Man!! I can't believe JP built all this himself! I'm mind blown! Congrats!!! Also, That pyro pass looks absolutely amazing! Can't wait to see how you guys did it!! ❤❤
Excellent discussion about moco. You’re doing such a service for the community of spfx artists. Truly appreciate the two of you and thank you for the inspiration. Off I go to put the finishing touches on my launchpad miniature. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Man your Channel is so underrated but the content is so good. I Share this for Sure 💯 Wish i had 10% of your Gear and Studio space 💯 Greetings from Germany 🙌
How crazy, I was thinking about InCamera all day coincidentally and ironically, last week I shot my first motion control music video. Now I can't wait to get home to watch this video!!
This is exactly the kind of video I've been looking for. Thank you! I've got a full Edelkrone setup, and you're right. There are only so many axes you can control. It's designed around the idea of simplifying complex camera moves, but doesn't include moving a prop or a light (although there are ways you can sort of fudge it). I also have the RGKit Play motion control system which is designed around creating motion for props and displays, as well as limited camera motion (their system only supports five motors so you need to pick and choose). I would love these systems to talk to one another (as well as my old Cinetics moco motors). I thought Dragonframe would offer that, and it does... kind of. I was hoping all of this could be orchestrated for real time moves, but it appears that it can only move all these motors in a shoot-move-shoot scheme. I'm not complaining - that's an amazing ability. I realize that the streamlining of the Edelkrone and the RGKit Play systems to be ready-to-run is going to limit options. There's still a lot of work I can do with both systems before making the jump into a higher end system that's going to take more oomph to get going. I hope I'm wrong, and there's some brilliant way to get all this gear to play nice for real time shots. This channel has been very inspiring to get me to push past those limits and try new things - thigns I've been wanting to try for 30 years. :) Thanks for that, and keep up the superlative work!
Great video as always, guys! I have a really old Kessler motion control slider system, but it really doesn't do great with repeatable motion. This has certainly made me want to dive in and look for something newer and better.
I really love the stuff you guys put out, didn't realize DragonFrame had a 32 channel control box that's pretty fantastic. It's definitely got me wondering what I could get up to at my budget range, which is surely a lot lower to the ground than yours. Thanks for this! Love the 3 axis actuator platform especially that thing looks like a blast
On the Kessler motors, did you set the “Steps Per Unit” to 200/“rot” on each motor axis? It was something that was left out of the tutorial and really helps the motors perform correctly with Df.
That's great to know. In the end we found doing a hard reset of all motors and connecting the rail motor to DF first solved the problem! A weird solution so it's good to know there's a particular setting that might be the best answer. Thanks! 👍
Have you guys had trouble finding a computer that’ll connect via USB to your Cineshooter head? I have 3 Macs and only 1 will mount the Cineshooter on the desktop. Makes Dragonframe use a bit of a pain as it’s the most expensive and powerful Mac Studio that’s required for it even though a Mac Mini would have been adequate. That aside, I love the enthusiasm and verve you guys have. Ben
yea, been dipping my toes into the world of Unreal engine for both video and stage production, there are so many possibilities its hard to find what path to take
Oooh! I see a landspanker bomber! Lovely! I do hope you're going to pay attention to what they sound like, cos, generic multiprop willn't work. The called them engines Merlins cos they sound magic. Probably. Well, after the bird, really, I'd guess, but quadrumerlins is the sound god had in mind when he made the world. In the story, anyhoo. ... You set it on fire?! That's treason! Sedition! People who set fire to landspankers are the baddies! I am appalled! No, worse than that, I am THE palled! On the other hand, loads of cool robots.... I'm kinda thinking that modelling work is going to come back in style in a big way - just one of the reasons I'm subbed, because, I reckon, it's taken twenty five years or so for 'The Industry' to work out CGI is just a tool and like all tools it is amazingly specific in what it should be used for. Hollywood's quarter billion movie picture shows seem to cost that much mainly because they are forcing CGI to do things other options would be better for. Pretty sure I could give you guys, say, two million squid and a more or less decent script and you could pop out a decent 90 minute picture. if you have a heist, a car chase, some cool gun fights, a snarky lead and one or two femmes fatal and, given the state of cinema today, you'd make a fricken fortune. I can't give you guys two million squid, obviously, I'd have trouble giving you guys two pints. Just wanna make that clear. I mean hypothetically. Possibly hypnothetically. Soon as I stop writing this I have to go back to work.
I'm interested in doing a whole diy camera rig and mover, would it help if its just all diy with the dragonframe box? Thanks! Would go motion be possible? Thanks!
All DIY can definitely work, and DF offers 'go-motiin' 👍 Just be aware that if you're shooting anything on blue/green screen it's safer to shoot without go-motion as the blur it creates makes keying very difficult. You can always add blur in post if this is the case.
What you are doing is not too far off from what Stanley Kubrick did in "2001: A Space Odyssey" Except, they use stepper Motors AND SIMPLE TIMERS to get their shots.
@@InCameraTV suppose so. I do wonder what the unit cost would be for a small rocker mover (like what ILM used a lot, thinking the BTTF Time train rig as an example, only smaller in scale) attached to a turntable. I wonder if such a product would encourage more small scale miniature use, though admittedly for all I know that could be a 15k usd minimum product depending on its weight capacity and move speed. Maybe more. Alas.
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Man!! I can't believe JP built all this himself! I'm mind blown! Congrats!!! Also, That pyro pass looks absolutely amazing! Can't wait to see how you guys did it!! ❤❤
If only you offered "Emotion Control" for when I'm lucky enough to happen across a new InCamera video without expecting it! 😅 You guys ROCK!🤘😎
The quality of the work and educational filmmaking you share on TH-cam always blows my mind. You deserve a trillion subscribers!
this channel is so unbelievably underrated I don't understand how you don't have millions of subs yet
That'll be the algorythm. And we suck at thumbnails... clickbait titles... broad appeal yada yada yada 😂
Excellent discussion about moco. You’re doing such a service for the community of spfx artists. Truly appreciate the two of you and thank you for the inspiration. Off I go to put the finishing touches on my launchpad miniature. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
dang, I love moving and controlling, but at the same time??? whaaaaaa!!! this sounds like my kind of camera set up!
Man your Channel is so underrated but the content is so good.
I Share this for Sure 💯
Wish i had 10% of your Gear and Studio space 💯
Greetings from Germany 🙌
Love the channel guys!
these guys are the future, stories are so much more interesting told with practical effects and techniques
Awesome Lancaster, can't wait to see more!!
we need more episodes like this!
Thank you for including my build in your video! Your channel is a huge inspiration for me :)
Amazing information! And we even got a cheeky kiss at the end! Well done, guys 👍
How crazy, I was thinking about InCamera all day coincidentally and ironically, last week I shot my first motion control music video. Now I can't wait to get home to watch this video!!
Wow! Bit strange pausing the video and seeing my own name on the facebook page!
Awesome video!
This is so incredibly cool. Great job at building that model mover yourself!
Absolutely love what you guys are doing and all the helpful information you’re providing the community. Lots of ideas from this video. Keep it up!
This is exactly the kind of video I've been looking for. Thank you! I've got a full Edelkrone setup, and you're right. There are only so many axes you can control. It's designed around the idea of simplifying complex camera moves, but doesn't include moving a prop or a light (although there are ways you can sort of fudge it).
I also have the RGKit Play motion control system which is designed around creating motion for props and displays, as well as limited camera motion (their system only supports five motors so you need to pick and choose).
I would love these systems to talk to one another (as well as my old Cinetics moco motors). I thought Dragonframe would offer that, and it does... kind of. I was hoping all of this could be orchestrated for real time moves, but it appears that it can only move all these motors in a shoot-move-shoot scheme. I'm not complaining - that's an amazing ability. I realize that the streamlining of the Edelkrone and the RGKit Play systems to be ready-to-run is going to limit options. There's still a lot of work I can do with both systems before making the jump into a higher end system that's going to take more oomph to get going.
I hope I'm wrong, and there's some brilliant way to get all this gear to play nice for real time shots. This channel has been very inspiring to get me to push past those limits and try new things - thigns I've been wanting to try for 30 years. :) Thanks for that, and keep up the superlative work!
Great stuff as always. Could you let us know where to find those Nema vertical actuators?
JP is doing amazing stuff again!
very interesting
Love how you guys put this video together! Super valuable info 👏
Great video as always, guys! I have a really old Kessler motion control slider system, but it really doesn't do great with repeatable motion. This has certainly made me want to dive in and look for something newer and better.
Great video video as always. You explain things so well 👍🏽
I was working on making 3d printed parts of something just like this.
I really love the stuff you guys put out, didn't realize DragonFrame had a 32 channel control box that's pretty fantastic. It's definitely got me wondering what I could get up to at my budget range, which is surely a lot lower to the ground than yours. Thanks for this! Love the 3 axis actuator platform especially that thing looks like a blast
I would like to see you guys tackle some DIY puppeteering and CGI , like the stuff they did for the animals in His Dark Materials.
Oooh yes.
I think I'll try making one with Lego NXT some day. Low quality, but cost and effort are also low.
Love your content guys
On the Kessler motors, did you set the “Steps Per Unit” to 200/“rot” on each motor axis? It was something that was left out of the tutorial and really helps the motors perform correctly with Df.
That's great to know. In the end we found doing a hard reset of all motors and connecting the rail motor to DF first solved the problem! A weird solution so it's good to know there's a particular setting that might be the best answer. Thanks! 👍
This guys's like the Dr Strange of Cinema production.
Cool video & hello, we're new and integrate into dragon frame FYI :D
Emotimo is also dragonframe compatible.
Toppp work !!!
Excellent!
Have you guys had trouble finding a computer that’ll connect via USB to your Cineshooter head? I have 3 Macs and only 1 will mount the Cineshooter on the desktop. Makes Dragonframe use a bit of a pain as it’s the most expensive and powerful Mac Studio that’s required for it even though a Mac Mini would have been adequate. That aside, I love the enthusiasm and verve you guys have. Ben
yea, been dipping my toes into the world of Unreal engine for both video and stage production, there are so many possibilities its hard to find what path to take
Thanks for the video
Oh, I just want to animate that cockpit crew just a little bit!
Hear you there! Certainly an option down the line
Oooh! I see a landspanker bomber! Lovely! I do hope you're going to pay attention to what they sound like, cos, generic multiprop willn't work. The called them engines Merlins cos they sound magic. Probably. Well, after the bird, really, I'd guess, but quadrumerlins is the sound god had in mind when he made the world. In the story, anyhoo.
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You set it on fire?! That's treason! Sedition! People who set fire to landspankers are the baddies! I am appalled! No, worse than that, I am THE palled!
On the other hand, loads of cool robots....
I'm kinda thinking that modelling work is going to come back in style in a big way - just one of the reasons I'm subbed, because, I reckon, it's taken twenty five years or so for 'The Industry' to work out CGI is just a tool and like all tools it is amazingly specific in what it should be used for. Hollywood's quarter billion movie picture shows seem to cost that much mainly because they are forcing CGI to do things other options would be better for. Pretty sure I could give you guys, say, two million squid and a more or less decent script and you could pop out a decent 90 minute picture. if you have a heist, a car chase, some cool gun fights, a snarky lead and one or two femmes fatal and, given the state of cinema today, you'd make a fricken fortune.
I can't give you guys two million squid, obviously, I'd have trouble giving you guys two pints. Just wanna make that clear. I mean hypothetically. Possibly hypnothetically. Soon as I stop writing this I have to go back to work.
here i am trying to find a parallax slider that does 1 run over a period of 30 days.
Is that the HK Models Lancaster?
We think so. We didn't build this one but we know it was the largest available off-the-shelf!
did you say that the pine 2 can daisy chain together?
I'm interested in doing a whole diy camera rig and mover, would it help if its just all diy with the dragonframe box? Thanks! Would go motion be possible? Thanks!
All DIY can definitely work, and DF offers 'go-motiin' 👍
Just be aware that if you're shooting anything on blue/green screen it's safer to shoot without go-motion as the blur it creates makes keying very difficult. You can always add blur in post if this is the case.
@@InCameraTV Thank you!
im amazed how little views this video has.
What you are doing is not too far off from what Stanley Kubrick did in "2001: A Space Odyssey" Except, they use stepper Motors AND SIMPLE TIMERS to get their shots.
any insights why no one has made an "off the shelf" model mover yet?
We'd guess because off the shelf means mass production on some level, and these days there probably just isn't the demand
@@InCameraTV suppose so. I do wonder what the unit cost would be for a small rocker mover (like what ILM used a lot, thinking the BTTF Time train rig as an example, only smaller in scale) attached to a turntable. I wonder if such a product would encourage more small scale miniature use, though admittedly for all I know that could be a 15k usd minimum product depending on its weight capacity and move speed. Maybe more. Alas.