It really upsets me that there’s elitism when it comes to CRTs too. I’ve had people call me incredibly rude things for not wanting composite or rgb or svideo. I’m just in the market for a crt, I’m getting a shit old tv with shitty image quality to hide how shit the n64 looks. I can definitely appreciate a clean Sony PVM and the huge trinis, but I’m not going to judge someone for wanting that and not being willing to settle for rca. At this point with the way the resale market is going I’m going to have to settle for rf (which again, would do a great job of making the n64 look “better”) Edit: also great video. You were randomly suggested for me so glad I clicked.
see this is what I’ve heard! Apparently if the tv is right and you get decent cables, it can approach composite. I’m actually going to be (possibly) grabbing an rf set in a couple of days as a little Christmas/birthday treat so I’m hoping it’ll make the n64 look real nice even if it’s fuzzy as hell.
@@microfighterzIt depends on where you live. If you live in a rural area without much radio interference, RF is definitely a passable option. There's still a lot of color bleed and you could def get a better picture out of the tube, but it's all preference based. I like a little color bleed.
I got a Framemeister for about $275 right after the RetroTink 5X came out, and I think it was worth every penny at that price. It's just a fantastic solution for playing 8-bit hardware on an 85-inch flatscreen, lol.
I used to have the same opinion of flash carts until I found two Sega Genesis consoles next to a dumpster and wanted to play them for as cheaply as possible. $10 for a used Everdrive later, and I've been confused playing Phantasy Star for the Master System and strange Sonic 1 ROM hacks ever since.
I'd rather just get a flashcart or a modded system and just use the og system on my CRT. Don't care about using the original games, but the hardware is fascinating to me and I think it's a better looking and feeling experience then emulation in my cases.
Whats your stance on repros too? I've got a few repro Neo Geo carts, they're still not cheap, but I'm not stupid enough to spend $18,000 on a golf game! (You could buy a really nice used Tesla for that price!) But flash carts are really for people who want to experience games on original hardware, without having to spend the exorbitant fees some rarer/popular games command now. Also, have you tried any light gun games on your new TV yet? Those must be awesom!
If you buy one knowing its a reproduction, theres nothing wrong with that. My problem with them is that I personally dont like collecting them, but over time, im noticing more and more that managed to slip through the cracks. Pokémon Sapphire, the first Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart 64, and Mario Party 1 to name a few, but the worst case is Super Mario Advance 2. I got it 6 years ago on eBay and put hundreds of hours into it only to find out later on it was a fake. I've since gotten a real copy, but im reluctant to give up my old one just because it has sentimental value now. So yeah, I'm not a fan, but if that's all some people can get their hands on, I say have at it. They're really no less "pure" than using an everdrive.
As far as flash carts go It's more or less a matter of just wanting to play on real hardware. Granted I've never used a flash cart outside of the Satiator.
To be fair playing these games on a HD crt like the one you have is deinterlacing and upsclaing the image too. So you can also argue that its inauthentic and not all that different to playing them via an upscaler.
I play on my 1988 RCA colortrak console TV that I got free on marketplace. Lucky to have AV and stereo. That being said if you wanna play games on a shitbox chrome book through a web emulator then feel free to play games however you would like. Even my set up, people would hate. Despite it being a more authentic experience for 80s and 90s games than a security reference monitor 😂
Space is at a premium for me, so I kinda have to use a skinny TV with an upscaler. I've gone so deep down that rabbit hole anyway, so can't exactly go back.
CRTs below 100hz are garbage with their strobe effect and those with 100hz still emit a high pitched noise and are way too large, I was happy to get rid of them. I do get nostalgia* and own some original hardware, but I am fortunate enough to have a 15" small 1st gen 4:3 analogue Toshiba TV salvaged. Otherwise I just emulate, on PC and Anbernics FTW. *I agree on the SD card cartridges for that reason, it removes the sensation of moving around physical media
This is a series of oddly elitist takes on video games for a video that then goes on to say that elitism in video games is wrong. I don't think I've ever spoken to a person who can't see the value of using an Everdrive.
The problem is if didn't start collecting these games in late 00s early 10s, you're cooked unless you got a lot of money. Consoles are even overpriced, you will have to deal beat up one to the ground to find a good deal.
I personally enjoy playing older stuff on the original hardware on my CRT. The games themselves just get too expensive sometimes, so in those cases I’ll take the flashcart/ode route there.
Given your large library of cartridge games, I think the Cyber Gadget Retro Freak is a better option than the Hyperkin Retron 5. It is more reliable and even lets you backup the ROMs to SD card. I have used a Framemeister, but I there is no one size fits all setting and most profiles online are geared for NTSC players, not PAL players. My current setup uses an OSSC and a cheap SCART to HDMI for anything interlaced or switching resolutions. I'll never understand all the winging some people have about lag. If you seriously can't play anything with more than 1 frame of lag, I've no idea how you are able to play a modern PlayStation or Xbox console.
That tv seems to "process" 15khz signals. Probably decent with 480i in getting rid of the interlace effect, but personally I think it makes 240p worse (for consoles up to around ps1 era). You lose the scanlines (which can add nice texture to low res), introduce lag, and there's something a little wobbly/blurry in the final image. Those tv's shine with dvd and later gen consoles (7th gen 480p+ especially). That pvm looked like you had composite plugged into it. Oddly enough, because pvms are so high end they can actually make composite look much worse, as the noisy signal isn't blurred/blended enough. You'd really want svid or rgb/component on a pvm. Or instead a consumer 14", like you got. Ironically, and I know you said it tongue in cheek, but "it's a Trinitron and that's all that matters" is a bit of the elitism going around. Some excellent sets are overlooked because of the Trinitron hype. I got rid of most of my Trinitrons. I probably sound "elitist", but hoping I can be considered an "enthusiast".
I actually would not recommend playing retro games on the switch if you have other options. The system just doesn't have the same level of quality as the community made emulators and lacks things like crt filters which allow you to bring out the intended look of the game on modern displays. Granted, this is kinda only accessible to people with an xbox or pc or mac or smartphone. So if you're in a pinch, the switch is OK, I guess. The subscription fees is another issue I have with it, tbh.
I actually did have a cold while recording the audio for this. Sorry if it's not the best.
i like this. talks in detail. doesnt clutter the video with too many jokes, but when he does they are funny.
Yo Choopie choops is a fan
It really upsets me that there’s elitism when it comes to CRTs too. I’ve had people call me incredibly rude things for not wanting composite or rgb or svideo. I’m just in the market for a crt, I’m getting a shit old tv with shitty image quality to hide how shit the n64 looks. I can definitely appreciate a clean Sony PVM and the huge trinis, but I’m not going to judge someone for wanting that and not being willing to settle for rca.
At this point with the way the resale market is going I’m going to have to settle for rf (which again, would do a great job of making the n64 look “better”)
Edit: also great video. You were randomly suggested for me so glad I clicked.
RF looks surprisingly good with the right kind of TV, but no one ever talks about it
see this is what I’ve heard! Apparently if the tv is right and you get decent cables, it can approach composite. I’m actually going to be (possibly) grabbing an rf set in a couple of days as a little Christmas/birthday treat so I’m hoping it’ll make the n64 look real nice even if it’s fuzzy as hell.
What's most important is that you enjoy the games the way you want to enjoy them. It's not like RGB is indicative of the true 90s experience, anyways.
@@microfighterzIt depends on where you live. If you live in a rural area without much radio interference, RF is definitely a passable option. There's still a lot of color bleed and you could def get a better picture out of the tube, but it's all preference based. I like a little color bleed.
I got a Framemeister for about $275 right after the RetroTink 5X came out, and I think it was worth every penny at that price. It's just a fantastic solution for playing 8-bit hardware on an 85-inch flatscreen, lol.
I used to have the same opinion of flash carts until I found two Sega Genesis consoles next to a dumpster and wanted to play them for as cheaply as possible. $10 for a used Everdrive later, and I've been confused playing Phantasy Star for the Master System and strange Sonic 1 ROM hacks ever since.
I'd rather just get a flashcart or a modded system and just use the og system on my CRT. Don't care about using the original games, but the hardware is fascinating to me and I think it's a better looking and feeling experience then emulation in my cases.
Whats your stance on repros too? I've got a few repro Neo Geo carts, they're still not cheap, but I'm not stupid enough to spend $18,000 on a golf game! (You could buy a really nice used Tesla for that price!)
But flash carts are really for people who want to experience games on original hardware, without having to spend the exorbitant fees some rarer/popular games command now.
Also, have you tried any light gun games on your new TV yet? Those must be awesom!
If you buy one knowing its a reproduction, theres nothing wrong with that. My problem with them is that I personally dont like collecting them, but over time, im noticing more and more that managed to slip through the cracks. Pokémon Sapphire, the first Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart 64, and Mario Party 1 to name a few, but the worst case is Super Mario Advance 2. I got it 6 years ago on eBay and put hundreds of hours into it only to find out later on it was a fake. I've since gotten a real copy, but im reluctant to give up my old one just because it has sentimental value now. So yeah, I'm not a fan, but if that's all some people can get their hands on, I say have at it. They're really no less "pure" than using an everdrive.
As for the light gun, I havent. They work on all CRTs though, but now I'm thinking that tiny bit of lag might be enough to make it not work
@@cmos85 theres also issues like disc rot to take into consideration, so it may be impossible to play some original games in the future.
@@cmos85 Well, there's only one way to find out :)
As far as flash carts go It's more or less a matter of just wanting to play on real hardware. Granted I've never used a flash cart outside of the Satiator.
In Australia it's pronounced "Weega," as in "SEAga MEga Drive."
Yep. Ive seen James Channel lately
Hype
To be fair playing these games on a HD crt like the one you have is deinterlacing and upsclaing the image too. So you can also argue that its inauthentic and not all that different to playing them via an upscaler.
I play on my 1988 RCA colortrak console TV that I got free on marketplace. Lucky to have AV and stereo. That being said if you wanna play games on a shitbox chrome book through a web emulator then feel free to play games however you would like. Even my set up, people would hate. Despite it being a more authentic experience for 80s and 90s games than a security reference monitor 😂
I have a crt for my 1980-2003 consoles and a early full HD TV for the 2004-2010 consoles.
Space is at a premium for me, so I kinda have to use a skinny TV with an upscaler. I've gone so deep down that rabbit hole anyway, so can't exactly go back.
3:53 I‘m very glad that we in europe got RGB Scart even on cheap TVs
1:43 You could do ASMR with that controller. Very tactile!
Great video bud
Thanks!
CRTs below 100hz are garbage with their strobe effect and those with 100hz still emit a high pitched noise and are way too large, I was happy to get rid of them. I do get nostalgia* and own some original hardware, but I am fortunate enough to have a 15" small 1st gen 4:3 analogue Toshiba TV salvaged. Otherwise I just emulate, on PC and Anbernics FTW. *I agree on the SD card cartridges for that reason, it removes the sensation of moving around physical media
This is a series of oddly elitist takes on video games for a video that then goes on to say that elitism in video games is wrong. I don't think I've ever spoken to a person who can't see the value of using an Everdrive.
love the new intro!!
Thanks! It took a really long time to get it to look right, but im happy with it
The problem is if didn't start collecting these games in late 00s early 10s, you're cooked unless you got a lot of money.
Consoles are even overpriced, you will have to deal beat up one to the ground to find a good deal.
Unless you know where to look
@@cmos85Where? 🤔
I personally enjoy playing older stuff on the original hardware on my CRT. The games themselves just get too expensive sometimes, so in those cases I’ll take the flashcart/ode route there.
Clicked on the video thinking it was going to be about bashing people who take their retro gaming too far.
And I got the opposite. Lol
Ive been on both sides
Wouldn't mind having an HD CRT myself, I think the lag from 240p systems is eliminated if you get a scaler or MiSTer and scale the signal to 540p
Good stuff man! Subbed!
Given your large library of cartridge games, I think the Cyber Gadget Retro Freak is a better option than the Hyperkin Retron 5. It is more reliable and even lets you backup the ROMs to SD card. I have used a Framemeister, but I there is no one size fits all setting and most profiles online are geared for NTSC players, not PAL players. My current setup uses an OSSC and a cheap SCART to HDMI for anything interlaced or switching resolutions. I'll never understand all the winging some people have about lag. If you seriously can't play anything with more than 1 frame of lag, I've no idea how you are able to play a modern PlayStation or Xbox console.
A bit of lag isnt a problem with most games, but its mostly noticeable when playing the 2D mario games
I love flashcarts, especially since most retro games nowadays are dumb expensive.
You just got a sub.
That tv seems to "process" 15khz signals. Probably decent with 480i in getting rid of the interlace effect, but personally I think it makes 240p worse (for consoles up to around ps1 era). You lose the scanlines (which can add nice texture to low res), introduce lag, and there's something a little wobbly/blurry in the final image. Those tv's shine with dvd and later gen consoles (7th gen 480p+ especially). That pvm looked like you had composite plugged into it. Oddly enough, because pvms are so high end they can actually make composite look much worse, as the noisy signal isn't blurred/blended enough. You'd really want svid or rgb/component on a pvm. Or instead a consumer 14", like you got. Ironically, and I know you said it tongue in cheek, but "it's a Trinitron and that's all that matters" is a bit of the elitism going around. Some excellent sets are overlooked because of the Trinitron hype. I got rid of most of my Trinitrons. I probably sound "elitist", but hoping I can be considered an "enthusiast".
I actually would not recommend playing retro games on the switch if you have other options. The system just doesn't have the same level of quality as the community made emulators and lacks things like crt filters which allow you to bring out the intended look of the game on modern displays. Granted, this is kinda only accessible to people with an xbox or pc or mac or smartphone. So if you're in a pinch, the switch is OK, I guess. The subscription fees is another issue I have with it, tbh.
6:23 - would you pay over 9000 USD for some games?
The most I've ever spent on a game is $300
@@cmos85 , facepalm.bin 🤡
Everdrive is cheaper.
@@ButcherGrindslami mostly paid for the box. Super Mario Bros is a cheap game