.
I was an HVAC tech for a hospital for 21 years.
If you were assigned this job it doesn't matter what letters you had behind your name.
You completed the job even the pipe.
Boilers got blown down every day.
Thank you for your service 💪🏼 as a tech in the middle of the winter we prioritize emergencies like having no heat. The leaking pipe can be passed so we can take care of more no heat calls. I’m glad you know about blowing down the boilers. So many in these comments have no idea
This guy could talk about the most boring things and make them sound interesting! Love the accent, NYC accents are the best in the world, best Australian or a Russia speaking English. Subbed just because the accent.
“Mom I want to watch HydroNYC”
“We have HydroNYC at home.”
Are you a stationary engineer ? They call us power engineers in Canada . Love the content I been doing shit outside my trade this year you earned a subscribe my friend 🎉
I’m a service tech going house to house. I’m not ready to be stationary maybe when I get older. I appreciate the support 💪🏼
My mom has one of those furnace,shits old as her but it's still going strong.
In Oregon plumbers and hvac workers are not allowed to touch boilers unless they have a boiler license . And if that sight glass is that plugged my guess is the mud legs in the bottom of that sectional boiler are chalked full . A proper blow down that was piped in correctly would help fix that problem .
As an HVAC tech from the south I can say with confidence I do not know what that thing is nor do I want to. 😂
We usually do both in nyc. If a master plumber owns the company, you are installing and serving boilers, AC systems, gas, stacks, vents the whole nine.
Snoop dogg when hes feelin like a handyman😂
We clean ours once a month - once a year. But it’s just the pressure control tanks, not water heaters/furnace.
That reminds me of a Burnham boiler I had installed in a house from the 20s…converted oil to gas. All that rust comes from the steel pipes in the house, eventually, the pipes nearest the floor will corrode open. Had that one happen once.
I did plumbing since I was a teen and then swapped to hvac a few years ago. Best of both worlds.
Got an old bank we have to make sure the boiler is flushed and the pilot is lit every time we service
That boiler is going to be making lots of noise with lots of airbubbles haha!
That’s funny I just told my father when I was in the basement the water looked dirty and we should flush it and he said the plumber said we don’t need to do that it’s self sustaining lol and this video popped up. guess what he’s doing right now 😂. thank you for the advice
You need to drain the dirt pocket valve every week during heating season and every 2 weeks during non heating seasons. I had the automatic waster feed removed from my steam boiler, this mad me have to perform the above referenced maintenance
As a homeowner with access to the internet and a drive to do it right. I do every single trade.
Cuddos to you my friend. I too because of TH-cam try anddo many things
Both can install and service steam boilers depending on their training and background. If you add water you are adding more minerals. If he is a boiler tech he could fix leak he most be a maintenance tech
I’m from Germany, the Apprenticeship I do covers a little bit of all aspects, Heatings, Air Con, Plumbing, Climate systems etc.
I’m surprised at how some of the same professions have different requirements and learning areas than here.
In Germany, where I learned the trade I did a stint of 6 months on hvacs to learn about them. So in end effect , we can service them too
LOL at the end. "yeah I need a plumber" lol
Guy kinda sounds like Silvio Dante I love it🤣
My man’s talking to me like a 90s crime movie or sumn
If you're handy enough to be a plumber or a hvac tech you can certainly be both
As an hvac tech... I have a boiler license.... I've installed boilers and serviced boilers.
I started my plumbing career in New England. I live in Georgia now. I may not know much about forced hot air but I can service a boiler. What you’re doing here could crack the boiler by the way. Unless you’ve taken the proper steps. The average person or plumber would be lost here. You’re right.
Well said sir I’m a plumber I stick to plumbing much respect for both trades we all have our own place in the field know your roll an stick tah what ya know 🤘🏽
I was a jet engine mechanic, pneudralics, and electrical and environmental specialist. Plus a pharmacy license. Bam!!!
Haha this is perfectly timed, I'm a plumber switching over into hvac 😂
No we are Not hvac professionals I can't tell you how true this is, great video
There is one field where hvac and plumbing intersect. Marine air conditioning uses water to carry the thermal load. It involves quite a bit of plumbing.
If a plumber and electrician had a baby, the baby would be a nice hvac baby! I’m an HVACer btw.
I thought you meant to do this whole job every week but just opening that valve once a week is easy enough for me to do once a week if i had one
My dad worked for a plumbing and heating outfit and wore both those hats.
I am proud to be a plumber and a hvac engineer for 34 years 😃
I always find these interesting to see the difference between systems in the UK Vs the US, especially because it varies so much by location in the states due to different weather conditions
I totally agree! I do the same 💪🏼
As a new construction plumber, i really respect yall service guys
PS my fault in advance, we got deadlines and limited materials lmfao #looksgoodfrommyhouse
I worked at Mead Johnson doing site maintenance and that reminds of going around collecting samples for water softner testing throughout at all the condensate pumps and the make up towers. I miss all those rusty site glasses and 🔥 💧
I was working on the controls and wiring of a mini split the other day, the homeowner was unloading a trailer of landscaping rock, etc, and he said, “Man, I wish I was an electrician, too!” I said, I’m not an electrician, I’m HVAC. Eats digging rock or turd tuggling. I do appreciate you plumbers out there!
Now if someone became both that would be some real job security
Low water cut off switch will trip sometimes if you drain it that fast
I'm a plumber and I do steam boilers installation and regular boilers and install oil tanks
Thought I was about to hear “what up broskis”
So if you're a licensed plumber and certified HVAC, you're a superhero?
I would think so.
I know and do both. Thats job security.
We need more handymen. Too many ppl sticking to a single trade.
Actually Steve lam….. is both and he is in TH-cam. He is certified in all the gas and hvac and pipe fitter crap. Dude does everything.
And here comes a carpenter that can do both your jobs!