What do I think of Hapkido?
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- Shanghai based MMA coach and Kunlun Fight ringside commentator Ramsey Dewey answers questions from the viewers. What’s the deal with the Korean martial art of hapkido? Is hapkido any good? Are hapkido schools McDojos (or McDojangs in this case) Can hapkido practitioners do all those cool looking demo moves in a real fight? Can you use hapkido in MMA? And if not, does it really matter?
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I took hapkido at my university for a year. They did sparring in deeper belts and always encouraged me to try other martial arts to get better. Pretty cool of them
I'm Kenjutsu, with moderate Aiki. Sojutsu, Naginatajutsu. I actually started in Judo, then Tae Kwon Do. When I found my Sensei, I threw most away. It was easier to stay with Sankakudai, Chudan, Jodan, etc. The term and concepts are from the same source Nihon.
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Yes, the reason for sparring is usually restricted is because the level of danger it can impose to beginners since it is essentially MMA with more joint manipulations. People who don't know exactly how to react can get badly hurt VERY, VERY quickly.
@@hornetc5585 MMA's entire submission game is joint manipulation besides chokes of course. You can't have more joint manipulation then MMA haha. I spent a few years in hapkido, then got into MMA and they don't really compare.
That’s actually honest, and a bit of great advice.
I wanna see a fight between a Krav Makido master and an Ameridote master now
😲😲😲😱😱😱 Does Master Ken already know?
@@jurujujajaja I sure do hope a Krav Makido fighter challenges him. Seria doidera
Versus Ameridote? It won't be a fight just Master Ken giving a beat down...
The fight will be over in 0.01 second as soon as master Ken releases his killface-thrust of freedom-hurticane combination and finishes with a stomp and restomp to the groin
@@liu_hou_yu Don't forget the sucker punch and re re re stomping the groin.
I've done hapkido and thought the blocks and blows were cool. Then I was attacked outside a pub. my training worked.
hapkido used in real life looks nothing like in the dojo. It's messy because violence is messy. but the concepts work.
I assume this is true of most martial arts so criticize none
@literally not z define real boxing?
You mean rigged and made to look real but bassicaly WWE ?
@@rysnlsmlmy7688 This isn't the Don King era anymore dude... the mob is no longer the big money behind boxing... There are far less rigged matches and your top tier boxers are actually trying to take each other's heads off.
@@BionicBurke absolutely wrong about that.. boxing is very rigged.. with that being said, hapkido is better than nothing
@@steverodgers4662 rigged no, matches hand picked to allow those with star power the best possible chance to stay on top... yes.
@@BionicBurke ehh ..I'm not believing that all corruption is gone from boxing..Pacquiao beat the shit outta tim Bradley yet he loses on the cards? What a coincidence he had tax problems at the time as well huh? Interesting ppl also think organized crime just packed it all in and decided to go home..fantasy land
Hapkido black belt here to offer my two cents. I got my black belt at a not for profit club so we really never did any demos (though obviously many Hapkido clubs do). Hapkido was actually created by a Korean man who was taken to Japan as a result of the Japanese occupation of Korea, hence you see the Japanese influence. IMHO, I would say Hapkido is more a combination of Taekwondo and Judo than Taekwondo and Aikido (though we did practice wrist locks). We actually did four different types or “rounds” of sparring. First round was only kicks and punches allowed (punches to the face and kicks to the leg were allowed). Second round was Judo-style grappling. In my club however we had a lot of former wrestlers so we would typically allow double leg takedowns, etc that wouldn’t usually be allowed in Judo. Third round was ground work and fourth round was all of the above. I personally liked this because it forced you to be a well-rounded martial artist. There were people from wrestling backgrounds whose wrestling skills could often carry the day regardless but having a round dedicated just to kicks and punches meant that they would have to get out of their comfort zone.
As I’ve already alluded to, cross-training with other martial arts was welcomed and encouraged. Many of the black belts had solid backgrounds in other disciplines (wrestling, Taekwondo etc) so in my experience, it helped me to become a well-rounded martial artist. My Hapkido background translated pretty well to when I joined the MMA club as a university student, certainly no matches there were one sided (admittedly most of them were better than me on the ground).
Certainly you get clubs that focus more on forms/martial arts acrobatics, that’s really down to the head instructor. I’m personally not opposed to forms as I think it helps people learn techniques in isolation before you pressure test them and because I believe it makes training more accessible to older students. I believe any martial art has the potential to be cult-y, but I’m happy to say that wasn’t my personal experience at all with Hapkido :)
Ye, this is a great description of Hapkido!!! My Hapkido teacher is a TKD and Judo teacher. I would actually join his Judo class before Hapkido if I had time before my other classes (I regularly get Judo at another college but would go there when I couldn't go where I normally would).
Yep. That's it.
I am glad to hear this. I started my martial arts journey with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ). I continue to train BJJ while I have also picked up Hapkido, specifically Shensei Hapkido. While my BJJ school teaches Judo, it is not every class and we can go weeks or months and not cover any Judo. I've learned more Judo from my Hapkido class. I appreciate that my Hapkido school welcomes me as a BJJ practitioner. My sensei was initially reluctant but he knew some of my family and allowed it. He now has more interest in working ground work.
I think like any martial art, people need to be aware that there is differences even within the same form. My BJJ school is more defense oriented and fight oriented than many schools though many of the techniques we train will translate into competitions. My Hapkido school is Aikido influenced, but always emphasizes you can't just go up to someone and do x wristlock. You need to distract them first with a punch, kick or such. They focus on 5 basic form wristlocks and then teach someone to think and recognize entries and transitions. I hear BJJ guys put down Hapkido, and yet I've learned the same wristlocks from both schools. One does it from standing and the other from the ground. Doesn't make sense to me to put Hapkido down. I am from Southern Missouri. We say down here, "Eat the chicken and spit out the bones." Best advice I could give to any one cross training or thinking of cross training. No one martial arts is going to be perfect.
James Lowery make sure that your Hapkido Master is legit because there are a lot of fake Hapkido black belts in the world of Hapkido. Just check there background in the art and if they claim to be 6th dan black belt or higher before the age of 30...change Hapkido schools.
Hapkido comes from Daitoryu Aikijutsu, not aikido, which also has some roots in the same art. Hapkido is not so much for "street fights/violence" but is for doormen, security and peace officers to restrain by pain compliance.
If your Hapkido Dojang does not do full contact sparring (including grappling), find another one. Hapkido was first formed by Choi Yong-sool after his indentured servitude in Japan under the Takeda family. He was treated as family and trained in Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu. He teamed up with a TKD practitioner and a 3rd Dan Judoka when he returned to S.Korea. This became how Hapkido was formed. Power strikes from TKD, throws and locks from both Aikijujutsu and Judo, and the Newaza of Judo. Hapkido is actually used by the South Korean military. It also has techniques in many military training programs. I absolutely hate the demonstrations honestly. They really don't do it any favors. In this day and age, showing off more realistic techniques (instead of the techniques that are just ways of teaching you body mechanics) would be far more effective.
Hapkido has punches, kicks, throws, chokes, locks, ground fighting, multiple attacker fighting and weapon fighting. You're sure to pick up something new. Pick the style or styles that work for you - might as well be Hapkido.
Hapkido is MMA.Basically Korean Juitsu
I will say there are many do jangs that are BS. The ones that are the real deal will always teach proper technique but will teach you to adapt those techniques in your own way for real life situations. Hap ki do is a no joke combat art.
@@MalakyaahlaHadabaryamBanYashar NO it's not Hapkido is a KOREAN martial arts that doesn't consist of MMA. MMA is mixed martial arts which is a sport. There's a difference.
@@MalakyaahlaHadabaryamBanYashar Jui jistu came from Japan.
Did 15 years of HKD, did some professional mma fighting, trained in other disciplines and worked in the private and bar security field for 10, and I can say hands down HKD was the best tool I had for the type of work I did.
Probably the judo stuff.
@@MentalDeviant judo came after jiujitsu. So not probably judo stuff, jujitsu stuff
lol. Scorpion initially got me interested in Hapkido.
Lol
Scorpion from mortal kombat?
@ Angel Cortes - What rank do you need to learn the roped dagger and ‘GET OVER HERE!’ ?
It’s funny 😆, but also, so telling of how much movies can influence peoples’ decisions in choosing their form of choice.
It took me many years to find that the simpler the fighting style, the more effective. The more complex the style the less effective. But it is always the flashiness that attracts the students initially.
In martial arts, in my opinion ( to an extent) ....less is more.
I would rather perfect the few techniques, rather than learn a hundred different techniques which you will have to extract from your memory, and try to apply it within a fraction of a second, throughout the fight.
That's one of the reasons why Scorpion is my favourite character in mk.
As a black belt in Hapkido I can hopefully clear up any misconceptions about Hapkido. It derived from Daito-Ryu-Akijujitsu. Hapkido Grand Master Choi Yong-Sool, and Founder of Aikido Grand Master Morihei Ueshebi were students of Takeda Sokaku who was considered the founder of Daito-Ryu-Akijujitsu. So while Aikido, and Hapkido share some similarities they are completely different arts. To answer the persons question yes some Hapkido schools do put an emphasis on demos to promote the art. True of any art. My school, and federation do not believe in demos. The one thing I truly enjoy about Hapkido is my instructor is versed in several martial arts. I also was well versed in several arts before I took up Hapkido. As a corrections officer I have used Hapkido many, many times over the years in helping to subdue unruly inmates. So as you answered yes it can work, however it completely depends on the person.
P.S. the Mortal Kombat character you're think of is Scorpion!
Thank god 🙏 someone that actually knows the history yayyy 😁👌
Well said@ tang Soo!
The story I read, or that I like most, is that Choi and Ueshebi studied under Takeda at the same time. I've only recently started to look at Hapkido because I got interested in the short stick, Dan Bong, for self defense an exercise. I was surprised at the connection because I'd studied Aikido back in the day but didn't know about Choi. My Aikido was cooperative two person dance without resistance. When I recently started looking at Hapkido vids my impression was that it's Aikido with teeth.
Interesting that these two gents would study under the same man and reach a similar but different interpretation. But it seems a lot of of Hapkido depends on the head instructor. Very pliable art, an refreshingly free of ego.
I am a Hapkido practitioner, I used to do some amatuer boxing as well. As a boxer I always had a hard time facing a grappler. After practicing Hapkido I was attacked by someone trying to take me down. I used a move my Hapkido instructor taught me to counter the attack, I subdued the attacker.
A good boxer will KO the grappler before he can even attempt a takedown
@@zack801 Mixed martial arts competitions have proven that this is not as easy as you think. A good boxer without proper takedown defence will get taken down almost every single time. That being said, grapplers should absolutely be able to box as well as grapple.
@@zack801 A good boxer probably knows he shouldn’t take on a grappler
@@Ronald1324 A good grappler knows he shouldn't take on a boxer
@@zack801 🧌
Hapkido was my first real martial art, some Judo as a tiny kid aside, and I loved it. You're completely right, it didn't teach me how to fight, but it kickstarted my love for martial arts and it put me into shape as a teenager. I've been doing MMA for years now and didn't step into a Hapkido Dojang since around 2013, but I still remember it fondly and am really thankful for what it did for me.
I studied Hapkido and was an instructor for the adult morning classes. The really good instructors taught evenings. I think it has some very good concepts. It has some fabulous TKD style kicks, as well as knees, and elbow strikes. It has a few really good Judo type throws and take downs. It has some fairly useful joint manipulations that are also utilized in jujitsu. The hand strikes are certainly not as powerful or effective as boxing, It also leaves a lot to be desired as far as submissions go. I think it can be a highly beneficial art to know, if you also combine it with Boxing, some wrestling, and or BJJ and actually train, mixing all those techniques together.
I practice karate and the style i practice sounds very similar with the same strengths and weaknesses. We do have the same punches as boxing in the movement sylabuss but they don't get practiced as often or at all in some dojos so i haven't seen them to full effect yet
I just started with hapkido and the only thing i dont really like is the fighting with the stick.
@@wpi6705 you guys fight with a stick?? Im a green-blue belt and in my school the stick is for brown belts ;-;
Very nice,
I’m a 6th Dan Professor in Jujitsu
6th Dan Hapkido
5th Dan Kenpo
1st Dan Judo
I have Wrestled since I was 4 started Greco when I was 6 :)
You’re 100% right. The thing is you know how to wrestle you can take down people you can throw them there’s a lot of holds, and good moves that can move into Jujitsu. If you know Hapkido and you understand how to fall roll and you understand a few more different throws that are very good because they’re off of manipulations. That also helps in Jujitsu because there is wrist locks all over the place!
Then knowing Kenpo a standup style also helps you to be a better punch, or kick, or someone that can actually read people, and understand how to move then it’s really important I think to learn to stand up and grappling! Then understanding judo helps you understand a lot more deeper throws and concepts you need to understand that Gracie Jujitsu was taught by judo practitioners that we’re good at grappling. The other thing that I want to say is the judo guys that came over and never gave them black belt in jujitsu who do you think gave them black belts?
If you really wanna know a lot about the older style and where the grease is came from and who taught them. Where Japanese jujitsu comes from and what is it about. How do they work together and why Japanese jujitsu some other art of Jujitsu!
Nonsense, you shouldn't have to "combine" it to make it functional, it should be functional (within its limitations, of course) on its own. The problem is that it actually takes other arts to make any of it work and then they claim how great it is. It is all lies and nonsense. Over in North America it was a marketing system and most of the early instructors had fake/self-promoted 7th degrees despite being 30 years old and all that nonsense. Hapkido was something to add to the business in addition to TKD. It just steals from other arts. There was little grappling in it before but they realized they were getting their asses kicked by real fighters so added all this.Most of the training is a waste of time, and garbage for Star Wars nerds. Train functional combat sports. In my 35 years in martial arts I never saw anyone who could actually fight with Hapkido strategy or any of the hundreds of moves. For grappling they mostly steal from BJJ to make any of their armlocks effective in real application for fighting. Anyone who train as I did in the 1980s (or 1970s) knows the reality of these sorts of arts then.
Thank you for bringing it out so well
Being a Hapkido instructor myself I totally see where the question is coming from.
Unfortunately some martial arts more then others have drifted from real technique to fancy demo training, similar you have in Ninjutstu for instance...
When it comes to real self defense technique [which Hapkido, Ninjutsu, Silat and so on have been created for] the techniques in these various martial arts actualy have alot of similarities and are not as pretty.
So back to the ending, training is what matters and your goal is the path...
Silat can be beautiful when we want to show people the art, and it can be brutal and deadly when we want to use it for effect.
Interesting points raised. You should check out Anthony Cummins youtube channel for some brilliantly researched points in Ninjutsu.
@@MrHizman checked it out....wow, thanks
Thug: "Give me all your money. Now!"
Me: "Be careful. I have a black belt in Krav Chun Makido."
Thug: "OK, you win, i'm out."
lmao, he would give you all of his money
"If I say "Okay, I'm going to teach you how to throw invisible fireballs that will knock out multiple opponents from a distance without touching them!"
Me: *Eyes light up*
"That's obviously a lie"
Me: *Slouches in disappointment*
Real Hapkido schools don’t teach that...only the ones run by Fake Hapkido Black Belts do.
Well, alcohol fires do exist, and I'm pretty sure you could get an engineer to teach you fling one at something. While they may well knock a person unconscious, it is prudent to know they may also kill the person and land you in legal trouble, as well as being somewhat ineffective for self-defence. That being said, it can be done, and may would that be painful.
"Hadoken!!!" ::pulls out a .45::
Have studied hapkido for several years at my church under a group of teachers, each black belts in various techniques. The primary Sensei 's teaching base was in Aiki-jujutsu, judo, and Shotokan Karate. Others were BJJ, Taekwondo, and other disciplines. The idea was to give you options to use for self defense. Not everybody will be able to punch or kick their way out of trouble, perhaps they will excel at wrist or finger locks or throws. Everyone is different. The first thing they taught us was how to escape if someone grabs you. No high-flying throws or kicks, just how to escape and run away screaming for help. Then, you learn how to fall without hurting yourself. In fact, you don't learn to throw until your third belt level. Sparring doesn't start until your 4th level belt. BTW, I don't know if it's the same in other dojos, but in ours, it usually takes about a year before you level up. This is not a McDojo deal.
Oh, did I mention that this was all free? You only pay for your gi and belts, after you advance to your 2nd belt.
Hapkido for Jesus!
Great perspective Dewey!!!!
Aikido and Hapkido has same Chinese characters- 合气道
Yes, but they train different skills. And hapkido is from Korea while Aikido is from Japan, although the lineage is basically the same
@@Choco_Bada He literally said it's just the same characters, not about anything you said.
Hapkido x aikido= hankido
Hankido x bagua = throws Style xD
@Purasuchikkuaidoru appranply an early form of aikido that worked. It was created before the creator of aikido had those 3 spirtual moments
It is striving to achieve harmony .. Actually fighting is very personal and very here and now focused and training is about the journey to become by becoming better at everything you do and are. With harmony with yourself and the rest of the realm.
For a little while I was kinda in with the group dissing aikido and the likes as bullshido. And yes, some aikido guys market it dishonestly, making it bullshido. But in the end, the question is - does aggressively calling out whole styles as bullshit actually benefit anyone? Will it cause good things to happen? Will it even be neutral?
Even if someone thinks that they are learning fighting skills from aikido, but also acknowledges that fighting on da streetz would be dumb and that the best self-defense against an assault is not being in a situation where there might be an assault and second best defense is running, is it really a bad thing? If they're excited about aikido and it's the only physical exercise they really feel like is fun to do, it's not really away from me. Even if they think they're learning actual skills for physical dominance of another person.
A good point on that there will always be someone in a popular-enough style who actually knows how to fight. There's a video floating around of a bouncer doing legit aikido moves on a rowdy customer who's part of a group starting a brawl with the bouncers. In that particular case, an aikido technique (it was that classic spinny arm lock that ends up with another person on their stomach on the ground, kote gaeshi or something like that) worked. Now the small, easily neglected piece of extra context was that the bouncer who did it was also a muay thai coach and a live long martial artist with legit combat sports experience, who does aikido because he finds it peaceful and fun and useful for pacifying drunk customers. He was also a very large and strong guy, so that obviously helps.
Good video as pretty much always! Hopefully my random monologues aren't too annoying to read, I guess I just like to write my thoughts somewhere as they come when I'm watching interesting videos.
Can't speak for the crowd, but I enjoyed reading your thoughts and learning about your opinions.
Imho it is always nice to see/read that someone in todays martial arts community isn't so full of hate as a lot people seem to be.
I also like to make fun of Aikido once in a while, but I agree that the typical cyring about bullshido is already going to far; as far as I remember training in the martial arts was also about developing as a person and finding a way to learn to help others and not only about desperately trying to be the strongest dude within the strongest style... and wasn't there something about treating others with respect? 🤔
@@jackmakmorn that's fine. Then it shouldn't be called a martial art. The word martial means "war"
I hope everyone understands the difference between being a person that can fight and being a person skilled in whatever type of movements. Someone can be exceedingly proficient in Hapkido, for example, really fluid with those movements, regardless of whether or not the style is meant to be used in a fight.
That said, if it's being presented *as* useful in a fight, then it's the art being misrepresented.
To clarify the point; Magnus Carlsen is REALLY good at chess. He's, to my knowledge, not good in a fight. His lack of fighting doesn't make him bad at chess, though; even if he _thought_ chess skill was applicable in a fight, even if he believed and promoted that and trained in chess for the purpose of fighting, that wouldn't change that he's good at chess. It *would* mean he's deluded and misrepresenting what chess is really for.
Note: Assuming that chessboxing starts with the chess portion, he probably _could_ beat most people in the first minute, so technically, yes, he is REALLY good at one half of a combat sport.
I like the way you think.
I sometimes forget Chess-Boxing is a thing, and for that reason I do not watch it often. That makes my life less colourful.
Thank you for reminding me of that part of youtube that desperately needs my full focus right now.
I would also throw "he maybe misinterpreted it" into the mix
yes yes I know. In the minds of you Trump supporters, the only useful fighting techniques are the ones invented by white people or at least advanced by white people. All those thousands of years of refinement in fighting techniques in Asia never happened, and unless something is used in UFC, it is not effective. I know.
So according to you guys, the Navy SEALs don't know anything about fighting since they train in Jeet Kune Do, the Marine Corps knows nothing about training since they use Marine Corps Marital Arts Program, the Israeli Special Forces know nothing because they use Krav Maga....
Hey! I trained hapkido for about 3 - 4 years in college (got about halfway up the belt ladder). Hapkido shares a lot in common taekwondo, aikido, and jujitsu. As it was taught to me, there were two students that both trained aiki-jujitsu. One moved to Japan, and his styles eventually developed into jujitsu and aikido. One moved/stayed in Korea, and hapkido developed from that. Hapkido draws A LOT from other styles and, like most folks have said, we practiced a lot of varying styles in my dojang. My instructor was big on training jujitsu/grappling and submissions. He went so far as to make a "house rule" that you only could win/end a sparring match if you submitted your opponent. We were encouraged to have striking skills and practice those sparring, but we as a class all knew that the fight was going to the ground eventually. Particularly in the higher belts, there was a LOT of rolling. A lot of hapkido's forms have good information and do work, and a lot of them are pretty painful. LOL. On the flip side of the coin, a lot don't make a ton of sense or aren't super practical. You have to sift through the techniques and find the ones worth applying, then use them judiciously, like any technique. My instructor and classmates all were students of several martial arts and encouraged diversifying, gaining experience, and expanding your "toolbox", as my instructor put it. Great video, great perspective. I highly enjoy your pragmatic approach to traditional martial arts. Thanks for making awesome content!
I'm almost a 2nd dan and I've learned quite a bit of practical self-defense from Hapkido. I find a lot of the techniques very effective at stopping an attack very quickly (.. if successfully executed properly...). A lot of the techniques are bone-breaking and debilitating. I think they could be hard to apply in some cases... The joint locks are also great at controlling and restraining subjects. It's not a fighting art but I think it could be very useful for stopping the average attacker on the streets.
Thank you so much for the content you provide. Genuinely from the bottom of my heart. Cheers from SC, USA
Kravmakido is a mix of martial arts and therefore mma. You're already teaching it. So the obvious thing to do is name your gym The Kravmakido Fighting League.
That's not how that works.
@Brad Thomas a smoothie is just a bunch of stuff blended together. I like smoothies, but I'd never drink a kale, artichoke, mushroom, mayonnaise smoothie. If the components are bad or don't blend your mix won't be very good.
Hapkido mostly comes in two schools - one from Choi Yong Sool, and one from Ji Han Jae. Ji Han Jae uses a lot of kicks, sweeps, has a huge arsenal of kicks, and is somewhat like TKD with locks added.
The school from Choi seems to be more old school, kick are more like stomps, lots of knees, no real high kicks or sweeps, and is much more like Japanese ju jitsu.
However - neither of them really practise full contact ring sparring - BUT - some schools will do full contact 'reality based self defence'. So - in actual sparring, you're correct, they often won't be any good (lacking exposure to timing, distancing, feinting etc - all the things you need in sparring)
But - if the school is serious enough, then they ARE used to getting rough, taking pain, dealing with adrenaline, throwing solid single techniques, and specifically trained to deal with common street attacks (grabs, headbutts, the big right hand).
So then - it comes down to your belief if there is any value in RBSD training.
Source - I did HKD for years, and have done BJJ, MT etc...
I studied HKD for the year I was stationed in Korea under an instructor from Choi's line. He clearly knew his stuff, but his English was almost non - Existent (although better than my Korean). Trying to find something that is give me more explanation, I bought a huge encyclopedia which supposedly contained the whole HKD syllabus translated into English with illustrations. I showed it to a more senior classmate who warned me not to show it to our instructor. He told me about the two competing lineages and the fact that they HATE each other. Apparently Choi was the originator of the system. He brought in Ji Han Jae who then made major changes to the system, introducing all the wild and flashy jumping kicks. Choi died at a relatively young age before he was able to establish his style as the "correct" version of the art. The two sides have been hostile to each other ever since with Choi's disciples seeing Ji Han Jae as being an ungrateful, disloyal usurper.
Not entirely true...there are many styles of Hapkido...the Australian styles of Hapkido aren’t like those two styles. Maybe in American but in other countries in the world there Hapkido styles are different.
@@joshuaborazio7123 i'm not an expert on the subject, but my understanding is that while HKD has continued to subdivide into different styles, the two competing branches mentioned above are the original division and all the others proceed from one of those two lineages.
@@jamesdaniels1334 I'm in a lineage under GM Choi, and yes, the comments I've heard from my own masters (about 80 yo) are exactly in the way you're saying, and I guess you're talking about dr. Kimm's Hapkido book who's under Jae's lineage. Nevertheless, I've learned some of the fancy things (such as some usefull kicks and holds), and a lot of really practical self defense stuff.
It was a side not, but is important. A very athletic practitioner of a style could likely beat a wimpy practitioner of another style. Kabib Nurmagamedov, if restricted to aikido, fought against me, and I got to use jiujitsu, I probably wouldn't last long. He'd just make it work. If you give a trained marine corps sniper a flintlock musket, and put him against a near sighted civilian who never used a gun before, with the civilian armed with an M249 light machine gun, the marine would likely win. It doesn't mean muskets beat machine guns, but that the user matters.
An olympic gold medal wrestler against a full time accountant who tried muay Thai one Saturday night a week for 3 months would probably squash the "muay Thai fighter". That doesn't prove that muay Thai is garbage.
This is a problem of the style vs. style debate. It never controls for the practitioners' ability level.
yep that's what we martial artists (people who do not and will never do combat sports) say, "it is the artist, not the art." :)
Yep. It always comes down to the individual.
We probably need a whole lot of twinstudies - the twins are completely into the same environment, only train in different martial arts /combat sports and compete when around 30 years of age. Of course they are not allowed to exchange about their sports/arts before in their lifes... yeah well, I highly agree that the style vs style debate will NEVER be justified enough, for sure it won't be by science. And as long as it isn't scientifically proven, we are simply up to opinions.
It it will come down to the individual, but besides this I think that different styles match different persons better or worse, depending on strategies, physical abilities and also personal preferances (like maybe striking over grappling).
I own a traditional TKD school and have done martial arts since 1985. I'm impressed with your insight! I've always found the infighting and criticisms between styles to be ridiculous and unfortnate. As a TKD school alot of people assume you are just a sport school and a watered down belt factory. But if they knew their history, Won Kuk Lee the founder of Chung Do Kwan TKD(the oldest and original TKD school..Sept. 1944) actually earned his 3rd DAN black belt in Shotokan Karate under Gichin Funakoshi. Traditional TKD teaches self defense techniques, contact sparring etc., but alot of people just think of TKD as that Olympic nonsense. "There are no bad martial arts, only bad martial artist."
You are correct based on
When US Marines are not fighting the enemy they are fighting each other
With them have experienced they are smiling only
1. When standing next to their sweety and/or kids at the USMC Ball getting their photo taken
2. Meeting their mom after a long absence
3. Breaking something
4. Fighting when the odds are not in their favor.
Even in the 90s when peace reigned falling out of your truck onto a concrete driveway felt softer than a just completed training package
I studied TKD and Hapkido at the same time. After 15 years I started training in Muy Tai and Jujitsu. I am grateful for all. I have learned so much and still learning. I don't question the styles but try to absorb as much as I can from them. They all have so much to learn from.
Hapkido black belt here as well. My school actually has a mission statement that reads, “Martial Art, Not Sport.” We never sparred (officially), so many things we did never were tested under realistic conditions. Much of how we were taught was introduced in the context of some common realistic situations, and several masters emphasized using what works over the flashier spin kicks and jumping techniques. I’ve had my eyes gouged by the grandmaster, I’ve been thrown and dropped, kicked in the face, and left the dojang feeling broken in many ways. I really miss it.
I took Hapkido when I was in Highschool. It's a really fun style and luckily my mentor was also a boxer so he taught us how to spar quite well. Sadly he died years later. Not all Hapkido students have the same luck with having a teacher who actually makes you spar really hard.
I have only recently begun to train in Hapkido. I've previously trained in Shorei Ryu Karate, Muay Thai, and BJJ primarily. I've also dabbled with other arts including Shotokan, Wing Chun, Krav Maga, Systema.
I've worked in Law Enforcement and Tactical Security. When trying to decide if I wanted to continue in arts I was already familiar with, or if I wanted to try something new, I started to think critically about the situations in real life where I've had to go hands on with someone. I realized that in all real life encounters, not once did I ever kick or strike anyone. In each and every case I had to get control and compliance of the aggressor.
When I realized that, I asked myself if that was the case, why was I studying strike based martial arts? I needed something more grappling based. Likewise, not once have I ever used any of the Jiu Jitsu I learned. For those reasons I've decided to give Hapkido a try.
Helpful video. Thanks, Ramsey!
As always, great video with a respectful and thorough breakdown. Keep up the great content, Sir.
What do you think of kajunkenbo
as a hapkido practitioner i really liked this video. As you said (like with all martial arts) there are many "McDojos" out there but there are also really good schools that train effectively, spar etc. Hapkido has many "demo skills" that teach you many things, but as my instructor alwayd says: This is demo style/this is self defense style. Anyway, good video as always
It's difficult to "spar" in hapkido in the lower belts because the techniques can really do serious damage if done at full force or if a lower belt hasn't learned control.
I like your strong perspective where you dont straight up dismiss any art but say it all depends on the person and honesty. Youre a great instructor.
Thanks for your answer, I appreciate it and I learned something as I was hoping to. You are awesome.
"Similarities in technique result from the fact that all of these arts share common roots (see previous genealogy charts). Hapkido and taekwondo share a common ancestry through native Korean kicking arts. Hapkido, Aikido, and Judo share a common ancestry through Aiki-Jujutsu and Yawara (ancient Jujutsu)." - Marc Tedeschi, Hapkido 2000
jujitsu came long before judo
Hapkido is a self defense art. Taekwondo is Korean is geared towards sport and self defense. You must have approval from Korea to teach Hapkido and Black belt and above must teach as is required by there governing body. You can only teach legally with there stamp and approval. Every art have idiots with false creditials and flashy come to my class demonstration so I can teach you bull,and take your $
The specific mortal kombat you're probably thinking of is Deadly Alliance, a PlayStation 2 game
Hapkido and Aikido were formed during same time frame. Both were heavily influenced by Daito ryu aikijujutsu
This has got to be the single best martial arts style commentary I have ever heard, period!
I studied under Bong Soo Han for 4 years back in the 70's, I would NOT have wanted to face him in a fight!
I think it depends a great deal on the instructors and the students.
Yeah bong soo han was badass also he did the stunts in Billy jack
@@guillermoletsworkitout3522 I knew he was in the Billy Jack movies, he later made a movie named "Kill the Golden Goose" with a big karate guy back then named Ed Parker when I was attending his class, he took us to the premier of it. But, while the fight scenes in it were good, I will have to admit, he was NOT a very good actor.
I always laugh when I see someone shake off a spinning heel kick to their jaw in the movies. I would hold a mitt for Master Han to do that kick on. He would knock me to the floor just hitting my hand! Every time.
Good morning, Coach, I hope you'll have a fantastic lunch! :-)
Hapkido served me well for nearly a decade as a bouncer.
You're on point with your analysis of Hapkido being a blend of Teakwando and Aikido, but also Judo and Jujitsu. I've been studying for 17 years and teaching for 12. Absolutely love it, my experiences, the competitions we've done in Seoul South Korea, the family and brotherhood I've grown in it as well as my students and the amazing improvements its done in all of our lives.
Its given me a huge advantage in my film career as well, because I was well versed in Fighting, distance, falling etc so I naturally fell into fight Choreography, teaching safe falling for actors, getting into stunts etc on sets.
Anyway, as you said, it's a VAST amount of bs I've seen in my years of this martial art as well as any other, but also some people who've used it in real life situations to come out Victorious. Two examples being my instructors; one is a cop a cop and one is military. I've only heard stories about various uses of it in the cops life but actually saw video of my buddy who is military using it to defend himself against four guys. He was pretty banged up, but this is not a movie where the hero comes out looking Flawless. He took his fair share of damage but left two of them unconscious while the other two were grabbed by the crowd. On the flip, I remember a guy who trained just long enough to get his Blackbelt and then we never saw him again smh heard he left to do his own teaching after only being a blackbelt for a day.....ridiculous. Definitely have to watch out for phony instructors and them ripping you off and feeding you bs and false confidence.
Anyway, I'm reminiscing now haha I love that you did this video brother. Thank you very much and keep up the great work.
I have studied Shotokan, Kyokushin, San Soo, and Wing Chun; as well as Hapkido. Hapkido came to be the best art for me working in law enforcement. However, my instructor made it clear that no one single martial art is perfect and will work in every situation.
Back in the day, my Korean karate instructor had a friend from Korea who visited who was a high ranked hapkido practitioner. Honestly, I don't know if it's me or if things have changed, but I found him, and especially my karate instructor, to be very tough, fast and able fighters.
Brilliant video!!
I'm so pleased that you said Hapkido was not Bullshido as it teaches useful techniques. Unfortunately, a lot of coaches in every art or sports combat discipline are not the best at teaching 'how' and 'when" to use them. The style itself is like a tool box, but it comes down to the instructor and training methods how they're used.
I practiced Hapkido for years, and it provided me a great base to transition to MMA. While I admit a number of wristlocks into throws were more flashy than practical, a number of local police also trained there and they found many techniques to be very reliable in confrontations.
I used the hapki step or tenkan (for all you akido peeps) in a number of encounters and found that to be very effective vs an overaggressive attacker on multiple occasions. That's just a basic movement.
Now in the ring where people are looking to score points and are in much better control of their aggression, and are likely to understand the basics of footwork. Then, yes the generalized nature of Hapkido looks weaker against a specialist since we don't focus on striking, or grappling, or clinch work, or wrestling exclusively.
My instructor also encouraged us to train in other styles, like boxing and judo in my case, to improve our weaknesses.
Hapkido black belt and former beat cop. And I can confirm.
exactley,,,,,,, most police forces and army, marine, israel etc hand to hand combat utilize training from Hapkido
your wrist grab will work against the moron at the bar that just grabbed you, however, in a standing fighting match with punches being thrown, you would utilize your blocks and low kicks etc, every tool cannot be used in every situatiion
I was one of the flashy Hapkido demo people. It was wildly fun. I was a black belt and a beat cop. It served me well in the street. I never did a flying super dragon 720 backflip kick, but I did a lot of standing wrist manipulation techniques. Its a great lifelong style for what it is.
So, what do you think about the current popular idea that the wrist and joint locks, while sometimes effective, aren't very reliable? And, how cops and military are now learning more jiujitsu and judo because they have been found to be more reliable in more situations than something like joint locks.
I am a retired police officer, for over 30 years. I have been studying Hapkido, Judo , and boxing since I was 12 years old.. today I’m 71 years of age. I tell my friends and my students, I didn’t join it I married it. I work hard at studying and training.. I loved Hapkido because it has so many techniques to offer.
I also blend it in the western style boxing and wing Chung style combined, I practice on trapping and Elbow strikes almost on rapid fire. Believe it or not, I found it blended in really well with western techniques even with just inches away from the flash . I felt by mixing some of the styles I would get even a better understanding of creating great fighting techniques and here comes reality. And no, I never followed the philosophy of the stances, other than Hapkido and judo and boxing.
I am very thankful that I studied mixed martial arts. But I can tell you this, Hapkido and the experience training that I developed has been a major plus.. in those years as a Law Enforcement officer, I have been in many actual combats, Hand to hand and many times all alone. As a police officer, I try not to use any boxing or elbows on my opponents.. although sometimes I could not promise that. Due to my Hapkido experience, I always came out on top. And even when I was out of uniform, living a normal life, I had quite a few battles. I didn’t spend very much time in a ring, but I spent lots of time in real physical combat. When I hear these people on TV advertising don’t study martial arts it could get you killed.. I think they are an idiot. I can’t count the fights because of so many but martial arts, such as Hapkido and judo saved my butt many times.. I even had to confront more than one opponent on many occasions, and I was able to subdue the situation alone. I worked hard and had lots of confidence in my self because of that-training. Hapkido is wonderful, but also blending boxing and judo into the system which I learned a lot.. at 71 years old I still in great physical and muscular condition, and still teaching physically. It’s true and remember it’s how you study and train for physical defense that makes all the difference in the world…the belt does not matter.. it’s your hard work and reality training that makes you a winner. God bless all the martial artist, staying righteous, and being able to practice properly and effective.. also staying in shape as I have all of these years, counts for your success.
Chuck Wayne
You sound like my sensi in Japanese Jiu Jitsu Retired PD. which is now under the umbrella of a Hapkido orginization (Very supportive). As an slightly younger, stiffer, and probably not as good looking old fart have boiled it down to three objectives
1. Lynyrd Skynyrd Helps me give her three steps toward the door
2. Arnold. Helps her Get to the Choppa
3. Flag System
a. Yellow. DeEsclate with Rodney Dangerfield approach
b. Orange. DeEsclate Too long outside of the wire 1000yd stare
c. Red. Protect the much more attractive female partner by enabling her to achieve steps 1 & 2
This was a very intelligent perspective.
Thanks.
Im a green belt in Hapkido. I also do MMA training Ive used some kicks and grappling from Hapkido in MMA sparring. But thats about it
How many times a week you have sparring?? I have twice a week, wednesday is like taekwondo and on friday more like MMA
Greetings from another green belt
As a 1st degree Hapkido practitioner who took part in those demos, I was kinda hesitant to click on this video.
Yes, demonstrations are filled to the brim with flashy moves you'd never see in a real life situation. Think of it like a martial arts movie; it'd be very boring to the average viewer if everything was realistic and damn near nobody would sign up for the classes. I'm not sure why everyone expects every martial arts school to be held to a standard of "everyone there needs to be an elite fighter, or the whole place is BS." Like how many places out there actually have an entire school of top notch fighters?
As for the style itself, I enjoy it quite a bit. I'd say it's a great starting point if you haven't done martial arts since it touches on a little bit of everything. From there you can decide which aspects you want to explore or work on more and find another style more focused on that.
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Renzo Gracie academy, 10th planet Santa Monica.
Great summary! I like Hapkido too for this specific thing too; it touches so many domains of martial arts. It teaches you a good set of basics.
Also, my trainer never said we would be fighters after a certain color belt or we could use it for self-defense. It's just not that, end.
I must say I find it hard to actually see how sparring would take place with Hapkido. It's such a mixture of everything.
People seem to forget or not grasp the demonstrations are just that. Demonstrations. It's where the coolest and flashiest in most awe inspiring techniques tend to be used. It's a martial arts school sales pitch. Nothing more. I tell people when you go see a demo understand that this is most likely just their demonstration techniques, not the practical real world techniques. Though I've always tried to make any demos I've ever done contain as many practical and realistic techniques as possible. But of course students do what it takes to sell the technique because they wanna look cool. Especially if they have friends and family watching. But any HKD practitioner knows the reality between a demo and the studio. You tend to walk out of the studio aching and in pain every night. As the techniques get more and more painful and aggressive as you go. And as you walk out the door you're excited for tomorrow almost wishing you can stay later.
I took Taekwondo as a kid. Our instructor added Hapkido, Judo and Jiu Jitsu so we would not get our asses kicked on the ground.
This was the late 80s/early 90s so in a way it was kind of like MMA before it became super popular.
You are very entertaining thank you. I enjoy your videos.
My neighbor did Hapkido at one point. I'm not sure what rank he was. He showed me a couple submissions and they were legit. IMO, training against resisting opponents, realistic sparring, is more important than the style itself. I used to look down on TMAs and was really cocky, but the more I went down that rabbit hole, the more I found practical things. JJJ, Judo, and Hapkido really pique my interest on the grappling side of things.
Hello Mr. Dewey! From one Grappling style to another. I get more and more in love with Catch as catch can but in Cologne Germany I ""only" found a Luta Livre (Andyconda is the headcoach and can be found here on TH-cam) and a BJJ school. What do you Think are differences?
THX for an Answer
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Look up their history. It's very interesting. They grew side by side in competition with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but also borrowed strongly from wrestling. You will find many similarities.
I do BJJ, but we steal and practice techniques from all sorts of forms of submission grappling. There’s a point where it just doesn’t matter. Go to one and go to the open mats of the others! Learn both! Submission grappling is submission grappling. I prefer BJJ because basically nothing is barred from our gym except scissor takedowns and neck cranks, so at my gym we can use Sambo leg locks, catch takedowns and submissions, and judo throws (hypothetically- I suck at a lot of the things I just mentioned).
I used to assume Judo would be useless. Then I seen some of their throws and imagined landing on hard pavment. Even landing on dirt from some of them should at least potentially knock the wind out of somebody. I doubt it's gonna be the end all be all for every situation. But I do think it could have its uses for somebody thats reasonably skilled.
I train MMA with an old school style coach (boxing, mauy Thai, wrestling and BJJ).
I signed up at a dojo near my house that, amongst other styles, offered judo. To quote my favourite TV show: "it was like someone added a whole new Swing set to my favourite playground."
Wrestling typically attacks the waist down, while judo typically attacks the upper body. It opened up half of my opponents body to attack.
@@darrylviljoen6227 most "judo throws" are present in wrestling. It's pretty much Greco with a gi. Cormier uses a lot of judo techniques because it isn't as different from wrestling as people think. The biggest difference is the gi and it has a lot of submissions that you find in BJJ
@@mpforeverunlimited well, that is no surprise, since Judo comes from Jujutsu, and guess where BJJ comes from. (also from Judo)
Except for the hip throws, I think most of judo’s nastier throws depend on the other guy wearing a jacket of some sort 🤷🏻♂️
@@seanhatton4013 well, most people wear clothing, many techniques are done on either the sleeve or the Gi, but if your skills are good enough, you could do those on normal clothing, or even by grabbing the wrist.
A caring grandfather style explanation, i like it!
Hapkido was the first martial art I ever took (when I was a teenager). I liked it, but in retrospect, the studio I attended was a bit of a Mcdojo as I would get belt promotions quite often in a short period of time. And...that’s it. The end?
It kind of reminds me of catch wrestling as far as throws go
Hey Mr Ramsey, so refreshing to hear someone not bag Hapkido. Thank you. I am a 2nd Dan black belt in Hapkido & have also studied pressure point theory for some time. After testing for my black belt I also started training BJJ, as I was well aware that I needed to be well rounded in my martial training. Like you, my outlook is the same as yours in that I respect all styles and acknowledge that every style has something to offer if we apply the philosophy of Bruce Lee “apply what is useful, discard what is not and make it your own”. For me, the techniques have to work, otherwise why learn it? I’ve seen the “my art can bear your art” videos & and the common theme is that all the tradicional “instructors” were hacks at best.......they aren’t a true indication of the arts that were challenged. One thing I love about traditional styles is the set of core values that are taught. Unfortunately in the modern martial arts world, people have lost sight of this. Part of the issue here IMHO is that training centres are no longer dojangs/dojos/Kwoons......but are just gyms......a place to train, yes....but none of the values of the old masters are taught. The core values, like mutual respect, honour, discipline, indomitable spirit et.c. Just my thoughts. Once again Mr Ramsey, thank you & I hope one day we can train together & exchange ideas, techniques & philosophies on martial arts & life,
Peace,
G
I think one thing that is important to remember before judging TMA is that at one point in time that stuff actually worked, it's probably just been diluted over time and the meaning of it all has changed.
Hapkido dates all the way back to 1959. Most TMA’s are less than 100 years old. Most of them are modern attempts to reinvent the wheel. Contrast that with the ancient combat sports (Eg: wrestling, boxing) that have persisted for thousands of years.
@@RamseyDewey That's a good point. I'm just saying that those TMA had to come from somewhere and usually have roots in legit stuff. Korea's though are a bit of an outlier since a lot of their martial arts and martial art historical texts were destroyed by the Japanese.
What are your thoughts on swimming as a replacement for old-school roadwork? Wouldnt that be better since its less taxing on the joints.
Why not both? I do both...My relationship with running is bittersweet but I still keep up with it whereas I love swimming
You’d probably be shocked and appalled at my opinion on roadwork and other long slow distance endurance training for combat sports athletes.
@@RamseyDewey Sounds like an interesting topic for a video!🙃🙏
i studied it, i feel in certain situations works.
thanks bro!!
I studied HKD for a while. Wrist grabs are one of the things most martial artists point out as being not realistic, but I still felt I learned some good self defense techniques, escorts, joint locks, some ground grappling work, striking, kicking, etc. I think it is a good option if you want to learn a fairly well rounded system. I wished there were HKD tournaments, but an accidental spiral wrist fracture is something you would not recover well from. I've started BJJ and that has changed how I would respond to a fight situation. Still love HKD....
Hapkido is ok ,you never hear of hapkido practicer down grading combat sports, the ground fighting is decent (not as good bjj) and jackie chan practiced it
tbh. Jackie practiced in most better known martial arts and fit the resulted learning to his movies. Not saying it would not be good, just saying Jackie is not an indication of how good it would be for straight up fighting since that never really was his focus.
Im a hapkido green belt and at my school the ground techniques are teached by 2 BJJ guys
Well said. As a mixed martial art, it’s brilliant , but of course you won’t beat a wrestler in a wrestling match. But you should beat him in a fight if you’re any good.
Jackie chan can spot a bullshido when he sees one. Therefore his opinion actually matters due to his years of experience and Chinese cultural upbringing. He have common sense to know what's effective and whats not.. As busy as he is, he will never waste his time on something like hapkido if nothing wroth in learning from hapkido. But since he is not a professional fighter, his main objective is ofcouse different. Again just want to say, don't assume just because he is a action movie star he don't know anything and have no say in martial arts. For some younger generations that might not understand Jackie chan, he practice Chinese martial arts fundamentals, mainly flexibility techniques and weaponry when he was still a kid. He train as a fighting stuntman be in shape do those fighting moves his entire life. The amount of hrs he put in and the amount of hits he give and took is more than enough to qualify him as a fighter. Back then no slow motion moves, all fighting needs to be as real as fast as possible. Especially Hongkong 🎥 that always rush and trying save money on thr equipment. He is literally risking his life 24/7 does daredevil stunts, take punishment and train his endurance, stamina, concentration and agility nonstop. I'm just want to point out this, be humble toward action movie stars, especially those classic era where they don't relayed on slow motion capture and CGR, stunt fighting scene replacement.
BJJ better be the best on the ground if it is pretty much all they do! Skilled Hapkido practitioners tend to avoid drawing attention to themselves since that is one of the main functions of Hapkido's design. They're basically the black ops of the MA community; if they are good, they will neutralize an attacker and no one else will be the wiser.
4:11 My understanding is that the founder of Hapkido learned Aikijujutsu from the same guy(Takeda Sōkaku) as the founder of Aikido.
Facts!!!
It's claimed that Choi Yong-Sool's name is not in Takeda's bookkeeping. Even if Choi learnt from Takeda, the latter actually taught about 30,000 people; how many of those actually learnt anything?
This is the legend. And I emphasize legend because it can't be proven. It's a claim by a man who did live in the patriarch of DRAJJs household did make. Are people who deny it and unfortunately between the he said she said we go with this based upon legend. But when The credited founder of Hapkido, Choi Yong Sul was said to have been training there, he wasn't just training there. The story is at about 6 to 7 years old he was taken there to be a house servant. He supposedly lived there his entire life until after his Master died. So no matter what people say, he had to have learned something somewhere somehow someway by someone. But after his master died he went back to Korea what he claimed to be teaching and doing was actually something he called Yarhwa (sp).
Great conversation & I too have had familiar training in Hapkido through TKD. Furthermore, I am experiencing with the wrist lock defenses to use in BJJ & MMA with some success. Pressure test some the techniques & utilize what works.
I dig this types of videos. I'm a Jujitsu practitioner that enjoys training/learning of other martial arts and haven't heard of Hapkito before.
I did Sundo the Hapkido side of Yoga after an illness and it was fantastic for health, cardio, flexibility and meditation.
Better than yoga.
The view there was for Hapkido a Black belt was the beginning..
Like an apprentice after 4 years is not a master builder.
A talented Grappler at White or Blue with 6 months of Grappling and Sparring would be better.
Some of the grappling moves looked very "risky"
But I'd grade Sundo above Yoga.
Master Kim via Sundo at 92 was incredibly fit.
But I'd recommend the Sundo side of Hapkido .
My kicks including Thai style were never better after Sundo.
Has anyone here ever heard of Chang's Hapkido Academy (Wol Ge Kwan Hapkido)?
There are two or three locations in the US and a few locations in the UK.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think it's a legit, non-McDojo school.
The whole academy is run by Grandmaster Gedo Chang (who happens to be longtime friends with my great grandfather).
His hapkido school was one of my first exposures to martial arts (but of course, I've moved on since then)
GM GeDo Chang is a Legit Hapkido master
My Sensei Trained with one of Choi top American Student the Stlye now has no official head
The only way to see if a style is real ? Test it with some resistance to technique after you ha e learned the technique correctly that is what we do .
I am a yellow belt at the Lombard Dojang.
I took Combat Hapkido, for 2 years, got a brown belt...moved and tried a new school, turns out there are two styles, this school was Korean Hapkido, they like to kick real high, do a bunch of tae kwon do movments, and gymnastics, really. The American based Combat Hapkido was very "practical", it seemed semi effective at the time, mid 90's. We spent a lot of time perfecting joint manipulation from various grabs and holds, punching was isolated to strait jabs, kicks were all below the waist, save for a round house to the lower ribs or front kick to the sturnum, the kicks were supposed to be painful distractions to allow for joint locks to be performed easier. I related it more like traditional jujitsu and aikido mixed, sort of. I never did grappling or acrobatic moves of any kind.
The philosophy was circular movement, getting out of the strike zone while breaking away, or locking a joint to a counter strike, lock or break.
I don't think it was b.s., just limited in application, although as a Marine later on, I found myself utilizing some of the basic concepts in some "situations", and it still comes out today..it was a nice introduction to martial concepts, I am now persuing mma, specifically bjj and kickboxing..seems the most useful and practical to me at this point. Thanks.
Hapkido has never really been unified, most of the time teachers just did whatever they wanted, so to say there is only two styles is an understatement. Maybe there are two main styles that people widely recognize, but most schools don't answer to anyone other than themselves.
I don't care much for MMA and have a passing interest in martial arts, yet I always click when I see Ramsey Dewey videos.
I can see where it could possibly be used to stop an attack before it starts...as long you are willing to make the first move...
Krav Makido-Ving is my favorite style :D
Only from the South Eastern Province.
Ving?
@@gmillerjr193 Alternate spelling of "Wing," as in "wing chun."
Hehehee. Man I love this video. I gotta try out Krav Makido💪💪🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man you're the best keep up the great work.
I am very interested in training the martial art of *kravmakido*, do you know where I might find a gym to train in this powerful martial art? 😂
With due respect, hapkido is thought to be coined as a term in 1944 by young sul choi, some opinions differ. Tae kwon do was formulated in 1955. Both styles are thought to gain their kicking techniques from taekkyon. Aikido and hapkido look similar because both founders were students of daito ryu aikijutsu under Sokaku Takeda. Ueshiba founded aikido and Choi found Hapkiyusul, later termed hapkido. The two arts could be equated to cousins, if you will. As for application, I have been training since I was 10. In my humble opinion, all arts will change based on the wielder. Like you said, it depends on the person. Everyone can be given a wrench, but not everyone knows how to use the wrench. You have to understand how to use the tools you are given. Also, what is considered fighting? Some consider a "match" a fight, but that's not reality, because reality doesnt have rules. I feel the answer people are looking for cannot be properly answered because the applications may change. What I can say is there is a reason Tukkong Moosool and hapkido (essentially the same, with tukkong being more militaristic and rigid) is taught to Korean special forces. I would tell people seek out the art that resonates with you, not the art that someone deems "bullshido" or not. Great video sir and well stated!
Hapkido is a study os aki-jujitsu. There are two other similar Korean martial arts that are similar; Kuk Sool won and harangue-do. I studied taekwondo for seven years and a black belt, and Kuk Sool won for another seven. I took it very seriously because I loved it.
Thank you so much for this!!!! I feel you thoroughly and logically answered the question. The main thing is pointing out that everyone trains for different reasons. There are some people that only want to casually train. There are people that are serious about it and can actually do it in a fight. Pure technique is the best way to go for the most efficient way to actually use in a fight.
Love your response, and 100% agree with you.
I think it's also important to keep in mind, (especially in traditional martial arts) there are other aspects beyond just fighting application: combo creation (even without combat application), forms (poomsae's, kata, etc.), and flow drills to name a few.
So even if what you practice has a hard time of applying in a non-cooperative scenario, there are still plenty of aspects that make it worth learning. To an extent, I think that everyone who chooses to train and continue to train in Martial Arts, is doing it because they find it fun.
*TL;DR: it's "Art", self-expression.*
In defense of the dragontail sweep... It can be used efectively under VERY specific situations... Ive used it against spinning kicks(they are spining and on one foot, anything would drop them, the cool factor is just a plus) ive also seen a sipalki guy land 4 of those in a single fight (ruleset was basically almost the same sanda + up to one strike on the floor... Also, technically you could do jointlocks but they stand you up if you dobt attack inmediatly)
I studied HKD for 7 years. Like any other MA, there is legit and there is “bullshito”. My former school is nationally recognized for training police, security and military personnel, I’ve met some those guys who studied HKD for supplemental training. So, there must be something to it. My instructors, by their own admission, said that HKD is not a standalone art, that when one goes to a HKD school it’s actually a blend of styles.
Personally, if you go to a school/academy that’s legit, I think one could learn a lot. But like many other styles, you’d be better off learning HKD in conjunction with something more practical like boxing if you’re looking for self-defense application.
And it’s difficult to “spar” in a style that focuses on crippling opponents by dislocating joints
etc., which is probably why you don’t see it being used in competitions. Just my $0.02, thanks.
I used to do hkd when I was younger I made it to red belt and I agree, it was alot more focused on disabling someone then actually fighting per say. From what I remember the most effect things we did couldn't be used in the ring. Just my 2 cents from and memories over 2 decades ago lol.
The founder of Aikido and the founder in Hapkido, both studied Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu. Both styles were inspired by it.
Gah I love that you don't dismiss TMA as a whole, but have a well informed and thoughtful view on martial arts :)
When I was deciding what art to take up and really go after, I had a few options but was really looking for as complete an art as I could find given my limited options. I don’t come from a huge urban center so I had to make do with what’s available on a local scale. We have the standard offering that’s available everywhere for the most part. Knowing that I’m not ever going to be “world class” or a “tourney champ” I was looking to be able to competently defend myself against an average opponent. Hapkido offers striking, throws, joint locks and manipulations and some level of ground fighting. All in all, it gave me the most mileage for my money. That’s not to say that a decent Bjj guy with a solid year under his belt would be better or worse or a Muay Thai fighter wouldn’t have better striking but they tend to have holes in their game. Not much standup striking in Bjj locally, I find that to be hole. No ground work in some of the other schools, a spinning heel kick is no good flat on your back, I found that to be a hole also. Hapkido gave at least some instruction for the major spots you’ll find yourself in a defence scenario. All I can speak to is my own experience but I’m sure someone will be along shortly to point out all the places my personal opinions are wrong, this is the comment section after all.
Dave McNeill It is a TH-cam comment section, and because of that, you shall now taste the fiery fury of my thoroughly inane and mindless negative comment! Just kidding, I liked your comment. Take care!
Not at all. you might be surprised how many people agree with you! I too did the full contact route? So you might be guessing what was wrong? AS far as I could judge, only that we didn't engage in ground fighting, if you need to finish somebody off, but what we practiced, came from battle with weapons.
Man I dunno I spent my youth studying Joypad Fu and it never got me anywhere in a real fight :( Was a badass with Ryu though ;)
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I've done it since I was 5 I'm 41 now come by I'll show you some things and thank you for the awesome video
I am by far not as gifted or as well trained as many martial artrists but have been involved in the martial arts since I was 13 growing up in Stockton, Ca. Where I began to learn some martial arts by watching my brother and his friends who were what I call today (educated street fighters) My brother was a thin dude with long hair and beard and stood 6'4 & 1/2 and could kick me in the chin and rechamber before I could defend. Pete Delrango was maybe 5 foot tall and could throw multiple insane kicks at full power and was rumored to have fought Ron Marchini's brother in Lincoln park and left footprints all over him as the place was muddy. These guy's were the real deal. Ron Marchini had the title of world champion at the time. I met Grandmaster Han Young Choi who was the direct student of Chong In Mok making grandmaster a second generation student of Takeda Doju and Kuk Sool Won's Grandmaster In Hyuk Soo trained with grandmaster Choi as they were childhood friends. And yes I have been teaching for quite some time now and the most important thing for me is the confidence kids receive from training in martial arts. Some kids will learn immediately and others another story. We used to require a certain standard of training for promotion. Today we still promote rank when a child is dedicated and will never be a TKD National Champion in their sport but have dedicated their time and effort. These may never have great fighting ability but have earned rank on other merits. This is why we see so many black belts with ugly techniques in my opinion. For myself personally. The simplest techniques practiced well thousands of times with the mind not restricting the possibilities have been what worked on the streets back in the day. I do believe that any type of real combat sport is beneficial to our everyday life as I only weighed 125 when I would hitch hike all over Stockton. Figure it out! MMA fighters train like animals 3-6 hours a day 5-6 days a week. Most traditional martial artists train 1-2 hours twice a week nowadays. thats 1300 hrs in a year to 144 hours per year. Perhaps alot of war tested martial arts would look better or be more effective if practiced with the same intensity.
Hapkido, as far as I know, is basically karate + Japanese Jujitsu + aikido. Not a terrible combination.
One of the best examples of (real) Hapkido is the park fight scene in the movie Billy Jack. Choreographed by former S. Korean special forces officer and Hapkido master Han Bong Soo. Back in the 60's when this movie was made, Hapkido techniques were in fact the primary hand to hand techniques taught to the Green Barets and S.Korean special forces. Much of it is still taught.
The commentator is correct that these days there's more Hakido taught in USA than Korea. However, that's only because a lot of US schools claim to teach Hapkido (in addition to other) when in fact what they teach is some half-ass mix of Taekwondo and some Judo or Aikido.
Hapkido is difficult and not meant as a combative sport. It's meant for military. Civilian programs are diluted with the most dangerous (and frankly, simple) techniques not taught or only taught at Black belt level.
Take a look at the clip of the park scene, or The trial of Billy Jack where Master Han is in the movie and gets to show his stuff a bit. He also worked as a consultant on a number of action films in the 70's and 80's in addition to teaching the FBI and Secret Service.
the only real thing in the scene,outside of the kicks, is how he gets hit on the head, grabbed, and the shit beat out of him
I trained with Master Han, and he was both a great instructor and a great man. One of the fellows I trained with there, a student named Mike Katleman subdued a riot on a film shoot in France singlehandedly. This whole discussion makes me ill.
It’s Bong Soo Han! Not only did he choreograph the park screen In Billy Jack he was actually the person doing the fighting in the park scene and was dressed as BillyJack. If you slow the movie or pause in different spots you can clearly see it was Master Han.👍✌️
Hapkido was the first martial art I learned and the only Eastern one. I train boxing and Catch Wrestling now but Hapkido gave me a good feel for martial arts, there's footwork and punching from a more boxing stance, all the classic kicks like front side and roundhouse as well as spinning stuff. There were also Judo hip tosses and weapons.
At the end of the day, it all depends on the practitioner and how he/she trains, how hard and how diligently. Very well balanced outlook of this guy.
I've been practicing Hapkido for 30 years (5th dan). You're description of Hapkido and martial arts in general is bang on. Real hapkido for self defense is sloppy and messy. You need qualified instructors and students who want to mix it up in order for the art to be effective for self defense versus the casual hobbyist who is doing it because its fun, interesting and good for fitness. One thing I will correct you on, hapkido is very popular in South Korea, there are many schools there but most of the 1st generation masters (grand masters) have moved to the United States decades ago.
I believe a person has to mix any martial arts up to get the best out of it and best to have more than 1 art under there belt and think a little out the box 👌👌👌
Mortal kombat deadly aliance , deception and armagedon those were scorpion use hapkido despite being japanese and sub zero use shotokan karate despite being chinise that never make sence to me either
Ramsey: well said that someone exists in every style who obsesses and makes the style work. Being real and facing the truth about what one does is essential.
Hello Ramsey, thank you for your amazing videos, you do great job. I enjoy listening to you while at work, which keeps me motivated to not skipping training after the mentally exhausting office hours. I would like to ask your opinion on the Philippino kick-boxing style Yawn-Yan. It looks very similar to Muay Thai to me, but I am interesting in your opion about its focus on spinning and hammer punches.
All the best, get out there and train.