Worth the $2000??? I finally bought a Lamello Zeta...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video we take a look at the Lamello Zeta. I go over how it works, why I bought it, connectors, and if it's worth the money. Hope you enjoy this tool review on the Lamello Zeta P2.
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00:00 - 1 - Intro
01:00 - 2 - How it works?
07:48 - 3 - Why I bought it?
12:43 - 4 - Cordless vs Corded
15:13 - 5 - Clamex Connectors
19:07 - 6 - Tenso Connectors
22:14 - 7 - Handy Applications
25:14 - 8 - Is it easy to use?
26:41 - 9 - Connector Cost
30:00 - 10 - Is it worth the price?
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I am Mexican and I don’t speak good English but I admire you
Because you explain very very good and I have learned a lot from you
Thanks and God bless you
Hey man, just wanted to say how much your channel means to me. Everytime you drop a new video, I vocally and loudly say "YESSS!!!" and my wife already knows lol. She'll say "Spencer has a new video?" Lol. I get so excited and just about drop whatever it is that I'm doing just to watch it right away. You've taught me so much and I'm very grateful.
Keep up the great work man, much love. Take care and have a good one brother. Can't wait for the next one.
I appreciate that brother!
my marriage will go better if i stop watching your channel. i need to buy this now.
Great review of the tool. I’ve been using mine for little over a year now. In cabinetry building it is a must for me know. Build in shop, disassemble to transport, or flat pack ship. Reassemble in the field is a snap. Pun intended. So it’s great for right angle applications as well. Clamex is so great for shelving. Closet systems is now a breeze. Large panels that break down into manageable pieces for getting up stairs around corners, into tight spaces. What use to be a two man carry can now be a one man carry. It’s not what it costs you, it’s what it saves you.
Got this for our cabinet shop a year and a half ago and not sure I could live without it now! I actually use the auxiliary fence way more often than the fixed. Our most common used are: various miters (we use lock miters way less now), attaching cabinet faces, attaching inset side panels, and plywood extending as you mentioned. Every job we are finding new uses! Just did a tricky closet install with the face frames separate and able to be carried out of the room to cut the scribe, very satisfying to click the finished face into place! Lots of tricks to make the whole process smoother, can't wait to learn from your take and maybe get some new tips!
I have some lots in Florida to sell you
Great review Spencer. If I may add a couple of amendments. The tool comes with an auxiliary fence that allows you to adjust the height of the blade. Also, something I’d like to mention that the tool really sines in urban environments where spaces are tiny. Being able to assemble something that has finish coat on it on site is amazing. Last year I had to build something that was 14’ long and 3’ wide. To a 3rd floor apartment up a stairwell 2’ wide. The zeta p2 saved my butt.
Spenser, this was an extremely well put together presentation of this tool. I truly enjoyed how you broke down all of the components for review, very clear and concise. When you get tired of doing the install you would make a great instructor in a trade school. Keep up the great content. Merry Christmas to you and your family and continued success in the new year.
Thank you Spencer, this was a really nice intro video. I'm looking forward to seeing it being used in your workflow. I've been eyeballing one of these for some time, though I'd likely go cordless since I am on the CAS system. I watched Robin Clevett do a T&G ceiling using the Tenso connectors to hold the butt joints together, and that was brilliant. I've long thought something like that or dowels would be great, but even dowels wouldn't clamp them together like the Tensos.
Congratulations on this new tool pickup. Brilliant explanation of what it is and does. It looks really well thought out and durable which is a benefit when you’re making this kind of investment. I look forward to see it in usage on your upcoming work.
Really impressive video Spencer. I didn't know about this product and now you have me thinking about adding it to the arsenal. Thanks and you're the best! 👍👍
Really informative video. I've watched a bunch of vids on this tool and nothing I've seen comes close to this. As an example, detailing how the tool puts the locking channel at the end of the slot and how it is possible to detach the tenso connectors was very much appreciated - thank you! very well done on this and all other vidios of yours that i have seen.
Great video Spencer. I bought my system several months ago. I dumped the systainers and setup a Packout using a three drawer bottom filled with the various connectors and a mid sized hinged box then a shallow clear lid sorter tray. It holds both my standard Lomelo biscuit and the Zeta. Put that in a dolly base and you’ve got a great portable well stocked setup.
Great explanation. It is worth repeating that the Lamello and its unique fasteners do things others can't. It can be a game changer in a custom cabinet shop.
Your great attitude and work ethic and craftsmanship are much appreciated... keep up the great work Spencer!!
Wonderful review. Have always loved by Lamello biscuit joiner, terrific tool and use it a lot. I’ll be taking a close look at this one.
Thanks for the review Spencer, I particularly appreciate it. I can see the zero visible fastner aspect being very useful for stuff I'm asked to do. I will have to think more seriously about it 🤔
First time I've seen this or heard of this tool. Congratulations Spencer. Enjoy it in good health!
I’ve seen those slatted walls; like a modern beadboard. The solution you came up with is brilliant. I am so impressed.
I use the Zeta for about 4 Years, i use it about 2 times a week. If you can't put a clamp on, you can use the zeta.
Yes you can use a dust bag on it, they are also available from Lamello.
There is also an round paper blade thing in the zeta box which you can use for x amount of diffrent °corners. It tells you exact what you have to use to get an absolut fantastic result.
Worth all the money.
Had my zeta 4-5 years now don’t regret it one bit it’s a great tool and if anything happened to it I wouldn’t hesitate buying another. The tenso connectors are great and come in handy for so many applications.
@Insider Carpentry those bisco connectors can come in handy if you are test fitting pieces together for a dry assembly, perhaps before you deliver to a job site. Instead of trying to pry open a tenso fastener for example.
Great purchase man. I can see you getting immense use out of this tool. Bite the bullet and get a large stock of connectors. The price won't ever come down I'm sure
Awesome review Spencer. Super I informative for me since only had a “at a glance” knowledge of this tool. I already sent the video to my trimmer and Cabinet guy. We’re doing a lot of slat walls lately.
Hands down, you’re the best finish carpenter on TH-cam!
Although I have not used this tool, I’m currently installing a locally made high-end kitchen with dozens of the clamex connectors. They’re phenomenal! Pro-tip; do not mix up the female end connectors of the two systems-someone at the shop mixed them up-which made for a frustrating assembly on one of the cabinets since they look alike. These have many advantages over the Festool.
Purchased lamello couple years ago and as a handyman it’s definitely improved assembly to the next level. Made a garage table designed to be broken down and found several more uses.
Really Great video and review of this Tool! I was on the fence and this video answered my questions and and concerns. We have a cabinet shop and plan to implement the Lamello system moving forward. Thank you Spencer
Spencer ; Lamello also makes a stair railing connector tool and the hardware to make totally hidden fasteners ! Ingenious tooling uses magnetic fasteners to join together railing . Along with the Zeta I can see where my joinery products become just “Snappy”!
Really it’s about being able to procure tools and learn their proper use in providing a class A product to your customer!
And you know what that takes besides money Spencer????
Passion! Passion for the trade, working on your own (most often) enjoying the work environment !
Carpentry is my passion as far as work!
And I spend slot of time working!!!
Great review. Appreciate you taking the time and posting it. Thank you
We own two of these. I'm regret taking so long to decide buying one. Incredible for so many applications. Those Swiss really know how to engineer, well, just about anything.
Good purchase, great review. Full time cabinet maker and the Zeta was a game changer (don't use the Domino much anymore). AMAZING on miter fold floating shelves.
Thanks Lewis, it looks like a very good tool.
If I ever get going and start doing some woodworking, I will consider purchasing this.
Thanks for all of your video's. I've learned a ton by watching.
Nice review, I've had one of these in my cabinet shop for about a year. One thing to try before you throw out those bisco things...we use them on installations to hold things temporarily for scribing fillers and end panels. Basically we'll have a cleat attached to the cabinet that's machined with slots to attach the filler to. On your filler piece cut your matching slots, then using the movable fence offset it by 1/2" (or whatever thickness your scribe block is). Machine a few extra slots on the filler piece. Now on the jobsite you can set your cabinet, use the biscos to hold the piece in place offsetting it exactly 1/2" from the final position. Run your scribe block along the wall and trace the wall profile onto the filler. Plane or belt sand to the line and snap in place with Tensos using the original slots. Perfect fit every time.
Makes perfect sense to keep them around now. Thanks!
Is your cleat flush with frame? Just wondering how you get the filler to fit the bisco slots and then when it slides over its flush with cab and still fits in slots
@@kjk7225 We usually build frameless cabinets so the filler is a separate piece to bridge the gap between the cabinet side and the wall. Usually we make it with the filler front face flush with the face of the doors. With face frame cabinets we make the frame removable and assemble it with pocket screws so you can take the whole frame off, install just the cabinet carcase, then remove the end stile from the frame, offset it with biscos and scribe to the wall then reassemble and attach in place. But it takes a long time and only makes sense to do this in situations like when installing between 2 walls and need a tight fit. In those situations you have to do it for both sides. If you're just bumping against a single wall don't bother just do a normal scribe, trim & install.
Well done Spencer.....Another high end option of a tool that can make a difference to quality job site production.
Awesome demonstration sir. My cousin works at Colonial Saw as a salesman. They're the primary Lamello dealer for all of the US. He let me borrow a basic biscuit joiner to test for a couple months. It was an ~$800 joiner but I didn't find a substantial difference compared to my cordless Makita. It didn't have any special capabilities like yours. I've used Lamello self clamping biscuits for years and they're very handy. When you dive down the biscuit joiner rabbit hole it's amazing how many different biscuits there are made of various materials and with different clamping capabilities.
Chris Hoffman very helpful demoing the tool at JLC Live in Providence RI.
Makita make great biscuit jointers but they are a little bit more time consuming to use and the fence system is not as good.
Now if you are starting out on a budget a Makita is a very good option.
@@bighands69 I wouldn't consider the cordless Makita to be a budget joiner and the fence has been dead on for ~3 years. I took a digital micrometer to every blade on my 5 joiners because the Lamello salesmen said their blades are different but they're all exactly the same. I highly recommend the Makita cordless, but I bet the newer DeWalt is better.
@@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter
Makita is a great tool for those with a lower budget but it is nowhere near as good to use professional as a Lamello Classic X.
@@bighands69 I guess when I think of budget biscuit joiners I think of the $60-100 range. The cordless Makita was $240 when I bought it a while back. Definitely not the same action as the Lamello but in the field I didn't find any significant difference for basic joinery. The blades were the same thickness to the 1/1000th of an inch. I liked the rubber glides on the Lamello fence but still preferred the rack and pinion on the Makita. It was an older model in the $800 range so I'm sure Lamello has made some upgrades to their newer and pricier models.
Thanks for showing us. cheers from Tasmania
You are one of the good ones! In my area no one thinks about how their work will help or hurt the next sub!
All I do is custom cabinets..and this tool is worth every penny! I use it on every single project for all kinds of applications. I buy the box of 1000 Tenso’s for about $775. It lasts a while. The ease, convenience and efficiency this tool gives you is priceless. No regrets on this one for me
Sure you did
I bought a Lamello Biscuit joiner in the early 1980's for a specific job (a custom kitchen) and I am still using that exact same tool on projects today. It cost an arm and a leg at the time, easily equivalent in todays dollars to what you spent on the Zeta. No regrets. Although, it cost more than my brand new Delta 10 inch shop table saw at the time, like you, I saw the power of the potential and sure hoped I was right. I was, and am sure you are too. R.O.I. many, many times over.
That makes perfect sense on why you used that. Plus the client bought it with markup. I always roll a tool into a job and mark it up just like material.
This tool is really nice and I have used now for a year or so. You will find places to use this now. Keep the videos coming…!!
I played with one of these at Oak Tree Supply in Fort Wayne a few weeks ago. It is a well built and unique tool. Anxious to see how it changes your work flow!
You won’t regret it, I’ve found I use it more than I initially thought I would. Only issue I have is cost of consumables.
And be careful to line up your drill hole position using the clamex
Wow, great demo on how it oscillates too. I couldn't figure out how that would work without widening the entire opening.
Great buy, I've had to stop myself several times from purchasing one
On the several times I have required one, I opted for the Knapp connector's, which as a fixing are still pricey! Great content mate.
I have their classic biscuit joiner, and it is great and incredibly accurate. I always enjoy the videos.
me too
Congrats on the new tool for your shop. Would love to buy one myself; but just not for me yet, maybe one day.
And honestly, if a tool helps you in a job/project, makes you happy….who cares what it costs, and pay for it…what matters is if you’re happy and okay with it, and if you are, than that’s what matters and if ppl have issues with the price tag, oh well, imo.
Have fun finding all the new ways to use and create projects w/ this👍🏻
Great video. Thanks for keeping the trade moving forward
Outstanding mate! Another great video, cheers!
Still enjoying this old video . Thanks for making it Spencer
Thanks for another interesting video. It's always easier to justify a big tool purchase if you already have a job lined up where you can put it to good use.
Very good video, well done. If I had the need I would buy one as a result of this video.
I know what I want for Christmas. Definitely need this!
I bought one back in 2015 for a specific job , now it gets used every day in my shop . We built high end custom cabinetry and millwork for the toughest architects and clients, It’s one of those tools that you can’t remember a time before you had one .
Great review I got really lucky that a year and a half ago and picked one up at a local pawn shop for less than $300 brand new in the box full kit very lucky fine great tool
Watching your videos the last couple of years I've always thought that the Lamello would be really suited for a lot of the work you do. I'm sure you're going to find uses for it that one else has thought of yet!
I bought the lamello a couple of years back. If it was 5 grand I would still buy it. Makes angled wardrobe and cabinet carcasses a breeze - haven't used a clamp since. Like you I also use it for making larger sheet material, in my case MR and Tricoya MDF. Chuck in a few dominos and leave it glued up overnight and, as long as you can carry it, you can go as large as you like. Not used as much as the other connectors, but the Flexus connectors can solve difficult assembly hassle.
Looking forward to seeing how you use the machine!
Thank you for this detailed presentation. Better than the Zeta tools site!.
I have been considering this for 1 year now instead of the Domino. I did get a Dowelmax system which i love!....but the Zeta is next for sure now since im doing a lot more custom cabinet and built ins for clients and it will make my processes more streamlined and more fun and lessen any frustrations doing builds.
The connector costs are just part of the job cost and must be added in just like any other fastener used....i would not sweat it considering it makes for a more satisfying and valuable build.
Doug, Grand Bend, Ontario
Hi Spencer, I’ve got this tool and can only tell you a lot of applications will come. When I hear what you’re saying eg. “Biscuit joiners was a waste of money”. Well, I use it all the time to check if everything fits together. Where zeta really shines are angel joins. It’s unbelievably easy even with very strange angels where there’s simply no way to join and clamp it. Especially when you need to join small pieces where all those “10” joiners come. Anyways, have fun with the new tool
I started with a biscuit joiner, moved on to the Domino, it may be time to move again 😊 Great video, Spencer. Thanks for posting ..
Have you ever used the Festool connectors they seem to be used in the some of the same type of applications as the Zeta?
Super-informative review, as always. FYI, @knappconnectors makes a wide variety of KD connectors, several types of which could be used for the first application you mentioned, requiring only a biscuit machine for installation. Probably a bit slower, but another way to accomplish the mission until a guy has justification to take the Zeta plunge.
great tool! if i had any use for it i would definitely buy it. it would quickly pay for itself in no time. another high end tool is the castle pocket hole system. very clean pocket holes and the ability to make them a lot faster than the kreg system.
I'm in the market for the cordless Zeta P2. Burns Tools awesome! I got my shaper origin through them!
I use this exclusively in my shop. I don't have an CNC. This machine allowed me to put any cabinet box together all by my self. There is a little learning curve.
You’re one of the best Spencer!
I used to roll my eyes when I heard mention of these - then I tried them. Surprisingly effective.
Thanks Spencer. Love your channel.
I bought the dust bag for the Lamello Top Ten some five years ago and it really works good with only the standard Top Ten blade as the new design blade tends to ball up the dust immediately before the dust comes out of the metal exhaust shoot. Have the Festool vac with extended snout ready as you unzip the bag so you may clean out all the dust in the bag. Portability with that bag on the Lamello Top Ten with power cord is great. So easy to use. The newer blade for Lamello tends to curl up the dust shavings and plug the exhaust. I oil the slides on the Lamello every time I use the tool and that has kept the precision to a high level over the last 32 years. I have the optional H9 Lamello plates for thinner woods-very good.
32 years! That's awesome!
Brilliant review
always enjoy your vids Spence God Bless
I'm pretty sure that I can face life without this tool
I install for a millwork shop that uses the Zeta. It's a really useful machine especially for fastening face frames. It saves time.
Hey Spencer! Super concise vid. I LOVE your solution of replacing the stock cable with a festool connector plug. Could you possibly give me an idea of where you got it. I’m having a very hard time finding one. Thanks a million and love your videos.
Great review. I was interested in getting one for the similair style feature wall, but since it was for home use, I couldn't justify It.. Ended up coming across Knapp Connectors who sell many different hidden fastener options. Went with the dovetail ones and they worked out very well for a no show fastener install.
@crzyworm623 that is very useful information - thanks!
Funny you mention knapp because they make a connector that looks very similar to the lamello ones he plans to use for the slat wall except the knapp connectors get tapped into a size #20 biscuit slot cut with a biscuit joiner and have teeth on the connector that hold them in place. There's a male and a female one and they snap together it's called the Knapp FAST biscuit check it out.
Awesome video ❤❤❤
It's called a keyway, that slot the connectors slide in. The auxiliary fence makes for easy with mitered capabilities and the 2mm and 4mm offset fence plates are sweet. It's expensive yes but man it's so sweet when perfection is necessary!
Wherei have found this tool to shine is exterior trim applications
Makes outside miters just snap right together with some clamping pressure
great video as always. thank you
Spencer congratulations on approaching 200k subs. I realize it's like having a deal with the devil being a TH-camr as TH-cam is constantly feeding your subs similar content. But your content is very unique compared to other carpentry channels. Keep posting.
PS. If the tool pays for itself on the first job, it's a no brainier.
I remember I bought the Domino Connect set a while ago, but never used it for anything but was planning to. Fast forward to the present day and my shop was burned up in and CA wildfire. I had the original Lamenello biscuit cutter I bought 30 years ago, it was of excellent quality. I also had the Lamenelo flush cutter, also an excellent tool.
The original Top Lamello was my go to tool for gluing panels and exterior doors together
Great review !! thanks
Another option would have been 'Fastmount'. They are used a lot in the yacht industry for removable panels. Its a nice system....
Great video and very helpful for someone evaluating the Zeta 2. I have one but find that I should be using it more in the building steps but don't seem to grab it much. I have looked online for other uses and how carpenters use it in their workflow, but there's little information out there folks are sharing. It would be great to see you make a video after you have used it for a few years on how to use it in different carpentry and cabinet applications. Also, where do I find the plugin adapter you replaced the cord with?
You would think that since the tool cost so much itself that they could sell the connectors for less. But no, that’s were they get your money. Still a very cool tool.
Wow nice. Lot of usage. Thanks
I wonder how many people watching said to themselves "The *MIGHTY* biscuit joiner!" :) Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I'm just a DIY'er so I won't ever get it.But it's always interesting to hear the pro's perspective.
Great video
I’m working on great way of explaining to my wife why I need this.
Burns tools Is about 30mins away and unfortunately had a tragic fire about 2 wks ago....I love that place. Great content
always look forward to your videos
That is tragic. Fires are such a devastation.
Spencer, another fantastic video. Thank you for sharing your insights and expertise. I have been really curious about this tool and you cover 99% of my questions. The one thing I am still unclear on is connecting them without the piece that you insert into the conectors.... is it possible or recommend. Thank you again for your time and unselfish sharing of your skills
Most of the time I don't even bother to put the preload clips in.
@Josh Gies thank you I was curious...... and cheap
Awesome videos, love your channel. But as someone who's been thinking about a lamello, this isn't good for my bank balance :) Looking forward to seeing the slat wall, this is one of my use cases for this. Thanks for all your tips and sharing your secrets.
We make our own Xl plywood with the domino, but it requires 12ft pipe clamps which could take up extra pace (we have an A-frame clamp cart).
Building, finishing, then breaking it down for transportation is where it would shine for our cabinet shop.
Especially floating shelves in wall to wall scribed applications, 3rd hand spreaders help.. but 2pc would be much easier to keep the drywall pristine.
Well done on the in depth analysis!
Lamello has another type of connectors that might be of use in that floating shelf scenario. The divario. It’s meant to be a connector you slide your shelf piece into. Might be worth looking at if you weren’t already aware of that particular connector.
@Patrick Houser I don't have the lamello yet..
I have added Metabo 18v system,since their batteries are used for the zeta...and Mafell.
Baby steps.
@@2chipped I got onto CAS specifically for Mafell and have been expanding from there, hah. Indeed, baby steps with these large purchases.
This can also work as a regular biscuit joiner by switching out the blade. CMT makes a perfect blade.
So now when you send a newbie for the bord stretcher !!!! There is one !!! Nice tool !! Lots of potential !!!
Thnx for the video always been curious about how the connectors worked I have both domino’s really like them but expensive to buy hard for me to understand cost vs engineering and what you get lol like the domino I can see where this could really be handy solve some situations
18:39 my man has literally found the board stretcher every apprentice has been asked to find... 🤣
Hi I have Lamello and both Festool domino I don’t use a lot but I happy I got them because when I need it’s game change I love tools 😂
it creates a dovetail joint inside.amazing
love this guy!!!
Awesome thank you as always
Awesome!
Side note can you show how to add those festools cords?
This! Or where to order the tool-side adapter, please!
Excellent. Thank you.