How population crises could destroy the West then China

"We're in the worst of both worlds, where we're not having enough children, and we are having mass immigration."
The UK's aging population should be a warning to other nations around the world as it struggles to replace and aging workforce, warns Paul Morland, demographer and author of "No One Left: Why the World Needs More Children"
Giles Coren and Edwina Currie discuss the issue on a #timesradio panel.
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[@PaulDickson-yi2vw]

The wolves are angry that the sheep won't breed

[@Skygrey2943]

The problem isn't too many people on the planet. Rather, it is how the resources are distributed. Also, we over produce and too much ends up as waste.

[@freeheeler09]

As the climate crisis gets worse and worse, water supplies snd agriculture will decline. So, food supplies will decline and resource conflicts will grow bloodier. Europe is interesting in terms of food because only Spain can currently actually feed its current population.

[@luminyam6145]

Actually it is the part of the government's job to help families have children. Well in another 20 years, this will become obvious but it will be too late.

[@marymarlow3646]

It took tens of thousands of years for the human population to reach 2 billion. The planet has now gone from 2 billion humans to over 8 billion in just 75 years. The result is a decline in wildlife populations, climate change and a plastics and chemicals ecological disaster. But all species are becoming infertile due to the chemicals we spew into the environment. Fewer humans are desperately needed.

[@wp5224]

Western economies will find ways adapt to their aging populations with automation and AI. A reduced population can achieve stability and a less vicious form of capitalism can improve the quality of life for everyone, but the focus needs to be on the quality of humans, not quantity.

[@Павел-ь2ш2с]

The American election is a question of who is throwing mud at whom more. The elections in Germany are about who will jump higher on the trampoline. Elections in Britain, who knows Geography worse.

[@leeeeee286]

Paul is 1000000% correct.

[@grahamcampbell8297]

Edwina ‘Bark, bark, barking mad’ Currie.

[@UseDgh]

Have just read the controversies section about Giles Coren on Wikipedia, wow! 😡

[@JoannDavi]

Oldest: Europe & Canada (& Japan & South Korea)
Next: China
Then: USA & Australia

[@brianschlaadt4382]

Where are all the new people going to live in the UK? It is already crowded and people are going to have to move off low lying areas.

[@Muzakman37]

Labour's position *will* change, Centre Left govts elsewhere have had no problem promoting fertility programmes and doing what they can to encourage more childbirths, Labour have been out of power so long they've forgotten this. The stark realities of life will dictate this, Keir has already talked at length about the fact we cannot continue being an economy that relies on imported cheap labour, so he definitely gets it, let's see if he can bring the rest of Labour with him to that viewpoint.

[@hippomancy]

supporting the economy means continuing the current social imbalances. alter the framework and things will not be so alarming. why allow the rich to keep getting richer? that is the current modus- change it. immigration is a different question.

[@alasdaircat]

Good to see over- population being discussed in environmental terms. It is the biggest issue of our time and yet is too controversial to discuss and far too difficult to build policy around

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

The overpopulation problem is going to disappear all by itself by the end of this century if the forecasts of these people materialise.

[@hungbearlover]

Also lots of people are readying themselves to leave. You can’t expect to have the basics these days.

[@tomekjankiewicz7095]

"The Government" is YOU, in Japan the Government is an average Japanese so if "the Government" is encouraging people it encourages its OWN people, it is his extended family

[@JoannDavi]

Haven't seen a lot of immigrant women building houses....

[@leeeeee286]

Haven't seen a lot of British women building houses either to be fair.

[@enhancedutility266]

I just read an article from the guardian the first time deaths outpaced birth since the 1970s in the UK

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

Precisely. We have an aging population that is already and will continue to consume very substantial resources to cover its pension and healthcare costs, which is being complemented by large scale and uncontrolled entry of undocumented immigrants that do not on the whole make a net positive contribution in terms of high value economic activity and tax contribution.

[@rickstevenson9585]

Biggest mistake of feminism is they and the government never thought to ask men how interested they were in becoming women….

[@unfamiliarenvironments]

Paul must be a riot at parties - where do we report future serial killers??

[@petewilliam4295]

The same bane exists in australia
Catholic nan had as many kids as fingers !!
I’m one of three from pommie malaysian migrant parents
I had one at 40
Sister had none
Brother finally had second child at 50 !!
We are possibly too interested in ourselves in western countries.

[@DoggleBird]

We need net zero immigration far more urgently than net zero emissions.

[@ivancho5854]

The UK needs negative immigration.

[@deano2160]

You really want to bring a child into this horrible world?

[@francisbyron-falconer]

NOPE....I WONT❗️

[@janjordal9451]

Waving arms and hands in my face. I thought you were Americans and almost skipped the video 😂

[@ANGELCRYPT0]

Stack your Sats and XRP

[@MichaelCarroll-pv1mk]

He seems so angry and irritable.

[@dribrom]

Sense the dawn of the industrial revolution the birth rate has steadily gone down as more and more work is done outside the home and requires longer and longer education programs. If you think it's just the last 50 years you have no clue about history.

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

Nope. The industrial revolution kicked off in the late 18th century in Britain. Birth rates remained high (>30 per 1000) and scarcely changed throughout the entire 19th century. More than a century of delay between the two. That's why the country's population grew from about 10 million in 1801 to about 45 million in 1911, and the country still managed to export at least 10 million people. You will find a similar pattern in the rest of Europe and North America. And you see the same delayed demographic response in the developing world in more recent times. Living standards rise, life expectancy increases, infant and adult mortality fall, total population rises rapidly. But it takes a generation or two for the birth rate to fall. And it is only in the last 50 years or so that we have seen birth rates around or below the 2.1 replacement rate in most of the developed world. His 50 year comment was about birth rates being below replacement rates, not about birth rates per se.

[@dribrom]

@@baltasarnoreno5973 No, in France the population started to go down from the start of the industrialization.

[@hungbearlover]

Edwina Curry is so out of touch with her dated perspectives