Honestly I think the Philosophical question of "Can a Evil man regret everything he does, if so, what will he do to redeem himself?" Is honestly the most interesting thing about this quest. That was the most interesting part of this quest for me, because Joshua CLEARLY regrets everything he did, he's trying to redeem himself... by killing himself. But is that right?
Idk if I understood the quest correctly or remember correctly but I don't think he died thinking that it'd redeem him and cancel out his sins. Not like "I did wrong so I'll kill myself to pay for it". If I remember correctly, he said something like this world is full of violence and hatred, there are killings in every street... people have forgotten that love exists and what love actually is, and by doing this crucification, he wants to tell the world and make them realise, that love still does exists....and people should love and spread love and not hatred, and thus he wanted to do something good, something along those lines? And I heard/read somewhere long time ago that you're already partially redeemed when you realise that you've done wrong and truly regret what you've done. And maybe that the next step is to do more good from now on, become a better person. I mean, that makes sense, what has been done in the past has been done. You cannot change it by giving 'punishment' to the sinner, or in this case... yourself. It would be a waste because it doesn't change anything that has happened. Instead you're punishing a person who has already realised his mistake and is a good person now. I may be wrong here but I believe it's not completely the sinner's fault if he does wrong things. After all, what has happened to us up until here, how we are raised, how the world around us behaves is what makes us...US. I believe a person raised in a good family and area, taught manners and understanding about what is wrong and what is right, and who also knows what pain, sorrow and suffering is, who has knowledge of things, and who understands the value of things would not want to do wrong.... whereas the same person if born in a poor family where his father is an abusive alcoholic, who has been used his whole life, who has only seen pain and suffering, who has to steal bread everyday just to survive could turn out to be a completely different person. We are always controlled by external factors and our conditions. I once heard a line somewhere which was something like, "a criminal is a person the society hasn't raised right". Ironically, it was from a radio in Grand Theft Auto V.
@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure Hi, I agree with a lot of what you said. But when I said he was killing himself to redeem himself, I actually meant to those he has wronged, not to god. I say and believe this is the case because it is honestly the underlying narrative of the quest. Move aside the religious nature of the quest and you get a man who's punishing himself for the things he's done, by killing himself, claiming and justifying it by saying "It's what god wants." But in reality, he just can't live in a world where he did all these things. Or at least that was my interpretation and verdict when it came to processing everything that came from this quest.
Played it for the first time yesterday. I was mentally exhausted after that. Amazing story telling and what an amazing soundtrack. I was stumbling through night city for half an hour and I couldn't do anything. My brain was processing... . Simply amazing!
This quest really hits you. My first playthrough with it will never be topped though, the timing of the quests of got after each stage was too perfect. After the first half, with the sobering conversation with his victim's family, I got the call from Judy to come to her apartment almost as soon as I left the restaurant, and when I got there, I was greeted by the site of Ev. I had to turn the game off for a little while after that. To top it off, after I completed the second half, after praying with Joshua and ultimately being the one to nail him to the cross, I walked out of the studio and recieved the call from River as I headed for my car, asking me to help him track down where his nephew might be. That was the second time I had to break. This song really set the mood of the latter half of the quest, and it still gives me the same melancholy. So incredibly well done.
@@mushmonkey15 I couldn't have said that better. This quest completely blew me away. It was so meaningful and had such an impact. Brilliant story telling by CDPR.
ohh thats the fun of the random do the quests at anytime nature of this game. Had something like that happen as well. I did the unmarked mission with the homless guy, that ends with you uncovering an actual conspiracy and that the homless dude outside vics is not actualy crazy. Into the later half of the Coin opperated boy. where you say good bye to Bredon the talking vending machine. Right into the last act of the prelez quest and all the revelations therein. So the conspiracy of some other force controlling the world kind of continued threw three quests. and about 2 hours. @@mushmonkey15
Damn, this quest hit different than the rest of the game for some reason. The lack of humility and humanity from everyone in this quest was disheartening and made this scene worse.
It reminds you that V is not a good person really. He or she. is a very VERY violent person. Willing to do really really horrible things. V and Joshua are not that different. Its very much the same as when chara lifts the veil in undertale and reminds you that you caused all the suffering as the player.
Best quest in the game. From an atheist, the last moment of his crucifixion made me feel something was terribly wrong, even with him being a killer. You could tell he was literally sorry and regretted what he did, and the corpos were exploiting his redention for money. I went quiet, crying a bit, when Johnny bowed his head with a masterpiece of a score. It made me feel different. Whoever came up with this idea is a genius. This could have been a black mirror episode tbh.
I really looked at it from a totally different angle. I'm not religious, and the exploitation of this man's remorse, sending him to the ultimate void in horrifying pain, was fucked up in so many levels that sounded just like history repeating itself, but 57 years from now on.
I literally winced every time I had to use the hammer, but really got to me was at the end, Johnny - the loud mouthed, loveable asshole - just bowing his head in silence and paying his respects. Powerful.
I misted up during this mission, I'm not even going to lie. I chose to sit with him as he prayed (didn't pray myself) and declined nailing him to the cross, though I bore witness. Having to sit there for those two or so minutes after he fell silent made me feel extremely uncomfortable and disturbed, so much so I made my V run from the studio as quickly as I could when I was given back control as if I could outrun this theme. Seeing Johnny stand before the cross with his head bowed, in those rare moments of absolute silence further cemented home the situation. Bravo for the devs for making this such a stark, tasteful yet also horrendous moment.
I did the same thing but stared at cars driving past for awhile then turned my game off... the discomfort I felt really got to me so I just stopped for the day😅
This is one of the best and most philosophical quest I've ever played in any game. There a ton of ideology in this game. And for all the complaining about bugs, ppl should be praising CDPR for the depth of their story telling.
This was my last mission before the final mission. I think it was a good decision to wait for this mission till the end. The best mission in the whole game.
Found the quest quite profound with my Christian beliefs and why I chose to be his friend/executioner throughout the entire quest line. The financial and the exploitative angles were a after thought. Wanted to get his message out their to as many people as possible and carry that burden along side him. 10/10 quest
He's going to do it. Joshua's really going to do it. You're not one to pray. Never were. But V doesn't give you a choice. When he folds his hands, so do you. Try to pull them apart all you want, but it's like they're nailed together. That's how it works. Joshua has another request after the Lord's Prayer. He asks V to accompany him to the cross, drive in the nails. You want to refuse, but V moves your lips for you. And you walk with Joshua, reciting the lines as he stretches his arms out over those of the cross. Your optics show you where the nails are to go. Just behind the wrists, between the radius and ulna, forcing them apart. V does pause for a moment, to look down at his hands. So do you. You can't comprehend the degree of pain this will cause. Neither can V. But V takes the hammer anyway. The first nail touches Joshua's wrist. The skin is soft, the flesh indenting. You can hear Joshua panting, trying to contain his fear. V grits his teeth, and so do you. As the hammer is raised, you remember everything. You remember the war. You remember debauching yourself, debauching others, abusing Alt, losing Alt. You remember the killings, and you remember that you can't even remember how many you've killed. Let alone the excuses you made for each life you took. The hammer descends, and time seems to slow. Maybe the Kerenzikov is malfunctioning. Or maybe it's that you're remembering 2023. That was the year you set off a nuclear bomb in the middle of the Night City skyline. V's hammer is still falling as you see yourself tossing a duffel bag into an open elevator and shooting the cable. You try to flee, but you fall from the helicopter and you're seized by Adam Smasher. The hammer is still falling as you're transported away, staring silently at the skyline -- at Arasaka Tower. Then you see the flash, the detonation. The light of nuclear fire stabs into your eyes. V's hammer finds its mark. Joshua lets out a scream of pain -- unimaginable, mind-shattering pain. Tears spring to V's eyes, and to yours. You want it to stop. You need it to stop. But you're not in control. Your limbs move without your bidding, like you're a puppet on strings, strings threaded through your wrists. The first blow didn't pierce the wood of the cross. And there are more nails to drive into place after this one. V raises the hammer again.
Well, a deep quest. I guessed that the end result of the quest is a dead man anyway, so the most my V could do is to be there and assist to comfort, though her concern was voiced multiple times. A no-quitter gets a no-quitter. And we all die someday..
This quest went to the darkest places ever..my GOD. and how it bait and switchs. you think its a typcal assanation..then the guy who hires you dies leading to THIS.
In my first playthrough i ve shot the cop and totally missed this misson (it was on day1 patch). After 1.5 patch i wanted to replay the whole game and aim for the secret ending. Without my knowledge now i didnt shot the cop and gotten into this mission. It was just soo bizarre to see something like this in Cyberpunk especially since Ive already played through the game once. I never felt this brutally stabbed in the heart as i had to keep hit the nails into his body parts then to watch him on the cross just to die.....I was totally left speechless and i still get goosebumps if i just think of this mission. The atmosphere truly hit the nail.
Even as a staunch atheist, I cringed & winced every time I pounded the nails in. I felt so bad for Joshua, I was on his side the entire time, he genuinely regrets what he did and wants to make amends. The sister of the man he killed said something like "I lost my brother but God gave me another." That hit me in the feels.
Almost every quest in this game guves you ability to alternate someones motives. Not this one. This one and the peralez mystery Both tell you that no matter what you do, how much you do, how hard you try. You cant always change the outcome of predetermined choices and events. Yoru arent a saint. A hero. Or even an omen. Your just as human and mortal as the people your trying to save. And for what?
During my first time doing this quest, I refused to even humor him by watching. That and...well, he was getting crucified. I prayed with him, and that was it. The next time, though, I realized that he was making a sincere effort to make amends, so while I refused to help crucify him, I did stay with him. Still disgusts me--and V, by extension--that people were honestly trying to make eddies off of him, and I was basically helping with that, though.
One of the most polemic quest, but at the same time, its sad and full of pain, like the representation of Jesus ' cruxifition in many movies about the passion.
Understandable. I would disable the photo mode as well as this quest is extremely provocative and I can already see people doing cringy stuff in this scene.
This was the most fucked up quest in the entire game. When I begin I was like, wtf is this? why am I here? What a terrible quest. Then I was like, holy fucking hell I'm shocked.
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Johnny won't stand quietly in reverence for any quest, but when he does, you know it's a banger.
Even he can't help but bow his head for the man who not only stared death in the eye, but embraced it.
Honestly I think the Philosophical question of "Can a Evil man regret everything he does, if so, what will he do to redeem himself?" Is honestly the most interesting thing about this quest.
That was the most interesting part of this quest for me, because Joshua CLEARLY regrets everything he did, he's trying to redeem himself... by killing himself. But is that right?
Idk if I understood the quest correctly or remember correctly but I don't think he died thinking that it'd redeem him and cancel out his sins. Not like "I did wrong so I'll kill myself to pay for it". If I remember correctly, he said something like this world is full of violence and hatred, there are killings in every street... people have forgotten that love exists and what love actually is, and by doing this crucification, he wants to tell the world and make them realise, that love still does exists....and people should love and spread love and not hatred, and thus he wanted to do something good, something along those lines?
And I heard/read somewhere long time ago that you're already partially redeemed when you realise that you've done wrong and truly regret what you've done. And maybe that the next step is to do more good from now on, become a better person.
I mean, that makes sense, what has been done in the past has been done. You cannot change it by giving 'punishment' to the sinner, or in this case... yourself. It would be a waste because it doesn't change anything that has happened. Instead you're punishing a person who has already realised his mistake and is a good person now.
I may be wrong here but I believe it's not completely the sinner's fault if he does wrong things. After all, what has happened to us up until here, how we are raised, how the world around us behaves is what makes us...US. I believe a person raised in a good family and area, taught manners and understanding about what is wrong and what is right, and who also knows what pain, sorrow and suffering is, who has knowledge of things, and who understands the value of things would not want to do wrong.... whereas the same person if born in a poor family where his father is an abusive alcoholic, who has been used his whole life, who has only seen pain and suffering, who has to steal bread everyday just to survive could turn out to be a completely different person. We are always controlled by external factors and our conditions. I once heard a line somewhere which was something like, "a criminal is a person the society hasn't raised right". Ironically, it was from a radio in Grand Theft Auto V.
@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure
Hi, I agree with a lot of what you said.
But when I said he was killing himself to redeem himself, I actually meant to those he has wronged, not to god.
I say and believe this is the case because it is honestly the underlying narrative of the quest.
Move aside the religious nature of the quest and you get a man who's punishing himself for the things he's done, by killing himself, claiming and justifying it by saying "It's what god wants." But in reality, he just can't live in a world where he did all these things.
Or at least that was my interpretation and verdict when it came to processing everything that came from this quest.
Reminds me of the Kill Parthunaax quest and what he says in response: “what’s better? To be born good? Or to overcome your evil through great effort?”
One of the most underrated tracks in the game.
Played it for the first time yesterday. I was mentally exhausted after that. Amazing story telling and what an amazing soundtrack.
I was stumbling through night city for half an hour and I couldn't do anything. My brain was processing... .
Simply amazing!
This quest really hits you. My first playthrough with it will never be topped though, the timing of the quests of got after each stage was too perfect.
After the first half, with the sobering conversation with his victim's family, I got the call from Judy to come to her apartment almost as soon as I left the restaurant, and when I got there, I was greeted by the site of Ev. I had to turn the game off for a little while after that.
To top it off, after I completed the second half, after praying with Joshua and ultimately being the one to nail him to the cross, I walked out of the studio and recieved the call from River as I headed for my car, asking me to help him track down where his nephew might be. That was the second time I had to break.
This song really set the mood of the latter half of the quest, and it still gives me the same melancholy. So incredibly well done.
@@mushmonkey15 I couldn't have said that better. This quest completely blew me away. It was so meaningful and had such an impact. Brilliant story telling by CDPR.
ohh thats the fun of the random do the quests at anytime nature of this game. Had something like that happen as well. I did the unmarked mission with the homless guy, that ends with you uncovering an actual conspiracy and that the homless dude outside vics is not actualy crazy. Into the later half of the Coin opperated boy. where you say good bye to Bredon the talking vending machine. Right into the last act of the prelez quest and all the revelations therein. So the conspiracy of some other force controlling the world kind of continued threw three quests. and about 2 hours. @@mushmonkey15
Damn, this quest hit different than the rest of the game for some reason. The lack of humility and humanity from everyone in this quest was disheartening and made this scene worse.
It reminds you that V is not a good person really. He or she. is a very VERY violent person. Willing to do really really horrible things. V and Joshua are not that different. Its very much the same as when chara lifts the veil in undertale and reminds you that you caused all the suffering as the player.
Best quest in the game. From an atheist, the last moment of his crucifixion made me feel something was terribly wrong, even with him being a killer. You could tell he was literally sorry and regretted what he did, and the corpos were exploiting his redention for money. I went quiet, crying a bit, when Johnny bowed his head with a masterpiece of a score. It made me feel different. Whoever came up with this idea is a genius. This could have been a black mirror episode tbh.
I am no man of god but this touched me.
I am a man of god and this touched me.
Same. Redemption stories and sincere conversions (just to be better and do some good for a change), or at least efforts to do so, are very touching.
I really looked at it from a totally different angle. I'm not religious, and the exploitation of this man's remorse, sending him to the ultimate void in horrifying pain, was fucked up in so many levels that sounded just like history repeating itself, but 57 years from now on.
@@NomadMan31 no one asked you
@@MentalParadox no one asked you either
You know a quest is gonna be something when every bit of dialogue in it gives you the option to stop then and there
This is one of the only moments in the entire game i felt something and went completely quiet... and thats coming from an atheist.
This game is a masterpiece. A true diamond of human created art.
Forgive them father for they know not what they do
This guy is Joseph Seed.
I literally winced every time I had to use the hammer, but really got to me was at the end, Johnny - the loud mouthed, loveable asshole - just bowing his head in silence and paying his respects.
Powerful.
I misted up during this mission, I'm not even going to lie.
I chose to sit with him as he prayed (didn't pray myself) and declined nailing him to the cross, though I bore witness. Having to sit there for those two or so minutes after he fell silent made me feel extremely uncomfortable and disturbed, so much so I made my V run from the studio as quickly as I could when I was given back control as if I could outrun this theme. Seeing Johnny stand before the cross with his head bowed, in those rare moments of absolute silence further cemented home the situation. Bravo for the devs for making this such a stark, tasteful yet also horrendous moment.
nailing him in first person was pretty fucking brutal, makes you feel really bad but that's just great quest design
I did the same thing but stared at cars driving past for awhile then turned my game off... the discomfort I felt really got to me so I just stopped for the day😅
“Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself, and save us…”
This is one of the best and most philosophical quest I've ever played in any game. There a ton of ideology in this game. And for all the complaining about bugs, ppl should be praising CDPR for the depth of their story telling.
Absolutely, my friend! This mission was crazy and so well written. The Soundtrack is so fitting. Simply amazing!
Petition for cdpr too make a futuristic assassins creed style inspired game?
This was my last mission before the final mission. I think it was a good decision to wait for this mission till the end. The best mission in the whole game.
this scene was fucking intense af fr
While i wish the quest had a bit more aftermath definitely an interesting one overall and the music here is haunting.
This was the best mission in the whole game.
Thanks for uploading. Sounds a lot like the "Sea Wall" track from the last blade runner
Love that track.
Sea Wall more like Sea Crawl (its very slow tempo)
@@Spikeelsucko oh wow random alol reply out of nowhere
@@ginosaputosalvatore heheheh hey Z
Found the quest quite profound with my Christian beliefs and why I chose to be his friend/executioner throughout the entire quest line. The financial and the exploitative angles were a after thought. Wanted to get his message out their to as many people as possible and carry that burden along side him. 10/10 quest
He's going to do it. Joshua's really going to do it.
You're not one to pray. Never were. But V doesn't give you a choice. When he folds his hands, so do you. Try to pull them apart all you want, but it's like they're nailed together. That's how it works.
Joshua has another request after the Lord's Prayer. He asks V to accompany him to the cross, drive in the nails. You want to refuse, but V moves your lips for you. And you walk with Joshua, reciting the lines as he stretches his arms out over those of the cross.
Your optics show you where the nails are to go. Just behind the wrists, between the radius and ulna, forcing them apart. V does pause for a moment, to look down at his hands. So do you. You can't comprehend the degree of pain this will cause. Neither can V.
But V takes the hammer anyway.
The first nail touches Joshua's wrist. The skin is soft, the flesh indenting. You can hear Joshua panting, trying to contain his fear. V grits his teeth, and so do you.
As the hammer is raised, you remember everything. You remember the war. You remember debauching yourself, debauching others, abusing Alt, losing Alt. You remember the killings, and you remember that you can't even remember how many you've killed. Let alone the excuses you made for each life you took.
The hammer descends, and time seems to slow. Maybe the Kerenzikov is malfunctioning. Or maybe it's that you're remembering 2023. That was the year you set off a nuclear bomb in the middle of the Night City skyline. V's hammer is still falling as you see yourself tossing a duffel bag into an open elevator and shooting the cable. You try to flee, but you fall from the helicopter and you're seized by Adam Smasher. The hammer is still falling as you're transported away, staring silently at the skyline -- at Arasaka Tower.
Then you see the flash, the detonation. The light of nuclear fire stabs into your eyes. V's hammer finds its mark. Joshua lets out a scream of pain -- unimaginable, mind-shattering pain. Tears spring to V's eyes, and to yours. You want it to stop. You need it to stop.
But you're not in control. Your limbs move without your bidding, like you're a puppet on strings, strings threaded through your wrists. The first blow didn't pierce the wood of the cross. And there are more nails to drive into place after this one.
V raises the hammer again.
That was very well written
That was really good mate, the music really blended well with it.
Fire 🔥
This is too cruel. Even for me.
Just played this for the first time, holy s--- this was insanely well done
This side quest hits differently during lent season. Which was my first experience playing this side quest story.
I always do this quest the moment it pops up as it's just so good
The song name is "The Sacred and The Profane" in the OST. Took me a bit to find it
Paul Leonard-Morgan - The Sacred and the Profane
If anybody was searching the name like i was
hands down the best quest in the game
“We are punished justly, for we receive what our deeds deserve, but this man has done no wrong”-Luke 23:41
Thanks for that, I was looking for this pure piece of art.
Damn, this whole questline is definitely one of the best in any game
I don't really know what I believe in, but this scene hit so different
He is a true rebel
This reminds me of “pay the iron price” from GOT in an eerie way
Well, a deep quest. I guessed that the end result of the quest is a dead man anyway, so the most my V could do is to be there and assist to comfort, though her concern was voiced multiple times. A no-quitter gets a no-quitter. And we all die someday..
Awesome, please upload the music in the Never Fade Away mission (rescuing Alt) the music is awsome!
This one? :) th-cam.com/video/FCdHAlZzHU0/w-d-xo.html
This quest went to the darkest places ever..my GOD. and how it bait and switchs. you think its a typcal assanation..then the guy who hires you dies leading to THIS.
In my first playthrough i ve shot the cop and totally missed this misson (it was on day1 patch). After 1.5 patch i wanted to replay the whole game and aim for the secret ending. Without my knowledge now i didnt shot the cop and gotten into this mission. It was just soo bizarre to see something like this in Cyberpunk especially since Ive already played through the game once. I never felt this brutally stabbed in the heart as i had to keep hit the nails into his body parts then to watch him on the cross just to die.....I was totally left speechless and i still get goosebumps if i just think of this mission. The atmosphere truly hit the nail.
What a game ...what a quest...what a music 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I nailed him to the cross, it’s what he wanted. I watched every minute of it. Death is just the beginning of life we should never be afraid of it.
Even as a staunch atheist, I cringed & winced every time I pounded the nails in. I felt so bad for Joshua, I was on his side the entire time, he genuinely regrets what he did and wants to make amends. The sister of the man he killed said something like "I lost my brother but God gave me another." That hit me in the feels.
Almost every quest in this game guves you ability to alternate someones motives.
Not this one.
This one and the peralez mystery
Both tell you that no matter what you do, how much you do, how hard you try.
You cant always change the outcome of predetermined choices and events.
Yoru arent a saint. A hero. Or even an omen.
Your just as human and mortal as the people your trying to save.
And for what?
was this also used in the scene where lucy escaped the uv where faraday was keeping her hostage?
I prayed with him and all went good.
During my first time doing this quest, I refused to even humor him by watching. That and...well, he was getting crucified. I prayed with him, and that was it. The next time, though, I realized that he was making a sincere effort to make amends, so while I refused to help crucify him, I did stay with him. Still disgusts me--and V, by extension--that people were honestly trying to make eddies off of him, and I was basically helping with that, though.
One of the most polemic quest, but at the same time, its sad and full of pain, like the representation of Jesus ' cruxifition in many movies about the passion.
What a questline. Damn sad.
When I did this level in the game I walked out
i LOVE it!
I found it very interesting that even photo mode gets disabled during this quest...wouldnt want to piss off the church, eh? :p
Noticed that too! You would have thought if they decided to include the quest in the first place they would just embrace it...
Understandable. I would disable the photo mode as well as this quest is extremely provocative and I can already see people doing cringy stuff in this scene.
This was the most fucked up quest in the entire game. When I begin I was like, wtf is this? why am I here? What a terrible quest. Then I was like, holy fucking hell I'm shocked.
"ItS JusT a GaMe"
No, it's also art
Do you have the song that plays when we use the chip to see the plan for the flathead?
this: th-cam.com/video/LCDWARoedpI/w-d-xo.html
What is the name of this track?
It's called "The Sacred and the Profane"
Song name pls?
"The Sacred and the Profane"
So painful to see religious zealots and sadists have won by killing and hurting others like this.
This quest is so hyped.