Thank you Avi Loeb for doing what you are doing, speaking out and putting up with the negative reactions. It is important for humanity to find out, if there is something exceptional going on. We can only win studying the phenomenon. No matter what causes it, we will learn something new, which is super-exciting.
It’s irrational to oppose a colleague scientist for researching a phenomenon. I wish people would focus on what they do, instead of criticizing others. They must be limited in their imagination and jealous of the determination, courage and ideas of others.
I didn't get or see the name of the interviewer but you are amazing. I got my minor in philosophy and it was nice to hear someone talk and ask questions in a way that sounds like a professional philosopher. I'm guessing that you at least have a BA in philosophy but I could be wrong. It just sounded that way to me with the kinds of questions and whatnot. I love how you used that knowledge to communicate with him in a way outside of a pure layman or as a scientist. Great job on the interview
Hey Justin! I just got a reply from FLI and the interviewer's name is Lucas Perry and he is now host for Mu! You can find him on: www.youtube.com/@mu3183
Modern scientists who specialized into these fields are worried their degrees, their stature would become irrelevant, and would lose their stature among other academic leaders. Our group has found artifacts that defy origins of our nation, early trade, and we have been bullied by those people to keep our findings private.
It would be really interesting to see how humanity would adapt to discovering not just one species but many species And learning who’s good, who is aggressive/regressive, and who is neutral. 1:54:34 And not being naïve but also not being overly aggressive/paranoid to every species we meet and so we do not eliminate Becoming friends with them because of that.
Fundamentalne myśli i wartości w poszukiwaniu sensu życia we wszechświecie i na ziemi w ostatniej fazie filmu, mógłby się z tym zapoznać Bill Brama, może świat byłby lepszy i bezpieczniejszy. Ludzie obawiają się asteroid, armagedonu, gdy tymczasem sami dla siebie jesteśmy zagrożeniem. Avi Loeb bardzo pięknie przypomina o skromności w życiu i roli nauki, o wolności myślenia, której tak teraz brakuje. Odpowiedz 1 lat
Logically (cartesian realism), if one dare suppose an object (Oumuamua) was sent to check on the Earth, or on its population, or where exactly is that civilisation at, then one has to imply a certain context for that to be happening within a logical continuum. In that case, it had to have been planned (designed in advance), and that brings up many more questions than answers (looking back at earthlings history).
@STORM - Next Generation Storm Chasing Simulator (as per continuum) One could invoke The Mayan Calendar ending abruptly (Dec21, 2012) whereas that type of 'calendar' works indefinitely.
I imagine it’s in his book, but I haven’t heard anyone mention the fact that Omuamua’s trajectory appeared to be ideal for an object arriving from north of our solar system’s plane.
Avi’s the man. But it wasn’t only scientists who were rejecting Galileo’s evidence; like today, it was many of his scientist colleagues; if it were just philosophers, their naivety and narrow-mind would have been more understandable; but the fact that so many scientists ridiculed and dismissed him make it a more despicable and cannibalistic matter.
Avi is inviting main stream science to think differently , however looking forward to insights beyond the same old, same old: egg gathering, daughters that need to venture out into the world, and ants hogging with a grain of sand.
Most likely mataphor: Earth is a lake and humans are fish. Not all boats are fishing. Some are just having fun. This was most likely a low budget cruise.
I’m baffled by the great number of people who don’t believe there is advanced life other than humans, I’m also very frightened by the fact that the people we call scientists refuse to even consider it.
Avi sounds like a great scientist but poor to average utilitarian. Here are my reasons: 1) He is obviously dedicated to truth seeking and empiricism in an admirable and intellectually honest way. 2) He obviously does *not* consider the *risk/benefit of truth seeking* compared to other endeavors. Of course, this might work out ok because how zero-sum this is, is also certainly up for debate. But I like to think that it is better to be aware of this. 3) e.g. His dismissal of a critiscism of gravitational waves. I personally agree with the critic that this discovery is "unimportant" - because the *experimental confirmation* of gravitational waves is essentially valueless to society in terms of utility, and could have been predicted that way. However, he justifies it as "important" because it became "the hottest frontier in astrophysics" and had a "nobel prize awarded". I don't hold that those things have intrinsic value, and an argument needs to be made that the discovery has either improved people's lives, or plausibly will compared to other uses for the investment of both money and smart people. 4) I hold this argument applies to all fundamental physics, most of astrophysics, and a significant amount of astronomy. Luckily they for the most part share the same tools (JWST seems valuable to me, because it has so many uses). LIGO is a good example of a specialised tool that did nothing, and will probably not do anything, to improve the lives of everyday people in the near future, and *maybe* forever. Also: A) I really agree with his outlook that there are highly unstudied areas for no good reason! eg. cameras to confirm UFO sightings, moon archeology, watching for more oumuamuas all seem like great ideas because seem like they are very unknown with potentially large upside relative to their cost. B) I would like to clarify that the majority position (among general public and the scientists that Avi criticises) on "UFOs aren't alien" and "Oumuamua isn't alien" should probably be interpreted as "our prior is that the probability of the class of hypotheses "oumuamua is natural" has significantly more probability than the class of hypotheses "oumuamua is artificial". I think there are a lot more ways & probability that oumuamua could be an undiscovered kind of natural object, than there ways & probability it could be an artificial object. On the other hand, unlike most general public and even scientists, Avi and I are comfortable using probabilities. It's a very confusing object! A 1% or even 0.1% chance that it's artificial seems pretty fucking important!
See 1:25:49. You can't show that ANY scientific experiment will be 'valueless'. GPS needed general relativity to make it work. This happened decades after the many experiments which proved GR to be true, which according to YOU were valueless at THAT TIME. So unless you can give a PROOF that gravitational wave detection experiments are 'valueless' your entire argument is defective.
common sence, a universe is much larger than a solar system, so if you havent read the manuel, inspect all details, as clowns still remain clowns,but they are normally tories,and have a religion problem, quite common in scotland
If you're willing to accept it being artificial, then the acceleration needn't be due to radiation pressure from the sun, but could be some kind of onboard propulsion. I suppose this is less likely though as the vast majority of artificial objects are probably inert junk.
you apparently didnt understand or listen to the full explanation. Something artificial does not need propulsion to move through space at the speed that Oumuamua was moving at nor does it mean there needs to be anything active or running. It simply could just be technological junk from another civilization.
I wish more would pay attention to the probabilities. He delineates well, the unusual likelihood of a list of items each at 1%, the combined probability that such a thing would exist by mere accident is very low, as he says basically trillions to one. Would that such observations relative the origin of the pandemic virus were applied to our terrestrial virus origin dilemma. I think the origin of that is much easier to calculate and ascertain with quite high probabilities. Yet like this object in space, it does NOT fit the current narrative, it violates the zeitgeist. We see this closed minded attitude all over the place today and it is fostered by leftist religionists who on the one hand may be scientific religionists and on the other are woke religionists. Basically all ideologies today are in fact a religion or cult of some kind, and they have the audacity to proclaim any religion based in Deism as mere fiction, while it is they who live their own quite actual fiction. They do this by sifting information that fits their beliefs and disregarding other evidence by not bothering to observe it, as he mentioned about grass growing.
Pascal argument doesn't make any sense. I could say that tomorrow the entire universe will explode if you won't give me a million dollars. By that logic you couldn't ignore that, because the consequences are too big.
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This dude is a freaking legend. No social media, high credibility. Accepts when he is wrong, open mind. We need more of Avi
Good job Avi "Galileo" Loeb! 👍
Superb interview! Avi is legendary. Thank you !!
This guy is intelligent. It's refreshing to hear.
good to see podcasts like this popping up more
Thank you Avi Loeb for doing what you are doing, speaking out and putting up with the negative reactions. It is important for humanity to find out, if there is something exceptional going on. We can only win studying the phenomenon. No matter what causes it, we will learn something new, which is super-exciting.
It’s irrational to oppose a colleague scientist for researching a phenomenon. I wish people would focus on what they do, instead of criticizing others. They must be limited in their imagination and jealous of the determination, courage and ideas of others.
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Top scientist Avi. Fantastic analysis 🧐
This fella is the new Einstein.
I didn't get or see the name of the interviewer but you are amazing. I got my minor in philosophy and it was nice to hear someone talk and ask questions in a way that sounds like a professional philosopher. I'm guessing that you at least have a BA in philosophy but I could be wrong. It just sounded that way to me with the kinds of questions and whatnot. I love how you used that knowledge to communicate with him in a way outside of a pure layman or as a scientist. Great job on the interview
Also very interested on knowing who the brilliant interviewer was! Seems young but absolutely brilliant! :)
Hey Justin! I just got a reply from FLI and the interviewer's name is Lucas Perry and he is now host for Mu! You can find him on: www.youtube.com/@mu3183
SO GOOD! THANK YOU AVI.
Modern scientists who specialized into these fields are worried their degrees, their stature would become irrelevant, and would lose their stature among other academic leaders. Our group has found artifacts that defy origins of our nation, early trade, and we have been bullied by those people to keep our findings private.
Avi is definitely the 'Sharpest cookie in the jar'😂
Ordering his book right now
It would be really interesting to see how humanity would adapt to discovering not just one species but many species And learning who’s good, who is aggressive/regressive, and who is neutral. 1:54:34 And not being naïve but also not being overly aggressive/paranoid to every species we meet and so we do not eliminate Becoming friends with them because of that.
Fundamentalne myśli i wartości w poszukiwaniu sensu życia we wszechświecie i na ziemi w ostatniej fazie filmu, mógłby się z tym zapoznać Bill Brama, może świat byłby lepszy i bezpieczniejszy. Ludzie obawiają się asteroid, armagedonu, gdy tymczasem sami dla siebie jesteśmy zagrożeniem. Avi Loeb bardzo pięknie przypomina o skromności w życiu i roli nauki, o wolności myślenia, której tak teraz brakuje.
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If omooahea was aimed at earth, we would never even know we went extinct .
I made it to the end - great video
Logically (cartesian realism), if one dare suppose an object (Oumuamua) was sent to check on the Earth, or on its population, or where exactly is that civilisation at, then one has to imply a certain context for that to be happening within a logical continuum. In that case, it had to have been planned (designed in advance), and that brings up many more questions than answers (looking back at earthlings history).
@STORM - Next Generation Storm Chasing Simulator (as per continuum) One could invoke The Mayan Calendar ending abruptly (Dec21, 2012) whereas that type of 'calendar' works indefinitely.
I imagine it’s in his book, but I haven’t heard anyone mention the fact that Omuamua’s trajectory appeared to be ideal for an object arriving from north of our solar system’s plane.
How fast was omooamoowah traveling ?
Remember James Edward McDonald, Ph.D., a pioneering UFO researcher.
Avi loeb now made a Discovery😮 alien tech may be😊
The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few.
Avi Loeb is da real s***! A true scientist.
Is the clock in the background on a flat or curved surface?.
Even if there aren't any aliens, we still need to prepare for the unknown.
Avi’s the man. But it wasn’t only scientists who were rejecting Galileo’s evidence; like today, it was many of his scientist colleagues; if it were just philosophers, their naivety and narrow-mind would have been more understandable; but the fact that so many scientists ridiculed and dismissed him make it a more despicable and cannibalistic matter.
Naivete and narrowmindedness are prerequisites for PhD defense.
Reaction nr 60! Youre welcome 😁
What kind of technology would keep a bio-organism alive to travel between interstellar spaces.
@@InterviewsWithTheAncients, I am not denying anything, I am just curious of their technology.
We have no reason to believe technologically advanced aliens haven't shed biology long ago
A refrigerator?
Avi is inviting main stream science to think differently , however looking forward to insights beyond the same old, same old: egg gathering, daughters that need to venture out into the world, and ants hogging with a grain of sand.
Was the space telescope pointed at omooahmoowa ?
What course was omooahmoowa traveling? Where is it going ?
Most likely mataphor: Earth is a lake and humans are fish. Not all boats are fishing. Some are just having fun. This was most likely a low budget cruise.
אני מארגן קבוצות של 10אנשים בצפייה של כדורי האור שמגיעים מהחלל החיצון. כול מי שמעוניין לראות במו עינייו בזמן אמת מוזמן לכתוב
I’m baffled by the great number of people who don’t believe there is advanced life other than humans, I’m also very frightened by the fact that the people we call scientists refuse to even consider it.
if super advanced, they could push a button for direct worm holes and warp drives.
אבי, יד שתתחיל לפרוש בעולם טלסקופים, יהיה מאוחר מדי. אני מציע לך לצפות בזמן אמת בעיניך בלבד. תיצור איתי קשר.
Others do exist. The evidence is everywhere.
People believe themselves to be smart. What would aliens say ?
My son calls it Ou mua mua (with kissing sounds)
If a lie is told and the one's who know the truth are (dealt with) then the lie becomes the truth.
We can't rule space without putting the investment $ into development and research.
Avi sounds like a great scientist but poor to average utilitarian. Here are my reasons:
1) He is obviously dedicated to truth seeking and empiricism in an admirable and intellectually honest way.
2) He obviously does *not* consider the *risk/benefit of truth seeking* compared to other endeavors. Of course, this might work out ok because how zero-sum this is, is also certainly up for debate. But I like to think that it is better to be aware of this.
3) e.g. His dismissal of a critiscism of gravitational waves. I personally agree with the critic that this discovery is "unimportant" - because the *experimental confirmation* of gravitational waves is essentially valueless to society in terms of utility, and could have been predicted that way. However, he justifies it as "important" because it became "the hottest frontier in astrophysics" and had a "nobel prize awarded". I don't hold that those things have intrinsic value, and an argument needs to be made that the discovery has either improved people's lives, or plausibly will compared to other uses for the investment of both money and smart people.
4) I hold this argument applies to all fundamental physics, most of astrophysics, and a significant amount of astronomy. Luckily they for the most part share the same tools (JWST seems valuable to me, because it has so many uses). LIGO is a good example of a specialised tool that did nothing, and will probably not do anything, to improve the lives of everyday people in the near future, and *maybe* forever.
Also:
A) I really agree with his outlook that there are highly unstudied areas for no good reason! eg. cameras to confirm UFO sightings, moon archeology, watching for more oumuamuas all seem like great ideas because seem like they are very unknown with potentially large upside relative to their cost.
B) I would like to clarify that the majority position (among general public and the scientists that Avi criticises) on "UFOs aren't alien" and "Oumuamua isn't alien" should probably be interpreted as "our prior is that the probability of the class of hypotheses "oumuamua is natural" has significantly more probability than the class of hypotheses "oumuamua is artificial". I think there are a lot more ways & probability that oumuamua could be an undiscovered kind of natural object, than there ways & probability it could be an artificial object. On the other hand, unlike most general public and even scientists, Avi and I are comfortable using probabilities. It's a very confusing object! A 1% or even 0.1% chance that it's artificial seems pretty fucking important!
See 1:25:49. You can't show that ANY scientific experiment will be 'valueless'. GPS needed general relativity to make it work. This happened decades after the many experiments which proved GR to be true, which according to YOU were valueless at THAT TIME. So unless you can give a PROOF that gravitational wave detection experiments are 'valueless' your entire argument is defective.
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common sence, a universe is much larger than a solar system, so if you havent read the manuel, inspect all details, as clowns still remain clowns,but they are normally tories,and have a religion problem, quite common in scotland
If you're willing to accept it being artificial, then the acceleration needn't be due to radiation pressure from the sun, but could be some kind of onboard propulsion. I suppose this is less likely though as the vast majority of artificial objects are probably inert junk.
you apparently didnt understand or listen to the full explanation. Something artificial does not need propulsion to move through space at the speed that Oumuamua was moving at nor does it mean there needs to be anything active or running. It simply could just be technological junk from another civilization.
I wish more would pay attention to the probabilities. He delineates well, the unusual likelihood of a list of items each at 1%, the combined probability that such a thing would exist by mere accident is very low, as he says basically trillions to one.
Would that such observations relative the origin of the pandemic virus were applied to our terrestrial virus origin dilemma. I think the origin of that is much easier to calculate and ascertain with quite high probabilities. Yet like this object in space, it does NOT fit the current narrative, it violates the zeitgeist. We see this closed minded attitude all over the place today and it is fostered by leftist religionists who on the one hand may be scientific religionists and on the other are woke religionists. Basically all ideologies today are in fact a religion or cult of some kind, and they have the audacity to proclaim any religion based in Deism as mere fiction, while it is they who live their own quite actual fiction. They do this by sifting information that fits their beliefs and disregarding other evidence by not bothering to observe it, as he mentioned about grass growing.
Pascal argument doesn't make any sense. I could say that tomorrow the entire universe will explode if you won't give me a million dollars. By that logic you couldn't ignore that, because the consequences are too big.
This comment is a false equivalence
@@deafworm777 How is that?