Here's a playlist for my series with people playing fighting games for the first time ever, learning from scratch. The Newcomers: th-cam.com/play/PLiSdC6Lp8c7Ph9D6vN1PW3lRLIhdu3Zbt.html
Patrick polygonman saying "pick a game you think looks cool or interesting" in one minute and woolie pausing to say "ok he kinda glossed over it but also--" and then saying the exact same thing in a meandering way is what I'm here for. genuinely
All other FGC channels: weak, pathetic 10-20 min reaction video “p-p-please click… muh algorithm..” Woolie “The Chad” VS: HOUR long reaction with FULL discussion. Brain EXPLODING out of his dreads. 🧠 “you will GET INTO fighting games and you will LIKE IT”
I really like hearing woolie talking about fighting games, theres something about heaeing people talk about something they're passionate about that I find very enjoyable
I think everyone likes that, it's up there with "having people to do things with" in whatever you're doing that just elevates the experience. It *seems* like common sense, of course no one wants to hear a dispassionate voice talking about something they don't love, right? But you also have your own preferences and you kinda have to have *some* interest in the topic to care about what they're saying. I don't play fighting games much, I'm part of the casual crowd that plays a new FG for maaaaybe a week and then drop it, but I've slowly understood what makes them tick for some people and that feeling that you "got" something, is amazing.
The interesting perspective with the timing of Polygon's video is it releasing before all the news about SF6 was announced. Which later made the conversation of fighting game content a relevant topic. All the points he states here are very true, and he did a good job summing up the beauty of the genre. I'm just thinking if SF6 made him reconsider how to encourage people to get into fighters. Like maybe it's important to have something entertaining that can guide the casual to explore the depth of these games. Tutorials work, but maybe they're not the most effective solution yet. Trying to sell someone to get into a game you like is hard because you can't gurantee them that they'll enjoy it. All that being said, I'm still very happy this video exist because it communicates well what makes fighting games great. You can tell the guy who made this is very passionate about this.
fighting games need better single play offerings that people can enjoy on their own, at their own pace until they graduate to the online, this makes the game age more smoothly over the years as the comunity inevitably dwindles. Those single player modes can be a very strong teacher, if learning is cool and fun then they're more likely to not only engage in the education, but actually retaining what they learn. This would lead to more enjoyment across the board.
@@stevenfraielli9869 For real. People wonder why people bounce off of most fighting games these days and it’s not only because there’s very little to draw them in but there’s even LESS to keep a beginner in there. I’m a big Tekken and SoulCalibur fan. You know what I can do when I get absolutely bodied in SC6 online? Take a little break to experiment with the fun character creator or play through parts of the two story modes they have. You know what I did once I got my ass beat in T7? I just stopped playing because there’s almost nothing to do compared to previous mainline games in the series. And after a while of this I just quit the game altogether as people got better who kept going and my skills just degraded. In contrast. I’d consider myself pretty decent at SC6 and got fairly high rank as the character creation system and custom character story convinced me to try fighting styles I usually wouldn’t.
@@Shiratto having a very similar experience with tekken 7 to be honest. I've been playing it a lot and learning has been one of the most engaging, but challenging things I've experienced in a game in a long time. But it's all or nothing because basically the only thing you can do is play online. Which has caused me to burn out incredibly fast compared to other games I've played. When i plateau or tilt and start losing, there's nothing to do other than keep playing and getting beat cause I'm playing sloppy, or swap game altogether. Most players are gonna choose the second one and if they weren't hooked like I am. They ain't coming back. Learning has been near impossible and nearly 100% of my learning experience has been external. Tekken's single player is dogshit, teaches you less than nothing, is boring, and doesn't even let you practice specific matchups against the AI. I sort of fell off of soulcaliber but honestly I'm thinking about picking it up again if I can still find matches on PC. If not like you said I can play the singleplayer, the game has more longevity. No one is going to play tekken 7 when 8 comes out.
@@stevenfraielli9869 Glad someone else understands and I 100% recommended getting back into SoulCal if you can. It really is one of the few fighting games at the moment that actually feels like a full package to me. Not sure about pc but I’m still able to find quite a few people around (mostly in casual matches) at varying hours of the day on ps.
I can say with absolute certainty that the main reasons I got into fighting games were A) GG Xrd reveletor's animation B) Get into Fighting games being hype as hell. Espescially the GG and skullgirls ones. C) Seeing fighting game tournaments like Frosty Faustings and EVO.
For me it was Combofiend vs. Marn's BIONIC AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARM video. I wanted to feel that. I wanted to know what the feeling was to cause Noel Brown to scream like that.
Woolie getting blown tf out by Big Band and him and Reggie losing their fucking minds is by far my favorite woolie moment potentially ever, including the best friends days it was the best ever lmao
Woolie, I just want you to know I appreciate videos like this and don't mind how long they are since I want your thoughts more than just seeing you watch a video.
Okay now that I've actually FINISHED watching the video this was hella good. I almost wish it had been on the main channel because man just hearing these takes are nice. That bit about being able to recognize the strength level, aptitudes, and habits of the opponent to adjust for it is a goooood point and now I have a much better idea of why one of my stronger fighting game friends describes how I play the way that they do.
The best example I know about what woolie was talking at the end, about top players knowing how to addapt to their opponents, is woolie's own example. Woolie played against every ryu he could find to prepare for daigo's ryu, but at the end of the day he didnt play against a ryu, he played against daigo, and daigo played against woolie, not a blanka player
I really like these shorter, algorithm friendly videos you're putting out. This definitely wouldn't be perfect for your main channel, no one on the main channel wants to see long videos about fite games.
There's a hope that he might learn restraint. Like he didn't have to pull out the King chart. He could've just said that King Grabs is crazy and leave it at that. There's the hope and the disappointment is all self-inflicted.
The thing is, fighting games is peak game mechanics video games, but if you're not interested in game mechanics, you lean to story driven games, at which point you're ok with watching someone else play games, because game feel is not a priority, which leads people to possibly find Woolie's lp channel, where most content is older story games played from a unique perspective, therefore Woolie's favorite topic of fighting games and his TH-cam default audience interest are polar opposites
I mean I love gameplay above all else in games, and I love deep and intricate game mechanics way more than story driven games. However the issue with Fighting games is that they are so god dammned terrible at actually teaching new players how to engage with those mechanics meaningfully that most people only experience the most surface level and boring aspects of the game as they get their asses handed to them repeatedly. And I honestly believe that a fighting game could do so much more to teach people and they just don't even try.
@@BlazeMakesGames I do think that is a thing that came from the games' roots in arcades. They didn't want to help you get so good that you could play for a long ass time on a single coin. Nowadays, the communities usually fill the role of teaching new players. Btw Skullgirls is a game that has very good in-game tutorials, it was how I got into the fgc
@@tugsuumovies1999 yeah I feel like a lot of fighting game problems find their roots in their arcade days. Similarly when it comes to the complex inputs that new players struggle with, the original reason for them was because they were meant to be secret moves, and since you could only practice the complex inputs by putting in more quarters it was more money for them. But now it just means hours having to do homework and practice. And yeah I might peek at that at some point, but the problem is also the lack of big name free fighting games to help ease people into it. It's hard to justify buying a game because people claim it's a good entry point, and being unable to know if I even like it or not until after I spend my money on it. That's why I'm looking forwards to things like Project L which is shaping up to be a good entry point while also being F2P. For the time being I'll settle for enjoying matches of Yomi Hustle.
31:10 Woolie is so right about this. I'm 100% new to fighters, and as a clumsy slow autistic dude, goal #1 is literally just getting my brain to internalize the controls. I started *having fun* in SFV matches only after: - repping a character's normals enough for them to become second nature - repping basic block / throw defense until it's second nature - repping the fine art of walking in-between projectiles until it's second nature Specifically it was these little exercises in a book called Gief's Gym. I think the dude who wrote it actually empathizes with the lack of "fighting game muscles" someone who's never played before has. A good chunk of the FGC seems to either forget or never had that problem. After all that, I got out of "hands pressung buttons" mode and into "character doing stuff" mode. If that makes any sense.
It took me a good 6 years to figure out how to throw my first Hadouken consistently back in the day. So I can definitely relate. It does me proud to know that players like yourself have access to more, and better tools than we did, so that the learning process, and reaching that level of competence can be made easier.
Still found it hilarious how Woolie directly acknowledges the criticism that "Get Into Fighting Games" is a bit of a misnomer since it doesn't actually inform or teach people how to... get into the game, but his response is basically just "yeah but the views tho"
Bit of a weird thing, but if some fighters started adding a "challenge/bounty list" or something for online matches that could be interesting. Like "land this combo in an online match for a reward" or "finish an opponent with a level 3," could be interesting to have little goals like that to keep people invested. Not sure how effective it would be though.
The only times I’ve really seen this is like KoF 2013 and Third Strike online for the arcade modes. Wonder why more things don’t do that. Even if I play less optimally it’s more fun.
This is it, the good way to react, actually talking about the video, talking about things that might be missed. This is what react streams need more of tbh
Watching Woolie & Reggie mess around in a new fighting game doesn't make me feel like I can also do that because I know that they play fighting games so you kinda already know what to do and are comfortable. It's like if you invented a game super similar to basketball and then had a current NBA player try it out to show how "easy" it is.
But Woolie does stream fighting games with people who don't play fighters usually, hence they're called the "newcomers". He invited Punchmom to play Persona 4 AU. There was also the Dragonball FighterZ stream with one of Woolie's old friends.
@@leithaziz2716 until that segment become a regular occurrence, that doesn't count. The wild difference of how smoothly a presentation goes between "The Newcomers" and "GIFG" is so obvious that I can't believe no one talks about how much talking happens or how different the comfort levels between the two are. Like PunchMom's P4AU experience is typical for a new player, and woolie and don't know how to guide her into being comfortable with just pressing buttons. Meanwhile when Reggie and Woolie play a match and they just bantz.
Watching Woolie mess around in fighting games actually did a lot to help me get into them! Been a fav since the fisticuff days and I used to be really intimidated by fighting games, but watching some friends just pop the game in and start messing around with characters and throwing out moves helped me see how fighting games can be fun on a casual level, and how experienced people learn the basics of new games.
@@leithaziz2716 Rather funny coming back to this when there hasn't been a new Newcomers in 2 years, lol. Kinda ironic that "Get Into Fighting Games" isn't about getting into fighting games, it's more like "We already know how to play fighting games, but you can watch and you might learn something maybe while we're talking about unrelated stuff??"
SO glad to see my faves reacting to my other video game fave!! Polygon Pat! Especially about fighting games lol, I'd LOVE to see a Get Into Fighting Games crossover or something
I just got in to fight games and i bring with me the mentality i learned in Magic the Gathering.. "its about playing at the highest level you can with what you got"
"I thought the channel would be about teaching people about fighting games" While not 100% blind, it's still what you offer with your Streams inviting people to try lesser known fighters and learning a character. It's a good environment and home to return to and learn from. Though a tutorial from a guest Pro for a character is indeed charming.
Regardless of everyone's comments on whether or not this constitutes defeating the algorithm; I got the pop up notification for this video, as well as it being the first on my recommended page. Progress IS being made. Keep it up Woolie, you got this! 👍
When I played SF3, I thought Dudley's heavy punch was the coolest move I've ever seen. Then I saw cross counter. When I played SFV, I thought zangiefs flex was so badass When I play guilty gear strive, every behemoth typhoon makes me happy. When I played mortal Kombat, I saw that kano punches you OFF his knife. Amazing. When I play Skullgirls, Beowulf's voice actor ignites the fire in my love of wrestling, and the chair. THE CHAIR. I found the simple things I liked. Thats carried me through 7 years of absolutely loving fighting games. It will carry that love for the next 70.
It's so funny to me how this video keeps making the rounds to stunned reactions as if polygon hasn't had a stellar video essay reputation for years now.
👏🏼 WHOEVER 👏🏼 LOOKS 👏🏼 COOL! YES! EXACTLY! I’ll always shout it from the mountaintop. I, for example, love Native American characters, so that’s what I play. Julia Chang, Nightwolf, Thunder, I’m pickin em regardless of tier lists.
I went to an arcade recently where all the arcade cabinets were emulator boxes with a shit ton of games installed, and I was so hype, only to find out they all had k-levers that were either calibrated wrong or broken
I went through high-school participating in a bunch of individual sports (eg. Pole Vaulting & Diving). I noticed a ton of similarities between the struggles and challenges of my old sports and learning Strive (my first fighting game), but there's one big caveat: You don't have a fighting game 'coach'. You likely won't have someone who's already experienced walking you through every step of the way throughout your development and career. What makes the sport of the FGC different from traditional sports is that you have to learn to be your own coach, look at your performance from a different perspective and deliberately re-write your own behavior. It's incredibly difficult to do this and easy to lose motivation when you're getting mentally combod by frustration on a regular basis, but pushing through that self-reflective process forms a lot of the joy that comes from playing these games. Those mental skills can easily transfer to real-life situations outside of gaming, so I'm no longer surprised when I hear claims that fighting games have changed people's lives. Watching y'alls content on this channel is what got me interested in Strive in the first place and I'm glad you went with the non-tutorialized approach. Even though you've had to bend the knee towards the algorithm, it's always a blast to watch your videos!
Jumped into fighting games recently, specifically SFV in anticipation for SF6. I played my first online match yesterday (as Balrog) and got beaten easily by a Guile spamming booms and flash kicks. I was immediately tilted and put off on playing. This video+commentary convinced me give it all another chance.
19:03 As a gigantic One Piece fan (literally my favorite manga) I have to comment on this: I have no fucking idea how this meme came to be. It's basically two completely unconnected moments just spliced together, and both of them are over ten years old at this point. It's the most bizarre thing.
@@leithaziz2716 I have no fucking clue. I think it's related to the cock edits (Whitebeard really does at one point yell out that One Piece is real, and he's the posterboy of the cock edits), but aside from that, it's an absolute mystery to me.
I never saw it as a meme I guess. I just saw it as one of the most iconic moments of one of the most talked about mangas ever and it was just news bouncing around lol. I guess my inner weeb just likes to hope that Sunday mornings are everyone's favorite morning to watch the Straw hats doing their shit lol
Yeah, I hate that meme cuz now non-OP people know that moment from the meme when it's actually one of the hypest moments in the series from literally the best anime father-figure character of all time. And, in case Woolie reads this, OP is correct it had nothing to do with what's going on in the story currently at all. The quote comes from something that happened over 10 years ago.
My fighting game journey began when I was a kid, playing Tekken 3 on the PS1 with my dad. I mained Yoshimitsu because cool skeleton ninja with sword. To this day Yoshimitsu is my main, and to this day I don't actually know shit about fuck when it comes to FGC. I can hold my own playing Tekken, but the jargon, the tournament scene and so forth have completely passed me by. Lately I've decided to bridge that gap, and this video has helped with that because I'm more confident that I'm not entirely alone.
Great timing on this video. Recently got a gig at an arcade/comic book store here in St. Louis. Working with a good friend, no less. Picture my surprise when the man I’ve known for years BODIES ME at MvC2 6-1. AFTER I bodied literally everyone else there 7-0. He even beat me in front of my girlfriend, lmao. And that feeling? Of almost beating him? Of winning that one round? Better than anything that comes from loss. The good feelings outweigh the bad every time.
39:50 I think that’s actually a big problem with current fighting games and why they’re probably niche, you shouldn’t HAVE to fight a human but you should be ABLE to fight a human. From my personal experience the 6th and 7th era of fighting games had in depth and decent sized offline modes that let you just enjoy the game without forcing you into the trenches to get your money’s worth. Both modes should be there whenever a casual person wants to try out something different to spice things up or…ya know…take that break from frustrating loss streaks. I played Soul Calibur for a lot longer than Tekken and got much further in ranked because the solution to frustration wasn’t to just play something else, but to duck into one of those offline modes. It let me PASSIVELY practice stuff while mentally relaxing myself.
That’s the thing about the king chart is that you don’t GET to make multiple guesses. You guess wrong once and you eat whatever comes next. Never liked fighting him but I respect the execution for the grabs.
Lol I keep thinking I should get into fighting games (King looks fucking cool), then I remember that I'll have to drag my laptop all the way upstairs and hang out and play in the living room for ethernet cables, so I won't ever be doing that.
I have an odd relationship with fighting games. I certainly enjoy them, but don't have an easy time playing them. I seem to have a natural affinity for being decent at them. So put me in a room of my friends, where none of us knows what we're doing (not buttons or combos, but like techs and mid level stuff) and I kick ass because of that natural affinity, but then they don't wanna play with me. Put me against someone who knows what they're doing, and I'll get stomped every time. I myself don't seem to have what it takes to get invested enough to "know what I'm doing" maybe it's my ADHD, idk. So it puts me in this odd place, where among people who know how to play, but "don't know what they're doing" I'll clean house. But against anyone better than that, I lose hard.
@@nyarancia Well I have tried that...but there seems to be some dropping point in between practicing stuff, and using it in a real match. My thinking just doesn't stay with me. I always fall back to what I feel like doing, instead of what I should be doing based on what I've practiced, what I've read from the enemy, or what the enemy has read off me. Because people in my life don't wanna play me, I would have to rely on online matches, and those just always seem to go poorly. Also I've gotta use WIFI for now, and I don't wanna burden other players with that. The modem is down a floor, and I used to have a 100ft ethernet cable, but....rats ate it.
Try to teach ur friends! There are a few vids about how to do that (don’t be overbearing, limit patterns etc…). At some point they might be able to kick ur ass if you guys have fun and you all learn how to accept loss as part of the process and sprinkle in some goofy fun.
@@GOLDENCHEESE34 see, that's exactly what I want...but it just ain't on the menu. The one I see the most and could teach, is actually my brother...but he isn't up for it. He wants to win, now. If he is losing, he isn't having fun, and he isn't willing to lose long enough to learn how to be better. We pick up a game that is fully new to both of us, he'll get beat, and then just stop playing. There are also the friends, where that losing, upsets them, gets them frustrated and angry, and then that kind of atmosphere completely sucks any fun that I may he having. Winning or no.
@@Vipes3 that sucks, I'm lucky to have at least 2 friends who are as stubborn as me when it comes to wanting to improve and win. I think some streamers have discords that have communities for this sort of thing but I always get anxious talking to people i don't know irl. Do u have an ethernet cable and online play? what games do u like?
@@GOLDENCHEESE34 My modem is down a floor, and I HAD a 100ft ethernet cable, until it got chewed through. I enjoy Smash, I used to be pretty into Skull Girls YEARS ago. I'm actually thinking about grabbing Street fighter 6 (and a new cable so I don't burden others) when that comes out. I've never really gotten into a SF game before, but it looks like they are putting so much effort into 6, and it would be pretty cool to get into a game I could reliably play online with a community. I've never been the, play online with strangers type, but that needs changing.
To be frank, fighting games have the best tutorials out there for online games (Most online games tutorials are buttons checks basically). Sadly, they're at the same time not good enough for fighting games beginners. It's pretty weird.
It's not really that weird. Tutorials which are basically glorified glossaries of the game's mechanics aren't very effective for on-boarding. Many people will be overwhelmed and the people who do end up learning stuff from it probably would have looked up that information themselves outside of the game anyway if the game didn't tell them about it. The reason why other genres don't have Fighting game style Glossary tutorials isn't because the devs are lazy or because they can't "afford better tutorials," it's because it's been generally proven by several different developers across multiple genres that shorter tutorials that prioritize the most important information to enjoy the game on a basic level are better for onboarding and player retention than comprehensive tutorials that try to explain every mechanic of the game to the player.
@@Joltman11 The tutorials usually are clearly divided by novice / interm / expert. It's not the game's fault that the beginner wants to gobble all the information when it's telling him that's not for him for now. On the other hand, u have something like league that has one of the worst tutorials i've ever seen and straight up don't give you proper information as a beginner. Would be nice to have tutorials in other genres when you're not a beginner anymore instead of having to youtube it.
@@maxmin2434 Firstly, a lot of games don't make any sort of statement that you should come back and read more advanced sections later. And even among the ones that do, how many people do you actually think follow that advice? I imagine that the overwhelming majority of people either: A: Ignore the game's stop sign and go through all the tutorials B: Stop whenever they get bored and don't revisit the more advanced tutorials later C: Don't do any tutorials that the game doesn't force them to do Most people in general don't want to sit through shitloads of tutorials when they are first trying out a game, especially ones that constantly keep taking control away from them. This is still true in fighting games. I'm in a beginner-oriented discord, and when BBCF got rollback I had to explain all the game's mechanics to everyone who tried out the game because nobody played the tutorial. Several years ago, I played Killer Instinct online, which is a game that's fairly popular with casual players. Legit a third of the people I fought against when starting out didn't know how to block because they didn't play the tutorial. People as a whole don't like the fighting game glossary tutorial method for learning games. There's a reason why almost no other genre of game uses it. People shit on League's tutorial, but at a basic level it teaches you the absolute most important information in the game (Control with right click, not wasd. Use auto attacks and abilities to kill things. Destroy towers but don't draw aggro. Last hit minions for gold. ETC) while the player has control of the game the whole time, allowing them to experiment with the game's control scheme while they learn the rest of the game's essential mechanics. You can complain about all the stuff it leaves out, but I'm willing to bet it has a substantially higher completion percentage that most fighting game tutorials, and League almost assuredly has better player retention than any major fighting game out there right now so the lack of information provided by the tutorial clearly isn't having a negative effect in that regard. I'm not saying you can't have a glossary in your game for the people that actually desire that sort of thing. But an interactive glossary is not an effective way to teach beginners how to play your game because most people will be too bored by it and will either forget important information or not bother with it at all.
I think the problem is figuring out how to teach players the ins and outs of fighting games while keeping it engaging to learn. Then the developers need to put forth the time, and effort to make that happen which is not always a luxury they can afford.
As somebody who has been fidgetingly stood by the poolside for a good while now this has been very encouraging. I have played Smash for a long while as a kid but I really don´t want to return to it as a fighting game. On the other hand I got Strive burning a tatami mat shaped hole in my contience. More traditional fighting games are still rather new to me but just watching them makes me want to really try it for myself. Not competetively but just to have fun making rad shit happen.
My biggest barrier to fighting games is the combos. I just don’t understand why I have to hit 3 buttons and rotate the stick in hyper-specific patterns to do literally one move. I play Smash as my only fighting game for this reason.
When I got Strive I literally started playing I-No because she looked cool. Literally shredding combos. Shits real. Also play Zato occasionally because his shadow demon shit looks cool. When it works.
Living in a third world country without the internet infrastructure to support fighting games nor the community to support it, sucks. I ended up just giving up at fighting games.
I think that comparing fighting game tutorials to laying out a deck of cards works great. For example, games like Euchre only care about the face cards, 10, 9, and ace. The other cards would just get in the way of explaining the game, and are not game pieces. But they're still cards, they still have suits, and they still end up being used to keep score. Similarly, lots of fighting games have similar mechanics like push-blocking, spot-dodging, and blocking. But some games may not care about throws, jumps, or mixups.
I feel like if people who criticize the name actually gave the get into fighting games series some time, they could still learn a good bit of the basics from it. You essentially get a beginners guide by watching woolie, reggie and co. just fuck around with a game cuz usually they are gonna be commenting on what is happening and what they are trying and succeeding or failing to do with their characters. If you pay attention to whats actually going on when they comment on things amd point stuff out, you can learn a good bit of starter info by seeing what they are doing. Sure its FRAMED as the boys hanging out, talking shit and just hitting buttons, but if you have at least the most fundamental knowledge about the genre that applies to most games, the information is in there. Its just not presented as a super clean formatted guide.
The only boring thing about your takes Woolie is when you take just as long to introduce why you even have a take, lmao. Skip the self-conscious preamble and just say the thing!
this video is really quiet for some reason? i had to crank my sound pretty high to hear it, while Signalis EP1 on the main channel (as the first example i grabbed) is like twice the volume of this
I still say FOOTSIES is the best first fighting game because it teaches the fundamentals very quickly. Even the arcade mode teaches you to learn an opponent's habits and adapt mid match.
JUST FIGHT THE OTHER HUMANS DON'T LISTEN TO WOOLIE'S "get yourself less nervous" talk. Fighting the computer more does NOT remove the nervousness of fighting another human, only Woolie has that weird goblin.
Hate street fighter but when I watched dbz fighterz on TH-cam it was something I like. Mk11 and guilty gear I never went online, but fighterz I'm online all day
I gotta disagree on King being amazing even without the throws, the throws are what elevates him to a solid character. Without the throws he would be low-tier but he's like Yoshimitsu in that the unpredictability is what gets you.
Great video! But man I just wish online had a tenth of the fun local vs has. I just feel nothing when it's some random, faceless name online. There's no interaction outside of strict game mechanics. There's no chit chat. There's nothing. I grew up before online was really a thing, and I just can't get into finding any joy in online pvp gaming where it's just random people. That same brain chemical interaction just isn't happening when I rematch someone online. Even in games where there's voice chat, it's not the same because all people seem to want to do is talk mad shit. And I don't mean like ordinary smack talk. I'm talking about stuff that'd get you cut at the local Bally's. Like start dropping n-bombs IRL cause your wake up super didn't land and see what happens.
One Piece has NO good Fighting Games and I'm so mad about it, the last one was on the PS2 and it's kinda bad imo, we need a good One Piece fighting game asap
I got into fighting games playing Street Fighter vs Xmen in some random arcade. Just love doing the air combos, even if i was so trash at the controls I couldn't beat the 2nd stage.
I would love a simplified game with just a bunch of wireframes, no online, no story Just progressive tutorials against opponents getting smarter every time and going into positions perfect for the tricks you just learned Then getting into character-specific guides for Mr. Boxart, Grapplin' Goof, Gim McGee and the rest of the archetypes
Woolie thinking that RTS is a living genre with a wide scene is always so weird to me. That shit is deader than fighting games have ever been. AOE2 and Starcraft are still the most popular games, and they're older than pro Valorant players.
I am one of those people who clicked on "get into fighting games" hoping you would teach me, a 100% n00b, how to fight game. Hoping you might do some real beginners videos for SF6 when it comes out since CSB has got me interested in it
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Here's a playlist for my series with people playing fighting games for the first time ever, learning from scratch. The Newcomers: th-cam.com/play/PLiSdC6Lp8c7Ph9D6vN1PW3lRLIhdu3Zbt.html
Patrick polygonman saying "pick a game you think looks cool or interesting" in one minute and woolie pausing to say "ok he kinda glossed over it but also--" and then saying the exact same thing in a meandering way is what I'm here for. genuinely
"oh hey it's the banned game" Reggie you absolute savage lmao
Which game?
@@Dracobyte mvc3
If there isn't a fgc morning show called, "Wake Up Super" there should be.
All other FGC channels: weak, pathetic 10-20 min reaction video “p-p-please click… muh algorithm..”
Woolie “The Chad” VS: HOUR long reaction with FULL discussion. Brain EXPLODING out of his dreads. 🧠 “you will GET INTO fighting games and you will LIKE IT”
I really like hearing woolie talking about fighting games, theres something about heaeing people talk about something they're passionate about that I find very enjoyable
I think everyone likes that, it's up there with "having people to do things with" in whatever you're doing that just elevates the experience.
It *seems* like common sense, of course no one wants to hear a dispassionate voice talking about something they don't love, right? But you also have your own preferences and you kinda have to have *some* interest in the topic to care about what they're saying. I don't play fighting games much, I'm part of the casual crowd that plays a new FG for maaaaybe a week and then drop it, but I've slowly understood what makes them tick for some people and that feeling that you "got" something, is amazing.
Woolie trying to defeat the algorithm while putting fighting games in the title of an hour long video 🫡
His trash stream uploads balances things out
I unironically think I might enjoy listening to Woolie talk about fighting games more than watching him play them.
No 🧢
@@Riggs_The_Roadie This right here.
He literally can't help himself. The fighting games special interest comes out in every conversation.
The interesting perspective with the timing of Polygon's video is it releasing before all the news about SF6 was announced. Which later made the conversation of fighting game content a relevant topic. All the points he states here are very true, and he did a good job summing up the beauty of the genre. I'm just thinking if SF6 made him reconsider how to encourage people to get into fighters.
Like maybe it's important to have something entertaining that can guide the casual to explore the depth of these games. Tutorials work, but maybe they're not the most effective solution yet. Trying to sell someone to get into a game you like is hard because you can't gurantee them that they'll enjoy it. All that being said, I'm still very happy this video exist because it communicates well what makes fighting games great. You can tell the guy who made this is very passionate about this.
fighting games need better single play offerings that people can enjoy on their own, at their own pace until they graduate to the online, this makes the game age more smoothly over the years as the comunity inevitably dwindles. Those single player modes can be a very strong teacher, if learning is cool and fun then they're more likely to not only engage in the education, but actually retaining what they learn. This would lead to more enjoyment across the board.
@@stevenfraielli9869 For real. People wonder why people bounce off of most fighting games these days and it’s not only because there’s very little to draw them in but there’s even LESS to keep a beginner in there.
I’m a big Tekken and SoulCalibur fan. You know what I can do when I get absolutely bodied in SC6 online? Take a little break to experiment with the fun character creator or play through parts of the two story modes they have. You know what I did once I got my ass beat in T7? I just stopped playing because there’s almost nothing to do compared to previous mainline games in the series. And after a while of this I just quit the game altogether as people got better who kept going and my skills just degraded.
In contrast. I’d consider myself pretty decent at SC6 and got fairly high rank as the character creation system and custom character story convinced me to try fighting styles I usually wouldn’t.
@@Shiratto having a very similar experience with tekken 7 to be honest. I've been playing it a lot and learning has been one of the most engaging, but challenging things I've experienced in a game in a long time. But it's all or nothing because basically the only thing you can do is play online. Which has caused me to burn out incredibly fast compared to other games I've played. When i plateau or tilt and start losing, there's nothing to do other than keep playing and getting beat cause I'm playing sloppy, or swap game altogether. Most players are gonna choose the second one and if they weren't hooked like I am. They ain't coming back.
Learning has been near impossible and nearly 100% of my learning experience has been external. Tekken's single player is dogshit, teaches you less than nothing, is boring, and doesn't even let you practice specific matchups against the AI. I sort of fell off of soulcaliber but honestly I'm thinking about picking it up again if I can still find matches on PC. If not like you said I can play the singleplayer, the game has more longevity. No one is going to play tekken 7 when 8 comes out.
@@stevenfraielli9869 Glad someone else understands and I 100% recommended getting back into SoulCal if you can. It really is one of the few fighting games at the moment that actually feels like a full package to me. Not sure about pc but I’m still able to find quite a few people around (mostly in casual matches) at varying hours of the day on ps.
I can say with absolute certainty that the main reasons I got into fighting games were
A) GG Xrd reveletor's animation
B) Get into Fighting games being hype as hell. Espescially the GG and skullgirls ones.
C) Seeing fighting game tournaments like Frosty Faustings and EVO.
For me it was Combofiend vs. Marn's BIONIC AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARM video.
I wanted to feel that. I wanted to know what the feeling was to cause Noel Brown to scream like that.
@@DeepestDankest never seen that. Gonna go see that now.
edit - BRO WTF WAS THAT !! BIONIC AAAAARRRMMMMM holy shit that was hype as fuck bro !!!!
Woolie getting blown tf out by Big Band and him and Reggie losing their fucking minds is by far my favorite woolie moment potentially ever, including the best friends days it was the best ever lmao
@@stevenfraielli9869 yo that fuckin valentine big band team was godlike
Same reasons as me, but add being down bad for Taokaka in a game I otherwise have no interest in.
This video is legit amazing. Hyped to hear your thoughts on it.
Woolie, I just want you to know I appreciate videos like this and don't mind how long they are since I want your thoughts more than just seeing you watch a video.
Okay now that I've actually FINISHED watching the video this was hella good. I almost wish it had been on the main channel because man just hearing these takes are nice. That bit about being able to recognize the strength level, aptitudes, and habits of the opponent to adjust for it is a goooood point and now I have a much better idea of why one of my stronger fighting game friends describes how I play the way that they do.
The real secret is that this IS the main channel and the other one is now a VOD channel :^)
The best example I know about what woolie was talking at the end, about top players knowing how to addapt to their opponents, is woolie's own example. Woolie played against every ryu he could find to prepare for daigo's ryu, but at the end of the day he didnt play against a ryu, he played against daigo, and daigo played against woolie, not a blanka player
The real fighting game is the friends we made along the way
I really like these shorter, algorithm friendly videos you're putting out. This definitely wouldn't be perfect for your main channel, no one on the main channel wants to see long videos about fite games.
"shorter"
*looks at run time of 1 hr and 9 minutes*
👀
The sarcasm *radiates* lmao
@@jjrambles683 that's the joke you mong
Only woolie can turn a 24 minute video into 1 hour
…. Did you not expect them to have a conversation about it??? At all???
Wait until you hear about asmongold
1 hour and 10 minutes roughly to be more precise
There's a hope that he might learn restraint. Like he didn't have to pull out the King chart. He could've just said that King Grabs is crazy and leave it at that.
There's the hope and the disappointment is all self-inflicted.
@@janematthews9087 Screw that, deep dives ftw.
The thing is, fighting games is peak game mechanics video games, but if you're not interested in game mechanics, you lean to story driven games, at which point you're ok with watching someone else play games, because game feel is not a priority, which leads people to possibly find Woolie's lp channel, where most content is older story games played from a unique perspective, therefore Woolie's favorite topic of fighting games and his TH-cam default audience interest are polar opposites
I mean I love gameplay above all else in games, and I love deep and intricate game mechanics way more than story driven games. However the issue with Fighting games is that they are so god dammned terrible at actually teaching new players how to engage with those mechanics meaningfully that most people only experience the most surface level and boring aspects of the game as they get their asses handed to them repeatedly. And I honestly believe that a fighting game could do so much more to teach people and they just don't even try.
@@BlazeMakesGames I do think that is a thing that came from the games' roots in arcades. They didn't want to help you get so good that you could play for a long ass time on a single coin. Nowadays, the communities usually fill the role of teaching new players. Btw Skullgirls is a game that has very good in-game tutorials, it was how I got into the fgc
@@tugsuumovies1999 yeah I feel like a lot of fighting game problems find their roots in their arcade days. Similarly when it comes to the complex inputs that new players struggle with, the original reason for them was because they were meant to be secret moves, and since you could only practice the complex inputs by putting in more quarters it was more money for them. But now it just means hours having to do homework and practice.
And yeah I might peek at that at some point, but the problem is also the lack of big name free fighting games to help ease people into it. It's hard to justify buying a game because people claim it's a good entry point, and being unable to know if I even like it or not until after I spend my money on it. That's why I'm looking forwards to things like Project L which is shaping up to be a good entry point while also being F2P.
For the time being I'll settle for enjoying matches of Yomi Hustle.
31:10
Woolie is so right about this. I'm 100% new to fighters, and as a clumsy slow autistic dude, goal #1 is literally just getting my brain to internalize the controls.
I started *having fun* in SFV matches only after:
- repping a character's normals enough for them to become second nature
- repping basic block / throw defense until it's second nature
- repping the fine art of walking in-between projectiles until it's second nature
Specifically it was these little exercises in a book called Gief's Gym. I think the dude who wrote it actually empathizes with the lack of "fighting game muscles" someone who's never played before has. A good chunk of the FGC seems to either forget or never had that problem.
After all that, I got out of "hands pressung buttons" mode and into "character doing stuff" mode. If that makes any sense.
It took me a good 6 years to figure out how to throw my first Hadouken consistently back in the day. So I can definitely relate. It does me proud to know that players like yourself have access to more, and better tools than we did, so that the learning process, and reaching that level of competence can be made easier.
I was in the stands for Majin's run and seeing him referenced here brings back so many memories. The best USA chant I've ever been a part of.
Kinda wish this was on the main channel since this is a great video that I feel like more people that want to get into fighting games should watch
Still found it hilarious how Woolie directly acknowledges the criticism that "Get Into Fighting Games" is a bit of a misnomer since it doesn't actually inform or teach people how to... get into the game, but his response is basically just "yeah but the views tho"
Bit of a weird thing, but if some fighters started adding a "challenge/bounty list" or something for online matches that could be interesting. Like "land this combo in an online match for a reward" or "finish an opponent with a level 3," could be interesting to have little goals like that to keep people invested. Not sure how effective it would be though.
The only times I’ve really seen this is like KoF 2013 and Third Strike online for the arcade modes. Wonder why more things don’t do that. Even if I play less optimally it’s more fun.
I love this type of shit man, I don't even play fighting games and hearing y'all talk about em has always been fantastic
This is it, the good way to react, actually talking about the video, talking about things that might be missed. This is what react streams need more of tbh
Watching Woolie & Reggie mess around in a new fighting game doesn't make me feel like I can also do that because I know that they play fighting games so you kinda already know what to do and are comfortable. It's like if you invented a game super similar to basketball and then had a current NBA player try it out to show how "easy" it is.
But Woolie does stream fighting games with people who don't play fighters usually, hence they're called the "newcomers". He invited Punchmom to play Persona 4 AU. There was also the Dragonball FighterZ stream with one of Woolie's old friends.
@@leithaziz2716 I mean those streams are usually few and far between. Most of the gitfg are Reggie and Woolie trying out a game and messing around
@@leithaziz2716 until that segment become a regular occurrence, that doesn't count.
The wild difference of how smoothly a presentation goes between "The Newcomers" and "GIFG" is so obvious that I can't believe no one talks about how much talking happens or how different the comfort levels between the two are.
Like PunchMom's P4AU experience is typical for a new player, and woolie and don't know how to guide her into being comfortable with just pressing buttons.
Meanwhile when Reggie and Woolie play a match and they just bantz.
Watching Woolie mess around in fighting games actually did a lot to help me get into them! Been a fav since the fisticuff days and I used to be really intimidated by fighting games, but watching some friends just pop the game in and start messing around with characters and throwing out moves helped me see how fighting games can be fun on a casual level, and how experienced people learn the basics of new games.
@@leithaziz2716 Rather funny coming back to this when there hasn't been a new Newcomers in 2 years, lol. Kinda ironic that "Get Into Fighting Games" isn't about getting into fighting games, it's more like "We already know how to play fighting games, but you can watch and you might learn something maybe while we're talking about unrelated stuff??"
SO glad to see my faves reacting to my other video game fave!! Polygon Pat! Especially about fighting games lol, I'd LOVE to see a Get Into Fighting Games crossover or something
I just got in to fight games and i bring with me the mentality i learned in Magic the Gathering.. "its about playing at the highest level you can with what you got"
"I thought the channel would be about teaching people about fighting games"
While not 100% blind, it's still what you offer with your Streams inviting people to try lesser known fighters and learning a character. It's a good environment and home to return to and learn from. Though a tutorial from a guest Pro for a character is indeed charming.
Regardless of everyone's comments on whether or not this constitutes defeating the algorithm; I got the pop up notification for this video, as well as it being the first on my recommended page. Progress IS being made. Keep it up Woolie, you got this! 👍
When I played SF3, I thought Dudley's heavy punch was the coolest move I've ever seen. Then I saw cross counter.
When I played SFV, I thought zangiefs flex was so badass
When I play guilty gear strive, every behemoth typhoon makes me happy.
When I played mortal Kombat, I saw that kano punches you OFF his knife. Amazing.
When I play Skullgirls, Beowulf's voice actor ignites the fire in my love of wrestling, and the chair. THE CHAIR.
I found the simple things I liked. Thats carried me through 7 years of absolutely loving fighting games. It will carry that love for the next 70.
It's so funny to me how this video keeps making the rounds to stunned reactions as if polygon hasn't had a stellar video essay reputation for years now.
👏🏼 WHOEVER 👏🏼 LOOKS 👏🏼 COOL! YES! EXACTLY! I’ll always shout it from the mountaintop. I, for example, love Native American characters, so that’s what I play. Julia Chang, Nightwolf, Thunder, I’m pickin em regardless of tier lists.
I went to an arcade recently where all the arcade cabinets were emulator boxes with a shit ton of games installed, and I was so hype, only to find out they all had k-levers that were either calibrated wrong or broken
I went through high-school participating in a bunch of individual sports (eg. Pole Vaulting & Diving). I noticed a ton of similarities between the struggles and challenges of my old sports and learning Strive (my first fighting game), but there's one big caveat: You don't have a fighting game 'coach'. You likely won't have someone who's already experienced walking you through every step of the way throughout your development and career. What makes the sport of the FGC different from traditional sports is that you have to learn to be your own coach, look at your performance from a different perspective and deliberately re-write your own behavior. It's incredibly difficult to do this and easy to lose motivation when you're getting mentally combod by frustration on a regular basis, but pushing through that self-reflective process forms a lot of the joy that comes from playing these games. Those mental skills can easily transfer to real-life situations outside of gaming, so I'm no longer surprised when I hear claims that fighting games have changed people's lives.
Watching y'alls content on this channel is what got me interested in Strive in the first place and I'm glad you went with the non-tutorialized approach. Even though you've had to bend the knee towards the algorithm, it's always a blast to watch your videos!
Should have had two shows alternating each Saturday, one called "Get Into Fighting Games" and the other "We're Into Fighting Games"
Jumped into fighting games recently, specifically SFV in anticipation for SF6. I played my first online match yesterday (as Balrog) and got beaten easily by a Guile spamming booms and flash kicks. I was immediately tilted and put off on playing. This video+commentary convinced me give it all another chance.
Idk how woolie managed to link up his rants with the video length but it’s magnificent
taking 1 hour to react to a 20 min video?
I didnt know Woolie was getting into FFXIV
19:03 As a gigantic One Piece fan (literally my favorite manga) I have to comment on this: I have no fucking idea how this meme came to be. It's basically two completely unconnected moments just spliced together, and both of them are over ten years old at this point. It's the most bizarre thing.
Wait, that meme wasn't from a recent episode? How did that meme become relevant?
@@leithaziz2716 I have no fucking clue. I think it's related to the cock edits (Whitebeard really does at one point yell out that One Piece is real, and he's the posterboy of the cock edits), but aside from that, it's an absolute mystery to me.
@@leithaziz2716 The episode aired in 2011
I never saw it as a meme I guess. I just saw it as one of the most iconic moments of one of the most talked about mangas ever and it was just news bouncing around lol. I guess my inner weeb just likes to hope that Sunday mornings are everyone's favorite morning to watch the Straw hats doing their shit lol
Yeah, I hate that meme cuz now non-OP people know that moment from the meme when it's actually one of the hypest moments in the series from literally the best anime father-figure character of all time.
And, in case Woolie reads this, OP is correct it had nothing to do with what's going on in the story currently at all. The quote comes from something that happened over 10 years ago.
Was super interesting seeing your thoughts on this and it being like a spring board for you to start from
My fighting game journey began when I was a kid, playing Tekken 3 on the PS1 with my dad. I mained Yoshimitsu because cool skeleton ninja with sword. To this day Yoshimitsu is my main, and to this day I don't actually know shit about fuck when it comes to FGC. I can hold my own playing Tekken, but the jargon, the tournament scene and so forth have completely passed me by. Lately I've decided to bridge that gap, and this video has helped with that because I'm more confident that I'm not entirely alone.
Woolie [Predator Handshake] Hasan
Turning a 20 minute video
into a 1 hour react
Great timing on this video.
Recently got a gig at an arcade/comic book store here in St. Louis. Working with a good friend, no less.
Picture my surprise when the man I’ve known for years BODIES ME at MvC2 6-1. AFTER I bodied literally everyone else there 7-0. He even beat me in front of my girlfriend, lmao.
And that feeling? Of almost beating him? Of winning that one round? Better than anything that comes from loss. The good feelings outweigh the bad every time.
"one piece is reeeeeal" is a reference to Whitebeard saying it during Impel Down turned into a meme
during Marineford
Woolie “get into fighting games” and “Friday night fisticuffs” aren’t even comparable.
39:50 I think that’s actually a big problem with current fighting games and why they’re probably niche, you shouldn’t HAVE to fight a human but you should be ABLE to fight a human. From my personal experience the 6th and 7th era of fighting games had in depth and decent sized offline modes that let you just enjoy the game without forcing you into the trenches to get your money’s worth. Both modes should be there whenever a casual person wants to try out something different to spice things up or…ya know…take that break from frustrating loss streaks.
I played Soul Calibur for a lot longer than Tekken and got much further in ranked because the solution to frustration wasn’t to just play something else, but to duck into one of those offline modes. It let me PASSIVELY practice stuff while mentally relaxing myself.
4:03 Bro pulled out the blender cheat sheet for this one
That’s the thing about the king chart is that you don’t GET to make multiple guesses. You guess wrong once and you eat whatever comes next. Never liked fighting him but I respect the execution for the grabs.
“King doesn’t even need to grapple”
Real
Lol I keep thinking I should get into fighting games (King looks fucking cool), then I remember that I'll have to drag my laptop all the way upstairs and hang out and play in the living room for ethernet cables, so I won't ever be doing that.
I have an odd relationship with fighting games. I certainly enjoy them, but don't have an easy time playing them.
I seem to have a natural affinity for being decent at them. So put me in a room of my friends, where none of us knows what we're doing (not buttons or combos, but like techs and mid level stuff) and I kick ass because of that natural affinity, but then they don't wanna play with me.
Put me against someone who knows what they're doing, and I'll get stomped every time. I myself don't seem to have what it takes to get invested enough to "know what I'm doing" maybe it's my ADHD, idk.
So it puts me in this odd place, where among people who know how to play, but "don't know what they're doing" I'll clean house. But against anyone better than that, I lose hard.
@@nyarancia Well I have tried that...but there seems to be some dropping point in between practicing stuff, and using it in a real match. My thinking just doesn't stay with me. I always fall back to what I feel like doing, instead of what I should be doing based on what I've practiced, what I've read from the enemy, or what the enemy has read off me.
Because people in my life don't wanna play me, I would have to rely on online matches, and those just always seem to go poorly. Also I've gotta use WIFI for now, and I don't wanna burden other players with that. The modem is down a floor, and I used to have a 100ft ethernet cable, but....rats ate it.
Try to teach ur friends! There are a few vids about how to do that (don’t be overbearing, limit patterns etc…). At some point they might be able to kick ur ass if you guys have fun and you all learn how to accept loss as part of the process and sprinkle in some goofy fun.
@@GOLDENCHEESE34 see, that's exactly what I want...but it just ain't on the menu. The one I see the most and could teach, is actually my brother...but he isn't up for it. He wants to win, now. If he is losing, he isn't having fun, and he isn't willing to lose long enough to learn how to be better.
We pick up a game that is fully new to both of us, he'll get beat, and then just stop playing.
There are also the friends, where that losing, upsets them, gets them frustrated and angry, and then that kind of atmosphere completely sucks any fun that I may he having. Winning or no.
@@Vipes3 that sucks, I'm lucky to have at least 2 friends who are as stubborn as me when it comes to wanting to improve and win. I think some streamers have discords that have communities for this sort of thing but I always get anxious talking to people i don't know irl. Do u have an ethernet cable and online play? what games do u like?
@@GOLDENCHEESE34 My modem is down a floor, and I HAD a 100ft ethernet cable, until it got chewed through. I enjoy Smash, I used to be pretty into Skull Girls YEARS ago.
I'm actually thinking about grabbing Street fighter 6 (and a new cable so I don't burden others) when that comes out. I've never really gotten into a SF game before, but it looks like they are putting so much effort into 6, and it would be pretty cool to get into a game I could reliably play online with a community. I've never been the, play online with strangers type, but that needs changing.
But when do we get out of fighting games?
To be frank, fighting games have the best tutorials out there for online games (Most online games tutorials are buttons checks basically). Sadly, they're at the same time not good enough for fighting games beginners.
It's pretty weird.
As someone who plays Team Fortress 2 and have heard of League tutorials, I hate that this may not be far from the truth.
It's not really that weird. Tutorials which are basically glorified glossaries of the game's mechanics aren't very effective for on-boarding. Many people will be overwhelmed and the people who do end up learning stuff from it probably would have looked up that information themselves outside of the game anyway if the game didn't tell them about it.
The reason why other genres don't have Fighting game style Glossary tutorials isn't because the devs are lazy or because they can't "afford better tutorials," it's because it's been generally proven by several different developers across multiple genres that shorter tutorials that prioritize the most important information to enjoy the game on a basic level are better for onboarding and player retention than comprehensive tutorials that try to explain every mechanic of the game to the player.
@@Joltman11 The tutorials usually are clearly divided by novice / interm / expert.
It's not the game's fault that the beginner wants to gobble all the information when it's telling him that's not for him for now.
On the other hand, u have something like league that has one of the worst tutorials i've ever seen and straight up don't give you proper information as a beginner.
Would be nice to have tutorials in other genres when you're not a beginner anymore instead of having to youtube it.
@@maxmin2434 Firstly, a lot of games don't make any sort of statement that you should come back and read more advanced sections later. And even among the ones that do, how many people do you actually think follow that advice? I imagine that the overwhelming majority of people either:
A: Ignore the game's stop sign and go through all the tutorials
B: Stop whenever they get bored and don't revisit the more advanced tutorials later
C: Don't do any tutorials that the game doesn't force them to do
Most people in general don't want to sit through shitloads of tutorials when they are first trying out a game, especially ones that constantly keep taking control away from them. This is still true in fighting games. I'm in a beginner-oriented discord, and when BBCF got rollback I had to explain all the game's mechanics to everyone who tried out the game because nobody played the tutorial. Several years ago, I played Killer Instinct online, which is a game that's fairly popular with casual players. Legit a third of the people I fought against when starting out didn't know how to block because they didn't play the tutorial. People as a whole don't like the fighting game glossary tutorial method for learning games. There's a reason why almost no other genre of game uses it.
People shit on League's tutorial, but at a basic level it teaches you the absolute most important information in the game (Control with right click, not wasd. Use auto attacks and abilities to kill things. Destroy towers but don't draw aggro. Last hit minions for gold. ETC) while the player has control of the game the whole time, allowing them to experiment with the game's control scheme while they learn the rest of the game's essential mechanics. You can complain about all the stuff it leaves out, but I'm willing to bet it has a substantially higher completion percentage that most fighting game tutorials, and League almost assuredly has better player retention than any major fighting game out there right now so the lack of information provided by the tutorial clearly isn't having a negative effect in that regard.
I'm not saying you can't have a glossary in your game for the people that actually desire that sort of thing. But an interactive glossary is not an effective way to teach beginners how to play your game because most people will be too bored by it and will either forget important information or not bother with it at all.
I think the problem is figuring out how to teach players the ins and outs of fighting games while keeping it engaging to learn. Then the developers need to put forth the time, and effort to make that happen which is not always a luxury they can afford.
As a casual fighting game player.
That King chart gave me damage.
As somebody who has been fidgetingly stood by the poolside for a good while now this has been very encouraging. I have played Smash for a long while as a kid but I really don´t want to return to it as a fighting game. On the other hand I got Strive burning a tatami mat shaped hole in my contience. More traditional fighting games are still rather new to me but just watching them makes me want to really try it for myself. Not competetively but just to have fun making rad shit happen.
My biggest barrier to fighting games is the combos. I just don’t understand why I have to hit 3 buttons and rotate the stick in hyper-specific patterns to do literally one move. I play Smash as my only fighting game for this reason.
skill issue
@@gusbabiski for sure.
@@Lakatujust play tekken
When I got Strive I literally started playing I-No because she looked cool. Literally shredding combos. Shits real. Also play Zato occasionally because his shadow demon shit looks cool. When it works.
I thought that was a picture of Liam in the thumbnail lol
I'm surprised Woolie didn't also shout out Gundam Battle Assault 2
as a certain red haired man said "I'm gonna wakeup super, and it'll maybe work if i do it twice."
Can someone let me know what those newcomer streams were called or at least what games they were playing?
Playlist here: th-cam.com/play/PLiSdC6Lp8c7Ph9D6vN1PW3lRLIhdu3Zbt.html
Commenting on to power up woolie’s video length
I wonder what a zero to hero style tournament would look like..
Fight stick is a need, if you want to look cool. which lets face it, is a big reason alot of us started.
Living in a third world country without the internet infrastructure to support fighting games nor the community to support it, sucks. I ended up just giving up at fighting games.
I think that comparing fighting game tutorials to laying out a deck of cards works great. For example, games like Euchre only care about the face cards, 10, 9, and ace. The other cards would just get in the way of explaining the game, and are not game pieces. But they're still cards, they still have suits, and they still end up being used to keep score. Similarly, lots of fighting games have similar mechanics like push-blocking, spot-dodging, and blocking. But some games may not care about throws, jumps, or mixups.
woollies breakdown is accurate
The clarification on the One Piece is real meme. It's a line spoken by Whitebeard before he dies.
algorithms winning this fight I think lol.
Dropped a like just for that King tangent 🤣
I feel like if people who criticize the name actually gave the get into fighting games series some time, they could still learn a good bit of the basics from it. You essentially get a beginners guide by watching woolie, reggie and co. just fuck around with a game cuz usually they are gonna be commenting on what is happening and what they are trying and succeeding or failing to do with their characters. If you pay attention to whats actually going on when they comment on things amd point stuff out, you can learn a good bit of starter info by seeing what they are doing. Sure its FRAMED as the boys hanging out, talking shit and just hitting buttons, but if you have at least the most fundamental knowledge about the genre that applies to most games, the information is in there. Its just not presented as a super clean formatted guide.
THE CONTENT YOU CRAVE
Yipes will always have me hype on commentary
Yeah yeah yeah, more quality long form edits for this channel. Comment for algorithm fuel \o/
Whenz One Piece FighterZ, ArcSys?!
The only boring thing about your takes Woolie is when you take just as long to introduce why you even have a take, lmao. Skip the self-conscious preamble and just say the thing!
this video is really quiet for some reason? i had to crank my sound pretty high to hear it, while Signalis EP1 on the main channel (as the first example i grabbed) is like twice the volume of this
2:28 Iunno if it has a term, but I'll make one up. How does Hype Induction sound?
I still say FOOTSIES is the best first fighting game because it teaches the fundamentals very quickly. Even the arcade mode teaches you to learn an opponent's habits and adapt mid match.
This a great reaction video!
JUST FIGHT THE OTHER HUMANS DON'T LISTEN TO WOOLIE'S "get yourself less nervous" talk. Fighting the computer more does NOT remove the nervousness of fighting another human, only Woolie has that weird goblin.
Hate street fighter but when I watched dbz fighterz on TH-cam it was something I like. Mk11 and guilty gear I never went online, but fighterz I'm online all day
I gotta disagree on King being amazing even without the throws, the throws are what elevates him to a solid character. Without the throws he would be low-tier but he's like Yoshimitsu in that the unpredictability is what gets you.
Great video! But man I just wish online had a tenth of the fun local vs has. I just feel nothing when it's some random, faceless name online. There's no interaction outside of strict game mechanics. There's no chit chat. There's nothing. I grew up before online was really a thing, and I just can't get into finding any joy in online pvp gaming where it's just random people. That same brain chemical interaction just isn't happening when I rematch someone online.
Even in games where there's voice chat, it's not the same because all people seem to want to do is talk mad shit. And I don't mean like ordinary smack talk. I'm talking about stuff that'd get you cut at the local Bally's. Like start dropping n-bombs IRL cause your wake up super didn't land and see what happens.
Lets GO, I like this vid
Who else read this in the voice of “FIGHTING POLYGON TEAM!”
pretty good vid
One Piece has NO good Fighting Games and I'm so mad about it, the last one was on the PS2 and it's kinda bad imo, we need a good One Piece fighting game asap
Oh yeah
I got into fighting games playing Street Fighter vs Xmen in some random arcade. Just love doing the air combos, even if i was so trash at the controls I couldn't beat the 2nd stage.
I love fighting games.
Lil Majin beating JDCR literally got me to buy Tekken 7 lol
I think fighting CPU too much teaches bad habits, so for new players I think it should be minimized.
Woolie, I know Naruto burned you, but PLEASE GET INTO ONE PIECE! IT'S WORTH IT!
The idea of fighting games is more fun than the fighting games
Skill issue
@@mydrillasanjay5397You are the problem.
I would love a simplified game with just a bunch of wireframes, no online, no story
Just progressive tutorials against opponents getting smarter every time and going into positions perfect for the tricks you just learned
Then getting into character-specific guides for Mr. Boxart, Grapplin' Goof, Gim McGee and the rest of the archetypes
Woolie thinking that RTS is a living genre with a wide scene is always so weird to me. That shit is deader than fighting games have ever been. AOE2 and Starcraft are still the most popular games, and they're older than pro Valorant players.
Polygonal fighting advice, for the squares in your life.
I am one of those people who clicked on "get into fighting games" hoping you would teach me, a 100% n00b, how to fight game. Hoping you might do some real beginners videos for SF6 when it comes out since CSB has got me interested in it
Have you seen our GIFG Newcomers episodes? They're all about starting from absolute scratch.
The only wins I’ve had in multi versus were mashes, or at least felt like it
An hour long reaction to a 20 minute video, asmongold tech