[HOLOLIVE] Noel Tells Us How A Sudden Change in Hololive Direction Helps Her Grow Personally
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It's funny, Fauna is weirdly similar on the EN side. She plays games, chats, does ASMR, but never was a singer, never wanted to focus on dancing or other big-production 3D events... and yet she is doing concerts, karaoke, and 3D stuff all the time. Danchou and Fauna have both really come a long way. Both feel SO integral to Hololive, even if they aren't singer-dancers like some.
if you think abt it, most talent that is good in ASMR are clearly bad in singing, i wonder why
@@guromaiden2026 I think it's pretty clear that you usually need SOME kind of talent to get into Hololive. The big ones are probably singing, dancing, and art, but there have clearly been some niche skills like gaming and ASMR.
@@guromaiden2026 they haven't found a good vocal teacher. hololive may have singing lessons but imo the lessons are more focused on performance than singing correctly. of course, not all members want to be a Suisei or a Nerissa so it's understandable that the lessons are made that way I presume.
To be honest, this is what I would like to see more of. My dream is a creation of something like "Hololive Gamers EN" - a group with little focus on singing and dancing and more on streaming and gaming. I miss the pandemic days of Hololive. Songs and concerts aren't the reason why I fell in love with Hololive.
In short, I'd love to see more Faunas in Hololive ^^
the holo cow
While it does hurt my ears, and it might not be for everyone, Noel's Karaoke is always very cute and fun with her "passion singing." While she's still not great, she has improved, and I would be sad if she stopped.
She's just like Ame. Both of them are very endearing.
i love that she embraced the singing and turned it into a feature ^_^ she's one of my fave to listen to utawaku, even through her bad singing you can hear all the passion and enthusiasm ^_^ and most importantly the goofiness
lol even Japanese have Graduation PTSD
"You stream everyday this month, are you going to graduate?"
man those people are more panicky than us. We only feel that when we see sudden white paper black text announcement.
Cue the "always has been" meme
Can’t blame em’ 😅
Can't blame the poor lads. So far, we have 1 termination and 2 graduations this year. Can't imagine the despair and depression if there's a 3rd graduation or 2nd termination. I mean, they had enough suffering (me including). 2024 is cursed !
its a really good clip as well. Noel has progressed so much as a hololive member. she might not be the best singer, but I absolutely love whenever she tries her best. She's my oshi for that reason alone
I'm really glad she gained that confidence, because _Wander!_ is such an adorable jam, and I can't get enough of it.
Shes cute and goofy and upbeat. The singing is all part of that
Noel is honestly amazing, her singing really isn't the strongest, but she managed to get to a point where she can keep up with the rest of the insane talent at Hololive.
She also managed to end up with some of the best original songs in Hololive. She always bring so much fun energy to every song she sings, Danchou is awesome.
yeah! my favorite song from blue journey are Astro, was surprised how well danchou put together with okayu and kanata!
Shirogane Noel is my personal favorite JP Holomem of all time. Despite being bad at singing, she really is good at ASMR and other fun stuff. The singing moment that defined her was when she started crying on her anniversary and her best singing voice came out of nowhere.
I think a lot of Holomems sometimes compare themselves to the best in Holo, to Sora, Azki, Suisei. But that's not how singing works for most people. There are way more singers who are decent in their niche than there are who are good at everything. She's so cute on Homenobi and Lyrical Monster.
1:08 so she's saying there's a chance 😭
I'm glad she gained confidence from that change. I'm relistening to Wander! as I type this; it's so cute!
I hope there's no further graduation and termination until 2025. Because so far, this year is a fucking mess for depression and I can't take it anymore. I could have a heart attack if there's a bad news again ! 🤢
i want noel to be more brave and ask oversea branch to collab more, because she said so when pekomoon arc happen. iirc when pekora said pardun to her.
It has been the usual stories
Talent always think they can't perform, but once they tried it, they actually like it. I have heard similar stories from Ame as well.
Even someone who really don't want to sing or dance like Selen from NijiEN also at one time admit that she actually enjoy dancing after trying it.
Improvement takes practice. Practice takes time. And time is the most valuable resource one can harness. Use it to its fullest. That's what I hear watching this clip.
This means a lot coming from one of two of Hololive's officially (and jokingly) recognized Tone-Deaf Queens.
Noel has finally embraced learning how she can sing and aren't we all amazed at how a few originals she has released since then.
Choco is no slouch either - weak in karaoke, but hits her sultry peak when performing live. And even has a good number of originals to her name.
Only two? What about Ame?
I think Fauna squeaks out of that category just barely 😂
@@priestesslucy3299 they are all in the category quite comfortably IMO XD
Lyrical monster, wanderer is nice. Homenobi also. And Choco has so many good ones. Chocomelty, Secret class, Got cheat, medbay sickbay and a few more like Chcolove... All good ones.
This helps the timeline clarity for me. It's now clear that the gens up until 3 joined more with streaming in mind, while every gen after knew they were also expected to be part time idols
I think the most important part of karaoke is to have fun, not quality.
Noel's karaoke has always been my favorite ❤❤
Glad to hear that she's enjoying her time in Hololive. Noel Gyudon song is lowkey my favorite Holosong.
I think I'm just trying to read between the line here but the main part in my opinion is about the "surprise" And the "Nichijou" That the member want to maintain. Some is okay with the change in their "nichijou" Like her, but for some its a deal breaker.
That's whatI get at least
This really gets at something that some fans don't seem to appreciate. Hololive becoming an idol company, something that started long ago, is at the heart of the whole project. And I get it. It feels a bit off to assume that everyone at Hololive is aiming to be an idol, and that it can take away from their time or motivation to stream. Aqua's creative differences and graduation is being hinted here as possibly because of this, or at least partly so. But past a certain point after that shift in direction, the company has made it clear that this is what every new talent is auditioning (often multiple times) and signing up for. And in the bigger scheme of things, the company's support towards training idol skills and holding lives, is what gives the talent a reason to break out of comfort zones and shine; to come together as a group, working towards a greater goal, and show us all that they can draw eyes and audiences outside of the usual bread-and-butter stream.
Everyone in the comments is talking about Noel pressing on in spite of her lack of confidence in her singing, but all I can think about is her saying "I'd lick Yagoo's shoes"
Needs a vine boom sound effect for that.
Noel performance in all holofes are my fav performances, she is great.
I respect Noel a lot, she's extremely professional regarding Hololive
Thanks for the translations 🙏✨
The Dream lifts all boats. 😤
An idol company that doesn't lick fan's boots. This i approved
That's what karaoke is. Singing for yourself for others to listen. 🤣
Yagoo has been saying it's an idol company for how long now?😅
I mean, this does explain a lot when Aqua was saying how she wanted to go in a different direction to the way Hololive as a company was going, I guess.
And you get a SUB
there is a 0,00000001999% chance that she graduates, so she will definetely be the next
Watch her shorts it so fun haha
Not 100%? It's all over
There was Gura and Suisei in live stadium.
noel is honestly one of my favorite singers in hololive. it always kind of drives me crazy when a talent starts singing and it's so different from their speaking voice, and full of falsetto and other "good singer" techniques that kind of lose their individuality, so I appreciate that Noel sounds like Noel.
I think people's idea of singing is too simple. Noel's voice is unique to her and for that reason it's perfect for her. It's like Korone's perfect drawings. her recent song "wander" is one of my favorite holo originals for sure
Still the best rapper in Hololive imo. 😆
Man, I hope they don't stop playing games. Admittedly they're playing A LOT, so some more balance in that regard will probably do wonders for their well-being, but I just hope they don't entirely do away with gaming, and it makes sense why Aqua'd leave because of the change.
I hope so too. When I started watching Hololive, I described them to my friends as "as the most fun group of gamers ever". I don't care much about concerts, songs and idol stuff.
I just don't understand why - with SO many talents - they don't prepare different career paths. They could have talents with strong focus on singing and concerts, a different group focused on streaming and gaming, then another group being a mixed bag and maybe even more. Not everyone needs to be the same kind of mix of streamer and idol. I think it would be perfectly fine to have some members who'd be just streamers and some that are just idols. I think it would be a lot heathier for them as well, as they could focus on the thing they actually want to do without being bothered about stuff they're less interested in.
@@anbi7418 Maybe one way to answer this is to look from the investor's view. If I hear Yagoo reporting that the ROI from the streamer-only group is significantly lesser than that of the mainline (i.e. idol events, merchandizing), I will first question what these talents are doing, second I will question how this talent group is consistent with Yagoo's long-term vision of Cover's current talent development trajectory and the expansion of the company, and finally I will question what Yagoo will do to ensure that one this streamer-only group will generate returns and two if there will be future initiatives for these talents. If Im a investor I will see them a waste of investment, since they will not merch or do events, and will generate significantly less revenue than an actual group of idol vtubers (FYI in Cover's FY report, streaming SC covers only a third of total annual revenue).
I believe Yagoo has no choice. Its the only way for Cover to expand, or "Disnify" by appealing to the masses, which means idol culture.
@@alfredong6850 In a recent interview Yagoo mentioned they have ~80 active talents. I just don't understand why they all have to do roughly the same things. Because if they are all simmilar (a mix of idols and gaming, moving further towards idols), I don't see the point of having that many members - they just dilute the fanbase. And if the number of talents is to stay the same, why not diversify? I'd argue diversification would sound good for investors and also open up more markets.
Yagoo talks about expanding worldwide. I think he wants to bring the idol culture to every corner of the world but I just don't think it's going to happen. I'm from Poland, I observe the EU vtuber scene, I talk to EU vtuber fans. I don't think Cover will conquer Europe with just idols. Europeans who are into idol vtubers are already watching Hololive - there's nothing to gain here. Everyone else is watching vtubers with much less focus on music and much more focus on streaming. I don't want Hololive to make the infamous Walmart mistake, where Walmart brought their home culture to Europe without willing to change anything and couldn't figure out why it wasn't working.
@@anbi7418 YAGOO going to focus IP Licence like disney micky mouse, donald duck etc. not an idol LMAO!
and they have more income on Voicepack, Merch, Concert, Ad and TH-cam SUPERCHAT are Low income for them not because of IDOL LMAO!!! Post the LINK that Yagoo said he going to bring the IDOL CULTURE EVey corner of the world?
What change in direction does everyone keep talking about?
Going from variety streaming and content to professional production and idols. Meaning less random or wacky streams being automatically greenlit, cuz the 'brand' and sponsors need to be considered. Also more homework in terms of recording songs or voices for merch or sponsor collabs. And training for ever more highly produced concerts. Personally i feel that for now, they're still doing a good job keeping some of original randomness alive cuz the girls still get a lot of freedom streaming, but it's not like before.
@@franks777_KFP i admittedly stopped watching like 2 years ago and only watch clips here and there
What she's talking about is the reason why I'm slowly drifting away from Hololive. Hololive is feeling more and more like an actual idol group with every member constantly talking how little time they have, how many things they're constantly preparing for, recordings, meetings, concerts... Meanwhile, I just want a fun streamer group and there are many - often smaller - agencies and informal groups that offer just that.
I feel ya, this is just a by-product of Holo going corpo, they must scale up their return generation via merchandising and paid events.
Thing is Im always broke and will not pay unnecessarily, so entertainment like theirs to me stay within TH-cam, they will never have a penny from me. Which means Im also free to drift to whatever vtuber I wish without being tied down by sunk fallacy.
I miss the old Hololive, being indie and spontaneous hooligans, now their 'yabai' jokes feels fictitious as in they intend to bait their audience, not because they accidentally do it and truly freak out. If you know what I mean, it feels like they manufactured those moments to lure clippers. Something feels off, its not the same as that crazy nuts Hololive in the past, in fact back then when Coco was still around. Now that shes gone, everything feel too manufactured, too safe, too 'pandering to the masses' type, not from the heart.
This, and their talents now being committed to being actual idols instead of streamers.
What do you mean? There are plenty of members from EN/JP that streams 6+ hours daily even when they have live performance rehearsals.
That's what happens when the world is changing. We can't stay in the same place all the time or else there's no improvement. Change is good. But majority of everyone fears of it and that's understandable
@@fenrir3097 What I mean is that things are changing, and have been for a while. Although I must admit I don't know how things are on the JP side. However, on the EN side I don't agree. Gura and Ame are barely streaming these days. Ina and Irys have averaged 2 streams a week over the last 2 months. Kronii has been having a hard time for a while (and honestly I'm slightly worried about her). Bae admitted openly that she can no longer keep up the intensity.
The pattern I see is that Cover releases a new generation, that generation streams a lot initially, then they get a 3D debut and Cover starts to get them involved in concerts and recordings a lot - and this results in much fewer streams and especially collabs. The latest 2 EN generations stream a lot for now - but now that 3rd gen has had their 3D debuts I wonder if that's going to change - and I'm afraid the answer is "yes".
@@im_Iggy - I wouldn't get that philosophical. For me this change means that there is less and less Hololive in my life, and more other indies and agencies. The shame for me is that Hololive had this vibe of a coherent group - and while I watch a lot of other vtubers now, I miss this feeling coherency Hololive used to provide. It still does - but much less frequently.
That's honestly my least favourite thing about Hololive, compared to other companies. Because I DON'T care about idol stuff. So the focus on concerts and such is a bit of a turn off for me. It's especially bad during the live festivals and events, because all the talents are focusing on something I'm not interested in, so I have nothing to watch 😅 It's why I've started to branch out and started looking at other companies talents. And I've found some pretty good ones! So it's not all bad!
In all fairness, there are so many members, not just JP but also EN and ID - and THEN adding the Holostars on top of that - that even with a bunch of them doing concerts and the like you'll never be starved for quality stream content.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 Yes, of course, I didn't mean to imply that I don't watch HoloPro AT ALL anymore. Because I certainly do. It's just that during these times there's far LESS that I'd be interested in watching, and it's not like I watch every one of their streams at the best of times. That all being said, Cover re-focusing on the idol direction HAS diminished my interest in the company, as a whole, even if not entirely, so I have started looking elsewhere. That's not a bad thing, either. I've found some very charming streamers, like Chio from Pixellink and Echo from V+U, which I'd had likely never discovered if I stuck to just watching HoloPro. There's some real undiscovered gems out there and they also deserve our attention.
I hope that the new change of direction they seem to want to implement again in Hololive (which is why Aqua is leaving) is not a total abandonment of being a rather unique IDOL agency (come on, that's what we all fell in love with Hololive) and that they start forcing the boys and girls to mix and be a little more casual with the already established rules to please a small group of foreigners and end up being just another Nijisanji.
The change in direction Aqua was talking about is from 2 years ago, not right now.
Thanks for the clips man, so hard finding a jp members get clip and translated nowadays.
And I'm sorry if it rude, but do you guys have some channel recommendation that clips jp members daily? I've subscribers to many of those clipper, but after TH-cam being a Dck, almost all of them stop clipping.
Yh for some reason they all clip the english members when we can clearly understand what they say, not saying it's bad but I think we need way more jp clips.
youtube.com/@noisessv?si=rtgw5vhCn066vTlD
youtube.com/@hololiveclips?si=G-8HBakkrOguPM8n
youtube.com/@yuratl?si=Fbr7WfadJhVqWcPk
@@Diceobsession there is a LOT actually, but they didn't translate it to english. try search this ホロライブ and you'll find some
Vtube Tengoku
Kaigai Niki clips
@@Takominator already subscribed to all of the above, need more lol