I'm surprised by the amount of work was done by two guys over a weekend including moving all the materials. Nice job. PS: Good narration on what's required by manufacture of flooring joists.
Good times. I did this professionally for a while when younger. Nails are adequate for floors like this, especially if you are using glue and ring-shank 8-penny nails.
9:00 - one trick if it's not too late - screw down your subfloor instead of nailing it. in 15 years, you'll thank yourself for doing so as your floor will be significantly LESS creaky.
I’m surprised the Amish did not reject to being filmed. I know in our area (Northern Indiana) they do not like pictures. Even in the trailer factories, they do not have their pictures on employee IDs.
I asked and they didn’t care! They just don’t want it in their face like an interview, since their church tells them not to be on camera. Personally though, they don’t seem to care all that much either way
Curios to hear why not floor trusses? They tend to be 15-20% expensive but you can run duct, electrical and plumbing if need to. Some folks say trusses are better for squeak noise and some say posited. What’s your take on this and squeaks. Great work
Yes they were more expensive than the I-joists especially because there are no other trusses in the build to offset the engineering/transport. Squeaks are usually from movement between metal fasteners and wood, I think any floor framing material (dimensional, truss, I-joist) does a pretty equal job preventing squeaks as long as the subfloor is glued and fastened down well. Some swear by screws everywhere for insurance but we nailed it, haven't noticed a single squeak anywhere in this floor platform so far
14” depth, they are bci 6000s 1.8. I used their span tables to start, then confirmed with the PE I worked with when finalizing plans. It’s the 22’ span over the garage that drives it, plus the fact all our HVAC runs have to be between joists since there’s no basement.
Just curious: Are I-joists preferable to using LVL beams? If so, why? I can only think of weight savings (assuming i-joist is lighter than LVL but similar load bearing in one direction). Rookie here, just learning. Great vid!
Thanks! LVLs are very strong, heavy, and expensive. I joists are also expensive, but less than LVL per foot. Cost and ease of handling are probably the two main advantages. Just like a solid steel rectangular beam would be the strongest option, but an I-beam gives the needed stiffness at the lowest weight and material usage.
I-shape has high Moment of Inertia, and beam or joist with high moment of Inertia will have higher Moment of resistance from Load, indirectly it can take higher loads and can have longer spans. Even we use I shape in Universal beam as well.
3 reasons - handling & hauling a 36' long joist is difficult, it was easier to double up the front joists with only the 22' section, and the spacing on the 13' span varies slightly to create more room for toilet plumbing in one area.
The Amish in our area have a very good reputation for hard work at a fair price. They are proud of their heritage and advertise the fact that they are Amish. I imagine Alex is honoring their heritage as well.
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My son and I will be using I Joist this week in Alaska. Your video was very helpful. Thanks
Great to hear, good luck to you guys up there! Take advantage of that 24 hour summer daylight!
I'm surprised by the amount of work was done by two guys over a weekend including moving all the materials. Nice job.
PS: Good narration on what's required by manufacture of flooring joists.
Thanks Mark!
Me and one worker do these start to finsh in 2-3 days tops we do a on slab 24x24 garage in one day
Good times. I did this professionally for a while when younger.
Nails are adequate for floors like this, especially if you are using glue and ring-shank 8-penny nails.
That's what I thought too, I didn't want to invest the extra money & time into the collated screw gun. No squeaks so far!
Killer Video mason,,Good Job
thanks for filming this. it really helped me understand how I-joist system works.
Glad it was helpful!
9:00 - one trick if it's not too late - screw down your subfloor instead of nailing it. in 15 years, you'll thank yourself for doing so as your floor will be significantly LESS creaky.
I’m surprised the Amish did not reject to being filmed. I know in our area (Northern Indiana) they do not like pictures. Even in the trailer factories, they do not have their pictures on employee IDs.
I asked and they didn’t care! They just don’t want it in their face like an interview, since their church tells them not to be on camera. Personally though, they don’t seem to care all that much either way
Yikes! Big changes this week. 🎉
great video. for the on-ground video, are you using a phone or an actual video camera? thanks
Thanks! Most with our real camera, some shots with a gopro.
Curios to hear why not floor trusses? They tend to be 15-20% expensive but you can run duct, electrical and plumbing if need to. Some folks say trusses are better for squeak noise and some say posited. What’s your take on this and squeaks. Great work
Yes they were more expensive than the I-joists especially because there are no other trusses in the build to offset the engineering/transport. Squeaks are usually from movement between metal fasteners and wood, I think any floor framing material (dimensional, truss, I-joist) does a pretty equal job preventing squeaks as long as the subfloor is glued and fastened down well. Some swear by screws everywhere for insurance but we nailed it, haven't noticed a single squeak anywhere in this floor platform so far
What was the deciding factor to go with 18in depth joist? Is that the bci 90s?
14” depth, they are bci 6000s 1.8. I used their span tables to start, then confirmed with the PE I worked with when finalizing plans. It’s the 22’ span over the garage that drives it, plus the fact all our HVAC runs have to be between joists since there’s no basement.
Ahh thought I heard 18in! Was thinking you'd be adding in some heavy machinery to need 18in Ijoist lol.
Also, did you compare the bci to other brands? I'm seeing the version from menards are roughly 20% cheaper or more!
@@MasonDixonAcres besides cost was there anything else that made you not want to use trusses?
Just curious:
Are I-joists preferable to using LVL beams? If so, why? I can only think of weight savings (assuming i-joist is lighter than LVL but similar load bearing in one direction).
Rookie here, just learning. Great vid!
Thanks! LVLs are very strong, heavy, and expensive. I joists are also expensive, but less than LVL per foot. Cost and ease of handling are probably the two main advantages. Just like a solid steel rectangular beam would be the strongest option, but an I-beam gives the needed stiffness at the lowest weight and material usage.
I-shape has high Moment of Inertia, and beam or joist with high moment of Inertia will have higher Moment of resistance from Load, indirectly it can take higher loads and can have longer spans. Even we use I shape in Universal beam as well.
I don't get why the joists were cut when they span all the way. 22ft doesn't seem that wide.
3 reasons - handling & hauling a 36' long joist is difficult, it was easier to double up the front joists with only the 22' section, and the spacing on the 13' span varies slightly to create more room for toilet plumbing in one area.
Why call them the Amish workers? Why not just say the framing crew etc? Makes u sound abit sus
Perhaps because the Amish are master carpenters. Get out of your woke world. Makes you sound a bit man bunish.
The Amish in our area have a very good reputation for hard work at a fair price. They are proud of their heritage and advertise the fact that they are Amish. I imagine Alex is honoring their heritage as well.
Exactly!^^
he's not 'calling' them Amish. they are Amish. you're implying it's a pejorative.