This is what I try and tell people all the time, you can't possibly use all that power and capability on the street. The car never feels stressed and you never reach anywhere near the limit. The GTR was a bit better than the corvette in this situation but you still couldn't really be full throttle for more than 2 seconds. The limit is what you want that's what makes a car fun and engaging. For the track these cars are phenomenal, truly uncompromising performance but for the road I'd rather have something like a miata.
I've always been a fan of the Merc AMG GT since it's release. I would also pick it over the two if given the choice and I prefer the styling of the GTR too.
Quite the upscale review. Keep up the good work. Although I haven’t driven those two exactly, I agree with your sentiment. I believe driver confidence and enjoyment are more important that raw numbers. They seem to be so underrated because most people never get to experience “too much car for the street”.
I wonder how much power the Merc really puts out. It seems just like Porsche Merc under rate the power of their cars. My guess is that the Merc is +600hp...
Just found your channel. Good stuff! I currently have 2020 AMG GTR-Pro with Renntech mods (669hp, 624tqe). Couple of things...the engine sits behind the front axle, so it behaves like a front midengine car. Also, the 4 wheel steering makes the car feel much more nimble, had to get used to the feeling with slow turns, felt like the rear was going to kick out. But I find the suspension just a little too stiff for daily use. Otherwise, love the car...
You can find a slightly older AMG GT for about the same money as a ZR1 all in they're about the same money. The AMG is a much better balanced car. There's a reason the AMG does 6: 43 on the Nurburgring .... The Corvette should have came with a DCT option or does it ?
You need to point out the fact that the zr1 testing at the track at that time, was down over 100hp+. They ran the car with roughly 10hp less than a z06 puts out and still almost dipped into the 6 minute range.. i prefer the zr1. Owned previous C6 zr1 ( a beast) and looked at a AMG Gtr . The "pro" is a veryyyyy limited run car of 750 units while the c7 zr1 produced around 2900. The styling is you like it or dont with the amg really no in between. Either you liked the original gullwing or you didn't. I happen to like the interior more than the exterior on the AMG. I just know when i need to fix things , it will be a hell of a lot cheaper for the vette :) Don't know how took this into interior since what i wanted to post was the zr1 was down 125hp when it ran the 7:04 at the ring.
Great video! Really been loving your content and story telling. I'll be visiting the Bay Area soon from Northern VA and was wondering what are some of the local Cars and Coffee scenes? Would love to pay a visit!
Hell yes, AMG-GTR all day, sexiest car ever created in history. Both of these cars have the exact same nurburgring time, but the amg does it with 150hp less lol, the amg-gt is peak front-mid engine car, imagine the next one. The non pro is 100× more fun to drive on road, and the base gt is even better then that on road. Btw this AMG-GTR is 55lb lighter then the non pro and weighs 3539lb curb weight.
For future vids it would be fun to see your impression of classics, particularly the ones that have reputations as driver's cars like old Alfa Romeos or a BMW 2002. You have a ton of experience with modern stuff, so it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on a totally different type of experience. I imagine it is easier said than done allowing people to let you test their priceless classic (and I know you've reviewed an air-cooled 911), but this would be an interesting avenue to explore IMO.
Amazing cars that need a track to be fully realized but even on the street the giggles never end. I think the zr1 has a longer term appeal as it would likely take serious seat time to master the beast.
Any reason the GTR Pro badge was changed? Also appears to have different seats / rear wing was noted in the video. Perhaps you could ask the owner to describe all the modifications in another video. Thanks for sharing.
The GT-R is clearly the more approachable of the two and looks as if it can be enjoyed as much on as well as off the track. C7 is an intimidating mean machine that you can only taste 40-50% in the canyons yet would make an autocross monster with the long 2nd gear and bananas amount of traction!
I'm jealous again Fenton, what a great experience that must have been. I'm not a Chevy guy by any means, but I'm a fanboy of this absolutely savage ZR. Seems like your review is describing the different settings on these cars. Maybe your less than confidence inspiring driver experience of the C7 was influenced by setting the suspension to full sport mode and turning the traction control off? You didn't mention turning off the GTR's traction control but did say you adjusted it's suspension to "a nice balance between street and track." Any clarification there?
Every single review of the C7 ZR1 basically sums up as “this is the craziest, scariest most insane car that should never be driven at full throttle on the street.” Every. Single. One.
@@joeracer302 Okay, I haven't watched Every. Single. One, but I didn't suggest he try that. My observation is that if the ZR1's traction control was turned on, maybe Fenton's driving experience would have been more confidence inspiring.
Actually the traction control being disabled wasn't the primary reason I wasn't confident in the ZR1. It was mainly the disconnected steering feel. I couldn't predict how the car would behave in corners.
@@Zygrene Got it. You did mention the electric steering gave it a vague heavy wheel with no feedback. With all that HP and light rear end I was kinda freaked out that you turned the TC off. Made me nervous after seeing you drift that Ferrari. LOL
The C7 chassis just isn’t capable of that kind of power, and a supercharged 6.2l is making soo much torque down low it’s likely impossible to use it on the street on a street tire. I’d be curious what you thought of the earlier c6 z06, less low end torque more rpm and people making 650 hp to the tire with heads/cam/bolt on ls7s naturally aspirated. The C6 chassis has proven capable of supporting high hp more frequently also. Love the zr1 but its just too much, sounds like Mercedes found the right balance with the GTR Pro, do you think the gtr pro is worth 2x+ a normal AMG Gts or similar?
That’s not true. Real drivers especially old school drivers know how to manage throttle to control the back end. You can drive the thing and quite easy just gotta master how the car rotates and manage the weight load up. It’s not easy for most because in this day and age because most Americans aren’t going to a track or even trained in a manual. I also prefer the automatic to the manual. Helps the car make the most of the enormous acceleration it possesses
I gave you a hard time over your recent Tesla model 3 review so the least I can do is thank you for this excellent comparison. American auto manufacturers offer good bang for the buck but the Germans engineering is usually better.
Zora Racer One all the way... Who cares about the interior when you have a stick shift in your hand, looking at the rearview mirror, beating a dude on the Nurburgring that spent over 100K USD than you did on a flappy paddle gearbox, computer of a car. 🇺🇸 #ZR1 #Corvette #USDM #SaveTheManuals #Chevrolet
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This is what I try and tell people all the time, you can't possibly use all that power and capability on the street. The car never feels stressed and you never reach anywhere near the limit. The GTR was a bit better than the corvette in this situation but you still couldn't really be full throttle for more than 2 seconds. The limit is what you want that's what makes a car fun and engaging. For the track these cars are phenomenal, truly uncompromising performance but for the road I'd rather have something like a miata.
We couldn't agree more.
that's why you want a '67 Alfa Romeo GTV with 105 horsepower and 165 section width tires : ) Steering feel for days
I've always been a fan of the Merc AMG GT since it's release. I would also pick it over the two if given the choice and I prefer the styling of the GTR too.
You can change the C7 steering weight separate from what drive drive mode your in. The option is found in the infotainment screen.
no matter what steering mode you choose, it will be the same weigh in track mode.
Quite the upscale review. Keep up the good work. Although I haven’t driven those two exactly, I agree with your sentiment. I believe driver confidence and enjoyment are more important that raw numbers. They seem to be so underrated because most people never get to experience “too much car for the street”.
Love the comprehensive review - including steering feel double click :)
AMG gt line up is a time less beauty. It will definitely age well..
The AMG GTR PRO looks so mean and aggressive from the rear!! Love the review and comparison!!! I would also pick the Mercedes GTR Pro as well!!!
I wonder how much power the Merc really puts out. It seems just like Porsche Merc under rate the power of their cars. My guess is that the Merc is +600hp...
Just found your channel.
Good stuff!
I currently have 2020 AMG GTR-Pro with Renntech mods (669hp, 624tqe).
Couple of things...the engine sits behind the front axle, so it behaves like a front midengine car.
Also, the 4 wheel steering makes the car feel much more nimble, had to get used to the feeling with slow turns, felt like the rear was going to kick out.
But I find the suspension just a little too stiff for daily use.
Otherwise, love the car...
and a manual - nuts ! awesome video man ... ty
You can find a slightly older AMG GT for about the same money as a ZR1 all in they're about the same money. The AMG is a much better balanced car. There's a reason the AMG does 6: 43 on the Nurburgring .... The Corvette should have came with a DCT option or does it ?
Nice review. How much do you feel the width of these cars takes away from their enjoyment on canyon roads?
Hard choice between the two but I’ll choose zr1 for the more radical car and it sounds better
You need to point out the fact that the zr1 testing at the track at that time, was down over 100hp+. They ran the car with roughly 10hp less than a z06 puts out and still almost dipped into the 6 minute range.. i prefer the zr1. Owned previous C6 zr1 ( a beast) and looked at a AMG Gtr . The "pro" is a veryyyyy limited run car of 750 units while the c7 zr1 produced around 2900. The styling is you like it or dont with the amg really no in between. Either you liked the original gullwing or you didn't. I happen to like the interior more than the exterior on the AMG. I just know when i need to fix things , it will be a hell of a lot cheaper for the vette :) Don't know how took this into interior since what i wanted to post was the zr1 was down 125hp when it ran the 7:04 at the ring.
Great video! Really been loving your content and story telling. I'll be visiting the Bay Area soon from Northern VA and was wondering what are some of the local Cars and Coffee scenes? Would love to pay a visit!
Hell yes, AMG-GTR all day, sexiest car ever created in history. Both of these cars have the exact same nurburgring time, but the amg does it with 150hp less lol, the amg-gt is peak front-mid engine car, imagine the next one. The non pro is 100× more fun to drive on road, and the base gt is even better then that on road. Btw this AMG-GTR is 55lb lighter then the non pro and weighs 3539lb curb weight.
Viper ACR over both of these cars all day everyday.
@@iluvcakes19 eww that cars a tool btw lmao its not meant to be fun, its just a tool
For future vids it would be fun to see your impression of classics, particularly the ones that have reputations as driver's cars like old Alfa Romeos or a BMW 2002. You have a ton of experience with modern stuff, so it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on a totally different type of experience. I imagine it is easier said than done allowing people to let you test their priceless classic (and I know you've reviewed an air-cooled 911), but this would be an interesting avenue to explore IMO.
Great suggestion. If anyone has classics, please reach out!
Fantastic comparo. Subbed.
Amazing cars that need a track to be fully realized but even on the street the giggles never end. I think the zr1 has a longer term appeal as it would likely take serious seat time to master the beast.
True amg. Would take that over corvette I’m not even fan of latest amg cars.
Any reason the GTR Pro badge was changed? Also appears to have different seats / rear wing was noted in the video. Perhaps you could ask the owner to describe all the modifications in another video. Thanks for sharing.
Those are the standard bucket seats you get in the European spec.
@@roespeloes Right! They look much better than the ones I was forced to get in my Pro. Ha.
I was wondering why there wasn’t a race track flag on the badge as well
love your videos
What road is this? Been looking for some nice roads around the bay recently.
The GT-R is clearly the more approachable of the two and looks as if it can be enjoyed as much on as well as off the track. C7 is an intimidating mean machine that you can only taste 40-50% in the canyons yet would make an autocross monster with the long 2nd gear and bananas amount of traction!
Have you considered additional nuances such as maintenance?
Why does the Corvette steering wheel have paddles?
I'm jealous again Fenton, what a great experience that must have been. I'm not a Chevy guy by any means, but I'm a fanboy of this absolutely savage ZR. Seems like your review is describing the different settings on these cars. Maybe your less than confidence inspiring driver experience of the C7 was influenced by setting the suspension to full sport mode and turning the traction control off? You didn't mention turning off the GTR's traction control but did say you adjusted it's suspension to "a nice balance between street and track." Any clarification there?
Every single review of the C7 ZR1 basically sums up as “this is the craziest, scariest most insane car that should never be driven at full throttle on the street.” Every. Single. One.
@@joeracer302 Okay, I haven't watched Every. Single. One, but I didn't suggest he try that. My observation is that if the ZR1's traction control was turned on, maybe Fenton's driving experience would have been more confidence inspiring.
Actually the traction control being disabled wasn't the primary reason I wasn't confident in the ZR1. It was mainly the disconnected steering feel. I couldn't predict how the car would behave in corners.
@@Zygrene Got it. You did mention the electric steering gave it a vague heavy wheel with no feedback. With all that HP and light rear end I was kinda freaked out that you turned the TC off. Made me nervous after seeing you drift that Ferrari. LOL
Is that Terry's GTR??
It’s argue the AMG GT R is the reporting of high power American sports car too tbh
The answer is: Murica.
Well done!
What? An AMG is better than a Corvette? Who could have seen that one coming... LOL!
The only canyon rd that can handle the corvette is the green hell
That's a GT4 wing not GT3... Good looking
The C7 chassis just isn’t capable of that kind of power, and a supercharged 6.2l is making soo much torque down low it’s likely impossible to use it on the street on a street tire. I’d be curious what you thought of the earlier c6 z06, less low end torque more rpm and people making 650 hp to the tire with heads/cam/bolt on ls7s naturally aspirated. The C6 chassis has proven capable of supporting high hp more frequently also. Love the zr1 but its just too much, sounds like Mercedes found the right balance with the GTR Pro, do you think the gtr pro is worth 2x+ a normal AMG Gts or similar?
Interesting that the C6 chassis can handle more power than the C7. Makes sense though.
C6z06 is the peak front engine Vette in my opinion.
Yes 505 hp is plenty and another 100 with a cam and head swap . I’d rather have a manual nice C6 Z06 than a C8 if I had to keep and drive .
That’s not true. Real drivers especially old school drivers know how to manage throttle to control the back end. You can drive the thing and quite easy just gotta master how the car rotates and manage the weight load up. It’s not easy for most because in this day and age because most Americans aren’t going to a track or even trained in a manual. I also prefer the automatic to the manual. Helps the car make the most of the enormous acceleration it possesses
What does that cartoon drawing on your left arm say? I'm curious.
It says alpha male, jk I dunno
I gave you a hard time over your recent Tesla model 3 review so the least I can do is thank you for this excellent comparison.
American auto manufacturers offer good bang for the buck but the Germans engineering is usually better.
Oy! Should read German engineering
Why did you push the AMG and not the ZR1?
Are you bias ? I mean, try not to make it obvious next time.
Zora Racer One all the way... Who cares about the interior when you have a stick shift in your hand, looking at the rearview mirror, beating a dude on the Nurburgring that spent over 100K USD than you did on a flappy paddle gearbox, computer of a car.
🇺🇸 #ZR1 #Corvette #USDM #SaveTheManuals #Chevrolet
Mercedes is better
755. I mean, unless you’re a damn near pro driver competing on track, what’s the point? Seriously.