This is inadvertently the best Lee guide on TH-cam by a wide margin. Breaks down his punishes, his gameplan, his strengths, his weaknesses. Kudos, and thank you. I have no skill to play Lee, but this was fantastic haha
GM is the best Lee for a reason!! I had a whole Lee playlist made of YT guides, deleted it once I found GM’s channel. I was actually believing all that bs everyone else was saying and I was mad 🤣
Lee is a true definition of a legacy character. They hardly ever add much to him which keeps him unique. Tbh sometimes I’m glad he is the way he is because that shows u gotta actually use ur brain when playing him. All these other characters are brain dead to play.
THIS is why I mess with GM. Im not a Lee player and have little interest in playing the character, but I LOVE how mans breaks everything down n explains TEKKEN, not just Lee stuff. This gotta be the most comprehensive guide to Lee Ive ever seen and that wasn't even the reason I clicked on the vid. Great content homie! Keep up the MARVELOUS work.
I got mad respect for anyone that play Lee. That mf is mad difficult 😂. Also it’s tough that he gotta spend his heat just to get a combo follow up out of while rising 2,3
Really great breakdown…. Anyone can randomly say this Character is good or bad…. But the most important thing is to explain WHY….WHY…..they are good are bad, that is what separates casual takes from professional ones.
The thing about KingJae’s video is that he was just listing off a bunch of stuff that is indeed in his move list but doesn’t really speak to why he’s supposedly S tier
All King Jae did was prove what GM said in the first place. Lee is a good character, but he’s not S-Tier. It was a weird video. It seems like it was only made because his feelings were unnecessarily hurt
All King Jae did was prove what GM said in the first place. Lee is a good character, but he’s not S-Tier. It was a weird video. It seems like it was only made because his feelings were unnecessarily hurt. Lots of misquoting and misinformation about GM as well.
I get really passionate about lee discussions so I just wanted to show what's good and bad about lee to clear the wrongs people been spreading about him as a character
@@jinjin45 It’s obvious king jae made the video cause his fragile childish ego was hurt GM said he’s not a pro. King Jae is a bum man been known it for a while
I watched kingjaes video and there was zero analysis of lees moves. He just picked some random moves and was shocked for no reason. Didn't even try to figure out the options.
I saw Jae's video and honestly most people in his comments do think you are right about this one. And even in his explanation he could not actually justify why Lee is S tier because he doesn't seem to know the character that well. Just the bit where you called him not a pro was the thing that could have been avoided.
@fightinggm Him saying you haven't traveled was unfair, you might not have in this game but you traveled for multiple games, you've put in your time going to tournaments
@@Section8dc King Jae is a bum so he’s saying anything he can to throw shade. Just because GM doesn’t travel or compete in tournaments doesn’t mean he wouldn’t wreck people. All King Jae’s comment speaks to is the reality of fighting game economics, which is not good for Tekken. There’s no money compared to Street Fighter. Criticizing GM for not traveling is ironic because financially it’s smarter not to travel when the money isn’t there.
I can't believe we are even having this conversation 😂😂 Anyone with half a brain and is somewhat competent at the game should know Lee is not among the best characters in the game. If he was we would see more people using him in tournaments. Common sense is rare these days smh.
The Lee GOAT has spoken! Great vid, been following you since the T5 days, no lie I thought you were a Korean player at first for the longest time lmaoo. The execution goes crazy
Lee has damn near just as many gimmicks as every other oppressive high tier characters. Just his punishment and counter hits alone make him much stronger than most characters.
@@manrightchea What gimmicks? His heat? His heat smash? His power Crush? Can he compare with other significantly better characters who excel in those attributes? No, he doesn't have unga bunga. The only 'gimmick' if you want to call it that is slide and his is the worst in the game by far. And god forbid some noob says "Muh b33" without realizing how unsafe that move is... Half the cast and all the top tiers can execute with ease and do insane damage. For Lee to compete requires mad execution and consistency. He has no god buttons...
@ lmaoo cap!!! Lee literally has no gimmicks (Plus frames are not gimmicks) and most of if not all of his lows can be parried also a Lee has to play damn near perfect to land a hit compared to 90% of the cast Lee literally has to put the most work in
@@manrightcheafind another channel to watch bro, all your comments on his page is you on his meat . It’s not that deep bro . Touch grass , lay in the dirt and pop a squat in it . Squat on dirt bro not meat .
You handle this like a pro GM. Sorry bro but I'm gonna go of topic for a moment. You said you use a wingman adapter to play tekken8 with a ps2 controller on you're ps5?
I've really only seen scrubs and that 'one guy' make the claim he's S tier. He is good in the right hands and is challenging. He is by no means bad, but S tier? Insane take
Anyone saying Lee is S tier is off their rockers and you should never listen to them again. These are the same people who said he was top 15 in T7 and that Kuni was mid tier on release when she OBVIOUSLY wasn't. The takes on some of these people are insane.
as a casual trying to get good, idk how robust the information in this one alone makes me understand more of the tekken fundamentals. The explanation you provide is not just usefull, but motivating in a way. hell i dont even play Lee, but i feel like Lee's makes u learn tekken better? he makes u read ur opponent? Also you seems like having different understanding of the game than most ppl in a good way. Wish i find ur content sooner. im glad tho. peace!
People like to base their opinions on character placements in the tier list on feelings and frustrations and not the actual frame data and tools the characters utilize in game that is undeniably successfully. I cannot tell you how many times I've been told as a Raven main that im "carried" because "clones are cheap" heat clones are -3 and none heat clones are -14. Is his heat good? Yes but outside of heat he is a 50/50 high-risk character who is really weak to SS left. A lot of his strings end high so he can be ducked and he is really susceptible to launch punishment when blocked.
I think Jae got offended by the first part of the video when u said hes not a pro. He basically tried his best to prove his point instead of lookingat what u stated. He got hung up and offended so he biasely tried his best to defend his point.😊
Other dude literally says twice in his video that he doesn’t know Lee that well. Then proceeds to tell us Lee is S tier because b3,3 and b4 are “annoying” and slide exists. That guy had to be baiting with that bs.
Dope video GM ✊🏼. I play a lot of gold tier (no pros) Lee mains and they’re more than a handful as a current Bryan main. It’s like we’re playing the exact same game plan. Life is easier for whoever can poke to a life lead, but Bryan’s comeback potential is much much better whereas I think Lee has a much easier job maintaining life leads (now you gotta play into his strengths). I’ve always liked Lee since the original Tekken, but I gravitate more towards villainous characters lol. I love the speed and easier (than Bryan’s) ability to manipulate your opponent. But anyway, Lee ain’t no S tier. His heat is only good for one big combo then either pressure or punish with the just-frames with the threat of his low hitting smash…thoughts of a non-pro lol…and perspective of a Bryan player (damn near every other character looks and feels better).
He just didn't like you saying he doesn't know what he's talking about because he's not a pro. When he has competed in Tekken. So I understand his confusion on you discrediting his opinion
A pretty objective, pretty detailed, and easy to understand video... THIS is how you explain why a character is placed in a certain place in a tierlist... not waking up one morning after u gut bodied in rank by a Lee the day before, turning on your console and sit down and do some random stuff with the character and whining about the most silly things like Lee's db3 not being LAUNCH PUNISHABLE, not even knowing its basics and say the character is S tier because you say so. Really nice vid GM. The funniest thing is a lot of the people commenting crap are not even blue ranks just a bunch of stiff brainless repeating parrot scrubs.
Facts. That's what bugs me the most about these younger/newer Tekken players they think they know everything. but can't give a valid explanation on why. Like you said probably got out played by a lee player and feeling some kind of way
I will always respect you for being honest about characters you main. Clear strengths and weaknesses as I feel all characters should be. Unfortunately since Lee is lower tier than most characters people like to use the downplaying card anytime you say he isn't OP.
Every Lee player is a good player thats why everyone thinks he is really good. Because only a good player is going play him he is that difficult in a game where character like Clive exits
Nah bro... Lee requires fundamentals so we tend to be better but the mirrors ive had where there's just ungabunga b33 spamming and button mashing Lees that literally make me dislike the character... lmao
Great response without really responding. You addressed what the other creator said with knowledge, and you explained your credibility as to why that other person should shut their mouth with the misinformation. Thanks for the breakdown playa.
Another thing Lee has that's exceptionally good is his wall-carry and his follow-ups. If you get knockdown by Lee, 99% of the time he will follow-up that. But I still wouldn't call him S-tier. He doesn't carry anyone to the top 'cause he needs a specialist to be piloted. But on the right hands, he can be a real troublemaker, for sure.
Lee is a pretty strong character and feels very fun to play but I don't think he's even close to S tier. I noticed that sometimes it's hard for Lee players to open up defensive players. Imo it seems like a lot of his strong tools require counter hits against aggressive players and his down 3 counter hit combo (if you have the execution for it).
I'd put Lee in either low A tier or B tier. He suffers from many weaknesses that many characters don't have and when you are fighting against meta characters as Lee you'll have to give your 100% in order to beat them.
Previously I thought lee was B-C tier and that kingjae was wild for saying he's S tier. But damn after watching this video he's an A tier character imo now. 1. Oppressive keep out 2. Strong small tekken (poking) 3. Highly evasive setups 4. Ch fishing monster 5. High dmg punishment vs cast 6. Punishes that other characters dont have which wall splat for large combos 7. Recoverable meter for heat, low heat smash that isnt launch punishable with wall breaks for full combo. Not S tier but there's definitely some downplaying.
for being a leo main and this being a rather hard match up for leo, i ain't know this much stuff upon him was not that safe truly but his punishment is insane which makes me hesitate fighting him for the most part
dude got offended by you saying hes not a pro with no offense meant by you and jumped straight into making video about it and lee chaolan to prove a point he cant prove because it would be making stuff up xD its crazy honestly
Really appreciate you making this, educating the current and future lees and correcting those who are butthurt over an inoffensive comment with no dirty intention. I disliked the slating Lee got by “that one person” because it wasn’t factual nor evidence based, you did exactly that and proved yourself. Nobody has a better opinion on Lee than you. I myself agree that Lee is strong, but definitely not S tier
He's definitely easier than his Tekken 7 counterpart but he is a pretty heavy execution character to get the full potential out of him I'm not a pro but to me its just seems like common sense
Even though I am not a pro player or anything like, but my initial response to those who say Lee is S Tier is that he is defo not S Tier, first thing came in my mind is that you can use spacing and movement against Lee. Also if you ask many pro players to rate Lee, I guarantee most of them will not consider Lee as S Tier.
KJ received the critism thinking you're discrediting his accomplishment and his attempt to justify his response towards you without atleast having the decency to research and learn the character. I think you're right in this one GM. He can have his opinion and you can have yours but I'll favor the one that has done more research on the topic. Lee takes more skill compared to others but can acknowledge his strengths and weakness but he ain't no S tier haha.
Seems like Lee is more a "noob killer" you don't have the knowledge he's gonna stomp ya but if you have any understanding of the character you can shut his offense down.
They should give Lee a mid heat smash from HMS that gives wallsplat.. because even though his heat smash is low and unseeable.. the damage is so bad.. you cant even close out the round with it unless they almost dead 😂 that would be good to add to the mind games and it would be fair because we had to deal with his trash heat for the whole of season 1 😂
Everything GM is saying is the very reason Lee isnt very good! in tournament and in rank, because Lee needs multiple matches to figure out the opponents timing to land counter hits and Lee just has to guess on the opponents options way too much..
Lee may not be S tier but he’s very very good. His hit box on b4 and definitely ff3 is ridiculous to broken (ff3). He’s got Bryan’s game plan but easier to execute. Another thing that makes Lee so good is it’s easy to get his just-frames. Lee being able to poke and his evasion makes him extra dangerous in this Tekken.
i just don't see that hes s tier. yes hes incredibly strong, but what character isn't? almost all characters are super strong, its the top 8-10 that are actually broken and o.p. at first i struggled a lot with lee but slowly learning his matchup it really just requires a lot of patience to not play into his strings and pressure. after doing that you can see he no longer continues to feel "busted"
Damn - Lee is interesting AF. Diabolical. He may end up being my secondary. I love psychological warfare and skullduggerous sh1t. Lee is good and dirty. Imay have to pick him up.
Just started video and I can 100% guarantee that dude talking doesn’t play enough Lee to ever make that statement. To call him S tier would mean he’s up there with characters that have nowhere near the execution Lee requires. I’d argue it’s harder to learn consistent Lee just frames then learning electric combos. And I’ll die by that. Acid rain is an obnoxious input. Especially online.
Idk what this is all about ofc lee isn't S-tier the character ain't dominating tourney, HE AINT EVEN dominating in ranked he hardly gets played in high level due to how hard he is and how demanding.
At this point. I think King Jae just fell off so he's been getting into so much drama lately to make himself relevant again. Hot take but that's just my opinion. No disrespect.
He’s a content creator. Drawing clicks is part of his job. He’s been crying pretty loudly about dumb stuff since the start of 8 tbh. Not to say he’s always wrong, he’s not, but there’s been a lot of dumb stuff along the way.
lee imo has some of the sauciest looking combos in the game. i love seeing lees combos along with more advanced shaheen while standing 3 loops or stance cancel loops. i watch king jae and fighting gm. people take what gm says too out of context and or i get his sarcasm and clap back sometimes it’s a northeast thing and can see how it gets to some people sometimes but to me man it’s hilarious to see gm go in on someone i would let my friends or someone else criticize my shitty play. so long as it’s game related and not that serious ya feel me?
I think the miscommunication with Jae was GM probably meaning ‘not being a pro *with Lee*’, and Jae interpreting it as ‘not a pro in general’. Easily done. There’s a reason we aren’t seeing this character at big tournaments much, despite him having strong tools.
Man, the guy that made that video out of pure insecurity. He got defensive about the truth. He's not exactly a pro in tekken. Imo you're not really a pro until you have either won a tournament or consistently placed in at least top 8s. Why get offended over that? Dudes feelings was hurt hearing that he's not a pro. In his video, he struggled just to do the just frames. I'm no pro, I'm not that good. I play Lee because I like the character. And even I can manage some of the just frames better than him. If he wanted to say a character is S tier, he should have studied the character fully and tried some of the stuff. But dude went into training mode and just said, "See this move? This is annoying". That's not an indication of an S tier character. Proving he doesn't know what he's talking about.
@Tuxedosnake00 it's ok to be a casual. It's ok if you don't know. The dude has a high opinion of himself and doesn't like someone being honest. Being honest is now disrespectful.
Lee is NOT an S tier he is the only character that play tekken 7 in tekken 8 even if heat is active because he has nothing special in heat like the other characters his moves been easy to excute dosent give you any advantege in time you will master his moves and his heat smash is the worst in the game i hope they give him something while the heat is active in season 2 patch.
Folks really were just taking the first bit “He’s not a pro” seriously like that. Some folks just never been around a East Coast mf before esp New York 😂
Yeah but idk gm i have no place to be talking but Lee is just sooooo annoying I try so hard but I just get smacked he’s one of the few characters that makes me wanna just pull my hair out
I didn’t realize this was a Kingjae sneak diss but that makes sense lol Jae is a content creator, never been a competitor. His opinions should not be taken that seriously imo. I personally still think Lee is really good and slept on but a) I’m just a random Tekken Emperor and b) calling him S tier like he’s as strong as the other top 6-8 is insane. Like no serious person actually believes he is in the same weight class as Drag, Nina, Yoshi, Jin, Shaheen, Alisa, etc. He’s good but nowhere near that good.
I meant it as a joke mostly Like it’s a response showing why you think (and I agree) he’s wrong I know there’s no real beef, I just thought it was funny
Man im glad you made this vid GM so its in the archives and can be viewed too many ppl dont know shit about Lee or tekken for that matter. All these my first tekken was T7 ppl. Getting on the soap box preaching about a mid tier character being S tier becuase theyre inexperienced
I had to plus people spreading lies just saying I just make toxic spicy content when I've made countless of guides helping people. So this had to be made
Jae is a Pro Streamer, not a Pro Gamer. Traveling to multiple tournaments doesn’t make you a Pro Gamer. You have to consistently place in the Top 8 or Top 16 to really be considered a Top Player. Anything in Top 32, 64, 100 is only impressive to say if you did that at Evo or a tournament with a huge number of entrants. Saying Lee is “S” actually exposes the skill level he thinks he’s at. Saying a character is “S” tier means they are a minimum Top 5 character or Maximum Top 3 character in this game. Lee isn’t either of these, so Jae gotta Hold the L on this one
Jae isn't even a good streamer. Most of his streams I watched was him getting salty and angry at the game and the characters calling them names and ignoring his chat
This is inadvertently the best Lee guide on TH-cam by a wide margin. Breaks down his punishes, his gameplan, his strengths, his weaknesses. Kudos, and thank you. I have no skill to play Lee, but this was fantastic haha
GM is the best Lee for a reason!! I had a whole Lee playlist made of YT guides, deleted it once I found GM’s channel. I was actually believing all that bs everyone else was saying and I was mad 🤣
I really appreciate the kind comments thank you all
The fact that you literally have to waste heat to do one of Lee’s main combos already keeps him from being S or A tier
Correction GM’s Lee is S tier 😂
Thank you sagiebob
I think putting it accurately would be to say GM’s Tekken is S-tier, and he mains Lee.
Lee is a true definition of a legacy character. They hardly ever add much to him which keeps him unique. Tbh sometimes I’m glad he is the way he is because that shows u gotta actually use ur brain when playing him. All these other characters are brain dead to play.
You speaking facts
Lee rewards legacy skill. He rewards people that know MUs and when to interrupt or when to wait and punish.
THIS is why I mess with GM. Im not a Lee player and have little interest in playing the character, but I LOVE how mans breaks everything down n explains TEKKEN, not just Lee stuff. This gotta be the most comprehensive guide to Lee Ive ever seen and that wasn't even the reason I clicked on the vid. Great content homie! Keep up the MARVELOUS work.
Thanks bro much appreciated
I think not having a win button like soul eraser or blonde bomb disqualifies you from being S tier
Because you can spam soul eraser 🤣🤣🤣
@ how many times do you need to do it? 2-3 is enough. You can’t spam blonde bomb either
I went in unbiased and after his video I felt like he really didnt know the character that well, he basically proved your point in his own video
I got mad respect for anyone that play Lee. That mf is mad difficult 😂. Also it’s tough that he gotta spend his heat just to get a combo follow up out of while rising 2,3
Really great breakdown…. Anyone can randomly say this Character is good or bad…. But the most important thing is to explain WHY….WHY…..they are good are bad, that is what separates casual takes from professional ones.
The thing about KingJae’s video is that he was just listing off a bunch of stuff that is indeed in his move list but doesn’t really speak to why he’s supposedly S tier
All King Jae did was prove what GM said in the first place. Lee is a good character, but he’s not S-Tier. It was a weird video. It seems like it was only made because his feelings were unnecessarily hurt
All King Jae did was prove what GM said in the first place. Lee is a good character, but he’s not S-Tier. It was a weird video. It seems like it was only made because his feelings were unnecessarily hurt. Lots of misquoting and misinformation about GM as well.
I get really passionate about lee discussions so I just wanted to show what's good and bad about lee to clear the wrongs people been spreading about him as a character
@@jinjin45100% accurate😭. The whole video he kept saying Lee is a good character, which is what GM said lmao.
@@jinjin45 It’s obvious king jae made the video cause his fragile childish ego was hurt GM said he’s not a pro. King Jae is a bum man been known it for a while
I watched kingjaes video and there was zero analysis of lees moves. He just picked some random moves and was shocked for no reason. Didn't even try to figure out the options.
great in depth video,crazy this video had to be made but people got more Lee tech as a result
I saw Jae's video and honestly most people in his comments do think you are right about this one. And even in his explanation he could not actually justify why Lee is S tier because he doesn't seem to know the character that well. Just the bit where you called him not a pro was the thing that could have been avoided.
Most of the comments was people saying lots of false stuff about my tournament background and hating. Il make a video soon showing my achievements
@fightinggm Him saying you haven't traveled was unfair, you might not have in this game but you traveled for multiple games, you've put in your time going to tournaments
kinjae is a yapper
34:01 Here he put it great here. He’s not a pro LEE player.
@@Section8dc King Jae is a bum so he’s saying anything he can to throw shade. Just because GM doesn’t travel or compete in tournaments doesn’t mean he wouldn’t wreck people. All King Jae’s comment speaks to is the reality of fighting game economics, which is not good for Tekken. There’s no money compared to Street Fighter. Criticizing GM for not traveling is ironic because financially it’s smarter not to travel when the money isn’t there.
awesome video, i dont even play lee but it was nice to learn more about the character.
Glad you enjoyed!
I can't believe we are even having this conversation 😂😂
Anyone with half a brain and is somewhat competent at the game should know Lee is not among the best characters in the game.
If he was we would see more people using him in tournaments.
Common sense is rare these days smh.
The Lee GOAT has spoken! Great vid, been following you since the T5 days, no lie I thought you were a Korean player at first for the longest time lmaoo. The execution goes crazy
🤣 🤣 I did get trained my holeman and rain so maybe that's why . Thank for your support
@@fightinggmthats a cool fact!
Lee is not a busted character whatsoever especially compared to other characters in this game💀
Lee has damn near just as many gimmicks as every other oppressive high tier characters. Just his punishment and counter hits alone make him much stronger than most characters.
@@manrightchea What gimmicks? His heat? His heat smash? His power Crush? Can he compare with other significantly better characters who excel in those attributes? No, he doesn't have unga bunga. The only 'gimmick' if you want to call it that is slide and his is the worst in the game by far. And god forbid some noob says "Muh b33" without realizing how unsafe that move is...
Half the cast and all the top tiers can execute with ease and do insane damage. For Lee to compete requires mad execution and consistency. He has no god buttons...
@ lmaoo cap!!! Lee literally has no gimmicks (Plus frames are not gimmicks) and most of if not all of his lows can be parried also a Lee has to play damn near perfect to land a hit compared to 90% of the cast Lee literally has to put the most work in
@@manrightcheafind another channel to watch bro, all your comments on his page is you on his meat . It’s not that deep bro . Touch grass , lay in the dirt and pop a squat in it . Squat on dirt bro not meat .
@@manrightchea Green rank type comment
Glad this isn't a diss video, appreciate this just being an educational video.
It was all in kingjaes head bro
You handle this like a pro GM. Sorry bro but I'm gonna go of topic for a moment. You said you use a wingman adapter to play tekken8 with a ps2 controller on you're ps5?
Yes I do a brooks converter and a wingman fgc
@fightinggm Thanks, GM.
GM responded the best way possible with facts 😂💪🏽
Had to bro without bashing anyone but teaching!
I've really only seen scrubs and that 'one guy' make the claim he's S tier. He is good in the right hands and is challenging. He is by no means bad, but S tier? Insane take
Next video: reviewing King Jae's gameplay
Anyone saying Lee is S tier is off their rockers and you should never listen to them again. These are the same people who said he was top 15 in T7 and that Kuni was mid tier on release when she OBVIOUSLY wasn't. The takes on some of these people are insane.
Facts
33:57: People are spreading a lot of B...wrong information about Lee Chaolan 😂
was waiting for this
as a casual trying to get good, idk how robust the information in this one alone makes me understand more of the tekken fundamentals. The explanation you provide is not just usefull, but motivating in a way. hell i dont even play Lee, but i feel like Lee's makes u learn tekken better? he makes u read ur opponent? Also you seems like having different understanding of the game than most ppl in a good way. Wish i find ur content sooner. im glad tho. peace!
People like to base their opinions on character placements in the tier list on feelings and frustrations and not the actual frame data and tools the characters utilize in game that is undeniably successfully. I cannot tell you how many times I've been told as a Raven main that im "carried" because "clones are cheap" heat clones are -3 and none heat clones are -14. Is his heat good? Yes but outside of heat he is a 50/50 high-risk character who is really weak to SS left. A lot of his strings end high so he can be ducked and he is really susceptible to launch punishment when blocked.
In conclusion, Lee is A-tier at best, and that’s only if you are an expert in Tekken. If your Tekken is trash, your Lee will be trash.
Don’t even need to be an expert lol. Expert play is where Lee starts having his work cut out for him. Lee is an absolute scrub killer.
I think Jae got offended by the first part of the video when u said hes not a pro. He basically tried his best to prove his point instead of lookingat what u stated. He got hung up and offended so he biasely tried his best to defend his point.😊
It's crazy cause it was a 17 youtube streams ago 🤣 he said he had it on. His backlog of content to upload smh
@ thats OD xD
I mean king jae not wrong tho gm is good but he's deadass a online warrior hop in some tournaments and show em whats up
@slayerrazaro8174 u can check my youtube I've uploaded all my tekken 8 tournament runs lol
@@slayerrazaro8174show me your tournament runs my guy
Other dude literally says twice in his video that he doesn’t know Lee that well. Then proceeds to tell us Lee is S tier because b3,3 and b4 are “annoying” and slide exists.
That guy had to be baiting with that bs.
Dope video GM ✊🏼. I play a lot of gold tier (no pros) Lee mains and they’re more than a handful as a current Bryan main. It’s like we’re playing the exact same game plan. Life is easier for whoever can poke to a life lead, but Bryan’s comeback potential is much much better whereas I think Lee has a much easier job maintaining life leads (now you gotta play into his strengths).
I’ve always liked Lee since the original Tekken, but I gravitate more towards villainous characters lol. I love the speed and easier (than Bryan’s) ability to manipulate your opponent. But anyway, Lee ain’t no S tier. His heat is only good for one big combo then either pressure or punish with the just-frames with the threat of his low hitting smash…thoughts of a non-pro lol…and perspective of a Bryan player (damn near every other character looks and feels better).
He just didn't like you saying he doesn't know what he's talking about because he's not a pro. When he has competed in Tekken. So I understand his confusion on you discrediting his opinion
A pretty objective, pretty detailed, and easy to understand video... THIS is how you explain why a character is placed in a certain place in a tierlist... not waking up one morning after u gut bodied in rank by a Lee the day before, turning on your console and sit down and do some random stuff with the character and whining about the most silly things like Lee's db3 not being LAUNCH PUNISHABLE, not even knowing its basics and say the character is S tier because you say so. Really nice vid GM. The funniest thing is a lot of the people commenting crap are not even blue ranks just a bunch of stiff brainless repeating parrot scrubs.
Facts. That's what bugs me the most about these younger/newer Tekken players they think they know everything. but can't give a valid explanation on why. Like you said probably got out played by a lee player and feeling some kind of way
I will always respect you for being honest about characters you main. Clear strengths and weaknesses as I feel all characters should be. Unfortunately since Lee is lower tier than most characters people like to use the downplaying card anytime you say he isn't OP.
I wanna show stuff rather then just talk. I agree lee isnt as strong as people think. I hope season 2 he will become better
Leroy needs to become better not Lee. He has enough tools as it is.
@@manrightchea We can have both. Plus I'd rather have harder characters like Lee get stronger than cheesier ones like Leroy first
Also note: if you play against people that love to down poke, UF3,4 counts as much as a UF4 and can be OS’d to get a cool 80 ball or stay safe
Great informative video bro 👍
Glad you liked it
I do think Lee is a very underrated character but the people saying that he's S tier are crazy
I don't think so cause lee is only good if u a long time specialist. Most people that play lee don't even use his strengths
@fightinggm true, you do make lee seem like a way better character that he is.
I think lee is about top 14-15. Shaheen is top 9-10 and law is top 11-12.
Hi GM, can I ask you why we don't have D2 CH launcher anymore like it was in Tekken 7? Is not like it was an overpower or overused move
I guess people thought it was broke
Every Lee player is a good player thats why everyone thinks he is really good. Because only a good player is going play him he is that difficult in a game where character like Clive exits
Nah bro... Lee requires fundamentals so we tend to be better but the mirrors ive had where there's just ungabunga b33 spamming and button mashing Lees that literally make me dislike the character... lmao
Great response without really responding. You addressed what the other creator said with knowledge, and you explained your credibility as to why that other person should shut their mouth with the misinformation. Thanks for the breakdown playa.
Much appreciated!
I seen the recent Jae stuff... quite interested to hewr ur opinion on it.
Another thing Lee has that's exceptionally good is his wall-carry and his follow-ups. If you get knockdown by Lee, 99% of the time he will follow-up that. But I still wouldn't call him S-tier. He doesn't carry anyone to the top 'cause he needs a specialist to be piloted. But on the right hands, he can be a real troublemaker, for sure.
As it should be
Lee is a pretty strong character and feels very fun to play but I don't think he's even close to S tier. I noticed that sometimes it's hard for Lee players to open up defensive players. Imo it seems like a lot of his strong tools require counter hits against aggressive players and his down 3 counter hit combo (if you have the execution for it).
I'd put Lee in either low A tier or B tier. He suffers from many weaknesses that many characters don't have and when you are fighting against meta characters as Lee you'll have to give your 100% in order to beat them.
Previously I thought lee was B-C tier and that kingjae was wild for saying he's S tier. But damn after watching this video he's an A tier character imo now.
1. Oppressive keep out
2. Strong small tekken (poking)
3. Highly evasive setups
4. Ch fishing monster
5. High dmg punishment vs cast
6. Punishes that other characters dont have which wall splat for large combos
7. Recoverable meter for heat, low heat smash that isnt launch punishable with wall breaks for full combo.
Not S tier but there's definitely some downplaying.
Keep out can not be opressive in a game designed for mash out gambling
Based GM
You should be the go to guy when it confirms what's what in Tekken.
90% of people have a crazy bias
Yeah exactly idk why he isnt dudes been proven correct in all his gameplay analysis
Il get there soon I'm still new to content thanks everyone
@@fightinggm people are mad cos bad, you stay true to yourself and keep it real and you are doing us a favour bro
good video i learned a lot about lee in this video thanks man
Glad I could help
for being a leo main and this being a rather hard match up for leo, i ain't know this much stuff upon him was not that safe truly but his punishment is insane which makes me hesitate fighting him for the most part
dude got offended by you saying hes not a pro with no offense meant by you and jumped straight into making video about it and lee chaolan to prove a point he cant prove because it would be making stuff up xD its crazy honestly
Funny how the more your legit, the more ppl complaining about your statements. Funny how TKCommunity is.
It's sad isn't it
A new FightingJIM and Lee Chaobla video? Noice!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Really appreciate you making this, educating the current and future lees and correcting those who are butthurt over an inoffensive comment with no dirty intention. I disliked the slating Lee got by “that one person” because it wasn’t factual nor evidence based, you did exactly that and proved yourself. Nobody has a better opinion on Lee than you. I myself agree that Lee is strong, but definitely not S tier
This that joint I been waiting for 😂
Ill trust someone who is chacter loyal over someone who is looking at lee from the outside
He's definitely easier than his Tekken 7 counterpart but he is a pretty heavy execution character to get the full potential out of him I'm not a pro but to me its just seems like common sense
The best Lee player.
Best lee tutorial ngl. Also u completly destroyed at the end.
Sup bro, how do I get coaching sessions?
Discord is gmfizzle
Even though I am not a pro player or anything like, but my initial response to those who say Lee is S Tier is that he is defo not S Tier, first thing came in my mind is that you can use spacing and movement against Lee. Also if you ask many pro players to rate Lee, I guarantee most of them will not consider Lee as S Tier.
This just got more complicated. All these numbers, Mr. Krabs would’ve been the Proest Pro in Tekken. Mad OD!
Lets get it!
KJ received the critism thinking you're discrediting his accomplishment and his attempt to justify his response towards you without atleast having the decency to research and learn the character. I think you're right in this one GM. He can have his opinion and you can have yours but I'll favor the one that has done more research on the topic. Lee takes more skill compared to others but can acknowledge his strengths and weakness but he ain't no S tier haha.
Lee is SS Tier. Super Sick 😂
Seems like Lee is more a "noob killer" you don't have the knowledge he's gonna stomp ya but if you have any understanding of the character you can shut his offense down.
Can u do a lee beginners guide
Check out my ultimate lee guide in this channel and my teaching a lee student
They should give Lee a mid heat smash from HMS that gives wallsplat.. because even though his heat smash is low and unseeable.. the damage is so bad.. you cant even close out the round with it unless they almost dead 😂 that would be good to add to the mind games and it would be fair because we had to deal with his trash heat for the whole of season 1 😂
maybe finnally im gonna learn lee matchup a bit. thx for video.
Np bro
Everything GM is saying is the very reason Lee isnt very good! in tournament and in rank, because Lee needs multiple matches to figure out the opponents timing to land counter hits and Lee just has to guess on the opponents options way too much..
Lee may not be S tier but he’s very very good. His hit box on b4 and definitely ff3 is ridiculous to broken (ff3). He’s got Bryan’s game plan but easier to execute. Another thing that makes Lee so good is it’s easy to get his just-frames. Lee being able to poke and his evasion makes him extra dangerous in this Tekken.
i just don't see that hes s tier. yes hes incredibly strong, but what character isn't? almost all characters are super strong, its the top 8-10 that are actually broken and o.p. at first i struggled a lot with lee but slowly learning his matchup it really just requires a lot of patience to not play into his strings and pressure. after doing that you can see he no longer continues to feel "busted"
what pad or stick is he using?
Ps2 controller
Damn - Lee is interesting AF. Diabolical. He may end up being my secondary. I love psychological warfare and skullduggerous sh1t. Lee is good and dirty. Imay have to pick him up.
Do it. Intensely rewarding once you become competent with him
@ I can already tell.
Just started video and I can 100% guarantee that dude talking doesn’t play enough Lee to ever make that statement. To call him S tier would mean he’s up there with characters that have nowhere near the execution Lee requires.
I’d argue it’s harder to learn consistent Lee just frames then learning electric combos. And I’ll die by that. Acid rain is an obnoxious input. Especially online.
It was made off emotions. Not off knowledge
I gotta work hard for my wins with lee
Idk what this is all about ofc lee isn't S-tier the character ain't dominating tourney, HE AINT EVEN dominating in ranked he hardly gets played in high level due to how hard he is and how demanding.
At this point. I think King Jae just fell off so he's been getting into so much drama lately to make himself relevant again. Hot take but that's just my opinion. No disrespect.
He’s a content creator. Drawing clicks is part of his job.
He’s been crying pretty loudly about dumb stuff since the start of 8 tbh.
Not to say he’s always wrong, he’s not, but there’s been a lot of dumb stuff along the way.
@fightinggm Have you seen Miirio’s “Make Lee’s Heat Great Again” vid? Some pretty good suggestions on how they could buff him.
Il check it out soon
He's definitely not s tear
I think you can make Lee look godlike but he is a specialist character he’s not that crazy when you play him at a average level
lee imo has some of the sauciest looking combos in the game. i love seeing lees combos along with more advanced shaheen while standing 3 loops or stance cancel loops.
i watch king jae and fighting gm.
people take what gm says too out of context and or i get his sarcasm and clap back sometimes
it’s a northeast thing and can see how it gets to some people sometimes but to me man it’s hilarious to see gm go in on someone
i would let my friends or someone else criticize my shitty play.
so long as it’s game related and not that serious ya feel me?
Good stuff GM
Appreciate it
I think the miscommunication with Jae was GM probably meaning ‘not being a pro *with Lee*’, and Jae interpreting it as ‘not a pro in general’. Easily done. There’s a reason we aren’t seeing this character at big tournaments much, despite him having strong tools.
Yea guys let’s make his heat smash break the wall but not wall splat good idea right 😱
Say it again for the People in the BACK! 🗣️ 0:08
Man, the guy that made that video out of pure insecurity. He got defensive about the truth. He's not exactly a pro in tekken. Imo you're not really a pro until you have either won a tournament or consistently placed in at least top 8s. Why get offended over that? Dudes feelings was hurt hearing that he's not a pro. In his video, he struggled just to do the just frames. I'm no pro, I'm not that good. I play Lee because I like the character. And even I can manage some of the just frames better than him. If he wanted to say a character is S tier, he should have studied the character fully and tried some of the stuff. But dude went into training mode and just said, "See this move? This is annoying". That's not an indication of an S tier character. Proving he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Because he hangs out with knee doesn't make him a professional lmao, dude us delusional
@Tuxedosnake00 it's ok to be a casual. It's ok if you don't know. The dude has a high opinion of himself and doesn't like someone being honest. Being honest is now disrespectful.
I'm here for the smoke
Lee is NOT an S tier he is the only character that play tekken 7 in tekken 8 even if heat is active because he has nothing special in heat like the other characters his moves been easy to excute dosent give you any advantege in time you will master his moves and his heat smash is the worst in the game i hope they give him something while the heat is active in season 2 patch.
they should give slide CH on normal hit in heat???????????
Master class
Fire !!!
Folks really were just taking the first bit “He’s not a pro” seriously like that.
Some folks just never been around a East Coast mf before esp New York 😂
Yeah but idk gm i have no place to be talking but Lee is just sooooo annoying I try so hard but I just get smacked he’s one of the few characters that makes me wanna just pull my hair out
Goofy ah thumbnail
I didn’t realize this was a Kingjae sneak diss but that makes sense lol
Jae is a content creator, never been a competitor. His opinions should not be taken that seriously imo.
I personally still think Lee is really good and slept on but a) I’m just a random Tekken Emperor and b) calling him S tier like he’s as strong as the other top 6-8 is insane. Like no serious person actually believes he is in the same weight class as Drag, Nina, Yoshi, Jin, Shaheen, Alisa, etc.
He’s good but nowhere near that good.
This wasn't a sneak diss lol this was me just showing that what he is saying and others is false. I'm tryna educate people. Not everything is a diss
I meant it as a joke mostly
Like it’s a response showing why you think (and I agree) he’s wrong
I know there’s no real beef, I just thought it was funny
Nice to have a free Lee guide refresh in this beef video 😂
I wouldn't call it beef bro it's one sided beef I never had a issue or beef with him
Debate isn’t beef bro
@fightinggm yeah it feels like some people just want to cause trouble between you two and shoved that old clip in his face.
Man im glad you made this vid GM so its in the archives and can be viewed too many ppl dont know shit about Lee or tekken for that matter. All these my first tekken was T7 ppl. Getting on the soap box preaching about a mid tier character being S tier becuase theyre inexperienced
I had to plus people spreading lies just saying I just make toxic spicy content when I've made countless of guides helping people. So this had to be made
From the perspective of a Leroy main, yeah they might think in comparison to Leroy, Lee is S tier…
King Jae is not qualified to speak about Lee or other characters, I think he's a Edy main 😂
Jae is a Pro Streamer, not a Pro Gamer. Traveling to multiple tournaments doesn’t make you a Pro Gamer. You have to consistently place in the Top 8 or Top 16 to really be considered a Top Player. Anything in Top 32, 64, 100 is only impressive to say if you did that at Evo or a tournament with a huge number of entrants. Saying Lee is “S” actually exposes the skill level he thinks he’s at. Saying a character is “S” tier means they are a minimum Top 5 character or Maximum Top 3 character in this game. Lee isn’t either of these, so Jae gotta Hold the L on this one
Jae isn't even a good streamer. Most of his streams I watched was him getting salty and angry at the game and the characters calling them names and ignoring his chat
😂😂😂