When to start introducing swing timer to yourself? When you're levelling and just got your hands on thrash blade. Gives you enough time to get used to it so you can do it without thinking about it as much later on
Ideally you ss/backstab/evis 0.5 seconds into the swing because of the 0.5 internal cool down on windfury. This way your auto and ss can proc windfury. This pretty much only applies to sword rogues because of the short swing times on daggers. Just a small minmax, probably not worth trying for most people.
I’ve been told eviscerate is a spell and not a melee ability like SS per say so will not reset your swing. Therefore you can just spam it as your approaching 35 energy.
@@ClassicRoguecraft I think feint can also reset it then because it can trigger weapon skills. Ideally you won't use feint, but something to consider if it does.
I have a weak aura that procs as soon as I have enough energy for a sinister strike and my swing timer resets. Is that reliable or would you recommend just straight up swing timing? Orc rogue combat swords here.
Hey very nice video. I love your swing timer, but i am looking also for your combo points and energy tick. But without the rest. I try to find it but can. Is there a way to get just that ?
It’s all listed in my UI page if you want to copy those. Combo pts only comes with redtuzk Ui though so you may want a different combo pts bar if you’re not interested in swapping main UI
Horde Sword rogue here: how about swing timing when you have adrenaline rush up? or fighting vael? Should i wait for the swings oder spam SS constantly to not lose energy?
vael is special case - don't swing time there because you need to use every global cooldown to spam backstab (you should use a decent dagger on vael typically, even as sword rogue). For AR sword rogues can usually swing time okay there. Dagger rogues are usually the ones who worry more about timing during AR due to backstab needing to wait for 60+ energy, which puts them closer to cap.
Sno, when the swing timer resets due to “Sword Spec, Windfury, or HoJ”, doesn’t this mean the proc makes the auto attack instantly finished, and then it resets for the “extra attack” mechanic. Because if what you say is true, and these procs only interrupt your swing timer, then what the heck is the point for any of these procs? From your description it sounds like these are only downsides. From my understanding and I’ve witnessed this. If I’m halfway through a swing and I get any “extra attack proc”, it finishes my swing nearly instantly giving me a technically “finishing my auto atk swing” and then resetting so that a new auto attack swing can begin. Can you clarify?
@@ClassicRoguecraft Then there is no point to any talents like Sword Spec (Rogue), Sword Spec (Warrior), HoJ? I guess it's possible that the auto attack lands, but I'm not so sure this is true. Because in PVP when I've watched HoJ/Sword Spec (warrior) interaction, I've landed way too many hits in short time frame for the auto-attack to have not gone through and merely been a swing timer reset. If it is true that it's only a swing timer reset, what is the point to any of said abilities or HoJ trinket? I can't outright dispute what you say, but it makes too little sense as it would render said things completely useless. I think what you mean to say is that HoJ/Sword Spec finishes what's left of the swing quickly, and then resets the swing timer.
@@paradigmshift7541 it doesn't make them useless. They are still a dps gain even if they interrupt a swing. That's the entire point of swing timing, to minimise the impact the swing interrupt does to your swings so that you gain the most amount of dps from sword spec procs/windfury.
would make sense though because at least my swing timer doesn't reset when i use something like Sinister Strike for example. Still would like to know if this is the case
@@ClassicRoguecraft could you do a guide of the route? know it might be a bit stupid but guess its very useful for beginners practice on rotation etc.. never found how to do it lol
so this guy says at the beginning of the swing...and at the end...and at the beginning...and at the end. Does he even know what he is talking about? which one is it? beginning or end of bar?
@@Whydyoudothis yep it's broken - weakauras get confused with swing reset triggers still. If you check the actual logs and look at your character you still swing without being reset.
what MMA said basically, vael is fight where your main prio basically is not wasting GCDs, thus the blade flurry pre-pop and lip opener, trying to time swings in the end will amount to a few GCDs lost, i doubt in any scenario that few lost AAs outweight the backstabs
@snow bro I think you’re tweaking when you say tanks don’t need their t3 and it’s just bc they’re trying to live the past, you’re totally fucking wrong. After last night and my guild went 7/15 which is decent. Tanks and warriors def need their t3
? how does worse gear help your tanks there unless they're undergeared. There are better sets than t3 for tanking unless you're going full mitigation which you don't really do.
@@ClassicRoguecraft bc dude unless you’re a top guild doing it for months or alliance with paladins, the tanks are eating so much dmg that they die right away and then you cant do shit, yeah in the end of things when EVERYONE in the raid has t3 as well, yeah warriors and tanks do not need the t3 set I agree with you on that, but you’re absolutely wrong about other classes getting it first esp when tanks are getting clapped left and right, wait are they supposed to pull out more tanking gear along with dps gear and see which boss keeps one shotting them faster, when you can just get them t3 right away... more then just a “I had it in the past so I want it now” no it’s more then that bc I’m sure your guild will be fine but there’s not that many guilds like yours that can sustain the dmg you’re guild can take. I think your videos are good but when you said warriors don’t need t3 I thought you were right but it’s not that way at all and definitely not in the beginning of phase 6
@@mikehdhavs630 I don't think you realize most tanks don't want to use t3 for tanking outside of maybe 2 piece. There is better tanking mix sets from pre p6 gear. It's good as catch up gear if your tanks are new but if they raided aq+bwl they have better/equivalent pieces for tanking.
When to start introducing swing timer to yourself?
When you're levelling and just got your hands on thrash blade.
Gives you enough time to get used to it so you can do it without thinking about it as much later on
Does this apply in TBC as well?
Ideally you ss/backstab/evis 0.5 seconds into the swing because of the 0.5 internal cool down on windfury. This way your auto and ss can proc windfury. This pretty much only applies to sword rogues because of the short swing times on daggers. Just a small minmax, probably not worth trying for most people.
does this count anymore without batching?
I’ve been told eviscerate is a spell and not a melee ability like SS per say so will not reset your swing. Therefore you can just spam it as your approaching 35 energy.
It’s physical school if you check wowhead. Snd is the one that doesn’t trigger resets because it doesn’t attack the mob, but evis does
@@ClassicRoguecraft I think feint can also reset it then because it can trigger weapon skills. Ideally you won't use feint, but something to consider if it does.
@@ClassicRoguecraft cool cool thanks for the clarification
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I have a weak aura that procs as soon as I have enough energy for a sinister strike and my swing timer resets. Is that reliable or would you recommend just straight up swing timing? Orc rogue combat swords here.
that one is fine, although i'd recommend a swing timer regardless - it's more reliable and easier to get the rhythm for timing it that way.
@@ClassicRoguecraft thanks sno! Great video btw
Hey
very nice video. I love your swing timer, but i am looking also for your combo points and energy tick. But without the rest.
I try to find it but can. Is there a way to get just that ?
It’s all listed in my UI page if you want to copy those. Combo pts only comes with redtuzk Ui though so you may want a different combo pts bar if you’re not interested in swapping main UI
Horde Sword rogue here: how about swing timing when you have adrenaline rush up? or fighting vael? Should i wait for the swings oder spam SS constantly to not lose energy?
on vael you should be backstabbing with a dagger even if you're sword spec
vael is special case - don't swing time there because you need to use every global cooldown to spam backstab (you should use a decent dagger on vael typically, even as sword rogue).
For AR sword rogues can usually swing time okay there. Dagger rogues are usually the ones who worry more about timing during AR due to backstab needing to wait for 60+ energy, which puts them closer to cap.
@@ClassicRoguecraft thanks for the Response, makes sense
Do you have a preference of a particular swing timer?
I use the one linked in my UI guide
@@ClassicRoguecraft thanks!!
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Sno, when the swing timer resets due to “Sword Spec, Windfury, or HoJ”, doesn’t this mean the proc makes the auto attack instantly finished, and then it resets for the “extra attack” mechanic. Because if what you say is true, and these procs only interrupt your swing timer, then what the heck is the point for any of these procs? From your description it sounds like these are only downsides. From my understanding and I’ve witnessed this. If I’m halfway through a swing and I get any “extra attack proc”, it finishes my swing nearly instantly giving me a technically “finishing my auto atk swing” and then resetting so that a new auto attack swing can begin. Can you clarify?
Your auto attack doesn't finish. When the swing timer resets your auto attack is interrupted meaning you get no damage from that auto.
@@ClassicRoguecraft Then there is no point to any talents like Sword Spec (Rogue), Sword Spec (Warrior), HoJ? I guess it's possible that the auto attack lands, but I'm not so sure this is true. Because in PVP when I've watched HoJ/Sword Spec (warrior) interaction, I've landed way too many hits in short time frame for the auto-attack to have not gone through and merely been a swing timer reset. If it is true that it's only a swing timer reset, what is the point to any of said abilities or HoJ trinket? I can't outright dispute what you say, but it makes too little sense as it would render said things completely useless. I think what you mean to say is that HoJ/Sword Spec finishes what's left of the swing quickly, and then resets the swing timer.
@@paradigmshift7541 it doesn't make them useless. They are still a dps gain even if they interrupt a swing. That's the entire point of swing timing, to minimise the impact the swing interrupt does to your swings so that you gain the most amount of dps from sword spec procs/windfury.
That intro was awesome!! lol
Does slice & dice and blade fury stack ?
They will increase your attack speed even further if you use then at the same time, yes
No need to pay attention to the off hand right?
correct
A streamer mentioned last night this was not a thing in Classic TBC. Is this true?
would make sense though because at least my swing timer doesn't reset when i use something like Sinister Strike for example. Still would like to know if this is the case
how to get to gordok spirit?
Rogues can stealth past if they know the route, and sap blind to open the last door
@@ClassicRoguecraft could you do a guide of the route? know it might be a bit stupid but guess its very useful for beginners practice on rotation etc.. never found how to do it lol
What’s the swing timer addon
it's simple swing timer, linked in description
What about maces for horde, specifically two ebon hand? Would that fall in with swords or even more dps? With timing swings
I play Nelf dagger rogue and i allways use swingtimer :P
so this guy says at the beginning of the swing...and at the end...and at the beginning...and at the end. Does he even know what he is talking about? which one is it? beginning or end of bar?
Great intro! Keep it up
Is this still relevant in TBC?
nah swing timing isn't needed in tbc - your swing timer doesn't get reset
@@ClassicRoguecraft when using swing timer it 100% shows resets on WF/sword procs
Are you saying my weak aura is broke?
@@Whydyoudothis yep it's broken - weakauras get confused with swing reset triggers still. If you check the actual logs and look at your character you still swing without being reset.
I'm suprised the dps increase on Alliance swords isn't more for swing timing, as 20% chance to proc off ss and eviserate is strong
Should i pay attention to my Swing Timer at vael as human sword rog ?
use a dagger in MH and backstab spam/ 5 point evis. I use a Perd's for Vael
@@MMA-mh9uv okay nice i have perd blade too will try it ty
what MMA said basically, vael is fight where your main prio basically is not wasting GCDs, thus the blade flurry pre-pop and lip opener, trying to time swings in the end will amount to a few GCDs lost, i doubt in any scenario that few lost AAs outweight the backstabs
no
@snow bro I think you’re tweaking when you say tanks don’t need their t3 and it’s just bc they’re trying to live the past, you’re totally fucking wrong. After last night and my guild went 7/15 which is decent. Tanks and warriors def need their t3
? how does worse gear help your tanks there unless they're undergeared. There are better sets than t3 for tanking unless you're going full mitigation which you don't really do.
@@ClassicRoguecraft bc dude unless you’re a top guild doing it for months or alliance with paladins, the tanks are eating so much dmg that they die right away and then you cant do shit, yeah in the end of things when EVERYONE in the raid has t3 as well, yeah warriors and tanks do not need the t3 set I agree with you on that, but you’re absolutely wrong about other classes getting it first esp when tanks are getting clapped left and right, wait are they supposed to pull out more tanking gear along with dps gear and see which boss keeps one shotting them faster, when you can just get them t3 right away... more then just a “I had it in the past so I want it now” no it’s more then that bc I’m sure your guild will be fine but there’s not that many guilds like yours that can sustain the dmg you’re guild can take. I think your videos are good but when you said warriors don’t need t3 I thought you were right but it’s not that way at all and definitely not in the beginning of phase 6
@@mikehdhavs630 I don't think you realize most tanks don't want to use t3 for tanking outside of maybe 2 piece. There is better tanking mix sets from pre p6 gear.
It's good as catch up gear if your tanks are new but if they raided aq+bwl they have better/equivalent pieces for tanking.
Too late?
140 ping must suck in pvp... i play with 16
this seems like way to much to improve a bit of dps lmao
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